the more dominant a player is the less he will pass the ball

[HunterSThompson]

that retarded kawhi fan just posted some best assisting season thing where he compared his mute ptsd survivor boyfriend to the great kobe bryant. I noticed he left off kobes best 4 seasons. which got me thinking. are a players top assisting seasons just a sign of their decline or inability to dominate?


lebron highest assisting season was 2020 at 10.2 ( the year anthony davis carried him all season and through the first 3 rounds. the tail end of his career ) and btw in the finals when he took over he averaged 8.5


lebrons 3rd lowest assisting season was 2012 at 6.2. (IMO his absolute most dominant version. the beast on the block. jumping over guys and completely unstoppable )



for jordan his highest assist percentages was 88,89,90 and 2002 when he couldn't shoot or was old and 96, 97, 98 were 3 of his lowest assisting seasons when he was basically money from mid range and winning nonstop



so when kobe/lebron/jordan passed more often it usually meant they had to cause they were limited offensively or had no stamina left

remember in 2013 when kobe was playing a ton of minutes and about to rip his Achilles in half in year 17.. he was dropping near 10 assist games for an entire month. it's cause he was an old man that couldn't carry the load anymore like 06 and 07


wilt was the same way. he got old and less dominant and suddenly the guys leading the league in assists

and isn't it a coincidence that Westbrook suddenly started gunning for triple doubles after his athleticism started to decline. talk about compensating for a dickless ..I mean dunkless repertoire


birds highest = 87/90/92 ( back problems )
birds lowest = 80/81/82/83



pure and simple.. passing is for bums

[RRR3]

Famously non dominant player Magic Johnson

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron's highest APG in the playoffs was 9 in 2018, where he was also averaging 34 ppg.

[HunterSThompson]

Famously non dominant player Magic Johnson

which version of magic johnson was more dominant


89/90/91 magic (his highest assist percentages years with zero rings and 1 finals getting owned by scottie pippen )

or 80/81/82 magic (his lowest assisting percentages years with 2 titles/2 fmvps )

[RRR3]

which version of magic johnson was more dominant


89/90/91 magic (his highest assist percentages years with zero rings and 1 finals getting owned by scottie pippen )

or 80/81/82 magic (his lowest assisting percentages years with 2 titles/2 fmvps )
His peak years were like 87-90 you retard.

[HunterSThompson]

LeBron's highest APG in the playoffs was 9 in 2018, where he was also averaging 34 ppg.

and the n*gga got swept in the finals and only got there through a rigged series vs Lance Stephensons Pacers and another rigged series vs Tatums Celtics. 2 of the worst officiated series in history

a stat padding overrated trash can on his last legs before the 2019 exposure

[HunterSThompson]

His peak years were like 87-90 you retard.

no you're thinking of the Lakers peak when James worthy was at his peak carrying the team offensively

[Johnny32]

lol another borderline retarded topic from griff.

[HunterSThompson]

lol another borderline retarded topic from griff.

Iverson highest assist percentages = 04,05,06

lowest = 00,01

:lol

[RRR3]

no you're thinking of the Lakers peak when James worthy was at his peak carrying the team offensively
You have the intelligence of a rodent.

[1987_Lakers]

no you're thinking of the Lakers peak when James worthy was at his peak carrying the team offensively

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen you type. I hope you are trolling.

[HunterSThompson]

Durant highest assist percentages seasons = 2021 and 2022


post Achilles rupture

:roll:

[HunterSThompson]

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen you type. I hope you are trolling.

sorry but I said 89/90/91 were magics highest assist percentages seasons.

and I said his 80/81/82 years were in fact better... I wasn't the one lumping in 87 and 88... that was Retardx3


and i simply said his assists were high those years cause James worthy was peaking. I didn't say those years weren't magics best. and they were in part somewhat to do with how dominant his team was

[HunterSThompson]

and btw. i said the more dominant a player is the less they pass. so while magic could be considered a better player around 87/88 he wasnt quite as dominant scoring the ball in his later years which forced him to pass the ball more...

https://i.ibb.co/YZhMysT/Screenshot-20211231-105421-Gallery.jpg

[HunterSThompson]

"b-b-b-but maaaaagic"





2 seconds later... ruined...ghost town

:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

which version of magic johnson was more dominant


89/90/91 magic (his highest assist percentages years with zero rings and 1 finals getting owned by scottie pippen )

or 80/81/82 magic (his lowest assisting percentages years with 2 titles/2 fmvps )

That argument is so terrible I legitimately thought someone had made it as a parody of what you were trying to say then looked to the left and realized you said it yourself.

there must be 50 examples you could’ve used and you chose one that made the exact opposite of your point. It’s a point that could be made but you did your very best not to make it

[ELITEpower23]

lol another borderline retarded topic from griff.

[SouBeachTalents]

Let's take a look at playoff runs during seasons/stretches of years often considered a players peak

1991 Jordan: 8.4 apg, .1 less than his career high as a rookie in a 3 game series

1967 Wilt: 9 apg, playoff career high

2001-2003 Duncan: Had his 3 highest apg averages during what is widely considered his peak seasons

1986 Bird: 8.2 apg, .6 less than his career high past his prime in a 5 game series in '90

1993-1995 Hakeem: Had his 3 highest apg averages during what is widely considered one of the most dominant stretches of play ever

As you can see there does seem to be a strong correlation between dominating and passing the ball less, OP's right on the money once again :applause:

[1987_Lakers]

"b-b-b-but maaaaagic"





2 seconds later... ruined...ghost town

:roll:

No one is responding because your argument is flat out dumb.

https://c.tenor.com/LW40JVVI7uQAAAAd/stupid-berserk.gif

[ELITEpower23]

I'll make this ez for you OP

Kobe cant pass and has mediocre Basketball IQ

LeBron is an elite level passer with GOAT IQ

This is why Kobe doesn't pass. It just isn't in his wheelhouse. Dont try to mask weaknesses with dumb excuses :oldlol:

hE doNt pAsS cUz hE tOo gOoD oF a sHoOtER

But LeBron still scores more than Kobe and on a much better %.

oH dAmn mY oTtAwA aSs iS oWnEd aGaiN

[SouBeachTalents]

Now THIS is dominating basketball


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDpobypzSo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcGwRtYWI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9YLH8ao4KA

[HunterSThompson]

That argument is so terrible I legitimately thought someone had made it as a parody of what you were trying to say then looked to the left and realized you said it yourself.

there must be 50 examples you could’ve used and you chose one that made the exact opposite of your point. It’s a point that could be made but you did your very best not to make it

apparently scoring dominance is being confused with overall ability. magic was more athletic and dominant at scoring around the basket early on in his career. his efficiency was far greater the first half.. the 2nd half while better overall he wasn't very athletic and had bad legs. he was more of a back down dribbler than ever and would basically start doing it full court to keep from getting stripped. he wasn't dunking much and shot more outside. and he ran the offense mostly through worthy. he wasn't going off for 40 like he was as a young player.


that was when he passed less on average. I'm not saying magic was ever a guy that didn't pass or could score like the best of them. but he definitely passed more as he got older and deferred more which is why worthy got finals mvp.

using magic as an example to refute my original argument is basic and lazy. I gave plenty of examples. and you stupid ****s think magic johnson. a guy who was an anomaly and basically unique to the game of basketball is proof that a player can be dominant and assist a ton. sorry but the highest assist guys almost never win mvp or finals mvp or championships period. the most dominant scorers/2 way players are always the guys left standing at the end.


don't argue with me for the sake of arguing. use your f*cking brains

[HunterSThompson]

I'll make this ez for you OP

Kobe cant pass and has mediocre Basketball IQ

LeBron is an elite level passer with GOAT IQ

This is why Kobe doesn't pass. It just isn't in his wheelhouse. Dont try to mask weaknesses with dumb excuses :oldlol:

hE doNt pAsS cUz hE tOo gOoD oF a sHoOtER

But LeBron still scores more than Kobe and on a much better %.

oH dAmn mY oTtAwA aSs iS oWnEd aGaiN

when kobe wasn't scoring he made the smart pass that led to an assist for someone else most of the time. his IQ for offensive systems was far higher than a ball pounding bran ball/Harden ball/westbrick ball monkey system for guys that cant move without the ball

[Full Court]

that retarded kawhi fan just posted some best assisting season thing where he compared his mute ptsd survivor boyfriend to the great kobe bryant. I noticed he left off kobes best 4 seasons. which got me thinking. are a players top assisting seasons just a sign of their decline or inability to dominate?


lebron highest assisting season was 2020 at 10.2 ( the year anthony davis carried him all season and through the first 3 rounds. the tail end of his career ) and btw in the finals when he took over he averaged 8.5


lebrons 3rd lowest assisting season was 2012 at 6.2. (IMO his absolute most dominant version. the beast on the block. jumping over guys and completely unstoppable )



for jordan his highest assist percentages was 88,89,90 and 2002 when he couldn't shoot or was old and 96, 97, 98 were 3 of his lowest assisting seasons when he was basically money from mid range and winning nonstop



so when kobe/lebron/jordan passed more often it usually meant they had to cause they were limited offensively or had no stamina left

remember in 2013 when kobe was playing a ton of minutes and about to rip his Achilles in half in year 17.. he was dropping near 10 assist games for an entire month. it's cause he was an old man that couldn't carry the load anymore like 06 and 07


wilt was the same way. he got old and less dominant and suddenly the guys leading the league in assists

and isn't it a coincidence that Westbrook suddenly started gunning for triple doubles after his athleticism started to decline. talk about compensating for a dickless ..I mean dunkless repertoire


birds highest = 87/90/92 ( back problems )
birds lowest = 80/81/82/83



pure and simple.. passing is for bums

I can't agree with this. At all. Good ball movement is the highest level of team basketball.

"Passing is for bums" is just silly.

And the raw assist numbers don't tell the whole story either. Higher assist numbers don't necessarily mean better ball movement. For example, if, during the 24 seconds a team has to make a shot, James Harden dribbles for 22 of them, and then passes to someone who is forced to put up a garbage shot to beat the shot clock, that's not good ball movement - even though he may end the game with 8 or 9 assists. (fortunately for him, he has Durant who can actually score pretty frequently in those scenarios)

You can have great ball movement leading up to the final scoring play of a possession, and then score without anyone getting an assist. That requires passing though.

[HunterSThompson]

Now THIS is dominating basketball


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDpobypzSo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcGwRtYWI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9YLH8ao4KA

cherry picking a year full of surgeries/injuries/fueds with a torn shoulder/torn knee that just had a miscarriage and was going through a possible divorce and getting blamed for Phil Jackson's daughters rape encounter cause he shared his skin color. fighting fir shots with Shaq cause of an impending break up cause shaq blamed Kobe for the police leaking an interrogation to the media.

yeah that's fair. let's just judge Kobes entire career of scoring dominance on his lowest scoring season and most drama filled year of his life that nearly had him sent to prison. that's smart. good job. tell us more

[HunterSThompson]

I can't agree with this. At all. Good ball movement is the highest level of team basketball.

"Passing is for bums" is just silly.

And the raw assist numbers don't tell the whole story either. Higher assist numbers don't necessarily mean better ball movement. For example, if, during the 24 seconds a team has to make a shot, James Harden dribbles for 22 of them, and then passes to someone who is forced to put up a garbage shot to beat the shot clock, that's not good ball movement - even though he may end the game with 8 or 9 assists. (fortunately for him, he has Durant who can actually score pretty frequently in those scenarios)

You can have great ball movement leading up to the final scoring play of a possession, and then score without anyone getting an assist. That requires passing though.

good ball movement is fine. forcing assists or passing up shots out of fear isn't.

I'm not saying a guy that's limited shouldn't pass. that's a smart play. I'm saying a guy who's extra dominant should shoot more and will shoot less as he declines.

so it was smart for the guys I mentioned to pass more later in their years or before they got good. I'm just saying passing more is a sign that they're less dominant at scoring. that is a fact. you can't even argue it. why would a guy that's money at scoring pass for 10 assists a game lmao

when lebron was at his peak he averaged 6-7 apg for a reason. he was unstoppable at getting to the rim

[HunterSThompson]

kobes 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008 seasons aren't even in his top 5 assist percentage years. hmmm I WONDER F*CKING WHY

"duuuur it's cuz kober was a chuckerrrrr duuuur he didn't know shootyhoops like bran!"

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

apparently scoring dominance is being confused with overall ability. magic was more athletic and dominant at scoring around the basket early on in his career. his efficiency was far greater the first half.. the 2nd half while better overall he wasn't very athletic and had bad legs. he was more of a back down dribbler than ever and would basically start doing it full court to keep from getting stripped. he wasn't dunking much and shot more outside. and he ran the offense mostly through worthy. he wasn't going off for 40 like he was as a young player.


that was when he passed less on average. I'm not saying magic was ever a guy that didn't pass or could score like the best of them. but he definitely passed more as he got older and deferred more which is why worthy got finals mvp.

using magic as an example to refute my original argument is basic and lazy. I gave plenty of examples. and you stupid ****s think magic johnson. a guy who was an anomaly and basically unique to the game of basketball is proof that a player can be dominant and assist a ton. sorry but the highest assist guys almost never win mvp or finals mvp or championships period. the most dominant scorers/2 way players are always the guys left standing at the end.


don't argue with me for the sake of arguing. use your f*cking brains

Magic only has like 6 40 point games in his entire career, 4 of them happened from '87-'89.

The fact that you make is sound like Magic was dropping 40 points on the regular when he was younger is amusing to say the least.

[MadDog]

Magic's most dominant years were probably in the late 80s. When Bird's health began to wane. With Kareem on the verge of retiring, Magic's scoring was up and he was doing more with less. In the 90 playoffs (first run without Kareem) Magic averaged like 30/12/6 vs the Suns and had back to back 40 point games. In-terms of raw and dominant scoring, his production was never better.

[HunterSThompson]

Magic only has like 6 40 point games in his entire career, 4 of them happened from '87-'89.

The fact that you make is sound like Magic was dropping 40 points on the regular when he was younger is amusing to say the least.

1980 - 42 points vs philly
1981 - 41 points vs Utah
1982 - 40 points vs Detroit


got anymore lies for us Steve?


but ok they were about even. but the efficiency like I posted before was a clear example of Magic being less dominant inside

he lost a ton of athleticism later on. you can't argue with this. and I dunno why I can name 15 or 20 guys and all you guys have to go to is Magic lmao


maybe it's cause I'm right

[HunterSThompson]

Magic's most dominant years were probably in the late 80s. When Bird's health began to wane. With Kareem on the verge of retiring, Magic's scoring was up and he was doing more with less. In the 90 playoffs (first run without Kareem) Magic averaged like 30/12/6 vs the Suns and had back to back 40 point games. In-terms of raw and dominant scoring, his production was never better.

how did this thread turn into a "Magic Johnson is proof that every player that passes a ton is more dominant than a guy that scores a ton


Magic was one of a kind you f*cking idiots lol

[Kblaze8855]

apparently scoring dominance is being confused with overall ability. magic was more athletic and dominant at scoring around the basket early on in his career. his efficiency was far greater the first half.. the 2nd half while better overall he wasn't very athletic and had bad legs. he was more of a back down dribbler than ever and would basically start doing it full court to keep from getting stripped. he wasn't dunking much and shot more outside. and he ran the offense mostly through worthy. he wasn't going off for 40 like he was as a young player.


that was when he passed less on average. I'm not saying magic was ever a guy that didn't pass or could score like the best of them. but he definitely passed more as he got older and deferred more which is why worthy got finals mvp.

using magic as an example to refute my original argument is basic and lazy. I gave plenty of examples. and you stupid ****s think magic johnson. a guy who was an anomaly and basically unique to the game of basketball is proof that a player can be dominant and assist a ton. sorry but the highest assist guys almost never win mvp or finals mvp or championships period. the most dominant scorers/2 way players are always the guys left standing at the end.


don't argue with me for the sake of arguing. use your f*cking brains


It’s rare for anyone to make it this obvious they have no idea how the person they are talking about played. Do you not realize some of us actually watched Magic Johnson play? That we saw when he started scoring? Magic Johnson scored in the time you were talking about him becoming a passer. He scored MORE after the early to mid 80s. Kareem and Pat Riley actually had a meeting with him about handing over the reigns in what I believe was 1986. I learned that much later but it sounded right considering he suddenly started scoring from then on.

Late 80s and early 90s Magic was a far more aggressive scorer. More aggressive everything. It was Kareems team before that. Like I said….your point could be made. But you picked the wrong guy and now you’re gonna die on the hill when you could just find a new example.

[HunterSThompson]

It’s rare for anyone to make it this obvious they have no idea how the person they are talking about played. Do you not realize some of us actually watched Magic Johnson play? That we saw when he started scoring? Magic Johnson scored in the time you were talking about him becoming a passer. He scored MORE after the early to mid 80s. Kareem and Pat Riley actually had a meeting with him about handing over the reigns in what I believe was 1986. I learned that much later but it sounded right considering he suddenly started scoring from then on.

Late 80s and early 90s Magic was a far more aggressive scorer. More aggressive everything. It was Kareems team before that. Like I said….your point could be made. But you picked the wrong guy and now you’re gonna die on the hill when you could just find a new example.

another Magic post. hey guys. try proving that any other guy. literally anyone ever.. was better at scoring when they passed more. Jesus ****ing christ

[MadDog]

how did this thread turn into a "Magic Johnson is proof that every player that passes a ton is more dominant than a guy that scores a ton


Magic was one of a kind you f*cking idiots lol

Are you feeling alright? :confusedshrug: Where in my post did I imply that? I simply said Magic's most dominant scoring reign was in the late 80s. And in the playoffs, probably 1990.

[Johnny32]

lebron is currently averaging his most ppg since 2010 and lowest apg since 2014. are we seeing a new peak from king james? i've changed my mind...great topic griff.

[SouBeachTalents]

Let's take a look at playoff runs during seasons/stretches of years often considered a players peak

1991 Jordan: 8.4 apg, .1 less than his career high as a rookie in a 3 game series

1967 Wilt: 9 apg, playoff career high

2001-2003 Duncan: Had his 3 highest apg averages during what is widely considered his peak seasons

1986 Bird: 8.2 apg, .6 less than his career high past his prime in a 5 game series in '90

1993-1995 Hakeem: Had his 3 highest apg averages during what is widely considered one of the most dominant stretches of play ever

As you can see there does seem to be a strong correlation between dominating and passing the ball less, OP's right on the money once again :applause:
Does OP have any explanation for this?

[1987_Lakers]

1980 - 42 points vs philly
1981 - 41 points vs Utah
1982 - 40 points vs Detroit



Oh, you want to include postseason?

'87-'90.

RS 40 point games: 4
PS 40 point games: 2

So he had 6 40 point games from '87-'90.

Tell me again he "wasn't dropping 40 point games like in his younger days anymore" retard.

[HunterSThompson]

point if thread


if you pass more.. you're usually if not 99.9% of the time a less dominant scoring version of yourself


with the one possible 0.1% of the time your name is Magic Johnson lol

and even then it's debatable because he shot way worse during his peak. so tackle that one. I'm gonna go take a shit

[1987_Lakers]

but ok they were about even. but the efficiency like I posted before was a clear example of Magic being less dominant inside

he lost a ton of athleticism later on. you can't argue with this. and I dunno why I can name 15 or 20 guys and all you guys have to go to is Magic lmao


maybe it's cause I'm right

Magic had a higher TS% in the late 80's than he did in his first 3 years in the NBA, you completely left out the fact that Magic improved his jumper and added a post game as he aged. Typical.

[Kblaze8855]

another Magic post. hey guys. try proving that any other guy. literally anyone ever.. was better at scoring when they passed more. Jesus ****ing christ

Don’t make ridiculous points if you don’t want people to harp on them. You obviously want to talk about Kobe and LeBron and I have no interest in that bullshit a few of you will sit on here all day and night fighting over. I just saw a dumb post about somebody I took a lot of interest in and legitimately thought it was someone replying to you and not you trying to make a point.

It’s just weird to see such an excellent rebuttal of one’s own point.

[MadDog]

I get what OP is saying, he just did a poor job explaining it. These Magic "arguments" are totally half-baked lol

[HunterSThompson]

Does OP have any explanation for this?

ever heard of pace (mj in the 80s had more possessions and like i said wasnt as good a shooter and the offense was way different)

ever heard of wilts playoff bedwetting moments. and during his first title year he was like 4th or 5th in scoring on his team for the finals lol. he just had a ton of help that year. those weren't his dominant scoring years like early on

for Duncan he was never really a dominant scorer. always more or a team guy.

I already gave the bird examples in my OP. and again he's another guy on a stacked roster that basically had to pass cause he had so many other weapons. I think McHale averaged 25ppg in the finals that year.

and hakeem was getting doubled almost every time. he had to pass. for post players it can be tricky. they can't just isolate and break through a double team like a perimeter guy

[1987_Lakers]

I get what OP is saying, he just did a poor job explaining it. These Magic "arguments" are totally half-baked lol

I thought it was common knowledge Magic peaked as a scorer from '87-'90. lol.

[HunterSThompson]

Don’t make ridiculous points if you don’t want people to harp on them. You obviously want to talk about Kobe and LeBron and I have no interest in that bullshit a few of you will sit on here all day and night fighting over. I just saw a dumb post about somebody I took a lot of interest in and legitimately thought it was someone replying to you and not you trying to make a point.

It’s just weird to see such an excellent rebuttal of one’s own point.

I still think magic was a more dominant scorer his first half of his career. his percentages were way higher and he was winning multiple finals mvps and playing center with Kareem out. regardless of his all around play becoming better and him shooting more later on that doesn't take away the fact that he was shooting way higher fg% his first 5-6 years in the league. he was way quicker and dunked. I think he could have been a dominant post scorer early on like 25 to 30ppg if that's all he focused on.

but again this is an anomaly and an isolated argument because magic was one of a kind and 99% of the time when a guy becomes a more dominant scorer he passes less. I actually can't ****ing believe you guys are even arguing this. it's like you wanna prove the earth is flat just because it's me saying it's round.

[HunterSThompson]

I thought it was common knowledge Magic peaked as a scorer from '87-'90. lol.

as an all around player sure. as a post scorer? athlete? dominant inside? young magic was better and would have averaged more points if he had more opportunities but Kareem kinda took away most of them

magic was a better outside shooter later on. but he didn't exactly light it up from deep very often did he.

[Phoenix]

which version of magic johnson was more dominant


89/90/91 magic (his highest assist percentages years with zero rings and 1 finals getting owned by scottie pippen )

or 80/81/82 magic (his lowest assisting percentages years with 2 titles/2 fmvps )

80/81/82 Magic was playing with a still MVP level Kareem. 89/90/91 Magic was playing with Vlade Divac. That may have something to do with the chips won/not won in those periods. On the flipside, you're saying Magic was more dominant in 80/81/82 but 2 of his 3 MVP seasons were in 89 and 90.

This is one of those 'I'm having fun by creating stupid threads to draw people in', yeah? Kudos, you did it. What's next, telling us you're winning at life because you bought more Lebron cards? I otherwise don't believe even you agree with the stupid shit you typed here.

[TheCorporation]

80/81/82 Magic was playing with a still MVP level Kareem. 89/90/91 Magic was playing with Vlade Divac. That may have something to do with the chips won/not won in those periods. On the flipside, you're saying Magic was more dominant in 80/81/92 but 2 of his 3 MVP seasons were in 89 and 90.

This is one of those 'I'm having fun by creating stupid threads to draw people in', yeah? Kudos, you did it. What's next, telling us you're winning at life because you bought more Lebron cards? I otherwise don't believe even you agree with the stupid shit you typed here.

:roll::roll:

[TheCorporation]

Kenny,

You're the obnoxiously unaware little kid that's perpetually fighting to "one-up" someone by proving that he's "right" but the problem is you're never right. Ever. And your ill-prepared, forced attempts at finding a clever aha-moment are comically painful to watch as you sputter out, getting shot down with relative ease within seconds of each desperate attempt.

-Management

[HunterSThompson]

ISH: where the more dominant you are at scoring. the more you pass

be there!

[1987_Lakers]

he wasn't going off for 40 like he was as a young player.




Oh, you want to include postseason?

'87-'90.

RS 40 point games: 4
PS 40 point games: 2

So he had 6 40 point games from '87-'90.

Tell me again he "wasn't dropping 40 point games like in his younger days anymore" retard.

Can you admit you were flat out wrong?

[FKAri]

...a year full of surgeries/injuries/fueds with a torn shoulder/torn knee that just had a miscarriage and was going through a possible divorce and getting blamed for Phil Jackson's daughters rape encounter cause he shared his skin color. fighting fir shots with Shaq cause of an impending break up cause shaq blamed Kobe for the police leaking an interrogation to the media...

What a diarrhea of excuses. Coincidentally, also a perfect summary of kenny's pathetic life.

[3ba11]

LeBron's highest APG in the playoffs was 9 in 2018, where he was also averaging 34 ppg.


Against lottery teams

He basically had 3 straight 1st Round opponents and struggled mightily with them

Lebron/Love went 7 games with 0-star teams

[Johnny32]

Against lottery teams

He basically had 3 straight 1st Round opponents and struggled mightily with them

Lebron/Love went 7 games with 0-star teams

tatum and brown would be top 5 wings in the late 90s lol.

[Phoenix]

I'm imagining this sound effect going off in 3bot's head every time L E B R O N is mentioned:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo1Oi2bilag

[1987_Lakers]

Against lottery teams

He basically had 3 straight 1st Round opponents and struggled mightily with them

Lebron/Love went 7 games with 0-star teams

Look at this f@ggot. Always uses SRS to determine how good a team is (Like the '89 Cavs) but then goes ahead and calls the 2018 Raptors who had the #2 SRS a lottery team.

Also ignored the fact that LeBron came back from being down 3-2 WITHOUT Love vs Boston while also putting up historic numbers.

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm imagining this sound effect going off in 3bot's head every time L E B R O N is mentioned:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo1Oi2bilag
:roll:

Same goes with Pippen

[John_Connor]

https://voca.ro/17poKb4TArHQ

OP got these boyz seizuring and crapping their pants

:roll:

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

The triangle offense was all about passing the ball and sharing with your teammates, that's what phil jackson would preach more then anything. Also had the best low post scorer in the world shaq 00-02 or pau 08-10.

You want to see a 1 man show, go watch kawhi's 2019 run

[1987_Lakers]

Live look at OP.

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/NWG5FY7GQRHMZER56WYGAIXLT4.jpg

[Phoenix]

https://voca.ro/17poKb4TArHQ

OP got these boyz seizuring and crapping their pants

:roll:

You're not a well-adjusted human being.

[Phoenix]

Live look at OP.

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/NWG5FY7GQRHMZER56WYGAIXLT4.jpg

That's what you found? My search found this:

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/excrement-dog-on-floor-shit-on-the-street-shit-of-dog-on-the-street-picture-id1207127922?k=20&m=1207127922&s=612x612&w=0&h=WJ2eCoghFlbIT_mngrXhVCtk3eV7gWZEvcj1SVRpzKk=

[HunterSThompson]

Live look at OP.

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/NWG5FY7GQRHMZER56WYGAIXLT4.jpg

the more dominant a player is at scoring the less he will pass the ball


you trying to disprove this only put yourself in the hospital where the padded rooms are. you and every other retard here literally could only focus on magic johnson as the one guy in history that passed as much or more when his scoring went up. bit his percentages went way down. he was a better player overall yes and could shoot outside better but his job was to pass regardless of his own scor8ng ability due to the Lakers having a literal dream team surrounding him. that was basically an isolated case unique to magic and his alone. he's one of the only high volume assist guys to win a ton of rings as his teams best player. you didn't prove me wrong. my point is inarguable.


the better a guy is at scoring the more he will score and the less he will pass 99.9% of the time. period. I win because this is common sense.

you're a clown for even trying to argue with this fact

[1987_Lakers]

he wasn't going off for 40 like he was as a young player.




Oh, you want to include postseason?

'87-'90.

RS 40 point games: 4
PS 40 point games: 2

So he had 6 40 point games from '87-'90.

Tell me again he "wasn't dropping 40 point games like in his younger days anymore" retard.

OP right after...

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/NWG5FY7GQRHMZER56WYGAIXLT4.jpg

[1987_Lakers]

you trying to disprove this only put yourself in the hospital where the padded rooms are. you and every other retard here literally could only focus on magic johnson

This was you on page 1.


"b-b-b-but maaaaagic"





2 seconds later... ruined...ghost town

:roll:

You went from "Ha, even Magic was a better scorer when he wasn't passing as much" to "STOP using Magic, I got owned and want to move on to other players"

[ShawkFactory]

I still think magic was a more dominant scorer his first half of his career. his percentages were way higher and he was winning multiple finals mvps and playing center with Kareem out. regardless of his all around play becoming better and him shooting more later on that doesn't take away the fact that he was shooting way higher fg% his first 5-6 years in the league. he was way quicker and dunked. I think he could have been a dominant post scorer early on like 25 to 30ppg if that's all he focused on.

but again this is an anomaly and an isolated argument because magic was one of a kind and 99% of the time when a guy becomes a more dominant scorer he passes less. I actually can't ****ing believe you guys are even arguing this. it's like you wanna prove the earth is flat just because it's me saying it's round.
No they weren't.

[HunterSThompson]

This was you on page 1.



You went from "Ha, even Magic was a better scorer when he wasn't passing as much" to "STOP using Magic, I got owned and want to move on to other players"

"duuuuuuurrrr magic joooooohnson"


"he betta scower when he pass moooor"



"I win"



this is you right now lol. dude just stop. i still say magic was a more dominant scorer inside at a young age and its why his fg% was way higher. but his passing percentage going up wasn't due to his scoring ability going up. it's because he took over the entire offense after norm Nixon was gone. they shared the playmaking role early on.

and that situation is literally 1 of a kind. there are no other magic Johnsons in the history of basketball. especially with that kind of roster. it's impossible to make a judgment on the history of the game based on one guy. try using more examples. why are you stuck on the magic johnson angle.


il tell you why. because you don't have a chance in hell at winning this debate. you're playing devils advocate and just arguing for the sake of arguing. nobody in their right mind will try and make a point that the more dominant you are at scoring the more you will pass up shots. you and kblaze and every other retard in this thread opposing this factual statement of mine just goes to show how retarded this place is

youre all just doing yourselves a disservice and lowing the integrity of insidehoops. as if it couldn't possibly get any lower

[1987_Lakers]

No they weren't.

Magic's TS% in '80-'82: 59%

Magic's TS% in '87-'90: 61%

"But, but his percentages were higher when he was younger" - Kenny :lol

[HunterSThompson]

No they weren't.


https://i.ibb.co/YZhMysT/Screenshot-20211231-105421-Gallery.jpg[/QUOTE]

what?

[Wally450]

Just like Kobe.

[1987_Lakers]

https://i.ibb.co/YZhMysT/Screenshot-20211231-105421-Gallery.jpg

what?[/QUOTE]

Now look at Magic's FT%. 78% to 88% in the late 80's. Was also getting to the FT line at a higher pace as he aged.

TS% doesn't lie.

[John_Connor]

https://voca.ro/1ALqdUAZpC9c

OP got this midget jew doing backflips

:roll:

[John_Connor]

what?

Now look at Magic's FT%. 78% to 88% in the late 80's. Was also getting to the FT line at a higher pace as he aged.

TS% doesn't lie.

free throw percentages isnt scoring dominance rat boy

[1987_Lakers]

free throw percentages isnt scoring dominance rat boy

So all of a sudden FT% doesn't count as efficiency.

Ok..lets ignore all the seasons Kobe shot around 85% from the FT line and just look at FG%

I count 8 years where he shot under 45%. 13 seasons where he shot under 46%.

Inefficient chuker.

:oldlol:

[HunterSThompson]

So all of a sudden FT% doesn't count as efficiency.

Ok..lets ignore all the seasons Kobe shot around 85% from the FT line and just look at FG%

I count 8 years where he shot under 45%. 13 seasons where he shot under 46%.

Inefficient chuker.

:oldlol:

now you're comparing an 18 to 20ppg 6'9 point forward that rarely shot contested jumpers or outside at all more than like once a game to a 6'6 shooting guard that went for 30ppg and shot almost everything contested lol

got ass f*cked into submission and resorting to changing this to another shit on kobe thread. go figure. 1 trick pony jew boy falls flat on his crooked jew nose once again. big surprise

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

now you're comparing an 18 to 20ppg 6'9 point forward that rarely shot contested jumpers or outside at all more than like once a game to a 6'6 shooting guard that went for 30ppg and shot almost everything contested lol

got ass f*cked into submission and resorting to changing this to another shit on kobe thread. go figure. 1 trick pony jew boy falls flat on his crooked jew nose once again. big surprise

:roll:

I'm not comparing the players at all, you were the one who ignored FT% and just went by FG%, you took it that route while completely forgetting the fact that your idol had a horse shit FG%.

[HunterSThompson]

I'm not comparing the players at all, you were the one who ignored FT% and just went by FG%, you took it that route while completely forgetting the fact that your idol had a horse shit FG%.

its not horse shit though. he's a high volume scoring shooting guard that took tons of threes and high contested long range shots. that's just around what percentage they shoot.

tmac shot 43%, for his career
Iverson shot 42% for his career
Gilbert arenas shot 42% for his career
ray allen shot 45% for his career
curry is shooting 43% this year
Rick Barry shot 45% for his career
jordan shot 46% his last year in Chicago
jordan shot 41% in the 96 finals
James harden shot 44% for his career


we can't all be 6'9, 280 or 7 feet like lebron and durant


and yes kobe made up for it by getting to the line. but magic wasn't a more dominant scorer just cause he got to the free throw line 1 more time a game later in his career. because that would only mean 0.1 more of a point contributed each game with his improved 10% on his 1 more free throw attempt per game lol

[RRR3]

This is a brutal thread backfire, even for kenny.

[HunterSThompson]

This is a brutal thread backfire, even for kenny.

but it's not. even if magic was a better scorer later in his career that doesn't really prove my point wrong. one guy out of how many? like thousands upon thousands. I asked for a 2nd example and the magic johnson shit just carried on for 6 pages lmao


ok even though I think magic was a more dominant scorer around the basket the first half of his career. I will concede that one guy may have passed more after becoming a better scorer...


there.. now give more examples as to how the more dominant a player gets at scoring the more he passes up shots


seriously. how is this being refuted. this is a literal comedy

[HunterSThompson]

https://i.ibb.co/VQ1yzMj/Screenshot-20211231-170839-Gallery.jpg

woops.. Jerry West assist percentage went up as he got older and peaked at the end of his career. go figure

another example.. hey anyone wanna bring up magic johnson again

:roll:

[HunterSThompson]

oh my rick barry too. nooooo waaaaaay

its like as soon as he stopped being dominant his assist percentage sky rocketed

https://i.ibb.co/hf8LZmF/Screenshot-20211231-171236-Gallery.jpg



woooooooow who woulda thought
:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

https://i.ibb.co/YZhMysT/Screenshot-20211231-105421-Gallery.jpg


Oh you use FG%.

[3ba11]

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Bird sick fall away step-back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYB8Ca4xmWU&t=04m17s

[HunterSThompson]

Oh you use FG%.


oh look. more magic johnson shit


https://youtu.be/XKp3rSbXuFY

[HunterSThompson]

https://i.ibb.co/N73qPsV/Screenshot-20211231-214346-Gallery.jpg


damn I just noticed the ref was standing over the 3 point line so if the ball hit the ref before going in the basket it woulda counted as 2.. not the 3 point play chick broadcast.