Saying Zion will end up like Larry Johnson doesn't sound so crazy anymore does it?

[3ba11]

Even if he comes back healthy for a while, does anyone still have soaring expectations of HOF career?

Seems like other players are getting better and getting their teams better, while Zion is stagnant and losing his edge.

That's what happens when players lose critical development years - they fall back to the pack - similar to Kuzma after losing several development years standing in the corner in Lebron-ball.

[ShawkFactory]

You made a Zion thread to talk about Lebron ball

[3ba11]

You made a Zion thread to talk about Lebron ball


He could be a good illustration of what happens when guys lose a few of their development years.. they fall back to the pack, like Kuzma

[SpaceJam]

Is that similar to Horace Grant/B.J. Armstrong? Lost critical development years under Jordan-ball, fell back to the pack. Than proceeded to have all-star seasons after? Just so we on the same page here

[ShawkFactory]

He could be a good illustration of what happens when guys lose a few of their development years.. they fall back to the pack, like Kuzma

Could be? He hasn't played yet, so it's pointless to have this discussion. Last time he was on the court he was one of the most effective players in the game.

Again...you made this thread to talk about Kuzma/Lebron. Just own it and don't be a weasel.

[SouBeachTalents]

Even if he comes back healthy for a while, does anyone still have soaring expectations of HOF career?

Seems like other players are getting better and getting their teams better, while Zion is stagnant and losing his edge.

That's what happens when players lose critical development years - they fall back to the pack - similar to Kuzma after losing several development years standing in the corner in Lebron-ball.
And here I thought you actually made a thread that had nothing to do with LeBron/Jordan/Pippen :lol But based on 8 years of evidence, you might literally be incapable of doing that.

[Dray n Klay]

Is that similar to Horace Grant/B.J. Armstrong? Lost critical development years under Jordan-ball, fell back to the pack. Than proceeded to have all-star seasons after? Just so we on the same page here

Got em

[3ba11]

Is that similar to Horace Grant/B.J. Armstrong? Lost critical development years under Jordan-ball, fell back to the pack. Than proceeded to have all-star seasons after? Just so we on the same page here



Show me where they achieved dominant stats or outplayed league MVP or FMVP's like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie or AD... Grant/BJ/Pippen were role players by comparison, with role player production

And show me where they were equal-scoring partners to Jordan like Lebron's sidekicks were for various playoff runs and all Finals wins .. Grant/BJ/Pippen averaged 10-30 less than Jordan in every series of their career, aka carried by Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention/burden.

[SpaceJam]

Show me where they achieved dominant stats or outplayed league MVP or FMVP's like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie or AD... Grant/BJ/Pippen were role players by comparison, with role player production

And show me where they were equal-scoring partners to Jordan like Lebron's sidekicks were for various playoff runs and all Finals wins .. Grant/BJ/Pippen averaged 10-30 less than Jordan in every series of their career, aka carried by Jordan, who always defeated maximum defensive attention/burden.

When has Kuzma ever met this criteria? As per your example in the 1st post

[TheCorporation]

You made a Zion thread to talk about Lebron ball

:roll::roll:

[John8204]

Even if he comes back healthy for a while, does anyone still have soaring expectations of HOF career?

Seems like other players are getting better and getting their teams better, while Zion is stagnant and losing his edge.

That's what happens when players lose critical development years - they fall back to the pack - similar to Kuzma after losing several development years standing in the corner in Lebron-ball.

Everyone gets better when they leave that team. I think Zion has a limited window and as long as he stays fat he doesn't have to waste his years on a sub .500 team.

[3ba11]

When has Kuzma ever met this criteria? As per your example in the 1st post


He didn't get a chance because Lebron never stood in the corner for Kuzma (never elevated him).

Being an assist target off-ball elevates teammate role to playmaker, while making the role easier by providing spacing and a bailout option (being an assist target)..

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles, and therefore never learned how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

[ShawkFactory]

He didn't get a chance because Lebron never stood in the corner for Kuzma (never elevated him).

Being an assist target off-ball elevates teammate role to playmaker, while making the role easier by providing spacing and a bailout option (being an assist target)..

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles, and therefore never learned how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

A chance to what?

You seem to be implying that Kuzma has some sort of playmaking gift or something that Lebron stole.

[3ba11]

A chance to what?

You seem to be implying that Kuzma has some sort of playmaking gift or something that Lebron stole.


He had a scoring gift, but Lebron destroys scoring forwards like Jamison, Love, Bosh or Kuzma, and he destroys spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Hughes, Ingram, Wade or Pippen

Wide swathes of players don't fit with Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance... Bad fits = skill deficit

[ShawkFactory]

He had a scoring gift, but Lebron destroys scoring forwards like Jamison, Love, Bosh or Kuzma, and he destroys spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Hughes, Ingram, Wade or Pippen

Wide swathes of players don't fit with Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance... Bad fits = skill deficit

In what respect? Please, share with me his strengths as a scorer. They are there..just in case other people think I'm calling Kuzma trash or something.

But they aren't what you so desperately hope for them to be.

[Akeem34TheDream]

You made a Zion thread to talk about Lebron ball

:roll:

[3ba11]

In what respect? Please, share with me his strengths as a scorer. They are there..just in case other people think I'm calling Kuzma trash or something.

But they aren't what you so desperately hope for them to be.


Kuzma is a pure scorer and there isn't really a particular way to score that he can't do.. He just never got a chance to develop/get really good at any one thing, so now he's more of a role player than star.

Ultimately, the Zion example shows that even "sure things" can be hurt by missing a few years, let alone borderline guys like Kuzma that could go either way depending on circumstance/environment and therefore need optimal situations to reach their potential.

Of course, Bron-ball has proven extremely suboptimal for scoring forwards (Kuzma, Jamison, Love, Bosh) and spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Hughes, Pippen, Ingram, Wade).. bad fits = skill deficit

[ShawkFactory]

Kuzma is a pure scorer and there isn't really a particular way to score that he can't do.. He just never got a chance to develop/get really good at any one thing, so now he's more of a role player than star.

Ultimately, the Zion example shows that even "sure things" can be hurt by missing a few years, let alone borderline guys like Kuzma that could go either way depending on circumstance/environment and therefore need optimal situations to reach their potential.

Of course, Bron-ball has proven extremely suboptimal for scoring forwards (Kuzma, Jamison, Love, Bosh) and spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Hughes, Pippen, Ingram, Wade).. bad fits = skill deficit

No, he's not. He has no first step and his handle is extremely weak. Always was.

He's a good spot up shooter and he excels scoring in transition and cutting to the basket off-ball and finishing.

It's funny that someone can be talking about a player who currently plays and just be so wrong about who he is and what he is/was good at doing. Like..just blatantly wrong. Or lying.

[1987_Lakers]

No, he's not. He has no first step and his handle is extremely weak. Always was.

He's a good spot up shooter and he excels scoring in transition and cutting to the basket off-ball and finishing.

It's funny that someone can be talking about a player who currently plays and just be so wrong about who he is and what he/was good at doing. Like..just blatantly wrong. Or lying.
It's pretty obvious 3ball has no clue about players today, asking him for a scouting report on a current player is like asking a blind man what color the sky is.

[sdot_thadon]

What I wonder is why you abandoned that other thread you got stomped out in?

[3ba11]

What I wonder is why you abandoned that other thread you got stomped out in?


I didn't abandon anything and I can't even comprehend the rest of what you said.. You were talking about a different poster apparently

[ShawkFactory]

It's pretty obvious 3ball has no clue about players today, asking him for a scouting report on a current player is like asking a blind man what color the sky is.

Yep. He'll just ignore that post and then come back tomorrow and say how Lebron destroys scoring ball-handlers like Kuzma.

[SpaceJam]

Pure scorer Kyle Kuzma had his best PPG output alongside GOAT talent elevator Bron :applause:

[3ba11]

No, he's not. He has no first step and his handle is extremely weak. Always was.

He's a good spot up shooter and he excels scoring in transition and cutting to the basket off-ball and finishing.

It's funny that someone can be talking about a player who currently plays and just be so wrong about who he is and what he is/was good at doing. Like..just blatantly wrong. Or lying.


You don't know what a pure scorer is, let alone look at a scouting report

I saw Kuzma for literally 3 possessions in my life and can break his game down and all his moves better than you

[ShawkFactory]

You don't know what a pure scorer is, let alone look at a scouting report

I saw Kuzma for literally 3 possessions in my life and can break his game down and all his moves better than you

It shows.

[3ba11]

It shows.


says a 5'8" bum that never got anywhere near a ball in his life

[TheCorporation]

says a 5'8" bum that never got anywhere near a ball in his life

Andrew chill...

[ShawkFactory]

says a 5'8" bum that never got anywhere near a ball in his life

Someone defeated ^

[1987_Lakers]

says a 5'8" bum that never got anywhere near a ball in his life

meltdown

[ShawkFactory]

meltdown

You know you got 3ball spinning when he breaks character :lol

[3ba11]

meltdown


Did you guys play D1 and against many NBA players

Do you know what it's like to chest-to-chest someone or break their ankles?

Oh okay.. that's what I thought

You're analysis of kuzma was skip-bayless level

[1987_Lakers]

Did you guys play D1 and against many NBA players

Do you know what it's like to chest-to-chest someone or break their ankles?

Oh okay.. that's what I thought

You're analysis of kuzma was skip-bayless level

A poster already exposed you as a fraud. You never played D1.

[3ba11]

A poster already exposed you as a fraud. You never played D1.


RRR3 literally confirmed that I did and he had to change his wording from "you never played".... to "you never had a long career"

[ShawkFactory]

Did you guys play D1 and against many NBA players

Do you know what it's like to chest-to-chest someone or break their ankles?

Oh okay.. that's what I thought

You're analysis of kuzma was skip-bayless level

Your analysis of everything is below Skip Bayless level in that not only do you say nothing, but you're also disingenuous at best and a liar at worst.

Watch Kuzma play please. When he has a defender squared up on him he is not good at creating his own shot. At all. He moves well in a straight line and has good hands but his feet are slow laterally.

And the kicker? He has really no ability to make those contested jump shots you always deem so important.

[1987_Lakers]

RRR3 literally confirmed that I did and he had to change his wording from "you never played".... to "you never had a long career"

And you literally confirmed LeBron = MJ in another forum.

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png

[3ba11]

Your analysis of everything is below Skip Bayless level in that not only do you say nothing, but you're also disingenuous at best and a liar at worst.

Watch Kuzma play please. When he has a defender squared up on him he is not good at creating his own shot. At all. He moves well in a straight line and has good hands but his feet are slow laterally.

And the kicker? He has really no ability to make those contested jump shots you always deem so important.


Kuzma was a talented scorer but he's come back to the pack by missing a few years of development like Zion..

Ultimately, the Zion example shows that even "sure things" can be hurt by missing a few years, let alone borderline guys like Kuzma that could go either way depending on circumstance/environment (and therefore need optimal situations to reach their potential, aka 88' pippen).

Of course, Bron-ball has proven extremely suboptimal for scoring forwards (Kuzma, Jamison, Love, Bosh) and spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Hughes, Pippen, Ingram, Wade).. bad fits = skill deficit

[ShawkFactory]

Kuzma was a talented scorer but he's come back to the pack by missing a few years of development like Zion..

Ultimately, the Zion example shows that even "sure things" can be hurt by missing a few years, let alone borderline guys like Kuzma that could go either way depending on circumstance/environment (and therefore need optimal situations to reach their potential, aka 88' pippen).

Of course, Bron-ball has proven extremely suboptimal for scoring forwards (Kuzma, Jamison, Love, Bosh) and spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Hughes, Pippen, Ingram, Wade).. bad fits = skill deficit

His game is exactly the same as it's always been. He couldn't shake defenders his rookie year. 36% of his shots were spot up 3s, 55% of his buckets were without taking a single dribble (both of which suggest a high assisted rate), and only 8% of his shots came with a defender within 4 feet of him. And he shot 34% in such instances.

All of that backs up what I've already told you. But you've done as I've suspected which is ignore the facts.

[Phoenix]

That's what happens when players lose critical development years - they fall back to the pack - similar to Kuzma after losing several development years standing in the corner in Lebron-ball.

Ahhh, the real point of the thread. Good one 3nut....

[TheCorporation]

You know you got 3ball spinning when he breaks character :lol

:lol Yep

[Phoenix]

You don't know what a pure scorer is, let alone look at a scouting report

I saw Kuzma for literally 3 possessions in my life and can break his game down and all his moves better than you

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

Imagine posting that like if it's a good thing. Lol

[TheCorporation]

Imagine posting that like if it's a good thing. Lol

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball is a glutton for punishment :lol

[RRR3]

And you literally confirmed LeBron = MJ in another forum.

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png
He didn’t play college ball he’s lying which is why he won’t attempt to prove it.

[zeerghit]

Did you guys play D1 and against many NBA players

Do you know what it's like to chest-to-chest someone or break their ankles?

Oh okay.. that's what I thought

You're analysis of kuzma was skip-bayless level

:roll::roll:

[AirBonner]

Op likes to go chest to chest with other men

[Full Court]

Op likes to go chest to chest with other men

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/08/g2192_photo19.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=500

[3ba11]

And you literally confirmed LeBron = MJ in another forum.

https://i.ibb.co/XCD6m9n/3-Ball-Le-Bron-is-the-GOAT.png


That's me saying what the other poster thought

You guys are just too dumb to concede your losing argument - Lebron is nowhere near MJ - so you have to make stuff up and pretend you were there 10 years ago when I had that conversation

The mods also altered and deleted my good posts, just like the bitchmade mods do on this forum