Donavon Mitchell and Joel Embiid named player of the month for December

[Manny98]

Both well deserved, Mitchell has been insane this season and deserves to be in the MVP conversation :applause:

Embiid has been carrying Philly with Simmons out and Harris having a down year so far

https://mobile.twitter.com/thesteinline/status/1478456400078684161

[Xiao Yao You]

2nd best player on his team is an MVP candidate :facepalm

[Manny98]

2nd best player on his team is an MVP candidate :facepalm
Seething :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

yet another example of the nba desperately trying to protect jordone's legacy as the goat from the true heir to the throne king james.

[Spurs m8]

yet another example of the nba desperately trying to protect jordone's legacy as the goat from the true heir to the throne king james.

Yeah, losing most of your games is gonna get you player of the month.

Player of the month is also a huge legacy boost.

The forums lowest iq poster has struck again

[Spurs m8]

2nd best player on his team is an MVP candidate :facepalm

Toody is trash

[Johnny32]

it's funny seeing a kangaroo humping aussie pretend to understand basketball on any level, mate.

[Xiao Yao You]

Toody is trash

and yet one of the most impactful players in the league by most metrics

[Kblaze8855]

He’s not trash he’s just not elite. He’s Nuggets Mutombo in a league that really values screens.

[Akeem34TheDream]

I think in regular season he has a top 10 impact with the way Jazz built. He might not be a top 10 player but whatever he does work for the Jazz.

[Full Court]

He’s not trash he’s just not elite. He’s Nuggets Mutombo in a league that really values screens.

I would have to call a multiple time DPOY winner elite.

[fourkicks44]

If Joel scores 30 tomorrow night against Orlando he will tie Wilt's franchise record for most consecutive road games with 30+ points.

[Xiao Yao You]

I would have to call a multiple time DPOY winner elite.

especially when he's putting up elite numbers on both sides of the ball

[Kblaze8855]

I would have to call a multiple time DPOY winner elite.


In a league with Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem and so on Mutombo was never elite and the same goes for Rudy. If there are multiple tiers above you then elite isn’t the word. If we just mean relative to the entire nba population anyone top 20-30 is elite but I don’t think that’s what most people mean when they use the word.

[Kblaze8855]

especially when he's putting up elite numbers on both sides of the ball

Stats that are improved by a lack of skill don’t make you elite. If Rudy had Hakeem’s skills he wouldn’t shoot 70% or set so many useful screens because he would be given the ball to do something with it. Bum(relatively speaking) bigs have made 65-75% shooting no longer be noteworthy because this era doesn’t rely on bum bigs to do anything that takes much skill.

As you well know even bums used to be expected to try to score one on one. It’s smarter to limit people to dunks and screens and play through guards but fact is….when you can’t do shit but dunk you better shoot 70% and set good screens.

Even the guys people imagine were bangers and rebounders we both remember used to get the ball on the block to try to make it happen. Dale Davis types. Would never get a post touch today. The Bulls used to run plays for Cartwright. Never happen now. Bigs don’t have to do anything but dunk if they lack the skill to run offense though. The shooting numbers were sure to follow. Guys like Rudy and DJ make 70% shooting not even matter.

If he had Jokics ability he’d shoot a lot worse because he’d be expected to do something. His efficiency and screen numbers are the direct result of a lack of well rounded ability. As I said…numbers aided by a lack of skill don’t make anyone elite. It’s like crazy shooting numbers and no turnovers by guys who can’t dribble or attack. They only get them because they catch and shoot. If they were better total players their shooting numbers would drop.

Not all numbers go up as ability does.

[Xiao Yao You]

Stats that are improved by a lack of skill don’t make you elite. If Rudy had Hakeem’s skills he wouldn’t shoot 70% or set so many useful screens because he would be given the ball to do something with it. Bum(relatively speaking) bigs have made 65-75% shooting no longer be noteworthy because this era doesn’t rely on bum bigs to do anything that takes much skill. As you well know even bums used to be expected to try to score one on one. It’s smarter to limit people to dunks and screens and play through guards but fact is….when you can’t do shit but dunk you better shoot 70% and set good screens.

Even the guys people imagine were bangers and rebounders we both remember used to get the ball on the block to try to make it happen. Dale Davis types. Would never get a post touch today. The Bulls used to run plays for Cartwright. Never happen now. Bigs don’t have to do anything but dunk if they lack the skill to run offense though. The shooting numbers were sure to follow. Guys like Rudy and DJ make 70% shooting not even matter.

everyone would be doing what he does if it was so easy. No one else is. Cartwright was acquired to score in the post for Chicago

[AirBonner]

Maybe Toody would get player of the week if he played better defense

[ShawkFactory]

everyone would be doing what he does if it was so easy. No one else is. Cartwright was acquired to score in the post for Chicago

His point is they allow him to do that. They'd rather focus on the dynamic perimeter game and give up a dunk every now and then than focus on Rudy underneath and get torched from the outside.

[Kblaze8855]

everyone would be doing what he does if it was so easy. No one else is. Cartwright was acquired to score in the post for Chicago

What exactly do you think he’s doing that everyone wishes they could?

On offense I mean. He’s obviously a great defender(till a team decides to negate him in the playoffs at least).

There are bums who no doubt wish they could screen and roll for dunks as well as he does but all the good bigs?

Nobody would trade their skills to do what he does. He does what people do when they aren’t good enough to give the ball.



And I know why Bill was brought in(also to defend big centers). But he would t get post up’s today. Coaches don’t want those shots. Especially not on a team with a Jordan. You can either play the total offensive game(Jokic, Embiid, Sabonis, and so on) or you wait for a dunk to be dropped in your lap.

Those second guys should always shoot 60%. They aren’t skilled enough to play a game that involves variety.

[Xiao Yao You]

Maybe Toody would get player of the week if he played better defense

has won it. This year even

[Xiao Yao You]

His point is they allow him to do that. They'd rather focus on the dynamic perimeter game and give up a dunk every now and then than focus on Rudy underneath and get torched from the outside.

they don't allow him. Teams choose to stop him or they choose to guard the perimeter.

[Xiao Yao You]

What exactly do you think he’s doing that everyone wishes they could?

On offense I mean. He’s obviously a great defender(till a team decides to negate him in the playoffs at least).

There are bums who no doubt wish they could screen and roll for dunks as well as he does but all the good bigs?

Nobody would trade their skills to do what he does. He does what people do when they aren’t good enough to give the ball.



And I know why Bill was brought in(also to defend big centers). But he would t get post up’s today. Coaches don’t want those shots. Especially not on a team with a Jordan. You can either play the total offensive game(Jokic, Embiid, Sabonis, and so on) or you wait for a dunk to be dropped in your lap.

Those second guys should always shoot 60%. They aren’t skilled enough to play a game that involves variety.


Towns won't trade his skills to do what Gobert does and he will continue to lose. Plenty of other players that try to do what he does. No one does it as well

[Tycriss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/rum277/mvp_race_counting_stats_advanced_stats_and_team/

[Spurs m8]

Yeah I went overboard lol

He has a role and the fact he stays relevant in today's league is props to him...especially with such limited offense.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/rum277/mvp_race_counting_stats_advanced_stats_and_team/

where's the trolls front runner Mitchell?

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah I went overboard lol

He has a role and the fact he stays relevant in today's league is props to him...especially with such limited offense.

limited offense yet one of the best offensive players in the league :cheers:

[Kblaze8855]

Towns won't trade his skills to do what Gobert does and he will continue to lose. Plenty of other players that try to do what he does. No one does it as well

Nobody especially good had ever tried to play like Gobert does other than Wilt who still had the ability to drop 50 at will. And he was still played through as a playmaker. Good offensive players have never been the screen and roll dunking almost exclusively type that allows such efficiency. It’s a waste of a good big. A shitty(skilled) big? That’s ideal. Today especially. Him, Chandler, DJ…Capela…all those guys have shot record numbers. But unlike guys who used to do that(Wilt….Gilmore) they don’t mix in being unstoppable one on one.

Just gift wrapped dunks the D would rather concede than get shelled from 3. Give him more ability and he shoots worse. Just how it is. Skilled players don’t and never will play that way. Whoever you think the best post players ever are…none of them would put up his offensive efficiency or screen assist numbers.

Coaches don’t use well rounded players that way. These modern bigs numbers are the result of coaches making the best of a bad situation. Give Rudy or DJ or Capela the skills to play like Jokic none of them would ever shoot 70%. As I said….numbers that require a skill deficit don’t make you elite.

Its nice to find a way to contribute and he’s doing the right thing by his team to play that way for the record. He’d be a bad teammate to demand the ball one on one like even inept bigs used to do.

Hes doing the right thing. It just doesn’t make him elite. Point blank…a better offensive player would never be asked to play that way.

[Xiao Yao You]

Nobody especially good had ever tried to play like Gobert does other than Wilt who still had the ability to drop 50 at will. And he was still played through as a playmaker. Good offensive players have never been the screen and roll dunking almost exclusively type that allows such efficiency. It’s a waste of a good big. A shitty(skilled) big? That’s ideal. Today especially. Him, Chandler, DJ…Capela…all those guys have shot record numbers. But unlike guys who used to do that(Wilt….Gilmore) they don’t mix in being unstoppable one on one.

Just gift wrapped dunks the D would rather concede than get shelled from 3. Give him more ability and he shoots worse. Just how it is. Skilled players don’t and never will play that way. Whoever you think the best post players ever are…none of them would put up his offensive efficiency or screen assist numbers.

Coaches don’t use well rounded players that way. These modern bigs numbers are the result of coaches making the best of a bad situation. Give Rudy or DJ or Capela the skills to play like Jokic none of them would ever shoot 70%. As I said….numbers that require a skill deficit don’t make you elite.

he's the best defender in the league. He's the best rebounder in the league. He's the best at many things in the league. He's elite. You can talk about the era or whatever but what he does is elite. No one else is doing any of it as well and there are many trying. Towns is an elite talent but who cares if it doesn't help you win games? They could let him shoot hook shots like they did Eaton at a 45% clip. Why would you not have him doing what he's the best at?

[Spurs m8]

Nobody especially good had ever tried to play like Gobert does other than Wilt who still had the ability to drop 50 at will. And he was still played through as a playmaker. Good offensive players have never been the screen and roll dunking almost exclusively type that allows such efficiency. It’s a waste of a good big. A shitty(skilled) big? That’s ideal. Today especially. Him, Chandler, DJ…Capela…all those guys have shot record numbers. But unlike guys who used to do that(Wilt….Gilmore) they don’t mix in being unstoppable one on one.

Just gift wrapped dunks the D would rather concede than get shelled from 3. Give him more ability and he shoots worse. Just how it is. Skilled players don’t and never will play that way. Whoever you think the best post players ever are…none of them would put up his offensive efficiency or screen assist numbers.

Coaches don’t use well rounded players that way. These modern bigs numbers are the result of coaches making the best of a bad situation. Give Rudy or DJ or Capela the skills to play like Jokic none of them would ever shoot 70%. As I said….numbers that require a skill deficit don’t make you elite.

Its nice to find a way to contribute and he’s doing the right thing by his team to play that way for the record. He’d be a bad teammate to demand the ball one on one like even inept bigs used to do.

Hes doing the right thing. It just doesn’t make him elite. Point blank…a better offensive player would never be asked to play that way.

Fantastic post

[noonereal]

Both well deserved, Mitchell has been insane this season and deserves to be in the MVP conversation :applause:

Embiid has been carrying Philly with Simmons out and Harris having a down year so far

https://mobile.twitter.com/thesteinline/status/1478456400078684161

Durant was better but lost time because of Covid.

[Kblaze8855]

he's the best defender in the league. He's the best rebounder in the league. He's the best at many things in the league. He's elite. You can talk about the era or whatever but what he does is elite. No one else is doing any of it as well and there are many trying. Towns is an elite talent but who cares if it doesn't help you win games? They could let him shoot hook shots like they did Eaton at a 45% clip. Why would you not have him doing what he's the best at?


I didn’t say he should be doing something different. I said numbers that require limited skills to even attempt that play style don’t make you elite. And neither does a Mutombo like combo of defense and rebounding. You can stretch elite to include those lesser players if you want but all it does is reduce the prestige of being elite not raise the guy to the previous level. You don’t have to be elite to be great. Mutombo is in the hall. He just wasn’t Jordan, Hakeem, or Shaq. And Rudy isn’t KD, Giannis, or whoever.

Its fine to not be the top tier of players. Most great players aren’t even close. And he isn’t.

[Xiao Yao You]

I didn’t say he should be doing something different. I said numbers that require limited skills to even attempt that play style don’t make you elite. And neither does a Mutombo like combo of defense and rebounding. You can stretch elite to include those lesser players if you want but all it does is reduce the prestige of being elite not raise the guy to the previous level. You don’t have to be elite to be great. Mutombo is in the hall. He just wasn’t Jordan, Hakeem, or Shaq. And Rudy isn’t KD, Giannis, or whoever.

Its fine to not be the top tier of players. Most great players aren’t even close. And he isn’t.

few are as impactful regardless of how he does it so in today's game he is elite. You and Stephen A. Smith can fawn over the "best player in franchise history" and I'll watch one of the best of his generation do it his way

[AirBonner]

Until Toody can get them out of the 2nd round he is no better than Tacko Fall

[Xiao Yao You]

Until Toody can get them out of the 2nd round he is no better than Tacko Fall

when Tacko Fall is carrying a franchise get back to me

[Kblaze8855]

few are as impactful regardless of how he does it so in today's game he is elite. You and Stephen A. Smith can fawn over the "best player in franchise history" and I'll watch one of the best of his generation do it his way

And no matter how many times you say it you call and offer him for KD, Giannis, Steph or the true elites and they laugh at you. They don’t run it by anyone. They don’t need to. The water boy up to the head coach all turn it down without a moments thought because nobody’s biggest fans determine reality.

Rudy is better than most of the people trolling you will admit but he’s not half what you act like he is either. The truth as always is somewhere in the middle.

[Xiao Yao You]

And no matter how many times you say it you call and offer him for KD, Giannis, Steph or the true elites and they laugh at you. They don’t run it by anyone. They don’t need to. The water boy up to the head coach all turn it down without a moments thought because nobody’s biggest fans determine reality.

Rudy is better than most of the people trolling you will admit but he’s not half what you act like he is either. The truth as always is somewhere in the middle.

when did I say anyone would trade any of those guys for him? Minnesota might not trade him for Towns. Doesn't suddenly make Towns better despite some that would still argue that shit because the guy has ELITE skills! One of the most impactful players in the game. The 3rd most important person in his franchise's history. Unlike the other two he hasn't haf an all timer next to him. There's no middle ground. With him they are one of the best teams. Without him they suck. They couldn't even tank successfully because he was too good

[zeerghit]

when Tacko Fall is carrying a franchise get back to me

nobody pays him 41m

[Xiao Yao You]

nobody pays him 41m

is anyone paying him at all?

[Spurs m8]

when did I say anyone would trade any of those guys for him? Minnesota might not trade him for Towns. Doesn't suddenly make Towns better despite some that would still argue that shit because the guy has ELITE skills! One of the most impactful players in the game. The 3rd most important person in his franchise's history. Unlike the other two he hasn't haf an all timer next to him. There's no middle ground. With him they are one of the best teams. Without him they suck. They couldn't even tank successfully because he was too good

Dude, you are delusional.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dude, you are delusional.

delusional about what? That they've been a horrible team without him? That he is better than Towns despite the love of empty stats by some? That few have his impact on a game? That no one else in the teams history has made them competitive overnight? :coleman:

[Kblaze8855]

You are an unusual combo I have to say. Legit long term fan and lover of defense….who still doesn’t seem to see beyond the surface. I love defense and usually we would be kindred spirits but somewhere along the way you stopped seeing the whole game it seems. Rudy Gobert is exactly the kind of player to make fools gold impact on advanced stats. He wipes out layups which kills half the game plan in a layup or 3 league but in the process he forces you to play killer regular season ball that is less effective when it counts.

Over the course of a year a lot of altered layups and prevented drives will show in impact stats as your team gets used to funneling everything to him both on purpose and out of ineptitude. Kinda like the Zo Heat who got blown by all year as he cleaned everything up to hide the fact that their great defense had huge perimeter holes at times.

You get to the playoffs and he’s not a 34 minute one night problem…but a 7 game “I get fired for losing” problem and coaches get serious about trying to minimize him.

Make him guard a 3 point shooter and you either get murdered or he steps out and a year of cleaning up would be layups has allowed his shitty defensive teammates to get complacent and it’s a layup line. You turn nobodies into impact guys because the DPOY makes your defense worse under some circumstances.

Gobert/Mutombo defense just isn’t as useful in 2020s as a Draymond type who can defend Chris Paul or Ayton.

Its incredibly useful in games that don’t matter but when it counts his admittedly great D is a hindrance in a league that sold its soul for offense.

Gobert in a corner might as well be Todd McCullough and if he stays in the paint his man is taking practice threes while his teammates have to play out of this world on offense to keep up.

Its not his fault but this league has limited his impact relative to old school defensive bigs because they don’t have to go into the paint to win….

Hes a 200 million dollar screener when it counts and he takes up the cap room a person who could carry you in those games could use….while also being a defensive liability vs any team with a good shooting tweener to stick in a corner.

Put a shooter in the corner Draymond can just have him defended with their worst defender and go make a difference on any of the 4 others.

He can’t easily be turned into a negative on defense.

Gobert old school guys like him have numerical impact enough to demand a cap hit that limits spending while at the same time being less impactful than they should be when the league hands itself over to guards.

You can game plan away a huge shot blocker. The league sold its soul to make it easy on guys like Mitchell. If the Jazz ever win it will be on the backs of the guards who have to make up for Gobert being less useful in the playoffs. It isn’t as simple as who is better…it’s who the league has decided to let be effective for entertainment purposes.

But whatever the reason?

Gobert just isn’t the impact player he could be by shutting down the lane 30 years ago. Having to pay him max money but then have to win in spite of him being mitigated when it counts is a franchise handcuff. The style they win with all year is simply not as effective vs a prepared team while the elite players have the league rigged to make it impossible to guard them.

Dude simply isn’t as useful for important winning as a lot of less statistically impactful people because those stats can’t account for easy exploits for a few key moments when it matters. It doesn’t matter how many layups you change in November when you are a 35% from 3 night from a role player away from hurting your team. And unlike a Giannis or KD he can’t go get you 40-50 to make up for it.

He just doesn’t have the total game to be elite or the era for his defense to make up for it vs any coach with a brain.

His limitations will always make them reliant on guards when it counts. Always. And we aren’t talking Bill Russell who was like 4th in the nba in assists and coached the team.

If he can’t score or stay in the paint on defense(and he can’t vs small ball) he’s fools gold for life. It can’t be his team when it counts. Players like that are not elite.

[Xiao Yao You]

You are an unusual combo I have to say. Legit long term fan and lover of defense….who still doesn’t seem to see beyond the surface. I love defense and usually we would be kindred spirits but somewhere along the way you stopped seeing the whole game it seems. Rudy Gobert is exactly the kind of player to make fools gold impact on advanced stats. He wipes out layups which kills half the game plan in a layup or 3 league but in the process he forces you to play killer regular season ball that is less effective when it counts.

Over the course of a year a lot of altered layups and prevented drives will show in impact stats as your team gets used to funneling everything to him both on purpose and out of ineptitude. Kinda like the Zo Heat who got blown by all year as he cleaned everything up to hide the fact that their great defense had huge perimeter holes at times.

You get to the playoffs and he’s not a 34 minute one night problem…but a 7 game “I get fired for losing” problem and coaches get serious about trying to minimize him.

Make him guard a 3 point shooter and you either get murdered or he steps out and a year of cleaning up would be layups has allowed his shitty defensive teammates to get complacent and it’s a layup line. You turn nobodies into impact guys because the DPOY makes your defense worse under some circumstances.

Gobert/Mutombo defense just isn’t as useful in 2020s as a Draymond type who can defend Chris Paul or Ayton.

Its incredibly useful in games that don’t matter but when it counts his admittedly great D is a hindrance in a league that sold its soul for offense.

Gobert in a corner might as well be Todd McCullough and if he stays in the paint his man is taking practice threes while his teammates have to play out of this world on offense to keep up.

Its not his fault but this league has limited his impact relative to old school defensive bigs because they don’t have to go into the paint to win….

Hes a 200 million dollar screener when it counts and he takes up the cap room a person who could carry you in those games could use….while also being a defensive liability vs any team with a good shooting tweener to stick in a corner.

Put a shooter in the corner Draymond can just have him defended with their worst defender and go make a difference on any of the 4 others.

He can’t easily be turned into a negative on defense.

Gobert old school guys like him have numerical impact enough to demand a cap hit that limits spending while at the same time being less impactful than they should be when the league hands itself over to guards.

You can game plan away a huge shot blocker. The league sold its soul to make it easy on guys like Mitchell. If the Jazz ever win it will be on the backs of the guards who have to make up for Gobert being less useful in the playoffs. It isn’t as simple as who is better…it’s who the league has decided to let be effective for entertainment purposes.

But whatever the reason?

Gobert just isn’t the impact player he could be by shutting down the lane 30 years ago. Having to pay him max money but then have to win in spite of him being mitigated when it counts is a franchise handcuff. The style they win with all year is simply not as effective vs a prepared team while the elite players have the league rigged to make it impossible to guard them.

Dude simply isn’t as useful for important winning as a lot of less statistically impactful people because those stats can’t account for easy exploits for a few key moments when it matters. It doesn’t matter how many layups you change in November when you are a 35% from 3 night from a role player away from hurting your team. And unlike a Giannis or KD he can’t go get you 40-50 to make up for it.

He just doesn’t have the total game to be elite or the era for his defense to make up for it vs any coach with a brain.

His limitations will always make them reliant on guards when it counts. Always. And we aren’t talking Bill Russell who was like 4th in the nba in assists and coached the team.

If he can’t score or stay in the paint on defense(and he can’t vs small ball) he’s fools gold for life. It can’t be his team when it counts. Players like that are not elite.

It's not his fault that his teammates can't guard the perimeter and he has to while also trying to guard the paint at the same time. Not his fault that no one can protect the paint when he goes to the perimeter. Not his fault that they don't get him the ball when they try put a little guy on him. Not his fault that his coach won't make adjustments. It's still a team game. Only one team wins every year. His team has been flawed. As I said without him they'd be in the lottery

[Kblaze8855]

If course his team is flawed. The problem is you act like he’s not one of them. You can both make your team better and make it hard for them to win. Some long term effective approaches just aren’t situationally effective. And the style making him featured requires is one of them.

[RRR3]

Kblaze hitting Xiao with a cold dose of reality :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

I was watching them one game and they seemed to slip into zone. If they stick to it long enough to get used to it and don’t worry about losing a few games to do it they could be a problem. There are workarounds for the problem. I just hate having to come up with a work around for the DPOY on defense. The NBA has made it damn near impossible to keep anybody in front of you on the perimeter. The solution will not be that. The nba doesn’t want it.

[Akeem34TheDream]

delusional about what? That they've been a horrible team without him? That he is better than Towns despite the love of empty stats by some? That few have his impact on a game? That no one else in the teams history has made them competitive overnight? :coleman:

KAT isnt elite either.

[Xiao Yao You]

If course his team is flawed. The problem is you act like he’s not one of them. You can both make your team better and make it hard for them to win. Some long term effective approaches just aren’t situationally effective. And the style making him featured requires is one of them.


every player is flawed. You build around your best player who is Gobert. This is a team that thought it was a good idea to stick Rubio and Favors in the corner after we saw what happens with 5 guys spreading the floor the season before. For the past 3 years they haven't had a PF.

[Xiao Yao You]

KAT isnt elite either.

we know that but the people voting him all NBA don't

[Spurs m8]

It's not his fault that his teammates can't guard the perimeter and he has to while also trying to guard the paint at the same time. Not his fault that no one can protect the paint when he goes to the perimeter. Not his fault that they don't get him the ball when they try put a little guy on him. Not his fault that his coach won't make adjustments. It's still a team game. Only one team wins every year. His team has been flawed. As I said without him they'd be in the lottery

They would not be lottery without him

Fvck

[Mask the Embiid]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-19-2015/wBy-_r.gif

[Manny98]

They would not be lottery without him

Fvck
Conley
Mitchell
O'Neal
Bogdan
Whiteside

Clarkson, Ingles and Gay off the bench

That's a playoff team right there

[Xiao Yao You]

They would not be lottery without him

Fvck

they were awful the 3 times he was hurt. They were tanking when he first emerged. True until proven wrong. They would have to try to out score teams without the best defender, best screener, best roller, best rebounder, best finisher, etc. Good luck with that! :roll:

[RRR3]

Best finisher lmfao. Yeah Rudy Toody is a better finisher than Giannis and LeBron :yaohappy:

[RRR3]

Conley
Mitchell
O'Neal
Bogdan
Whiteside

Clarkson, Ingles and Gay off the bench

That's a playoff team right there
Xiao is too braindead to realize it though. Poor troll.

[Xiao Yao You]

Conley
Mitchell
O'Neal
Bogdan
Whiteside

Clarkson, Ingles and Gay off the bench

That's a playoff team right there

Whiteside is on a minimum deal for a reason. Clarkson sucks. Ingles and Gay are looking old suddenly. Their small ball lineup with Gay at the 5 has been a disaster. Conley and O'Neale the only ones that play D or pass the ball. You forgot COTY. He'd be even more lost without the guy that's carried him the past 7 years. No more open looks. No more matador D with Gobert saving your ass. Looks like a shit show to me

[Xiao Yao You]

RR3 and Spurs M8 just can't quit me as much as they threaten to. Sad :oldlol:

[MadDog]

You'd think after Rudy was sonned in the playoffs, this superfan would quit posting BS. Guess not :oldlol: Like that Harden fanboy who was wrong every postseason, but came back to start the year talking nonsense.

And like that poster, this one gets too many replies. Probably a troll account.

[RRR3]

Xiao can’t quit being jealous of Mitchell. Sad.

[Xiao Yao You]

You'd think after Rudy was sonned in the playoffs, this superfan would quit posting BS. Guess not :oldlol: Like that Harden fanboy who was wrong every postseason, but came back to start the year talking nonsense.

Like that poster, this one gets too many replies. Probably a troll account.

having his best year at both ends. The guy just keeps getting better :applause:

[MadDog]

having his best year at both ends. The guy just keeps getting better :applause:

Keep that same energy in the playoffs. Don't forget Terance Mann and PG ate filet mignon on Rudy. :oldlol:

[AirBonner]

Keep that same energy in the playoffs. Don't forget Terance Mann and PG ate filet mignon on Rudy. :oldlol:

I could see the grizzlies eating them up this year. New year same problem lol

[Manny98]

Player of the month awards

Mitchell 1
Toody 0

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

[Xiao Yao You]

Player of the month awards

Mitchell 1
Toody 0

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

let's count the real hardware troll. All NBA, All D, DPOTY... :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz injury report is pretty lengthy: Out-Ingles (H&S protocol) QUESTIONABLE - Gobert (Shoulder Inflammation), Bogdanovic (finger Sprain), O’Neale (Right Patellar Tendonitis), Whiteside (concussion), Dok (ankle). PROBABLE -Mitchell (lower back) and Clarkson (Back Tightness)

Should be able to take care of a depleted Denver team even without their best player :roll:

[Manny98]

Mitchell on pace to make the NBA first team this year whilst Gobert will sit firmly behind Jokic and Embiid on the 3rd team once again

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

[Manny98]

Should be able to take care of a depleted Denver team even without their best player :roll:
Toody ducking Joker?

Most durable player in the NBA hasn't missed a single game is all of the sudden injured:roll:
:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell on pace to make the NBA first team this year whilst Gobert will sit firmly behind Jokic and Embiid on the 3rd team once again

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

you act like being behind those guys is a bad thing. Gobert will still be the best Jazz player

[Xiao Yao You]

Toody ducking Joker?

Most durable player in the NBA hasn't missed a single game is all of the sudden injured:roll:
:roll:

poor trolls :facepalm

[Spurs m8]

they were awful the 3 times he was hurt. They were tanking when he first emerged. True until proven wrong. They would have to try to out score teams without the best defender, best screener, best roller, best rebounder, best finisher, etc. Good luck with that! :roll:

He also missed the playoffs most of the time until Mitchell arrived.

This is also very different to when they were tanking, that's irrelevant.

I'm done with you, you live in fantasy land

[Manny98]

you act like being behind those guys is a bad thing. Gobert will still be the best Jazz player
No shame in being the third best center in the league just not all NBA 1st team material like Mitchell is this year :cheers:

[RRR3]

Toody ducking Joker?

Most durable player in the NBA hasn't missed a single game is all of the sudden injured:roll:
:roll:
Poor guy has PTSD from Jokic roasting him every time they match up. Probably wet the bed last night just thinking about it :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

He also missed the playoffs most of the time until Mitchell arrived.

This is also very different to when they were tanking, that's irrelevant.

I'm done with you, you live in fantasy land

they were tanking his 2nd season when he emerged in December. 6th best record after trading Kanter and making him the starter. Tried to tank the next season despite that and they only missed the playoffs because he was hurt and they didn't trade for for the veteran pg they needed in 3rd stringer Mack until it was too late. Finally tried to win the following year because Hayward was in the last year of his deal. Were closer to the top pick in the draft than the playoffs until Gobert came back from injury and carried them to the 5th seed Mitchell's rookie year despite Rubio and Favors spotting up in the corner

Done with me again :roll:

[Proctor]

Lots of melting down from Xiao tonight about Rudy still being the Jazz's third or fourth best player...:cheers:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

[Xiao Yao You]

No shame in being the third best center in the league just not all NBA 1st team material like Mitchell is this year :cheers:

center position is stronger because Gobert is the best player on his team regardless

[Proctor]

No shame in being the third best center in the league just not all NBA 1st team material like Mitchell is this year :cheers:
:cheers:

[RRR3]

Lots of melting down from Xiao tonight about Rudy still being the Jazz's third or fourth best player...:cheers:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif
Fourth? Who would be over him besides Mitchell and Conley?

[Proctor]

Fourth? Who would be over him besides Mitchell and Conley?
Bojan :cheers:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGDQ9WcR/donovan-mitchell-joueur-de-basket.gif

[imdaman99]

https://i.redd.it/3zrkh8ydvr981.jpg

You can't tell me he didn't wanna be a Knick, but good thing Phil Jackson wanted a triangle point guard and picked Frank Ntilikina... sigh :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Sarah Todd: Rudy Gobert did not participate in shootaround this morning with the Jazz (non-Covid related (https://*********.com/social/) illness)

– via Twitter NBASarah (https://twitter.com/NBASarah)



good thing they have the best player in franchise history to carry them

[Manny98]

Rudy avoiding Jokic like the plague :roll::roll::roll:

[RRR3]

All I know is if Mitchell beats the best player in the league on his home court without Rudy, Toody is gonna look pretty ****ing overrated. Xiao better pray for a Jazz loss because Manny, Proctor and I are gonna be eating GOOD tonight if the Jazz win

[Spurs m8]

All I know is if Mitchell beats the best player in the league on his home court without Rudy, Toody is gonna look pretty ****ing overrated. Xiao better pray for a Jazz loss because Manny, Proctor and I are gonna be eating GOOD tonight if the Jazz win

It's funny because Xiao will be sitting there literally hoping his team lose lmfao

[Spurs m8]

https://i.ibb.co/V2yKghJ/received-647763526639621.jpg

[Xiao Yao You]

can't quit me :oldlol:

[Gohan]

https://i.ibb.co/V2yKghJ/received-647763526639621.jpg

Damn i feel bad for whoever had to guard kobe and iverson back in the day. With that response

[Xiao Yao You]

Damn i feel bad for whoever had to guard kobe and iverson back in the day. With that response

yeah it must've sucked if AI shot over 40% against you

[RRR3]

yeah it must've sucked if AI shot over 40% against you
Iverson>Toody.

[Xiao Yao You]

can't quit me! :roll:

[Axe]

Remember that day when ben simmons dropped 42 over cumbersome baguette last season.

[Xiao Yao You]

Remember that day when ben simmons dropped 42 over cumbersome baguette last season.

and was actually only 3-7 against Gobert. Poor trolls :facepalm

[Axe]

Oh, and they blew their series lead against the clippers during the semifinals in last year's playoffs too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Oh, and they blew their series lead against the clippers during the semifinals in last year's playoffs too.

without their 2nd best player

[Axe]

Clippers also missed kawhi leonard in games 5-6 so what's your point lol

[Magic Is Magic]

Both well deserved and a nicely freshened change of air pace.