How is Malik Monk a star?

[AirBonner]

Anyone know? How is 11/2/2 star/Pippen level?:biggums:

[3ba11]

Anyone know? How is 11/2/2 star/Pippen level?:biggums:


The way he's been playing the last few games are a breakout for him - we're seeing his inner-Jordan emerge

He's a great assist target for teammates via catch-and-shoot or slash, which gives teammates spacing and elevates their role to playmaker rather than reduce to spot-up shooter.. By the same token, he has capacity for elite on-ball playmaking too, like when he found Lebron in the corner.. On that play, Lebron was elevating Monk by being the assist target/bailout option that provides spacing and elevates everyone's role to playmaker (rather than reduce to spot-up shooter).

So they're learning how to elevate each other (stand in the corner for each other), and therefore have a chance, especially given they're actually massively underachieving their favored talent.

Btw, Monk can shoot it from anywhere - 3 or mid-range

[AirBonner]

The way he's been playing the last few games are a breakout for him - we're seeing his inner-Jordan emerge

He's a great assist target for teammates via catch-and-shoot or slash, which gives teammates spacing and elevates their role to playmaker rather than reduce to spot-up shooter.. By the same token, he has capacity for elite on-ball playmaking too, like when he found Lebron in the corner.. On that play, Lebron was elevating Monk by being the assist target/bailout option that provides spacing and elevates everyone's role to playmaker (rather than reduce to spot-up shooter).

So they're learning how to elevate each other (stand in the corner for each other), and therefore have a chance, especially given they're actually massively underachieving their favored talent.

Btw, Monk can shoot it from anywhere - 3 or mid-range

Malik Monk = MJ


:roll::roll::roll::lol

[3ba11]

Malik Monk = MJ


:roll::roll::roll::lol


They attack similarly and have a strong proclivity towards that lean-in tomahawk (optimal footwork and navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?360900-Navigation-Efficiency)).

[ShawkFactory]

They attack similarly and have a strong proclivity towards that lean-in tomahawk (optimal footwork and navigation efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?360900-Navigation-Efficiency)).

Monk has taken 353 FTs in 266 career games.

[theman93]

Get this man some help

[3ba11]

Monk has taken 353 FTs in 266 career games.


That doesn't mean they don't use similar moves and style when attacking the rim.. Monk simply hasn't come into his own or started playing his game yet on the NBA level, so his opportunity/playing time has been short.

Only in the last couple games have we seen some glimpses of his ability.

[Nb1]

Damn, another player that Lebron lifts up to superstar levels! Lebron not only is the GOAT himself but he also helps his teammates play to an all star level. What a player!

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, another player that Lebron lifts up to superstar levels! Lebron not only is the GOAT himself but he also helps his teammates play to an all star level. What a player!
He helped turn Malik Monk into Jordan? GOAT shit

[ShawkFactory]

That doesn't mean they don't use similar moves and style when attacking the rim.. Monk simply hasn't come into his own or started playing his game yet on the NBA level, so his opportunity/playing time has been short.

Only in the last couple games have we seen some glimpses of his ability.

Or maybe he's just had a nice last couple of games because Bron has been on fire and no one is paying attention to him. Let's wait and see what happens when defenses are prepared for him.

[Spurs m8]

Damn, another player that Lebron lifts up to superstar levels! Lebron not only is the GOAT himself but he also helps his teammates play to an all star level. What a player!

So good he can't win out West without Davis

Story of his career

[Hey Yo]

Anyone know? How is 11/2/2 star/Pippen level?:biggums:

Horace Grant put up better numbers than that for the 91-93 postseason runs against much better defense.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

He was a lottery pick. Not sure what happened to his career though

[TheCorporation]

Malik Monk = MJ


:roll::roll::roll::lol

Jesus :roll:

[3ba11]

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Last 5 games

20.0 on 57% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monkma01/gamelog/2022#262-266-sum:pgl_basic) (42% threes on 7 attempts)



heck, that's a lot better than pippen

[ShawkFactory]

12/21/91-12/30/91 (5 games):

28ppg on 59%; 8rpg, 7apg, 4 spg, 2bpg

I have no idea if this is his best stretch. I just clicked on 1992 and picked the first I found. Didn't take long.

[AirBonner]

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Last 5 games

20.0 on 57% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monkma01/gamelog/2022#262-266-sum:pgl_basic) (42% threes on 7 attempts)



heck, that's a lot better than pippen

Better than MJ from 3

[3ba11]

Better than MJ from 3


That's how MJ shot anytime he was above bailout volume

But unfortunately, he rarely shot more than bailout volume (1 attempt at the end of shot-clock).. No one can shoot well if they restricted themselves to 1 bailout per game.. Not even Curry would shoot well under those circumstances.

But MJ shot well anytime he took more than bailout volume..

MJ shot 43% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals, or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs.. Or 38% on 3 attempts in 1990 regular sesaon.. That's just a couple examples from his career.. Remember, he had goat form and elevation, while also being the goat 2-point shooter.

[zeerghit]

Better than MJ from 3

did he had any 5 game strech like that in his career?

[3ba11]

did he had any 5 game strech like that in his career?


43% in 92' Finals on 5 attempts

MJ shot well anytime he took more than bailout volume..

he had goat form and elevation, while also being the goat 2-point shooter, so all he needed was volume from 3

[Spurs m8]

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Last 5 games

20.0 on 57% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monkma01/gamelog/2022#262-266-sum:pgl_basic) (42% threes on 7 attempts)



heck, that's a lot better than pippen

Is this true?

Guys?

[zeerghit]

43% in 92' Finals on 5 attempts

MJ shot well anytime he took more than bailout volume..

he had goat form and elevation, while also being the goat 2-point shooter, so all he needed was volume from 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM&ab_channel=ctsa028

[RRR3]

12/21/91-12/30/91 (5 games):

28ppg on 59%; 8rpg, 7apg, 4 spg, 2bpg

I have no idea if this is his best stretch. I just clicked on 1992 and picked the first I found. Didn't take long.
Snivelball avoiding this.

[zeerghit]

Is this true?

Guys?

yes its true and?

[TheCorporation]

12/21/91-12/30/91 (5 games):

28ppg on 59%; 8rpg, 7apg, 4 spg, 2bpg

I have no idea if this is his best stretch. I just clicked on 1992 and picked the first I found. Didn't take long.

:lol Gottem

[TheCorporation]

So according to Scoutball...

Kelly Oubre > Klay Thompson
Malik Monk > Scottie Pippen
Kobe Bryant > LeBron James

Not even sure which "scouting claim" is most egregious but they're all pretty effing bad.

[Nb1]

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Last 5 games

20.0 on 57% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/monkma01/gamelog/2022#262-266-sum:pgl_basic) (42% threes on 7 attempts)



heck, that's a lot better than pippen

Dayum! How does Lebron do that?Is he even human?? How can Lebron be the best scorer in the league and put up insane numbers while elevating scrubs into superstars at the same time?

When Durant doesn’t play, Harden pits up big numbers.When Tatum doesnt play Brown puts up 50, when Giannis doesn’t play Middleton and Jrue put up big numbers, when Curry doesnt play the GSW are undefeated, but Lebron manages to play at an never seen before level AND makes his crappy teammates better?How is that possible?

[Johnny32]

Horace Grant put up better numbers than that for the 91-93 postseason runs against much better defense.

and was an all star when mj quit on his team for the first time.

[3ba11]

Is this true?

Guys?


It's true - Malik Monk is becoming a 20 ppg sniper-slasher, so Lebron has 3 teammates that average 20 ppg - 3 Pippen's, yet he's barely a .500 ball club.

Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance has always underachieved the supporting talent starting from his first seasons when he barely won 40 games with the East all-star center..

Then he lost as the favorite to a 1-star team in 2009, and turned the preseason favorite into Finals underdog or loser for 7 straight years (2010-2016).. Now he's losing with AD and a super-team

[000]

when Curry doesnt play the GSW are undefeated
they are 1-1

[zeerghit]

they are 1-1

The Golden State Warriors had a record of 42-79 without Stephen Curry between the 2014-15 and 2020-21 seasons.
it says a lot

[000]

The Golden State Warriors had a record of 42-79 without Stephen Curry between the 2014-15 and 2020-21 seasons.
it says a lot

:cheers:

[zeerghit]

:cheers:

and this team was staked af:cheers:

[Johnny32]

The Golden State Warriors had a record of 42-79 without Stephen Curry between the 2014-15 and 2020-21 seasons.
it says a lot

what's their record when klay plays and no curry lol? the gsw went 15-50 without klay in 2020. curry played 5 games and they went 1-4 in those gms.

[zeerghit]

what's their record when klay plays and no curry lol? the gsw went 15-50 without klay in 2020. curry played 5 games and they went 1-4 in those gms.

you mean than Curry doesnt play and Klay plays?

[000]

what's their record when klay plays and no curry lol? the gsw went 15-50 without klay in 2020. curry played 5 games and they went 1-4 in those gms.
???

[StrongLurk]

OP have you watched Monk at all? He's easily top 10-15 in the league and someone I could see winning MVP next year.

[Johnny32]

The Golden State Warriors had a record of 42-79 without Stephen Curry between the 2014-15 and 2020-21 seasons.
it says a lot

this doesn't mean as much when a minimum of 49 of those losses were also without klay.

[3ba11]

this doesn't mean as much when a minimum of 49 of those losses were also without klay.


Agreed - it's a fact that teams who don't rely solely on talent and play a good brand of basketball can still win games when their talent is reduced.

So a team that moves the ball to get good shots will still move the ball without their star, while a team that uses 1 ball-dominator will be lost without that ball-dominator.

It's intuitive

[000]

this doesn't mean as much when a minimum of 49 of those losses were also without klay.
Oh, good point. I guess we can't really tell if Curry has any actual impact after all, when all of it could be tied to Klay Thompson.

If only Curry was, say, #1 seed without Klay. Then he'd prove he doesn't need the guy.

Oh well, it's just a silly hypothetical anyway...

[Johnny32]

Oh, good point. I guess we can't really tell if Curry has any actual impact after all, when all of it could be tied to Klay Thompson.

If only Curry was, say, #1 seed without Klay. Then he'd prove he doesn't need the guy.

Oh well, it's just a silly hypothetical anyway...

hurrr, he couldn't even make the playoffs without klay last season. it's jan and you're celebrating like a disgusting casual. it's embarrassing.

[zeerghit]

The Golden State Warriors had a 67-13 record with Stephen Curry in 2014-15.
The Golden State Warriors were 0-2 without Stephen Curry in 2014-15.

The Golden State Warriors were 71-8 with Stephen Curry in 2015-16.
The Golden State Warriors had a 2-1 record without Stephen Curry in 2015-16.

The Golden State Warriors were 65-14 with Stephen Curry in 2016-17
The Golden State Warriors had a record of 2-1 without Stephen Curry in 2016-17.

The Golden State Warriors had a record of 41-10 with Stephen Curry in 2017-18.
The Golden State Warriors were 17-14 without Stephen Curry in 2017-18.

The Golden State Warriors were 52-17 with Stephen Curry in 2018-19.
The Golden State Warriors were 5-8 without Stephen Curry in 2018-19.

The Golden State Warriors were 1-4 with Stephen Curry in 2019-20.
The Golden State Warriors had a 14-46 record without Stephen Curry in 2019-20.

The Golden State Warriors had a 37-26 record with Stephen Curry in 2020-21.
The Golden State Warriors had a 2-7 record without Stephen Curry in 2020-21.

The Golden State Warriors have a 28-6 record with Stephen Curry this season
The Golden State Warriors have a 1-1 record without Stephen Curry this season.

here you are buddy

[3ba11]

Oh, good point. I guess we can't really tell if Curry has any actual impact after all, when all of it could be tied to Klay Thompson.

If only Curry was, say, #1 seed without Klay. Then he'd prove he doesn't need the guy.

Oh well, it's just a silly hypothetical anyway...


:roll::roll::roll:

You can tell when a player is on that goat level when the FACTS allow you to make clever posts like yours

Curry is a top 10 all-time player because he isn't a team-hoppers/talent-based winner and infact plays a goat brand of ball that yields the highest team ceilings with the least help.. Ultimately, he knows how to WIN (organic), while also being able to defeat maximum defensive attention (won ring while averaging 10 more than teammates in PO & Finals)

[Johnny32]

oh and the story of the past month has been...steph struggles but warriors win anyway. he's already fatigued lol. gl in the playoffs if you make it this time.

[000]

hurrr, he couldn't even make the playoffs without klay last season. it's jan and you're celebrating like a disgusting casual. it's embarrassing.
Meltdown.


oh and the story of the past month has been...steph struggles but warriors win anyway. he's already fatigued lol. gl in the playoffs if you make it this time.
Don't worry. The almighty Klay Thompson will be back by then.

[000]

:roll::roll::roll:

You can tell when a player is on that goat level when the FACTS allow you to make clever posts like yours

:banana:

[Johnny32]

The Golden State Warriors had a 67-13 record with Stephen Curry in 2014-15.
The Golden State Warriors were 0-2 without Stephen Curry in 2014-15.
The Golden State Warriors were 71-8 with Stephen Curry in 2015-16.
The Golden State Warriors had a 2-1 record without Stephen Curry in 2015-16.
The Golden State Warriors were 65-14 with Stephen Curry in 2016-17
The Golden State Warriors had a record of 2-1 without Stephen Curry in 2016-17.
The Golden State Warriors had a record of 41-10 with Stephen Curry in 2017-18.
The Golden State Warriors were 17-14 without Stephen Curry in 2017-18.
The Golden State Warriors were 52-17 with Stephen Curry in 2018-19.
The Golden State Warriors were 5-8 without Stephen Curry in 2018-19.
The Golden State Warriors were 1-4 with Stephen Curry in 2019-20.
The Golden State Warriors had a 14-46 record without Stephen Curry in 2019-20.
The Golden State Warriors had a 37-26 record with Stephen Curry in 2020-21.
The Golden State Warriors had a 2-7 record without Stephen Curry in 2020-21.
The Golden State Warriors have a 28-6 record with Stephen Curry this season
The Golden State Warriors have a 1-1 record without Stephen Curry this season.
here you are buddy

reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? i asked what the gsw record is when klay plays and steph doesn't.

[Johnny32]

hurrr, he couldn't even make the playoffs without klay last season. it's jan and you're celebrating like a disgusting casual. it's embarrassing.

gets LeShitOn then desperately tries to deflect...hurrr, meltdown, durrr.

[zeerghit]

reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? i asked what the gsw record is when klay plays and steph doesn't.

well if u so sure how about u do the research? i doubt u will be happy with ending

[Johnny32]

well if u so sure how about u do the research? i doubt u will be happy with ending

i'm typing to a foreigner about american basketball. n/m.

[000]

gets LeShitOn then desperately tries to deflect...hurrr, meltdown, durrr.
LeShitOn?

lol

[zeerghit]

i'm typing to a foreigner about american basketball. n/m.
typical

[zeerghit]

hurrr, he couldn't even make the playoffs without klay last season. it's jan and you're celebrating like a disgusting casual. it's embarrassing.

The Golden State Warriors had a 37-26 record with Stephen Curry in 2020-21.
The Golden State Warriors had a 2-7 record without Stephen Curry in 2020-21.
really?
we can do the same with Lebron missing playoffs..

[Spurs m8]

He keeps playing like one.

Crucial baskets too

[RRR3]

He keeps playing like one.

Crucial baskets too
So LeBron has made Malik Monk a star? But you told me he makes players worse? How is this possible? Could it be you’re full of shit?

[ELITEpower23]

So LeBron has made Malik Monk a star? But you told me he makes players worse? How is this possible? Could it be you’re full of shit?

:oldlol::roll:

[3ba11]

So LeBron has made Malik Monk a star? But you told me he makes players worse? How is this possible? Could it be you’re full of shit?


Elite shooters are the one player type that he doesn't destroy

Lebron has found his Kyrie or Mo Williams

This is a knock on Lebron because it demonstrates his skill restriction to ball-dominance that only 1 player type does okay alongside him

Otoh, Jordan's elite on-bal/off-ball game fits with everyone.. that's why he's superior and won more on the championship level and with less help

Anyway, carry-on... The Lebron deck-stacking continues

[TheGoatest]

So LeBron has made Malik Monk a star? But you told me he makes players worse? How is this possible? Could it be you’re full of shit?

The story of LeBron haters' lives:

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg

:roll:

[RRR3]

D-duh-uhhhh-uhhhh-uhhhhhhh-uhhhh
:roll:

[3ba11]

:roll:


My posts over the years should've educated you that the only player type that Lebron doesn't destroy are elite shooters.

So if you read my posts, you LEARN and can actually predict things

Accordingly, the next time an elite shooter joins Lebron, you can look smart and predict that they will do okay, while others foolishly predict the opposite.

You'll look smart for once... :applause:

[Spurs m8]

My posts over the years should've educated you that the only player type that Lebron doesn't destroy are elite shooters.

So if you read my posts, you LEARN and can actually predict things

Accordingly, the next time an elite shooter joins Lebron, you can look smart and predict that they will do okay, while others foolishly predict the opposite.

You'll look smart for once... :applause:

Rrr3 look smart?

Right

[3ba11]

Rrr3 look smart?

Right


RRR3 seems stubborn and has difficulty seeing these simple things that we all see.. Cones across as constantly confused and needing clarification

[Spurs m8]

RRR3 seems stubborn and has difficulty seeing these simple things that we all see.. Cones across as constantly confused and needing clarification

You always have him in a spin.

Hence all the threads he starts about you...

[Nb1]

Lebron is just that special, never seen anything like it. Always had sh*** unfitting team mates and made them better lifting his team up to the max. If he had remotely average 3&d players he’d have 15 rings by now. It’s incredible what he did with a scrub like Monk and how he’d have swept the Suns last year even injured and won another ring with his crappy team.

[DJmicah]

Bro this thread really got yall out here comparing malik monk to jordan and pippen :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Bro this thread really got yall out here comparing malik monk to jordan and pippen :oldlol:


Pippen couldn't score or shoot - Monk is easily superior offensively, while DPOY Jordan would light that fire defensively like he did rookie Pippen

[SouBeachTalents]

My posts over the years should've educated you that the only player type that Lebron doesn't destroy are elite shooters.

So if you read my posts, you LEARN and can actually predict things

Accordingly, the next time an elite shooter joins Lebron, you can look smart and predict that they will do okay, while others foolishly predict the opposite.

You'll look smart for once... :applause:
I read your posts and saw Giannis is trash and Steph is the most overrated player of all time.

Oh, and Oubre > Klay

[3ba11]

I read your posts and saw Giannis is trash and Steph is the most overrated player of all time.

Oh, and Oubre > Klay


Nobody is right all the time but I have a pretty solid list of things I was dead right about and few else were, if any

Btw, here's Horace Grant saying that he'd be like his no-name brother Harvey Grant (long-time NBA veteran) without MJ:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m42s

[SouBeachTalents]

Nobody is right all the time but I have a pretty solid list of things I was dead right about and few else were, if any

Btw, here's Horace Grant saying that he'd be like his no-name brother Harvey Grant (long-time NBA veteran) without MJ:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m42s
There’s a difference between being wrong about something, and going from calling players trash/the most overrated ever to claiming they’re top 5-10 players of all time in a matter of literally just a few months.

[ShawkFactory]

There’s a difference between being wrong about something, and going from calling players trash/the most overrated ever to claiming they’re top 5-10 players of all time in a matter of literally just a few months.

And Curry didn't play a game in that span.

[SouBeachTalents]

And Curry didn't play a game in that span.
Yeah, he made that Curry thread like spring of last year, so he did a complete 180 on the basis of, at most, 2 weeks of regular season basketball :lol

[3ba11]

Yeah, he made that Curry thread like spring of last year, so he did a complete 180 on the basis of, at most, 2 weeks of regular season basketball :lol


Actually, I realized that Curry fit my top 10 criteria of knowing how to win (organic) and being capable of defeating maximum defensive attention (by carrying scoring load in PO & Finals)..

And also having elite jumpshooting skill that allows the best teammate fits and strategy for the best team ceilings/Finals records.

[Wally450]

Bro this thread really got yall out here comparing malik monk to jordan and pippen :oldlol:

If 3ball really believes that, then he has to give credit to LeBron. He's put himself in a predicament here.