Francis to Houston!!!

[Moose]

Steve Francis to return to Rockets
Three-time All-Star picks former team over Heat, Mavs and Clippers

Former Rockets guard Steve Francis is about to be future Rockets guard Steve Francis.

Francis chose the Rockets over the Heat, Mavericks and Clippers, his agent Jeff Fried said on Thursday.

"I just hung up with Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager)," Fried said. "He is dealing with facilitating the contract.

"It's a combination of a variety of factors including the fit with the team, a comfortableness with the organization and a familiarity with the surroundings. He has a home in Houston. In so many ways, it has remained his home, despite some interim stops, Orlando and New York.

"For Steve, it's coming home."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4982185.html

Sweet :banana:

[Mr_Basketball#1]

Yeah Boy...Thank you Francis...But its amazing how he is signed to play along side the guy he was traded for...

[A-MATT]

Now we have to trade Rafer and JL3 and we are set

[Moose]

Now we have to trade Rafer and JL3 and we are set

The Rockets are really deep now, damn.

[dejordan]

Yeah Boy...Thank you Francis...But its amazing how he is signed to play along side the guy he was traded for...
yeah, just like when eddie jones went back to miami.

[BankShot]

PG: Steve Francis
SG: Tracy McGrady
SF: Shane Battier
PF: Luis Scola
C: Yao Ming

and my boy Aaron Brooks off the bench...

Sounds like a solid lineup... but will it get them a better seed that #4 in the playoffs? I don't see them being better than Dallas, Phoenix, or San Antonio.

[Hot Shot Rox]

What are we gonna do will all these PGs?!

[B-Low]

YES!!!! Time to bust out my old Francis Rockets jersey lol

[John Starks]

The whole ? with this lineup is with Francis and T-Mac, will they be able to move the ball and work within the offense..or will they over-dribble, over shoot and fail to defend.

smart money - as with all NBA players - is that they will do some of both. whether or not they wins rides on the balance.

[SCREWstonRockets]

OH SHIIIIIII!!!!!!TTTTTTTT! Wow, talk about a dream come true. When we first traded Steve, it really hurt but since T-Mac was much better, I got over it. Since then, I always wished somehow Steve came back but thought it would never be possible. Now, it's reality. This team is fully stacked and can offically hang with high scoring teams like Suns and Mavs. Something weren't able to do.

[Moose]

YES!!!! Time to bust out my old Francis Rockets jersey lol

lol same here :rockon:

[A-MATT]

Finally we get 3 shooting PG's instead of Rafer

[Moose]

Finally we get 3 shooting PG's instead of Rafer

They should trade Rafer Alston back to Miami for a pf.

[Kobe24]

ROFL @ Miami. Steve Blake gone, Mo Williams gone and now Francis. What are their options now?

[A-MATT]

They should trade Rafer Alston back to Miami for a pf.

Or trade him to the Pacers for David Harrison and a 2nd rd pick

[DAXX]

****ing Rockets ehh?

[SCREWstonRockets]

The best thing about this signing is that he really wants to be here. He knows the story, T-Mac and YAO are the focal points. So I highly doubt he's going to come here and demand to be the #1 option. It wasn't the money, he just wanted to come home.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

Miami will be a nonfactor again this season.

[thenextgreatbigman]

Now all they have to do is trade alston for foster and you have a solid team.

[Kobe24]

Damn, I feel bad for Mike. I bet he thought he would be starter.

[DAXX]

Trade proposals.

Get rid of Alston and/or Head for Brian Skinner, and a 2nd rounder.

[dab0yech0]

Cat Mobley must feel dissapointed. He was looking foward to having his pseudo homo moments with him again.

[A-MATT]

Trade proposals.

Get rid of Alston and/or Head for Brian Skinner, and a 2nd rounder.


heck no.

and by the way, i truly believe we can beat the Mavs and Spurs

[ChuckOakley]

I know I didn't get to see much of the guy considering his brief and unproductive stay in NY, but I'm not sure what the hype is about.

Franics was absolutely awful on the Knicks, and not that much better on the Magic. He was unable to do half of what he could have done in the past with the Knicks. I remember early in the season watching him and despite Francis saying he was feeling great and injury free, he went up for a dunk that he whiffed by about a foot. It was rather depressing to see a former dunk contestant, known for his athleticism and rebounding, barely making it off the ground. Maybe he has gained some of that back, but considering his age, injuries and the type of game he used to play I don't think he'll be any better than Mike James this coming season. In other words, I don't think the Rockets really needed him or got any better with this signing.

[GoldNugg21]

Smart move, just because I think Francis is a little underrated after his struggles, and I think he'll be looking to prove himself a better player than his recent history says. And he was always solid in Houston, so it makes sense for him to go home.

The western conference is freakin stacked beyond belief.

Spurs
Mavs
Suns
Jazz
Rockets
Nuggets

Are all teams that have at least an outside shot at making a title run. Those 4/5 and 3/6 matchups will be good next year.

[wTFaMonkey]

wow :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Mr_Basketball#1]

Trade proposals.

Get rid of Alston and/or Head for Brian Skinner, and a 2nd rounder.

Dont get rid of Head..

[Optimus Prime]

Careful now bro, the Franchise and Rockets lovers on this board will rally and tear you a new one if you somehow imply that Stevie Franchise isn't the savior of the Rockets...

:oldlol:

Someone actually said Stevie Franchise pushes the Rockets over the Spurs and Mavs.

:roll:

BTW, I totally agree, and have already said as much. But they believe what they believe, despite reality. Next season will be amusing. :D


I know I didn't get to see much of the guy considering his brief and unproductive stay in NY, but I'm not sure what the hype is about.

Franics was absolutely awful on the Knicks, and not that much better on the Magic. He was unable to do half of what he could have done in the past with the Knicks. I remember early in the season watching him and despite Francis saying he was feeling great and injury free, he went up for a dunk that he whiffed by about a foot. It was rather depressing to see a former dunk contestant, known for his athleticism and rebounding, barely making it off the ground. Maybe he has gained some of that back, but considering his age, injuries and the type of game he used to play I don't think he'll be any better than Mike James this coming season. In other words, I don't think the Rockets really needed him or got any better with this signing.

[wTFaMonkey]

Cat Mobley must feel dissapointed. He was looking foward to having his pseudo homo moments with him again.

UNLESS THE CAT IS COMING BACK!!


DO IT MOREY :)

[dejordan]

I know I didn't get to see much of the guy considering his brief and unproductive stay in NY, but I'm not sure what the hype is about.

Franics was absolutely awful on the Knicks, and not that much better on the Magic. He was unable to do half of what he could have done in the past with the Knicks. I remember early in the season watching him and despite Francis saying he was feeling great and injury free, he went up for a dunk that he whiffed by about a foot. It was rather depressing to see a former dunk contestant, known for his athleticism and rebounding, barely making it off the ground. Maybe he has gained some of that back, but considering his age, injuries and the type of game he used to play I don't think he'll be any better than Mike James this coming season. In other words, I don't think the Rockets really needed him or got any better with this signing.
yeah, those of us with MSG who watched steve over the past few seasons are all having the same thoughts right now. does he have more in the tank now than he did then? he wasn't making much of an impact last year, so unless he's gotten over his injuries, houston fans are not getting back the player they lost 3 years ago (4?)

[wTFaMonkey]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7703/thewizardjl7.jpg


from clutch bbs

[Moose]

UNLESS THE CAT IS COMING BACK!!


DO IT MOREY :)

Alston for Mobley, not a bad idea.

[MaxFly]

I'm quite shocked. I never expected this.


[/sarcasm]

[wTFaMonkey]

Alston for Mobley, not a bad idea.

they need pg

we need uhh more sg's lol

who cares the rockets are a deep ass team

mike james, luther head, bonzi wells, alston

[Fatal9]

I don't know how anyone can get excited about (a 30 year old) Steve Francis coming to their team.

[Fudge]

Fatboy, I guess now we/you can consider Darryl Morey, for all we know, great.

Don't care much, really, if we have a stacked point guard position. It's ovious nothing will go right with both James and Alston. Either one will complain about the playing time and one will immediately get booted out right before the deadline, if not before the season starts. Just astonishing to see Francis coming back.

[dab0yech0]

Mobley for Battier, if Francis is gonna be reunited with Mobley, reunite Elton Brand with his Dukie Battier.

[MaxFly]

Lol, and the west gets better...

[wTFaMonkey]

Mobley for Battier, if Francis is gonna be reunited with Mobley, reunite Elton Brand with his Dukie Battier.

HELL NO

BATTIER IS THE GLUE!

[SCREWstonRockets]

Steve gets so much love from Rockets fans because he was the best thing we had after the Olajuwon Era. It was a hard time for us but Steve was the only reason that kept us watching. He played his heart out every game regardless of the outcome or our record. I also credit him for making Yao a better player. He gave him lost of confidence, americanized him and had a hand in molding him into the beast that he is today.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Wow, that's fantastic! But how can they afford his salary?

[SCREWstonRockets]

Wow, that's fantastic! But how can they afford his salary?

He took a huge paycut. After being bought out, money was secoundary. I believe the most we could offer him was $2.5mil.

[L.Kizzle]

Steve "the Franchise" Francis

Fu(k yes ... I think?

[John Starks]

Wow, that's fantastic! But how can they afford his salary?

He was bought out and since he has cleafed waivers - he is just a FA. Rockets can pay whatever they agree to. I'd bet the mid-level exception.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Basically, we got T-Mac for nothing. Makes that deal that much sweeter now! Now I must email the Orlando sports writer who was dissing Houston, talking about how they got the better deal and we got some lazy bum who gives up. Who's laughing now?!?!? HAHAHAHAAHHAAAHAHHAHAHA

[Fudge]

Basically, we got T-Mac for nothing.
I was honestly just gonna say that. :roll:

[Kobe24]

Basically, we got T-Mac for nothing. Makes that deal that much sweeter now! Now I must email the Orlando sports writer who was dissing Houston, talking about how they got the better deal and we got some lazy bum who gives up. Who's laughing now?!?!? HAHAHAHAAHHAAAHAHHAHAHA

Both teams still haven't passed the first round. :)

[Optimus Prime]

That is pretty funny.

But you gotta remember that Otis Smith and Orlando's management are phenomenally stupid.


Basically, we got T-Mac for nothing. Makes that deal that much sweeter now! Now I must email the Orlando sports writer who was dissing Houston, talking about how they got the better deal and we got some lazy bum who gives up. Who's laughing now?!?!? HAHAHAHAAHHAAAHAHHAHAHA

[Mind Raper]

What the Fu<k are teh rockets doing?

They're bringing back old aging players to experience how terrible they were in the first place.

Why not just bring back Moochie, Ryan Bowen, and Kelvin Cato why your at it.

The Rockets are 5th in the West and will never be better than that. Good luck getting out of the first round Houston. :oldlol:

[B-Low]

Both teams still haven't passed the first round. :)

lol true...but see:

Francis/Yao = First round

TMac/Yao = First round

So by my calculations 1+1=2, So Francis/TMac/Yao should equal 2nd round! Math has paved the Rockets future

[hotsizzle]

ppl acting like its the steve francis of 5 yrs ago

[wTFaMonkey]

What the Fu<k are teh rockets doing?

They're bringing back old aging players to experience how terrible they were in the first place.

Why not just bring back Moochie, Ryan Bowen, and Kelvin Cato why your at it.

The Rockets are 5th in the West and will never be better than that. Good luck getting out of the first round Houston. :oldlol:

lol, your clueless

[Moose]

What the Fu<k are teh rockets doing?

They're bringing back old aging players to experience how terrible they were in the first place.

Why not just bring back Moochie, Ryan Bowen, and Kelvin Cato why your at it.

The Rockets are 5th in the West and will never be better than that. Good luck getting out of the first round Houston. :oldlol:

They will, they have a deep team now.

[B-Low]

ppl acting like its the steve francis of 5 yrs ago

Rockets don't really NEED Francis of 5 years ago. they just need a talented player who will give 100% and play with heart, who will get fan interest and give them decent numbers. And Francis can do that for them

[Kobe24]

lol true...but see:

Francis/Yao = First round

TMac/Yao = First round

So by my calculations 1+1=2, So Francis/TMac/Yao should equal 2nd round! Math has paved the Rockets future

Damn B-Low. By my calculations

Kobe/Fisher= 3 championships
Kobe/Odom= first round

Kobe/Fisher/Odom= 3 championship and 1 first round exit

Math is the future. :eek:

[Optimus Prime]

I hope that was a joke. It seems like a joke. Because your calculations are :roll:

For everybody who thinks Stevie Franchise is the same or even remotely close to the All Star he was years ago in Houston, all I can say is...

:oldlol:

You will see...you will see...


lol true...but see:

Francis/Yao = First round

TMac/Yao = First round

So by my calculations 1+1=2, So Francis/TMac/Yao should equal 2nd round! Math has paved the Rockets future

[B-Low]

Damn B-Low. By my calculations

Kobe/Fisher= 3 championships
Kobe/Odom= first round

Kobe/Fisher/Odom= 3 championship and 1 first round exit

Math is the future. :eek:

Oh my brotha...BELIEVE it! The numbers don't lie :D

[Optimus Prime]

:roll:

Good one!

LAKERS WIN! LAKERS WIN! KOBE, ODOM, FISHER, KWAME, WALTON AND THE GANG ARE THREEPEAT CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD!

:oldlol:

Using some of that Rocket's math :)

I need help solving a formula...

What if the Lakers got Shaq back?!

Would they win four more Championships?!

:oldlol:

This thread is hilarious guys...keep it up!

:applause:


Damn B-Low. By my calculations

Kobe/Fisher= 3 championships
Kobe/Odom= first round

Kobe/Fisher/Odom= 3 championship and 1 first round exit

Math is the future. :eek:

[fatboy11]

What the Fu<k are teh rockets doing?

They're bringing back old aging players to experience how terrible they were in the first place.

Why not just bring back Moochie, Ryan Bowen, and Kelvin Cato why your at it.

The Rockets are 5th in the West and will never be better than that.Good luck getting out of the first round Houston. :oldlol:Steve Francis is 30 years old. 30.

[SRZ66]

mcgrady and francis will go together like peanut butter and dog crap

[Mind Raper]

lol, your clueless

review last years playoffs and tell me which team had a worst PG than houston?

none. playoff teams have PG's who excel at all levels of their game.

lets see which houston PG fits that bill:

Mike James : no
Rafer: no
JL3: no
Brooks: rookie....no
Head: no

Until houston gets a DECENT PG they will be stuck behind the other west teams.

[Moose]

Man Optimus Prime, i've see most of your posts and you have been bashing the $hit out of Francis. What's the hate all about?

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

This is sweet, Francis back in Houston is going to be interesting.

[Kobe24]

Houston is gonna be fun to watch. I'm gonna wait t'ill Mike James explodes.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Mike James might start over Francis.

[Optimus Prime]

I've already said enough about the Franchise, I won't say much more. :)

I've seen him play in Orlando. Live and in person. I heard on the radio all the problems he caused with the team and Brian Hill. That's not even going into the Vancouver incident. Knicks fans have spoken out against "The Franchise" as well.

I just can't understand the unbelievable amount of hype he gets. He's about 5 years removed from being "The Franchise". Yao gets hyped to the moon, but Yao is also pretty good. Stevie Franchise is not good, and is not the savior of the Rockets.

This is madness! :hammerhead:


Man Optimus Prime, i've see most of your posts and you have been bashing the $hit out of Francis. What's the hate all about?

[Knoe Struh Damus]

none. playoff teams have PG's who excel at all levels of their game.

Bullsh*t. Man, people have short memories. How about Jason Williams winning a championship a year ago, with the opposing PG being Jason Terry? Yeah, they really "excel at all levels of their game."

[dab0yech0]

Bring back Kelvin Cato and Jim Jackson!

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Bring back Kelvin Cato and Jim Jackson!

F*ck that.

[fatboy11]

Bullsh*t. Man, people have short memories. How about Jason Williams winning a championship a year ago, with the opposing PG being Jason Terry? Yeah, they really "excel at all levels of their game."Ownage.

[L.Kizzle]

Bring back Kelvin Cato and Jim Jackson!
While were at it, call up Moochie Norris and Ryan Bowen, get Nachbar from Jersey, trade for Cat Mobley and maybe Cleveland will give David Wesley for free!

:banana:

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

I say keep Rafer if you can't get a good deal. Give up JL3 though.

[Agent_Zero]

Good signing here. They need to get rid of rafer and they could be a darkhorse next year.

[Optimus Prime]

I think Cleveland will gladly donate David Wesley...

Anybody see that layup he blew? :oldlol:

Oh, and to stay on topic, I don't like Steve Francis. :D


While were at it, call up Moochie Norris and Ryan Bowen, get Nachbar from Jersey, trade for Cat Mobley and maybe Cleveland will give David Wesley for free!

:banana:

[GOBB]

Cat Mobley must feel dissapointed. He was looking foward to having his pseudo homo moments with him again.

You're the only one still on Cat Mobley/Francis are gay lovers thing. Shyts corny.

[dab0yech0]

While were at it, call up Moochie Norris and Ryan Bowen, get Nachbar from Jersey, trade for Cat Mobley and maybe Cleveland will give David Wesley for free!

:banana:

Wesley was part of the Jim Jackson trade so no need for him. Instead, Mo Taylor, Clarence Weatherspoon, Charles Oakley need to come back to fill the 4 spot!

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Francis 6th man?

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

I'm wrong i forgot about Aaron Brooks. Yup, Rafer and Lucas gotta go.

[Moose]

I'm pretty sure Lucas is done with Houston, plus they will try to trade Alston and Sura.

[Take Your Lumps]

At this rate, Tracy will never make it out of the 2nd round.

Yet another year where a team surrounds him with dog****.

[BradMiller52]

Damn, Houston is as good as SA and PHX now IMO. Don't forget that Francis was like a 20/7/7 guy before. I know he's declined a bit since then but he's a good 3rd option and I don't really see why he can't play that role. I predict 15/6 which should be good. Now they have someone to pick up the scoring when 1 of TMac or Yao are out. I'm going to follow the Rockets(who I already liked) a lot more this season. I love the additions/changes they've made.

[saKf]

If Francis doesn't embrace a smaller role, I'll be pissed. He better not F up that sweet team they have going.

[YaoMacBat11]

Yeah I am pretty pumped, I'm not expecting the Francis of old, but it will be nice seeing him and Yao again. Just that will probably give a lot of drive and determination to both players knowing they're on the same team again, This time around you've added T-Mac, Battier, Scola, Wells, Head, James. You've got a lot more talent around those 2 than you had before...Plus with the new coach the offensive should be more entertaining, can't wait

[skan72]

YES!!!! Time to bust out my old Francis Rockets jersey lol

Me too, I got the '94 Houston jersey but then he got traded. Glad I can wear it again.

[Dbrog]

Rockets are stacked now. I can't wait to see if they have enough chemistry to be a force.

[B-Low]

If Francis doesn't embrace a smaller role, I'll be pissed. He better not F up that sweet team they have going.

I think he will. The fact that he went from a max contract to like $2.3 million, and the fact that he picked Houston over places like Dallas and Miami shows that Francis is just more concerned with being happy in his situation, especially after his stay in NY. Right now i think he just wanted to come home and enjoy ballin again

[B-Low]

Me too, I got the '94 Houston jersey but then he got traded. Glad I can wear it again.

haha i dropped $150 on his authentic (the new red ones) the DAY they came out in stores and he got traded 8 months later. You can imagine how pissed i was

[Moose]

Yeah I am pretty pumped, I'm not expecting the Francis of old, but it will be nice seeing him and Yao again. Just that will probably give a lot of drive and determination to both players knowing they're on the same team again, This time around you've added T-Mac, Battier, Scola, Wells, Head, James. You've got a lot more talent around those 2 than you had before...Plus with the new coach the offensive should be more entertaining, can't wait

Don't forget Jackie Butler.

[bomber]

Wonder what they can get for Skip

[fatboy11]

So it looks like Luther, Rafer, JL3, and Sura are firmly on the block.

[Knoe Struh Damus]

At this rate, Tracy will never make it out of the 2nd round.

Yet another year where a team surrounds him with dog****.

:confusedshrug: Really, what the F are people talking about here? Has anyone looked at the roster lately (no Alston since he's good as gone)?

C Yao/Mutombo/Butler
PF Scola/Hayes
SF Battier/Wells
SG McGrady/Head/Snyder
PG James/Francis/Brooks

How is this in any way bad?

[yeaaaman]

I think he will. The fact that he went from a max contract to like $2.3 million, and the fact that he picked Houston over places like Dallas and Miami shows that Francis is just more concerned with being happy in his situation, especially after his stay in NY. Right now i think he just wanted to come home and enjoy ballin again

Picked houston over teams like dallas and miami? so what miami got swept in the first round of the plaoffs and are aging so it makes some sense why he wouldnt want to play for them. Dallas just made history and lost to the 8th seed in the first round of the playoffs. The rockets just lost again in the first round, but they do have a deadly inside outside combo in yao and tmac, they have a new offensive minded coach in adelman which sould also rejuvinate bonzi whos a solid plaer, they have battier who compliments yao well to hit open 3's and now hes coming back to a situation he is familiar with where he probably feels he can be most effective and help the team so i dont think this speaks about him just wanting to be happy i think he truely believes that houston can compete next year and there should be no reason why they shouldnt. Overall what houston was lacking in the past was depth and now they seem to have it im not sure how much better wade and shaq will be than t-mac and yao this coming season anyways if at all so i think there is noting wrong with this.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

excellent pickup for Houston. both he and Mike James are upgrades.
very nice three guard rotation of TMac, James, Francis. very nice.

[fatboy11]

Picked houston over teams like dallas and miami? so what miami got swept in the first round of the plaoffs and are aging so it makes some sense why he wouldnt want to play for them. Dallas just made history and lost to the 8th seed in the first round of the playoffs. The rockets just lost again in the first round, but they do have a deadly inside outside combo in yao and tmac, they have a new offensive minded coach in adelman which sould also rejuvinate bonzi whos a solid plaer, they have battier who compliments yao well to hit open 3's and now hes coming back to a situation he is familiar with where he probably feels he can be most effective and help the team so i dont think this speaks about him just wanting to be happy i think he truely believes that houston can compete next year and there should be no reason why they shouldnt. Overall what houston was lacking in the past was depth and now they seem to have it im not sure how much better wade and shaq will be than t-mac and yao this coming season anyways if at all so i think there is noting wrong with this.Actually, that makes no sense at all. That would be a reason for him to go there. He could help them get back to that level.

[aj242]

Actually, that makes no sense at all. That would be a reason for him to go there. He could help them get back to that level.

Hell, if i'm a Heat fan, I just took a big deep breath. Mo Williams, who they really wanted made sense.

Steve Blake, who they didn't want, made sense.

Francis, who i'm not sure if was just agent babble or legitmate interest, made NO sense.

You think he would have been happy coming off the knot behind Jason Williams? I don't think & that's what would happen.

[Poseidon]

I love how these delusional Rockets fans are applauding the Francis signing.

There's a reason WHY the Knicks traded this bum and WHY the Blazers bought his washed-up ass out.

Stop living off 5 years ago and not even Francis can save TMac from another 1st round playoff disaster.

[fatboy11]

Hell, if i'm a Heat fan, I just took a big deep breath. Mo Williams, who they really wanted made sense.

Steve Blake, who they didn't want, made sense.

Francis, who i'm not sure if was just agent babble or legitmate interest, made NO sense.

You think he would have been happy coming off the knot behind Jason Williams? I don't think & that's what would happen.You're brain dead if you think Jason Williams would start over him.

Steve rounded back into form late in the season.

[Optimus Prime]

We're speaking but they ain't listening...

:confusedshrug:

I've just given up. It will be a hoot to watch "The Franchise" next year "carry the Rockets over the Spurs and Mavs".

:oldlol:


I love how these delusional Rockets fans are applauding the Francis signing.

There's a reason WHY the Knicks traded this bum and WHY the Blazers bought his washed-up ass out.

Stop living off 5 years ago and not even Francis can save TMac from another 1st round playoff disaster.

[Aydin]

good for Houston... I like that sign for both parts. It is good for Francis he really needs to do something in his career and Houston would be place for him. It is also good for Houston because they need someone to bring ball efficiently and to make points when needed.

[LakerWarrior12]

I love how these delusional Rockets fans are applauding the Francis signing.

There's a reason WHY the Knicks traded this bum and WHY the Blazers bought his washed-up ass out.

Stop living off 5 years ago and not even Francis can save TMac from another 1st round playoff disaster.


Unless if he gets into shape..I don't expect Francis to average 30 or more mpg with the Rockets in this upcoming season..


Its a risky signing..

[artest 93]

omg once the contract is done i'm going to go crazy. my goodness...this is unbelievable.

[artest 93]

I love how these delusional Rockets fans are applauding the Francis signing.

There's a reason WHY the Knicks traded this bum and WHY the Blazers bought his washed-up ass out.

Stop living off 5 years ago and not even Francis can save TMac from another 1st round playoff disaster.

Lakers fans calling other people delusional? Hahaha. Andrew Bynum...the next Kareem? No way for KG? Unbelievable potential?

[Optimus Prime]

Kupcake said Bynum was a superstar in the making. Most Lakers fans realize Kupcake is a tool.


Lakers fans calling other people delusional? Hahaha. Andrew Bynum...the next Kareem? No way for KG? Unbelievable potential?

[LakerWarrior12]

Kupcake said Bynum was a superstar in the making. Most Lakers fans realize Kupcake is a tool.


Bynum a superstar in the making? :oldlol: I wish the Lakers never drafted him..

[Optimus Prime]

:confusedshrug:

Kupcake gets the good stuff from Dr. Buss!

Please, let's get back on topic...I don't even want to think about what JKidd + Kobe could have accomplished...


Bynum a superstar in the making? :oldlol: I wish the Lakers never drafted him..

[Shogon Vendetta]

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[LakerWarrior12]

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1 in a million chances..

[BradMiller52]

1 in a million chances..
:roll: Are you ****ing kidding me?

The Rockets have a decent shot at a championship. I guess you're forgetting they have a 25/9 center, they have TMac who is a top 5 swingman in the game, they brought back a guy who did well on every team he's been on besides the Knicks(Francis), they brought in Scola who was supposed to be a very good player, and they replaced JVG with Adelman who can get the team to play DEFENSE AND OFFENSE, instead of just JVG's defense only approach.

They have a great shot at a championship.

[aj242]

You're brain dead if you think Jason Williams would start over him.

Steve rounded back into form late in the season.

Please, I wouldn't want that Basketball pedophile anywhere near my starting lineup. Dribbling away the shot clock & launching a step back jumper isn't my idea of maximizing Wade & Shaq.

He would have been an awful fit. Unless he came off the bench & signed for the veteran minimum.

I could see it now. The Jackem' Brothers starring Antoine Walker & Steve Francis coming to an arena near you.

[fatboy11]

Please, I wouldn't want that Basketball pedophile anywhere near my starting lineup. Dribbling away the shot clock & launching a step back jumper isn't my idea of maximizing Wade & Shaq.

He would have been an awful fit. Unless he came off the bench & signed for the veteran minimum.

I could see it now. The Jackem' Brothers starring Antoine Walker & Steve Francis coming to an arena near you.Steve Francis > Jason Williams

[ElPigto]

Well I'm freakin excited. I been on the boards since earlier and I been posting from inside sources (clutchfans posters) that this was happening, I'm glad I didn't look like an idiot.

I don't have much to say, but I'm not worried about people saying this is a bab move because there will always be pessimists but I'm glad he is back with Houston. I'm hoping he proves everyone wrong.

I'm sort of hoping to bring in another forward so hopefully since so many teams are after point guards, there will be a forward coming in.

Anyways, lets just celebrate.

[Richie2k6]

:roll: Are you ****ing kidding me?

The Rockets have a decent shot at a championship. I guess you're forgetting they have a 25/9 center, they have TMac who is a top 5 swingman in the game, they brought back a guy who did well on every team he's been on besides the Knicks(Francis), they brought in Scola who was supposed to be a very good player, and they replaced JVG with Adelman who can get the team to play DEFENSE AND OFFENSE, instead of just JVG's defense only approach.

They have a great shot at a championship.
Co-sign.

They're in my top 6 or 7 potential championship winners next year.

[DLeagueWannabe]

Steve's gonna be an Allstar Starter1!!!....watch, (and I'm not saying he'll play that well, I'm just saying he'll get voted in):cheers:

It's gonna be hilarious

[Mad Max]

:confusedshrug: Really, what the F are people talking about here? Has anyone looked at the roster lately (no Alston since he's good as gone)?

C Yao/Mutombo/Butler
PF Scola/Hayes
SF Battier/Wells
SG McGrady/Head/Snyder
PG James/Francis/Brooks

How is this in any way bad?

Smells like a bunch of underachievers.

[Classic]

There sure are a lot of morons on this board. The rockets won 52 games last year. 52 games out of the western conference. The only teams better than the rockets were the Mavericks, Phoenix, Spurs and Jazz. The rockets lost to the Jazz in game 7 in the last two minutes. You people are retarted if you don't think that the rockets won't improve upon what they did last year when Yao was out 32 games. 32 games without Yao and 52 wins. Get a clue. The rockets acquired Mike James, Steve Francis, Luis Scola, Jackie Buttler and essentially Bonzi Wells and added them to the 52 win squad that is still intact. Everyone that was on that team last year is still on the roster. There is obviously more deals to make since there are like 18 or 19 people on the roster setting the rockets up for more upgrades or future draft picks. If that is not depth and addition without subtraction, you don't know what you're talking about. The only real problem facing this club next year will be rotations.

[White Chocolate]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4982185.html

Sweet :banana:


Cuttino Mobley isn't there, so it's not the same.

[aj242]

Steve Francis > Jason Williams

In a game of one on one. On the Heat he's not.

[Rab]

Not a bad signing for the price tag.

I don't like Francis, and never will, but it will be interesting to see how he responds on the court. I don't think this makes Houston better than the big 3 in SA, Dallas, PHX, but it might put them over the Jazz, especially if they can get something good from Bonzi.

I don't like the combo of Francis and Mike James either. Now Alston will have to go. I don't think they'd want to deal Luther Head.

[Perezident]

I'm wrong i forgot.

Your always wrong bro lol :D tell us something new :D

jk

[TMac&Luther]

Unless if he gets into shape..I don't expect Francis to average 30 or more mpg with the Rockets in this upcoming season..


Its a risky signing..

Give me a break........ How the hell is this a risky sighning. Please enlighten us, I really want to hear why you think this is a risky signing.

Francis KNOWS he is coming to a backup role, His 2.5 mil. salary has stamped that clear accross his forehead. Steve Francis brings depth to a position where our projected starter (or now backup) is 32.

Francis is a ZERO RISK, High reward signing. He's only getting paid 2.5 million. If he suddenly finds his game again (and it has happened with players going back to previous teams they were successful with) The Rockets are going to be STACKED with talent.

If he only contributes quality backup minutes, guess what, he provides the Rockets quality depth at the PG position...... something they didn't have last year.... and they still win.

and finally

If he proves to be a butthead and a total flop, The Rockets who are only paying him 2.5 mil can tell him to take his candy ass home (just like they did with Wells last year) and then Aaron Brooks will get valuable minutes (which I wouldn't mind anyway) and Guess what THE FREAKING ROCKETS STILL WIN.

I think of the Francis signing more as being like Finley going to the Spurs, a player that at the very least can provide a spark off the bench, but unlike Finley, Francis is still at the age where he can make a comeback and yes, be a allstar caliber player.

This signing at the price of the signing is one of the lowest risk signings this offseason, but I still want to know why you think this is a High Risk....

I think alot of people are now just HATING on the Rockets, I would to if I wasn't a Rocket fan.

The Rockets are now one of the deepest teams in the league (which is the REAL reason for the Rockets shortcomings in the playoffs.) and can compete with any team in the league.

[Optimus Prime]

They can compete with any team up until the first round, sure. Stevie Franchise doesn't push them over the top. It certainly doesn't push them over SA, Dallas, Phoenix or even Utah.

If you think that, you're seriously...

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

I do agree though that if they signed him to the Vets' minimum, it is a low risk move. If they don't like him, he's gone. T-Mac and Yao wouldn't let Stevie's bad attitude run wild, that's for sure.


Give me a break........ How the hell is this a risky sighning. Please enlighten us, I really want to hear why you think this is a risky signing.

Francis KNOWS he is coming to a backup role, His 2.5 mil. salary has stamped that clear accross his forehead. Steve Francis brings depth to a position where our projected starter (or now backup) is 32.

Francis is a ZERO RISK, High reward signing. He's only getting paid 2.5 million. If he suddenly finds his game again (and it has happened with players going back to previous teams they were successful with) The Rockets are going to be STACKED with talent. If he only contributes quality backup minutes, guess what, he provides the Rockets quality depth at the PG position...... something they didn't have last year.... and they still win.

and finally

If he proves to be a butthead and a total flop, The Rockets who are only paying him 2.5 mil can tell him to take his candy ass home (just like they did with Wells last year) and then Aaron Brooks will get valuable minutes (which I wouldn't mind anyway) and Guess what THE FREAKING ROCKETS STILL WIN.

I think of the Francis signing more as being like Finley going to the Spurs, a player that at the very least can provide a spark off the bench, but unlike Finley, Francis is still at the age where he can make a comeback and yes, be a allstar caliber player.

This signing at the price of the signing is one of the lowest risk signings this offseason, but I still want to know why you think this is a High Risk....

I think alot of people are now just HATING on the Rockets, I would to if I wasn't a Rocket fan.

The Rockets are now one of the deepest teams in the league (which is the REAL reason for the Rockets shortcomings in the playoffs.) and can compete with any team in the league.

[TMac&Luther]

They can compete with any team up until the first round, sure. Stevie Franchise doesn't push them over the top. It certainly doesn't push them over SA, Dallas, Phoenix or even Utah.

If you think that, you're seriously...

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

I do agree though that if they signed him to the Vets' minimum, it is a low risk move. If they don't like him, he's gone. T-Mac and Yao wouldn't let Stevie's bad attitude run wild, that's for sure.

Hell, then beat me over the head, because I think, it closes the gap between Houston and the top teams. Look at Yao and McGrady's playoff #s......please.

The Rockets have always lacked the depth and a PF/PG to compete in the playoffs and that is something SA, Pheonix, and Dallas (even Utah) last year has always had over them........ not anymore.

With Yao and Scola, Houston even has the international feel as SA, Dallas, and Utah. Another thing Houston has struggled with is injuries....... now if a player goes down we have a second team that can compete with most firsts in this league.

Again yall don't know how big of a hole not having a PF actually was, that one move alone, makes us so much better, before Francis even got here.

Kobe might as well as back his **** and move out of LA and the West, because his chances of winning in the West just reached slim and none.....and slim left town.

[JalenRawley]

Unless if he gets into shape..I don't expect Francis to average 30 or more mpg with the Rockets in this upcoming season..


Its a risky signing..

What's so risky about getting Steve Francis at half of the MLE? He isn't a garbage player, and even if his best days are behind him and he's not half the player he was, even if he's coming off the bench, he's still better than 90% of what you're going to get for less than $3mil a year. And if he ends up injured, if he ends up pouting, if he and the coach don't get along, you've got plenty of guards to back the position up.

I can understand being a bit miffed at the mental midgets who seem to think that this move suddenly makes Houston favorites to go 82-0, but this is a good player at a bargain basement price. You simply can't beat it.

However, when he sticks around a couple years and starts looking for that $10mil/year extension, send his ass out of town on a rail.

[Optimus Prime]

I've seen T-Mac's and Yao's playoff numbers...first round exit. :oldlol:

And nobody was talking about Kobe, nor does anyone think that Kobe has a chance of winning the West.

But all of you Rockets fans who haven't really seen The Franchise since he left town years ago are in for a rude awakening...


Hell then beat me over the head, because thats exactly what I think. Look at Yao and McGrady's playoff #s......please.

The Rockets have always lacked the depth and a PF/PG to compete in the playoffs and that is something SA, Pheonix, and Dallas (even Utah) last year has always had over them........ not anymore.

With Yao and Scola, Houston even has the international feel as SA, Dallas, and Utah. Another thing Houston has struggled with is injuries....... now if a player goes down we have a second team that compete with most firsts in this league.

Again yall don't know how big of a hole not having a PF actually was, that one move alone, makes us so much better, before Francis even got here.

Kobe might as well as back his **** and move out of LA and the West, because his chances of winning in the West just reached slim and none.....and slim left town.

[fatboy11]

In a game of one on one. On the Heat he's not.Yes, he would be.

Steve Francis is just flat out better than Jason Williams. Plain and simple.

[Optimus Prime]

:confusedshrug:

Maybe. But J-Will is funnier!

Come on. White Chocolate? :oldlol:


Yes, he would be.

Steve Francis is just flat out better than Jason Williams. Plain and simple.

[ikoiko]

i like this signing. francis understands what his role on the team will be.

but he's not starting over mike james, right?

[Optimus Prime]

Why does Francis understand what his role is? Is the signing even official yet? Has Stevie been on the news with a statement yet? Has Adelman said anything yet?

Wild speculation is running rampant... :hammerhead:


i like this signing. francis understands what his role on the team will be.

but he's not starting over mike james, right?

[TMac&Luther]

I've seen T-Mac's and Yao's playoff numbers...first round exit. :oldlol:

And nobody was talking about Kobe, nor does anyone think that Kobe has a chance of winning the West.

But all of you Rockets fans who haven't really seen The Franchise since he left town years ago are in for a rude awakening...

Yeah and Peyton Manning can't win the big game...... right? Well he can once he gets a better team to help him out.... It sure is freaking funny how that crap works isn't it.

As far as Rocket fans not seeing Francis since he left town. Did or didn't you read my previous post on how Francis is taking a smaller role and even if he doesn't contribue its no sweat off Houston's back........ I'm guessing you didn't.

My optimism doesn't even stem from the Francis signing (frankly I'm more excited about Brooks who is the real future), it stems from the Rockets finally filling their PF spot. A PF thats going to keep a ton of big bodies off Yao, something Yao HAS NEVER HAD !!!!

[Optimus Prime]

But the Rockets have something most teams can't even come close to:

Two All Stars. That's 17% of the West's All Stars for a first round exit.

:confusedshrug:


Yeah and Peyton Manning can't win the big game...... right? Well he can once he gets a better team to help him out.... It sure is freaking funny how the crap works isn't it.

As far as Rocket fans not seeing Francis since he left town. Did or didn't you read my previous post on how Francis is taking a smaller role and even if he doesn't contribue its no sweat off Houston's back........ I'm guessing you didn't.

My optimism doesn't even stem from the Francis signing (frankly I'm more excited about Brooks who is the real future), it stems from the Rockets finally filling their PF spot. A PF thats going to keep a ton of big bodies off Yao, something Yao HAS NEVER HAD !!!!

[Fudge]

I love how these delusional Rockets fans are applauding the Francis signing.

There's a reason WHY the Knicks traded this bum and WHY the Blazers bought his washed-up ass out.

Stop living off 5 years ago and not even Francis can save TMac from another 1st round playoff disaster.
Why can't we applaud? It's a signing, a player that sketched a whole new meaning to Yao's and Rockets' franchise. What the hell are we suppose to do? Pull suicide just because he had a rough start and ending for the Knicks? I'm sure you'd be tasting your own words if the team you root for signed him. Fck outta here.

Nonetheless, with or without Francis, Rockets fans, everyone in general, mark them as a big favorite in the playoffs next season.

[Optimus Prime]

Sure, it's all good. But the main issue is that most Rockets fans are hysterically acting like Stevie Franchise coming back to Houston is like MJ returning in 1995.

That's why I :oldlol: and :hammerhead:


Why can't we applaud? It's a signing, a player that sketched a whole new meaning to Yao's and Rockets' franchise. What the hell are we suppose to do? Pull suicide just because he had a rough ending start and ending for the Knicks? I'm sure you'd be tasting your own words if the team you root for signed him. Fck outta here.

Nonetheless, with or without Francis, Rockets fans, everyone in general, mark them as a big favorite in the playoffs next season.

[TMac&Luther]

Why does Francis understand what his role is? Is the signing even official yet? Has Stevie been on the news with a statement yet? Has Adelman said anything yet?

Wild speculation is running rampant... :hammerhead:

He's already commented that he could of went to other teams with bigger roles and bigger money, but he wanted to come to Houston, because.....

He wants to win and wants to be a peice on a team that he feels he can win it all. He has just been talking about the team and Tracy and Yao. They are talking on Houston Sports radio how he is much more team oriented and knows he is no longer a go to guy............ HE KNOWS HIS ROLE, if he didn't, do you really think he would sign a 2.5 million dollar contract.

Even in he doesn't know his role, Houston will send his candy ass home like they did with Wells.

[aj242]

Yes, he would be.

Steve Francis is just flat out better than Jason Williams. Plain and simple.

My friend sometimes talent doesn't equate to winning. Francis on the Heat ain't a winning match, especially starting.

Style doesn't fit.

[fatboy11]

My friend sometimes talent doesn't equate to winning. Francis on the Heat ain't a winning match, especially starting.

Style doesn't fit.Well, the Miami organization sure did seem to think so.......

I'll take that over your little opinion any day, bud.

[TMac&Luther]

But the Rockets have something most teams can't even come close to:

Two All Stars. That's 17% of the West's All Stars for a first round exit.

:confusedshrug:

Two All Stars.......... and nobody else.

They lose to Dallas. No shame in that what so ever, Dallas is loaded and had a better team.

They lose to Utah, who also has All Stars, and is also MUCH DEEPER......atleast last year they were. Boozer killed the Rockets. Again NO PF.

In both playoff losses they lost in the 7th game........ its not like they aren't showing up in a playoff series. Losing in game 7's in the last minutes of game 7's just tells me, they are lacking very little to put them over the top.

Unlike the East, it take more than a couple of All Stars and alpo to win in the West. Only in the East can you take a All Star and dog crap to the NBA finals.

[Optimus Prime]

Ah, okay. Guess those of us not living in Houston can't hear them talking on Houston radio. :ohwell:

Heck, where I live, there ain't nothin' but banjos and NASCAR and that there radio!

So I have to rely on ESPN, SI, etc. for my more...civilized sports news. :)


He's already commented that he could of went to other teams with bigger roles and bigger money, but he wanted to come to Houston, because.....

He wants to win and wants to be a peice on a team that he feels he can win it all. He has just been talking about the team and Tracy and Yao. They are talking on Houston Sports radio how he is much more team oriented and knows he is no longer a go to guy............ HE KNOWS HIS ROLE, if he didn't do you really think he would sign a 2.5 million dollar contract.

Even in he doesn't know his role, Houston will send his candy ass home like they did with Wells.

[Fudge]

Sure, it's all good. But the main issue is that most Rockets fans are hysterically acting like Stevie Franchise coming back to Houston is like MJ returning in 1995.

That's why I :oldlol: and :hammerhead:
How's that the main issue? Just a sign of .. perhaps, respect from all of the general Rocket fans supporting him through thick and thin back in his rookie season? It's obvious that you're a bit obscure about the idea of "Francis being the franchise-changer". And maybe to some accustomed 'Rocketeers', they consider him to be a somewhat Houston god.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

The one thing that I was hoping against happens.:wtf: We don't need him!!!! He is a better player than any of our point guards but we have 4 for heaven's sake. I just don't understand what was the point of this signing? How the hell is rotation going to work. We are a better team now but I would have preferred we get a power forward or a rebounder. I just don't get what Morey is thinking.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

As of right now.

Mike James
Steve Francis
Rafer Alston
Aaron Brooks
Luther Head

[TMac&Luther]

The one thing that I was hoping against happens.:wtf: We don't need him!!!! He is a better player than any of our point guards but we have 4 for heaven's sake. I just don't understand what was the point of this signing? How the hell is rotation going to work. We are a better team now but I would have preferred we get a power forward or a rebounder. I just don't get what Morey is thinking.

We have 4 PGs right now, but when the season starts we won't. Looks for the Rockets to cut a trade to get a "power foward and rebounder", like your talking about.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Power Foward is still your weakest position. Houston is also stupid for trading Rudy Gay for Shane Battier, but yet Houston still doesn't get bashed for that.

[Optimus Prime]

You seem like a reasonable Rockets fan who isn't riding the hype bandwagon and actually realizes what Houston needs...

:applause:


The one thing that I was hoping against happens.:wtf: We don't need him!!!! He is a better player than any of our point guards but we have 4 for heaven's sake. I just don't understand what was the point of this signing? How the hell is rotation going to work. We are a better team now but I would have preferred we get a power forward or a rebounder. I just don't get what Morey is thinking.

[mlh1981]

I think Francis has been humbled by his recent experiences. He will be reenergized playing with Yao. As has been stated, though, not sure that this trade really vaults Houston up into the upper echelon. 4 PG,'s, none of which are "real" PG's, is pointless. However, as was mentioned a few posts above mine, they will prob. get rid of 1 or 2 of these guys. Should be interesting to see what unfolds.........

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

On paper Houstons looking good though.

Francis
McGrady
Battier
Scola
Yao

Bench: Brooks, Hayes, James, Snyder, Bonzi, Mutumbo

[Fudge]

Houston is also stupid for trading Rudy Gay for Shane Battier, but yet Houston still doesn't get bashed for that.
The horrendous one-liners are one thing, but this completely swung off the edge. Honestly.

How was Houston stupid? Of course, i'll admit, Gay will be a potential star one day and could be a legit #1 scoring option. But you actually think we needed any of that? Take a peek at our line-up going into last season without Battier. Not much, hey? Not a knick of defense at all, and places much more that. We always needed a perimeter player who can defend, and that's what we got (possibly second best in terms of perimeter defense behind Artest).

[HoopitUP]

ahhahah it would be so funny if

alston + filler was dealt to clippers to get cat mobley LOL

i dont know if they need him but that would put the cherry on the sunday for francis

[Optimus Prime]

Scola hasn't played a second of NBA basketball, and his contract with TAU still isn't officially bought out.

But he's all of a sudden gonna be the PF that makes all the difference in Houston?

:hammerhead: :wtf:


On paper Houstons looking good though.

Francis
McGrady
Battier
Scola
Yao

[Uchiha_Hai]

The horrendous one-liners are one thing, but this completely swung off the edge. Honestly.

How was Houston stupid? Of course, i'll admit, Gay will be a potential star one day and could be a legit #1 scoring option. But you actually think we needed any of that? Take a peek at our line-up going into last season without Battier. Not much, hey? Not a knick of defense at all, and places much more that. We always needed a perimeter player who can defend, and that's what we got (possibly second best in terms of perimeter defense behind Artest).


Bruce Bowen is a better defender then both of them.

Anyway, maybe with the new lineup and new coach, Houston will be going somewhere.

[el_locoteee]

Scola hasn't played a second of NBA basketball, and his contract with TAU still isn't officially bought out.

But he's all of a sudden gonna be the PF that makes all the difference in Houston?

:hammerhead: :wtf:

When you make a press conference, take photos of the guy playing in the Rox jersey, talk about his role in the then Rox this upcoming season, and you think he won play for Houston. And yes he can be the diference, better option than Juwan Howard and a better player that Hayes, so far is an starter and if no who cares, Ginobili come from the bech and he is one of the diference makers in the Nba Champions SA Spurs.

[TMac&Luther]

Power Foward is still your weakest position. Houston is also stupid for trading Rudy Gay for Shane Battier, but yet Houston still doesn't get bashed for that.

They don't get bashed for that, because.............. it worked out for Houston. Battier is the glue guy that holds the roster together, especially last years roster. He also has experience which this team needs.
we already have enough scorers on this team now. Battier's defense, charge taking, intagibles, and key 3pt. shooting fills a much needed hole on this team.

Battier is the ultimate glue guy.

[clayton]

Hopefully, they can make past 1st round. I speak for any Rocket/TMAC/YAO fans!

:violin: :violin: :violin:

[TMac&Luther]

When you make a press conference, take photos of the guy playing in the Rox jersey, talk about his role in the then Rox this upcoming season, and you think he won play for Houston. And yes he can be the diference, better option than Juwan Howard and a better player that Hayes, so far is an starter and if no who cares, Ginobili come from the bech and he is one of the diference makers in the Nba Champions SA Spurs.

Don't listen to that guy, he's just a h.a.t.e.r who believes putting better players around your stars, filling huge holes, and improving the depth on your team is a recipe for disaster...

[FPower]

Fun move for Houston. They really need to trade James or Alston though, otherwise someone's going to be pissed about PT.

[gibbo3000]

i think ther rockets should start

G Mike James
G Steve Francis
F Shane Battier
F Tracy McGrady
C Yao Ming

The center is 7'6, so they should put him in the post and play a perimeter game around him.

[Xsatyr]

i think ther rockets should start

G Mike James
G Steve Francis
F Shane Battier
F Tracy McGrady
C Yao Ming

The center is 7'6, so they should put him in the post and play a perimeter game around him.

Uhm no

[gibbo3000]

they should trade for yi

[MTing]

ROFL!
TMac at PF?!!

[Rockets(T-mac)]

i think ther rockets should start

G Mike James
G Steve Francis
F Shane Battier
F Tracy McGrady
C Yao Ming

The center is 7'6, so they should put him in the post and play a perimeter game around him.
They ran T-mac at the PF spot in his first year on houston but that was because they surrounded with shooters and ran a relatively fast pace. Also Yao didn't have as big of a role then either thats why it worked back then but it won't now. They still aren't that high tempo and Yao has a much bigger role now.

[gibbo3000]

i'm not saying to play tmac as a power forward,
i'm saying to not play a power forward on offense
it will give yao more room in the post, and battier just stands in the corner

on defense battier or mcgrady can play on most big men, tmac just stands there on defense anyway, way can't he stand next to say, oberto instead of bowen and battier guards playerrs like nowitzki and marion(who will be playing pf with hill on the team)
the new rules make this sort of lineup easier anyway

tmac is a guard/forward, but he a legit 6'8 and has bulked up alot over the last few years, he's probably about 240 now

[Xsatyr]

i'm not saying to play tmac as a power forward,
i'm saying to not play a power forward on offense
it will give yao more room in the post, and battier just stands in the corner

on defense battier or mcgrady can play on most big men, tmac just stands there on defense anyway, way can't he stand next to say, oberto instead of bowen and battier guards playerrs like nowitzki and marion(who will be playing pf with hill on the team)
the new rules make this sort of lineup easier anyway

tmac is a guard/forward, but he a legit 6'8 and has bulked up alot over the last few years, he's probably about 240 now

Ok and who guards the other team's pf? You can't just play offense, you have to think about defense. That line up will get killed, not to mention the lack of rebounds they will get.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

i'm not saying to play tmac as a power forward,
i'm saying to not play a power forward on offense
it will give yao more room in the post, and battier just stands in the corner

on defense battier or mcgrady can play on most big men, tmac just stands there on defense anyway, way can't he stand next to say, oberto instead of bowen and battier guards playerrs like nowitzki and marion(who will be playing pf with hill on the team)
the new rules make this sort of lineup easier anyway

tmac is a guard/forward, but he a legit 6'8 and has bulked up alot over the last few years, he's probably about 240 now
He is more like 225-230. 223 according to NBA.com. T-mac is better at defense than you give him credit for he defense players like Dirk very well but the Rockets don't put him on those players for the whole game because he would get into foul trouble. T-mac is long and that is very useful against players like Marion and Dirk.

Yao has plenty of room in the post Scola isn't really going to be posting up a lot in the new system. Player movement and T-mac attract lots of attention so Yao has lots of room to operate.

[gibbo3000]

Ok and who guards the other team's pf? You can't just play offense, you have to think about defense. That line up will get killed, not to mention the lack of rebounds they will get.

rebounds won't be problem, tmac can easily average 6-7 rebounds a game, and if yao gets afrter it he could average 10-12

if they are playing a team with two good post scorers then they can bring on a back up power forward

the only teams i see giving this team a hard time on defense at the power forward spot are the knicks, pistons, and maybe memphis atlanta or the clippers depending on how good horford and milicic play
but most other teams have only one good post player, to be guarded by yao or battier

francis is more of a worry guarding a shooting guard

[tenzan]

Francis and Yao had great chemistry as teammates

People underestimate this factor

[wTFaMonkey]

it has to be:
francis
t-mac
battier
scola
yao


benches: mike james, rafer alston, bonzi wells, luther head, snyder OMFG WHO CARES! we are STACKED!

[el_locoteee]

i'm not saying to play tmac as a power forward,
i'm saying to not play a power forward on offense
it will give yao more room in the post, and battier just stands in the corner

on defense battier or mcgrady can play on most big men, tmac just stands there on defense anyway, way can't he stand next to say, oberto instead of bowen and battier guards playerrs like nowitzki and marion(who will be playing pf with hill on the team)
the new rules make this sort of lineup easier anyway

tmac is a guard/forward, but he a legit 6'8 and has bulked up alot over the last few years, he's probably about 240 now


They play like that at times in SA, when duncan play as center and they surround him with guard, like Manu, Parker, Barry and Finley. but I don think you can star a game like that, but you can use that line up at times with four 3 point shooters around on Big Man.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

it has to be:
francis
t-mac
battier
scola
yao


benches: mike james, rafer alston, bonzi wells, luther head, snyder OMFG WHO CARES! we are STACKED!
Yeah thats probably the line up. Alston will probably be traded.

[Kujo]

I'm surprised Francis returned to the Rockets. I thought he would sign with the Heat, where he would have started for sure.

The Rockets have a ton of PGs now. I guess Skip is the odd man out, and will likely be traded. I assume James or Francis will start.

Rockets will be improved, but they still won't be able to compete with either the Spurs, Suns, or Mavs. I would say that they'll be the 4th best team in the West next season, barring any injuries to TMAC or Yao.

Francis has been a total enigma since he was traded to the Magic, and then the Knicks. He showed glimpses of the old Stevie Franchise, but he was mostly bad. He did start to play well late in the season with the Knicks. It'll be interesting to see how he produces with team he had his best years with.

[brantonli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAfCIul0eU

Kblaze must agree with this trade right?

[gibbo3000]

i don't really know anything about scola, what type of player is he

a scorer, defender, finese?
is he a project or good now?

[Rockets(T-mac)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAfCIul0eU

Kblaze must agree with this trade right?
Too bad the player in that video is no more.

[G-train]

i don't really know anything about scola, what type of player is he

a scorer, defender, finese?
is he a project or good now?

He is a 6'9 power forward
I would describe him as an athletic Oberto - right now.

[yeaaaman]

Unless if he gets into shape..I don't expect Francis to average 30 or more mpg with the Rockets in this upcoming season..


Its a risky signing..

hows that risky?? someone said they're paying him something like 2.5 million, thats not risky at all... risky is rashard lewis or jason kapono signings

[G-train]

I was at the Olympics when Argentina won gold and he played quite well, teaming with Manu and Oberto

[TMac&Luther]

Too bad the player in that video is no more.

You ever stopped to think maybe Francis wasn't motivated to play for Orlando or the Knicks. He pratically cried when Houston traded him, he always loved H-town.

[el_locoteee]

You ever stopped to think maybe Francis wasn't motivated to play for Orlando or the Knicks. He pratically cried when Houston traded him, he always loved H-town.

He was playing good in Orlando until they trade Cutino then he stop playing wining basketball and playing me me basketball. In NY he was hurt most of the time and that team was a joke.

[ElPigto]

Too bad the player in that video is no more.

Look, I understand you pessimistic views, but you keep bugging that we have this many guards and that we still need a power forward, etc, etc.

Have you not been seeing the way Daryl Morey has worked? I think by now he can earn our trust because he has been very active, and there is still some kinks in our roster work out.

Rafer Alston is gone. Even he said so himself on sports 790 this afternoon. Luther Head might not be here next season. JLIII is probably going to the Hornets. Aaron Brooks is going to need time, and we have time to wait for now.

So what? Now we have two ball hogging PG's right? Well lets remember, Tracy is still in our team. Tracy can still make plays and can still play the facilitator when it is important. This offense that Rick Adelman is going to run is going to ask for Yao and Scola to make decisions with the ball, not just the point guard. I'm sure when James or Francis have the ball in their hands, they aren't going to keep it for 15 seconds straight. It's a motion offense and the ball will be forced to move for them to be effective.

Perhaps we can still get a power forward who is proven in the NBA because now we actually have some pieces that we can actually trade. Who said the offseason is over man? You just need to relax and trust in Daryl Morey. He has proven that he can have our trust, but like I said you need to have patience and see how everything is going to be worked out, because of now, this roster will not stay like this.

Perhaps we will give up Chucky Hayes in a sign and trade, or perhaps we will trade Rafer, Luther and Sura's contract to some other team looking for a point guard and shooter. Trust me, this team now has options, and as fans we need to be patient and watch them unfold.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Look, I understand you pessimistic views, but you keep bugging that we have this many guards and that we still need a power forward, etc, etc.

Have you not been seeing the way Daryl Morey has worked? I think by now he can earn our trust because he has been very active, and there is still some kinks in our roster work out.

Rafer Alston is gone. Even he said so himself on sports 790 this afternoon. Luther Head might not be here next season. JLIII is probably going to the Hornets. Aaron Brooks is going to need time, and we have time to wait for now.

So what? Now we have two ball hogging PG's right? Well lets remember, Tracy is still in our team. Tracy can still make plays and can still play the facilitator when it is important. This offense that Rick Adelman is going to run is going to ask for Yao and Scola to make decisions with the ball, not just the point guard. I'm sure when James or Francis have the ball in their hands, they aren't going to keep it for 15 seconds straight. It's a motion offense and the ball will be forced to move for them to be effective.

Perhaps we can still get a power forward who is proven in the NBA because now we actually have some pieces that we can actually trade. Who said the offseason is over man? You just need to relax and trust in Daryl Morey. He has proven that he can have our trust, but like I said you need to have patience and see how everything is going to be worked out, because of now, this roster will not stay like this.

Perhaps we will give up Chucky Hayes in a sign and trade, or perhaps we will trade Rafer, Luther and Sura's contract to some other team looking for a point guard and shooter. Trust me, this team now has options, and as fans we need to be patient and watch them unfold.
Hey I never said that this signing him made the team worse, just that I didn't understand it since we had a lot of PGs. The Rockets are better team now I understand that, it was just sudden that this happened. Yeah there is still a lot of off season left like you said so it is almost guaranteed that there will be more moves. I am starting to trust Morey more now.

They fact that Francis was a former Rockets and we got him back when it looked like we really didn't need a PG made the move look like it was just rash and pointless. Thats why my first reaction was negitive. I'm still not completely sure about this but since there is still plenty of time to do other moves I guess I'm ok with it. I just want to see this team play, more badly than ever.

[SCREWstonRockets]

They fact that Francis was a former Rockets and we got him back when it looked like we really didn't need a PG made the move look like it was just rash and pointless.
One of our biggest problems was that we lacked offensive power. T-Mac and Yao were the only players that could create now their own shot. Now, with Francis, James, Bonzi and even Scola, teams can no longer focus their defense on their two stars. The double/triple teams that Yao gets, those will happen less since it wouldn't be wise to leave one of our scorers open. This signing makes it easier on both T-Mac and Yao on the offensive end. Not to mention if either of them go down, which i doubt, we would still have some guys out there they can score points.

[El Kabong]

One of our biggest problems was that we lacked offensive power. T-Mac and Yao were the only players that could create now their own shot. Now, with Francis, James, Bonzi and even Scola, teams can no longer focus their defense on their two stars. The double/triple teams that Yao gets, those will happen less since it wouldn't be wise to leave one of our scorers open. This signing makes it easier on both T-Mac and Yao on the offensive end. Not to mention if either of them go down, which i doubt, we would still have some guys out there they can score points.
Yep, one of the biggest reasons Houston didn't get past Utah in the playoffs was because Yao and T-Mac were the only ones on the team who scored consistently throughout the series. Bonzi, James and Francis can all fill it up if needed.

[Y2Gezee]

The Rox have a really good starting lineup, and well now should be able to score some points. But with the coaching change and the slow system that obviously helped their defense going with it, I wonder how good their D will be. I think it will be good, but not nearly as good as last year.

Great move for the Rox. I wish he'd have gone to the Heat. The West gets stronger and stronger, and the East weaker and weaker. Just isn't right

[Ace]

Too bad the player in that video is no more.

Same could be said about McGrady when watching an orlando magic T-Mac mix...

[Se]

If these guys click, I dont see how any team can beat them, especially once they trade Alston for someone that can help up front.

CT: Ming/ Mutumbo/ Butler
PF: Scola/ Hayes
SF: Battier/ Wells/ Novak
SG: McGrady/ Head
PG: James/ Francis/ Brooks

and Alston (and Lucas III) for a kick arse forward/ center.

PJ Brown would be a great fit, Joe Smith would have been real nice too.

[Darsh]

[quote=Se

[Se]

Typing it up, I forgot they had Battier. Great guy that holds this team together.

Rockets are going to kick arse. They can throw so many different lineups out there. Sura's expirer along with Alston and a pick could nab them a very very good player.

[fatboy11]

I think we're fine at PF so long as we re-sign Chuck.

PF: Scola/Hayes/Landry/Novak

That'll work.

As far as I'm concerned, we could just give Rafer Alston away at this point. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be, but we have far better options now. He's useless to us now.

[Darkess]

That really is an awesome lineup, especially considering they will probably find a decent PF without too much trouble.

One thing that stands out to me is that they have some pretty experienced guys as well, which will be very useful come playoffs.

Unfortunately for them, experience doesn't matter much unless you learn from it. I think it's fairly safe to say T-Mac's experience isn't worth much.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I think we're fine at PF so long as we re-sign Chuck.

PF: Scola/Hayes/Landry/Novak

That'll work.

As far as I'm concerned, we could just give Rafer Alston away at this point. He isn't as bad as people make him out to be, but we have far better options now. He's useless to us now.
Yeah we have some PFs but they undersized. Hayes 6-6, Laundry 6-7 and Scola 6-9. I think if we can get a center or PF that can rebound well and bang inside for Alston and Lucas we are set.

[ElPigto]

I think renouncing Chucky's rights and trying to get Udonis Haslem would be an even better move.

Just a suggestion though.

[Chrono90]

just to dream about it, imagine they get garnet :D

francis, tmac, battier, KG, Yao

[fatboy11]

Yeah we have some PFs but they undersized. Hayes 6-6, Laundry 6-7 and Scola 6-9. I think if we can get a center or PF that can rebound well and bang inside for Alston and Lucas we are set.You just described Jackie Butler.

Jackie Butler is a Rocket.

[clipps]

i think ther rockets should start

G Mike James
G Steve Francis
F Shane Battier
F Tracy McGrady
C Yao Ming

The center is 7'6, so they should put him in the post and play a perimeter game around him.

That lineup never wins a title.