How many rings would LeBron have if he stayed with 1 team his career?

[eliteballer]

Instead of manufacturing Super Teams and jumping ship when things got Tough?

[Hey Yo]

How many would Kobe have had if he let the Nets draft him like they wanted to?

[eliteballer]

A lot, he won rings playing on one knee with pau gasol and a bunch of tier 3 players..

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe was so good he could go 6/24 in the biggest game of his life and STILL win :applause:

[3ba11]

The 2011 Cavs would've added another all-star-caliber player just like they did the previous 2 seasons and been the league favorite for the 3rd year running, while having the organic chemistry and reputed defense to beat the 1-star Mavs.

It was perfect karma that Dirk won the 1-star organic ring that Lebron thought was impossible.

So Lebron would've won in 2011, but I'm not sure he could sustain it because his brand of ball is still weak and destroys teammates - so he still can't win organically and only wins in 2011 due to weak comp (1-star Mavs)...

So I think he wins 1 chip, while future years that brought in studs like Evan Mobley or Sexton would get reduced to spot-up shooter like everyone else.

[LBJ]

Kobe would be next Kemba Walker if he stayed in Charlotte, and did not get traded.

[Hey Yo]

A lot, he won rings playing on one knee with pau gasol and a bunch of tier 3 players..

He demanded a trade after 3 mediocre seasons without Shaq. No chance he stays with the Nets his entire career.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Aside from winning the 1-star ring that was up for grabs in 2011 (abnormally-easy comp), Lebron doesn't win any more chips in Cleveland because his skillset infact prevents organic winning.

He never evolved out of offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles, and therefore never learned how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors).

[TheCorporation]

As many as or more than anyone else in the same position.

LBJ on Bulls from 85-98? 8 rings
LBJ on Lakers from 97-16? 8 rings
LBJ on Cavs from 04-21? More than anyone else in that position ever could

Next :pimp:

[3ba11]

As many as or more than anyone else in the same position.

LBJ on Bulls from 85-98? 8 rings
LBJ on Lakers from 97-16? 8 rings
LBJ on Cavs from 04-21? More than anyone else in that position ever could

Next :pimp:


Lebron never won with just a "pippen" and always needed elite 1st option studs to play sidekick for him that could match or exceed his playoff scoring if needed.. Since he needed sidekicks that can match his scoring for entire playoff runs, he certainly can't win while averaging 10-30 more than his sidekick in every SERIES like Jordan carried Pippen.

Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer because he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill, pure scoring ability or clutch to carry teams that only have 1 lower-producing all-star like Jordan did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron never won with just a "pippen" and always needed elite 1st option studs to play sidekick for him that could match or exceed his playoff scoring if needed.. Since he needed sidekicks that can match his scoring for entire playoff runs, he certainly can't win while averaging 10-30 more than his sidekick in every SERIES like Jordan carried Pippen.

Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer because he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill, pure scoring ability or clutch to carry teams that only have 1 lower-producing all-star like Jordan did.
Not for his first 2 titles.

And I guess leading your team in points, rebounds & assists for 3 titles AND outscoring your 2nd option by 10 ppg in 2013 proves LeBron never won as the clear cut top producer :lol

[3ba11]

Not for his first 2 titles.

And I guess leading your team in points, rebounds & assists for 3 titles AND outscoring your 2nd option by 10 ppg in 2013 proves LeBron never won as the clear cut top producer :lol


Lebron averaged 2-6 more than his sidekick in the Finals, compared to 10-20 for Jordan.

He always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so he never defeated max defensive attention in the Finals - he simply never carried the scoring load in the Finals, and he never carried bed-wetting teammates over any top 5 SRS teams (no carry-jobs over good teams in 2 decades).

And who cares about Lebron's low team assists (achilles heel) or Lebron, Love and Tristan getting about 10 boards each - that's a SHARED LOAD where teammates nearly match him - so only Jordan carried the load for his team (carries the scoreboard and the defensive attention).

[eliteballer]

Let’s not forget LeRoid has 2 asterisk short season rings.

[RRR3]

Elitemeltdown

[3ba11]

Actually, I think he'd get 1 in 2011 due to the abnormally-weak comp (1-star opponent in Finals), and then it would be easy to recruit a bunch of stars to join his champion, so he'd could get a lot more rings.. More than he has now

[SouBeachTalents]

So LeBron loses with Wade & Bosh against a 1 star opponent in the Finals, but he'd win with a worse team against the same competition?

https://c.tenor.com/loTzP8Ju0Q8AAAAd/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men.gif

[HunterSThompson]

How many would Kobe have had if he let the Nets draft him like they wanted to?

honestly. considering how bad the east was and that kobe only needed an 18ppg sidekick.. probably around 5 still but with way more finals appearances.. probly like 5 rings out of 9 or 10 tries

[Manny98]

Still probably wins 2 or 3 tbh and he would have been 100000x more respected by fans and peers

[Baller789]

^Probably with a better case of being the GOAT too.

[dankok8]

If he stayed in Cleveland he probably wouldn't win any. That was a team with little chance to improve because Bosh signed with Miami and there weren't really any free agents that could easily join the Cavs. The core around Lebron was Mo Williams, Delonte, Jamison, Shaq, Big Z, Anthony Parker. Mo Williams and Varejao both got hurt in 2010-11 and then weren't the same. Shaq probably would have stayed if Lebron was there but he was a shell in his last season in Boston and injured. Anthony Parker was a solid role player who was getting old. Big Z was just washed. Honestly I think Lebron carries the Cavs to the playoffs for the next few years but can't do anything with just Jamison and a few average role players. And that's precisely the problem. Lebron would keep them good enough to prevent them from drafting Kyrie but not nearly good enough to contend.

[SouBeachTalents]

If he stayed in Cleveland he probably wouldn't win any. That was a team with little chance to improve because Bosh signed with Miami and there weren't really any free agents that could easily join the Cavs. The core around Lebron was Mo Williams, Delonte, Jamison, Shaq, Big Z, Anthony Parker. Mo Williams and Varejao both got hurt in 2010-11 and then weren't the same. Shaq probably would have stayed if Lebron was there but he was a shell in his last season in Boston and injured. Anthony Parker was a solid role player who was getting old. Big Z was just washed. Honestly I think Lebron carries the Cavs to the playoffs for the next few years but can't do anything with just Jamison and a few average role players. And that's precisely the problem. Lebron would keep them good enough to prevent them from drafting Kyrie but not nearly good enough to contend.
:applause: This is precisely how things would've played out had LeBron resigned with the Cavs. No marquee free agent would ever want to play in Cleveland, the front office failed in 7 seasons to surround him with a legitimate championship cast, and due to the Cavs winning 60 games every season they'd have no chance to rebuild through the draft and get someone like a Kyrie.

You can dislike him teaming up with Wade, but what you saw in '09 & '10 would've been very likely how the next few seasons in Cleveland would've played out as well. Best case scenario, he wills them to 1 title, then all the people bitching about him leaving would be clowning him today for having zero or only one title :lol

[3ba11]

If he stayed in Cleveland he probably wouldn't win any. That was a team with little chance to improve because Bosh signed with Miami and there weren't really any free agents that could easily join the Cavs. The core around Lebron was Mo Williams, Delonte, Jamison, Shaq, Big Z, Anthony Parker. Mo Williams and Varejao both got hurt in 2010-11 and then weren't the same. Shaq probably would have stayed if Lebron was there but he was a shell in his last season in Boston and injured. Anthony Parker was a solid role player who was getting old. Big Z was just washed. Honestly I think Lebron carries the Cavs to the playoffs for the next few years but can't do anything with just Jamison and a few average role players. And that's precisely the problem. Lebron would keep them good enough to prevent them from drafting Kyrie but not nearly good enough to contend.


So based on your logic, Lebron would've had both the perfect mix of old vets and the same underdog status as the 1-star Mavs that won the title that same year?

Because after all, did Lebron really need a super-team to blitz the 11' Bulls in 5 games, with Bosh destroying the league MVP?.. Was that really necessary? Or was that overkill, and Lebron just being scared again, not wanting another young gun like Rose to knock him off again like Rondo and Dwight the prior years,.

I don't see any reason why Lebron shouldn't be the favorite over Rose in the ECF, almost regardless of cast, because those Bulls weren't the Bad Boys and Rose wasn't Isiah/Dumars (2 Rose's)

Btw, Bosh signed with Lebron only because they colluded to do so, no?.. So doesn't Lebron staying in Cleveland potentially alter that outcome?.. But again, Dirk didn't need Bosh, so why should Lebron.

[Hey Yo]

Still think that if MJ doesn't miss almost the entire 86 season, they dont end with both Pippen and Grant, just one of them.

Then there's always the "what if Boozer stayed" instead of the Cavs letting him walk due to Utah willing to overpay him.

[MadDog]

Cleveland got close to reaching the finals in 2009, and had their chances in 2010 before LeBron became complacent. Remember that mysterious elbow injury? That game 5 was weirder than the 2011 debacle. I think LeBron wins at least 2 in Cleveland. You got to think there would be a star to sign with LeBron - who people were calling the best player from 2012-2018.

[RRR3]

LeBron never would have left Cleveland if you retards didn't call him a loser for not winning a ring with Mo Williams as his sidekick, and now you whine about it nonstop lmao

[3ba11]

Still think that if MJ doesn't miss almost the entire 86 season, they dont end with both Pippen and Grant, just one of them.

Then there's always the "what if Boozer stayed" instead of the Cavs letting him walk due to Utah willing to overpay him.


There were tons of single-digit rookies like with potential like Pippen/Grant to chose from every year - MJ didn't need #1 picks or immediate stars like AD, Kyrie or Wade/Bosh/Love - borderline raw talents and single-digit rookies with potential like Kuzma, Ingram, Pippen were enough.. Any young player with potential like Paxson, Sellers, Woolridge, Oakley, Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, etc. showed year-on-year growth from the prior year or alongside Jordan.. His closing-possession style gave teammates a chance first, while also being a bailout option/assist target to use at any time in the shot clock.. The only real difference between young MJ and peak MJ was that he learned to close possessions later in the shot clock/strategically rather than right away (predictable, less ball movement, loses the attrition battle).. Turns out that iso's are actually quite deadly late in shot clocks, especially quick iso's.

[3ba11]

LeBron never would have left Cleveland if you retards didn't call him a loser for not winning a ring with Mo Williams as his sidekick, and now you whine about it nonstop lmao


Lebron wouldn't have just had Mo in 2011 - he would've had a bevy old veterans just like the 11' Mavs and been similar underdogs.

Heck, Lebron had Shaq - even though it was old Shaq - I think Jordan might win the title with old Shaq some years - that's how much better MJ was than Lebron - Lebron could never win with a "pippen" (low-producer) - and that's the Finals or a playoff run, because the 13' run was luck due to Allen, while Wade still outscored the opposing #1 option in the Finals and was near Lebron too (20 to 25).

[warriorfan]

When has LeBron ever won without colluding?

Obvious answer is zero.

[MadDog]

There were tons of single-digit rookies like with potential like Pippen/Grant to chose from every year - MJ didn't need #1 picks or immediate stars like AD, Kyrie or Wade/Bosh/Love - borderline raw talents and single-digit rookies with potential like Kuzma, Ingram, Pippen were enough.. Any young player with potential like Paxson, Sellers, Woolridge, Oakley, Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, etc. showed year-on-year growth from the prior year or alongside Jordan.. His closing-possession style gave teammates a chance first, while also being a bailout option/assist target to use at any time in the shot clock.. The only real difference between young MJ and peak MJ was that he learned to close possessions later in the shot clock/strategically rather than right away (predictable, less ball movement, loses the attrition battle).. Turns out that iso's are actually quite deadly late in shot clocks, especially quick iso's.

How do you think LeBron and Pippen would have meshed? Stylistically, can you think of a similar duo?

[Gohan]

Kobe was so good he could go 6/24 in the biggest game of his life and STILL win :applause:

Its not like boston played well either, this is a bad post and ignores obvious context

[SATAN]

It's strange how people think LeBron should have stayed at a terrible franchise.

LeBoss does whatever he wants. You guys don't get it.

[kawhileonard2]

Instead of manufacturing Super Teams and jumping ship when things got Tough?

0. He couldn't even win with prime Shaq or Prime Ben Wallace when Kobe won 3 with prime Shaq, Wade with Prime Shaq and Billups with prime Ben Wallace.

[warriorfan]

How do you think LeBron and Pippen would have meshed? Stylistically, can you think of a similar duo?

Not nearly enough “go to” scoring. Scottie was a well rounded player but he wasn’t a guy to get clutch buckets down the stretch when you needed it. That is why MJ complimented him so well. A big part of Scottie’s game was being able to handle the ball and make plays. LeBron would diminish that with his ball dominating playground style and not let Scottie use his advantages to the teams favor. Scottie was a great player don’t get me wrong, but his game had flaws and MJ was able to compensate for them very well. LeBron and Scottie would not see nearly as much success.

[Honor Boost]

One: Two Thousand Sixteen

Maybe Two: Two Thousand Eleven

If They Get Amare Stat and Defensive Help.

One Or Two Rings.

[3ba11]

LeBron never would have left Cleveland if you retards didn't call him a loser for not winning a ring with Mo Williams as his sidekick, and now you whine about it nonstop lmao


You're splitting hairs between Mo Williams and Jason Terry?

Alongside Lebron, Terry would've had his playmaking and scoring progressively reduced just like Mo, who became a spot-up shooter just like everyone else alongside Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance..

And Mo joined a bummy 45-win team and his futuristic spacing made them 66-win league favorite.