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3ba11
01-03-2022, 11:45 AM
This isn't a silly attempt at a jinx or anything

I actually think they found another potential star in Malik Monk - so Lebron has at least 3 teammates that can match or exceed "pippen" production, and 2 guys that can match or exceed Lebron's own production like AD did for the 2020 ring, or like Wade and Kyrie did in 2011 & 2016 Playoffs.

RRR3
01-03-2022, 11:46 AM
Jesus Christ Malik friggin Monk is a “star” now. Talk about desperate.

3ba11
01-03-2022, 11:49 AM
Jesus Christ Malik friggin Monk is a “star” now. Talk about desperate.


He's super-nice and you know damn-well that he's another "pippen" caliber producer - you don't need much to be a pippen-caliber producer

MJ won with 1 "pippen", while Lebron needs about 2 pippen's and 2 jordan's to win each title, give or take.. He simply needs WAY more help.. that should be abundantly clear at this point

ELITEpower23
01-03-2022, 11:53 AM
What's Jordan's best Finals win?

RRR3
01-03-2022, 11:53 AM
He's super-nice and you know damn-well that he's another "pippen" caliber producer - you don't need much to be a pippen-caliber producer

MJ won with 1 "pippen", while Lebron needs about 2 pippen's and 2 jordan's to win each title, give or take.. He simply needs WAY more help.. that should be abundantly clear at this point
LeBron needs two Jordans? Damn you must not think much of Jordan considering LeBron won rings with AD+role players, an injured Love and Wade averaging 15.9 PPG.

3ba11
01-03-2022, 11:58 AM
LeBron needs two Jordans? Damn you must not think much of Jordan considering LeBron won rings with AD+role players, an injured Love and Wade averaging 15.9 PPG.


Lebron needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the 2011, 2016, and 2020 Playoffs, as well as every Finals win.

So he frequently never faced maximum defensive attention/burden, which are inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always faced maximum defensive attention by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

Ultimately, Lebron's high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat the top teams, which is why he always needed "jordan's" to match his scoring - he never carried the scoring load on the Finals level or carried bed-wetting teammates over top 5 SRS teams (no carry-jobs in 2 decades of playing).

RRR3
01-03-2022, 11:59 AM
RRR3 owned my dumbass so bad I have to resort to spamming a copy and paste that addresses none of his points. Boy I sure am retarded
:applause:

3ba11
01-03-2022, 12:02 PM
:applause:


Your post claimed that Lebron carried teams and he objectively hasn't

He's never carried the scoring load on the Finals level or carried bed-wetting teammates over top 5 SRS teams (no carry-jobs in 2 decades of playing).

The fact that you point to a year that he got lucky (2013) as the only time he carried teammates (and still didn't carry the load in the Finals) is pathetic and makes my point.

You're pointing out a lone exception to make your point, which actually makes my point, especially when he got famously lucky that year and didn't actually carry the load in the Finals

Jay-B
01-03-2022, 12:07 PM
You all are crazy how you take this “Lebron needs help” stuff to extreme overboard especially when Westbrook isn’t even better than Ron Harper.

RRR3
01-03-2022, 12:15 PM
Duhhhh-uhhhh copy and paste is all I have. RRR3 is too smart for me I can’t respond to his points. Duhhhh-uhhh I can’t even tie my shoes
:lol

3ba11
01-03-2022, 12:20 PM
:lol


Haha the facts just drown you out

Show me where Lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

You have 2 decades to choose from

GO

Or find me a Finals win where Lebron carried the scoring load (defeated max defensive attention/burden)

You have 10 Finals to choose from

GO

RRR3
01-03-2022, 12:29 PM
duhhhhh-uhhhh 2+2=9 duhhhh
:roll:

Manny98
01-03-2022, 12:50 PM
Malik Monk is "Pippen-caliber"? yep time to put on ignore :facepalm

000
01-03-2022, 12:50 PM
No they won't

Dengness9
01-03-2022, 01:51 PM
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HylianNightmare
01-03-2022, 01:57 PM
I would hope so with like 7 all stars and nba Champs on the roster

Ne 1
01-03-2022, 02:32 PM
Without sounding like an idiot as usual, please explain how Kyrie and AD matched or exceeded LeBron's production.

AirBonner
01-03-2022, 03:06 PM
How is monk a star?

3ba11
01-03-2022, 03:33 PM
Without sounding like an idiot as usual, please explain how Kyrie and AD matched or exceeded LeBron's production.


AD, Wade, and Kyrie matched or exceeded Lebron's ppg for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20').

This matters because equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron didn't face or defeat maximum defensive attention for various playoff runs or in the Finals - any period without facing maximum defensive attention/burden is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

Ne 1
01-03-2022, 04:10 PM
So besides the always hurt AD, who on the Lakers is a 1st team All-NBA player + 1st team All defender? Or do you really think that Malik Monk hitting a few 3’s and scoring 15-20 every now then is somehow equal or better than all that Pippen did for the Bulls?

Ne 1
01-03-2022, 04:13 PM
Malik Monk is "Pippen-caliber"? yep time to put on ignore :facepalm

He knows very well Monk is nowhere close to Pippen. That’s more absurd than people saying that Jordan = DeRozan today.

Hey Yo
01-03-2022, 05:09 PM
AD, Wade, and Kyrie matched or exceeded Lebron's ppg for entire playoff runs (11', 16', 20').

This matters because equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron didn't face or defeat maximum defensive attention for various playoff runs or in the Finals - any period without facing maximum defensive attention/burden is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

Why not use 2012 and 13 Wade? Did he match Lebron's production throughout the playoffs those title winning years?

TheCorporation
01-03-2022, 05:28 PM
What's Jordan's best Finals win?

OP?

3ba11
01-03-2022, 06:01 PM
So besides the always hurt AD, who on the Lakers is a 1st team All-NBA player + 1st team All defender? Or do you really think that Malik Monk hitting a few 3’s and scoring 15-20 every now then is somehow equal or better than all that Pippen did for the Bulls?


^^^ that's the key - any solid athlete that scores 15-20 is "pippen-caliber"

Pippen's 5 assists are mid-tier playmaking, and easily offset by another player's superior shooting/spacing or efficiency.

Malik is an extremely athletic slasher-shooter that has the potential to be a 15-20 ppg scoring option for the Lakers - that's pippen-caliber - Pippen never played any better than that.. Pippen is the only sidekick that won more than 2 Finals without getting FMVP or 25 ppg - so he played at a lower level for 3 times as long as everyone else (0/6).. And he's the only guy that never reached Horry-caliber (19.0 gamescore or better in the Finals).

RRR3
01-03-2022, 06:08 PM
Duh-uhhhhhh-uhhhhhhhh-uhhhhhhhhh-uhhhhhhhhh-uhhhhhhhhhhh
:roll:

tpols
01-03-2022, 06:10 PM
Without sounding like an idiot as usual, please explain how Kyrie and AD matched or exceeded LeBron's production.

AD led the 2020 playoffs in points scored and he did it on GOAT 130 ORTG efficiency. Wade outplayed Lebron when it mattered most in 2011 (which literally everybody knows) and Kyrie put up 40+ point games on GOAT efficiency in the 2016 comeback Finals games including hitting the dagger series winning 3 pt shot.

https://c.tenor.com/Fu9OVIsF3HcAAAAd/kyrie-irving-game-winer.gif

So you're just a plain liar. Pippen never even came close to matching MJ in any playoff run or even single series. If you're gonna lie you have to make it a little believable.

Spurs m8
01-03-2022, 06:13 PM
AD led the 2020 playoffs in points scored and he did it on GOAT 130 ORTG efficiency. Wade outplayed Lebron when it mattered most in 2011 (which literally everybody knows) and Kyrie put up 40+ point games on GOAT efficiency in the 2016 comeback Finals games including hitting the dagger series winning 3 pt shot.

https://c.tenor.com/Fu9OVIsF3HcAAAAd/kyrie-irving-game-winer.gif

So you're just a plain liar. Pippen never even came close to matching MJ in any playoff run or even single series. If you're gonna lie you have to make it a little believable.

Facts are not bron stans friend

No mental gymnastics or dishonesty needed

TheCorporation
01-03-2022, 06:14 PM
AD led the 2020 playoffs in points scored and he did it on GOAT 130 ORTG efficiency. Wade outplayed Lebron when it mattered most in 2011 (which literally everybody knows) and Kyrie put up 40+ point games on GOAT efficiency in the 2016 comeback Finals games including hitting the dagger series winning 3 pt shot.

https://c.tenor.com/Fu9OVIsF3HcAAAAd/kyrie-irving-game-winer.gif

So you're just a plain liar. Pippen never even came close to matching MJ in any playoff run or even single series. If you're gonna lie you have to make it a little believable.

LeBron still had the game saving block, game winning free throw (erase Kyrie's 3 and the game is still tied without LeBron's free throw) ANNND:

https://i.postimg.cc/xdmq0qs2/20190531-142817.jpg

3ba11
01-03-2022, 06:31 PM
LeBron still had the game saving block, game winning free throw (erase Kyrie's 3 and the game is still tied without LeBron's free throw) ANNND:

https://i.postimg.cc/xdmq0qs2/20190531-142817.jpg



Lebron never faced or defeated maximum defensive attention/burden because he had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-03-2022/ajmpwT.gif

SouBeachTalents
01-03-2022, 06:33 PM
Speaking of 40 point Finals games though, LeBron had more in a 3 day span than Kobe did in 20 years

3ba11
01-03-2022, 06:36 PM
Speaking of 40 point Finals games though, LeBron had more in a 3 day span than Kobe did in 20 years


How many titles for Lebron compared to Kobe?.. How many 3-peats?.. How many times did Lebron face or defeat maximum defensive attention (10+ more than sidekick in PO & Finals while winning chip)

And most importantly, what's your winning frequency against the best (Finals teams)??

SouBeachTalents
01-03-2022, 06:44 PM
How many titles for Lebron compared to Kobe?.. How many 3-peats?.. How many times did Lebron face or defeat maximum defensive attention (10+ more than sidekick in PO & Finals while winning chip)

And most importantly, what's your winning frequency against the best (Finals teams)??
Well Pippen has more titles than both, more 3peats than both, and a better Finals record than both.

So seems like Pippen > Kobe > LeBron

3ba11
01-03-2022, 06:46 PM
Well Pippen has more titles than both, more 3peats than both, and a better Finals record than both.

So seems like Pippen > Kobe > LeBron


you left out the defensive attention criterion, which is where Pippen gets caught.. He faced the LEAST defensive attention of any winning sidekick in the history of the game.

He's the only guy that won more than 2 Finals without winning FMVP or averaging 25 ppg - so he played at a lower level for 3 times as long as anyone else did..

L8krH8tr
01-03-2022, 07:16 PM
shutup you low iq scum

Im so nba'd out
01-03-2022, 07:16 PM
OP everyday before he makes a LeBron h8 thread


https://c.tenor.com/gkZiCIqm8TQAAAAM/clown-sad.gif

Spurs m8
01-03-2022, 07:18 PM
OP everyday before he makes a LeBron h8 thread


https://c.tenor.com/gkZiCIqm8TQAAAAM/clown-sad.gif

Or bron stans every day before they make 20 dishonest, insecure LeBarryBonds threads

TheCorporation
01-03-2022, 07:24 PM
OP everyday before he makes a LeBron h8 thread


https://c.tenor.com/gkZiCIqm8TQAAAAM/clown-sad.gif

:roll:

AirBonner
01-03-2022, 07:34 PM
Now that the lakers have MJ (monk) how could they lose?

Axe
01-03-2022, 07:48 PM
AD led the 2020 playoffs in points scored and he did it on GOAT 130 ORTG efficiency. Wade outplayed Lebron when it mattered most in 2011 (which literally everybody knows) and Kyrie put up 40+ point games on GOAT efficiency in the 2016 comeback Finals games including hitting the dagger series winning 3 pt shot.

https://c.tenor.com/Fu9OVIsF3HcAAAAd/kyrie-irving-game-winer.gif

So you're just a plain liar. Pippen never even came close to matching MJ in any playoff run or even single series. If you're gonna lie you have to make it a little believable.
Yikes, thurston. Yikes.

Thenameless
01-03-2022, 08:55 PM
This isn't a silly attempt at a jinx or anything

I actually think they found another potential star in Malik Monk - so Lebron has at least 3 teammates that can match or exceed "pippen" production, and 2 guys that can match or exceed Lebron's own production like AD did for the 2020 ring, or like Wade and Kyrie did in 2011 & 2016 Playoffs.

I think the negatives of Westbrook more than easily outweigh the positives of Monk. Especially considering that they give Westbrook starters minutes.

Gohan
01-03-2022, 09:04 PM
Ok now i know youre just a troll 3ball

ShawkFactory
01-03-2022, 09:24 PM
AD led the 2020 playoffs in points scored and he did it on GOAT 130 ORTG efficiency. Wade outplayed Lebron when it mattered most in 2011 (which literally everybody knows) and Kyrie put up 40+ point games on GOAT efficiency in the 2016 comeback Finals games including hitting the dagger series winning 3 pt shot.

https://c.tenor.com/Fu9OVIsF3HcAAAAd/kyrie-irving-game-winer.gif

So you're just a plain liar. Pippen never even came close to matching MJ in any playoff run or even single series. If you're gonna lie you have to make it a little believable.

Game*

He scored 40+ once. And he scored 30 or more twice.

SouBeachTalents
01-03-2022, 09:27 PM
Game*

He scored 40+ once. And he scored 30 or more twice.
Don't forget what happened in the bubble being illegitimate except when it comes to AD :lol

red1
01-03-2022, 09:29 PM
OP acting like he's joking but those who know, KNOW - OP is absolutely shook

red1
01-03-2022, 09:29 PM
never seen someone so threatened by a .500 record

r15mohd
01-03-2022, 09:41 PM
he does this every year...makes an 'i told you so' thread about Lebron teammates so he can bring it up if the Lakers do win and say 'see, Lebron needed XYZ blah blah blah'

SouBeachTalents
01-03-2022, 09:59 PM
he does this every year...makes an 'i told you so' thread about Lebron teammates so he can bring it up if the Lakers do win and say 'see, Lebron needed XYZ blah blah blah'
What makes it so pathetic is he's this shook when the guy's 37 on a .500 team :lol That's how you know he's still playing at an elite level.