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3ba11

01-08-2022, 12:48 PM

You were wrong about Malik Monk - how could anyone not tell that he's good?

How could anyone not tell Ingram was good?

Oh I forgot.. you guys never played and learned the game on the internet.. you literally watch Nick Wright with your head resting in your hands, glued to every word he says.

In b4 someone posts my famous Oubre/Klay troll

MadDog

01-08-2022, 12:58 PM

RRR3

01-08-2022, 12:59 PM

Good points. For all the praise LeBron has gotten, Monk has been right there with him. If he can maintain similar production with AD, nobody will wanna see the Lakers.
Don’t encourage him.

ShawkFactory

01-08-2022, 01:03 PM

Good points. For all the praise LeBron has gotten, Monk has been right there with him. Fanboys gotta keep that same energy. If Monk can maintain similar production with AD, nobody will wanna see the Lakers.

VERY doubtful. Unless AD is cool with 3-4 less shots a game than he’d normally have.

Once AD comes back I’m guessing Bron will chill with the scoring so that helps too.

Instead of 20 or whatever I think he’ll be a 15ish kind of guy once AD plays.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 01:10 PM

VERY doubtful. Unless AD is cool with 3-4 less shots a game than he’d normally have.

Once AD comes back I’m guessing Bron will chill with the scoring so that helps too.

Instead of 20 or whatever I think he’ll be a 15ish kind of guy once AD plays.

Jordan won with just 1 teammate getting "monk" production

Why does Lebron needs 2 guys like that and AD?... It's clear that his frontcourt ball-dominance is ridiculously suboptimal and needs unprecedented help......

which makes him nowhere near Jordan, who won more with less because his skillset was capable of winning with chemistry, not just talent like Lebron

RRR3

01-08-2022, 01:17 PM

Duh-uhhhhh-uhhhh me stupid duhhhh huhhh durrr
:roll:

3ba11

01-08-2022, 01:24 PM

This is the first highlight I ever saw of Malik Monk:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=76Lc2eq1OM8

good god....notice how quickly he sets up the optimal footwork - he quickly puts the ball from his left to right hand to set up the tomahawk - JUST LIKE MJ - derrick rose couldn't do that - not exactly like that, aka optimal footwork and navigation efficiency.. he dunked that like a TALLER guy

I knew the kid was special when I saw him c*ck that hammer like MJ... It's the optimal FOOTWORK that I noticed, and how quickly he could set up the optimal takeoff and c*ck that hammer

If Monk is becoming everything I thought he would be (superstar) the Lakers will CRUISE to the title this year.. they won't even need AD to be fully healthy.. Monk is a more athletic Booker

RRR3

01-08-2022, 01:33 PM

^the delusional ravings of a braindead invertebrate

Akeem34TheDream

01-08-2022, 01:33 PM

3ball is into c*cks

tontoz

01-08-2022, 02:08 PM

OP doesn't even watch games but he wants to lecture on the eye test :facepalm

hateraid

01-08-2022, 02:11 PM

OP doesn't even watch games but he wants to lecture on the eye test :facepalm

Lol, I came in here to post the exact same thing.

OP rarely ever has context outside of stats.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 02:22 PM

OP doesn't even watch games but he wants to lecture on the eye test :facepalm

When I first discovered online posting and forums, my initial posts were ALL EYE TEST

So I would say "Lebron is too ball-dominant", or "Lebron monopolizes the action and marginalizes teammates into role players"

The response from other posters was "who cares about your eye test - everyone has one - it means nothing.... STATS and EVIDENCE is what we respond to."

From that point forward, I sought stats to support my eye test, and that's the recipe of my posts - they're eye tests that are fully supported by stats

For example, we know that Lebron marginalizes teammates because he lowers their assists (play-making) and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing), so he literally reduces teammates to play-finishers and spot-up roles.. Lower teammate assists result in low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level.

Further evidence of teammate marginalization is seen with the time of possession stats... Lebron starts at forward but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time).. These 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and struggles on the championship level.

Again, all my posts are eye tests that are fully supported by stats..

tontoz

01-08-2022, 02:27 PM

copy and paste post #50,821

You fully admitted you don't even watch games which makes it impossible for your "eye test" to have any validity.

For the record Monk's TS of 61.8% is the best of his career by far. His ORTG of 116 is also a career best by far.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 02:34 PM

You fully admitted you don't even watch games which makes it impossible for your "eye test" to have any validity.

For the record Monk's TS of 61.8% is the best of his career by far. His ORTG of 116 is also a career best by far.

I watch YouTube highlights of high school players before they become pro, which is how I knew Ingram, Monk, and Kuminga would be good.

And I watched basketball up until about 2012, so I knew Lebron's game better than you do now.. Ditto Kobe, KD, Harden or Westbrook.. I saw Harden live when he was at Artesia HS.

Finally, I use MJ and his footwork/skillset/form as the standard for optimal play - this allows me to assess players much quicker and easier than you because I've become an expert at determining how someone's game differs from Michaels - their moves, footwork, shooting form and STYLE OF PLAY (on-ball, off-ball)

SouBeachTalents

01-08-2022, 02:35 PM

You fully admitted you don't even watch games which makes it impossible for your "eye test" to have any validity.
:roll: He walked right into that one

3ba11

01-08-2022, 02:37 PM

:roll: He walked right into that one

YouTube anyone?

Goat-level eye testers only need to see 1 or 2 possessions to gauge a player, let alone an entire highlight reel of a game or career

smh, wow you guys are slow

ELITEpower23

01-08-2022, 02:40 PM

OP said

Oubre > Klay
Hughes > Pippen
Big Z > Pippen
Kobe > LeBron

Which basically certifies him as having a metal deficiency of the highest order.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 02:42 PM

OP said

Oubre > Klay
Hughes > Pippen
Big Z > Pippen
Kobe > LeBron

Which basically certifies him as having a metal deficiency of the highest order.

05' Hughes was vastly superior to 88-90' Pippen based on..... everything... Scoring, assists, efficiency, defense, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP

Ditto 2x all-star Zydrunas

So Lebron was gifted 2 players that were already achieving prime Pippen stats... Actually, he was gifted 10 players in his career that achieved prime Pippen stats the prior year .. :eek:

And Oubre/Klay was an obvious troll,

ShawkFactory

01-08-2022, 02:48 PM

Jordan won with just 1 teammate getting "monk" production

Why does Lebron needs 2 guys like that and AD?... It's clear that his frontcourt ball-dominance is ridiculously suboptimal and needs unprecedented help......

which makes him nowhere near Jordan, who won more with less because his skillset was capable of winning with chemistry, not just talent like Lebron

In the post you quoted, I was discussing what Monks production might look like once AD comes back. Not...whatever it is you’re talking about.

tontoz

01-08-2022, 03:02 PM

OP just invented his own criteria for evaluating players. It's called the "youtube test".

ImKobe

01-08-2022, 03:08 PM

VERY doubtful. Unless AD is cool with 3-4 less shots a game than he’d normally have.

Once AD comes back I’m guessing Bron will chill with the scoring so that helps too.

Instead of 20 or whatever I think he’ll be a 15ish kind of guy once AD plays.

It's just not happening. He's had to shoot 48% from 3 on 8 attempts the last 7 games to get to his 21.9 ppg average. It's obviously just a hot streak and in reality he's a 16-18 ppg scorer if given the same kind of volume over a larger sample size at best.

I'm fine with him shooting a ton of 3s because that opens up the rest of the offense for this team, he should be the #1 3PA guy on this roster to really open up the paint for Bron and AD.

ShawkFactory

01-08-2022, 03:10 PM

It's just not happening. He's had to shoot 48% from 3 on 8 attempts the last 7 games to get to his 21.9 ppg average. It's obviously just a hot streak and in reality he's a 16-18 ppg scorer if given the same kind of volume over a larger sample size at best.

I'm fine with him shooting a ton of 3s because that opens up the rest of the offense for this team, he should be the #1 3PA guy on this roster to really open up the paint for Bron and AD.

Well yea, there’s that. I don’t disagree.

hateraid

01-08-2022, 03:11 PM

You fully admitted you don't even watch games which makes it impossible for your "eye test" to have any validity.

For the record Monk's TS of 61.8% is the best of his career by far. His ORTG of 116 is also a career best by far.

I've never watched curling in my life. But after watching selective footage on YouTube I know the sport inside out. I back it up with curlingreference.com

So I can relate to 3ball. Seems legit

SouBeachTalents

01-08-2022, 03:16 PM

Thread title

You nerds learned basketball on the internet have no eye test

In the same exact thread

05' Hughes was vastly superior to 88-90' Pippen based on..... everything... Scoring, assists, efficiency, defense, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP

You HAVE to be trolling, or you have some kind of autism which causes you to have zero awareness. Those are the only possible explanations.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 03:33 PM

I've never watched curling in my life. But after watching selective footage on YouTube I know the sport inside out. I back it up with curlingreference.com

So I can relate to 3ball. Seems legit

I watched a commentator rave about Lebron doing an up-and-under against a 6'2" defender, and I thought "he should've sealed the shorter player and had a drop-step upon the catch... An up-and-under on a LITTLE GUY?".. (smh and laughing).. "This guy can't post."... These were my exact thoughts.

I quickly determined that Lebron's play wasn't impressive by comparing it to the goat standard, which dictates a drop-step in that spot.. Think of Jordan's game like a computer solver that spits out the right move to do in any given spot.. But it requires intricate knowledge of his game.

It helps to be a 6'7" post player myself, so I was taught the same thing in college D1 practices.. You don't waste time on the post against much shorter players... bball101

RRR3

01-08-2022, 03:34 PM

I watched a commentator rave about Lebron doing an up-and-under against a 6'2" defender, and I thought "he should've sealed the shorter player and had an open layup or drop-step upon the catch.. An up-and-under on a LITTLE GUY?".. (smh and laughing).. "This guy can't post."... These were my exact thoughts.

I quickly determined that Lebron's play wasn't impressive by comparing it to the goat standard, which dictates a drop-step in that spot.. Think of Jordan's game like a computer solver that spits out the right move to do in any given spot.. But it requires intricate knowledge of his game.

It helps to be a 6'7" post player myself, so I was taught the same thing in college D1 practices
You’re not 6’7 and you never played D1 stop lying.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 03:40 PM

You’re not 6’7 and you never played D1 stop lying.

6'7" and played D1 at 2 schools

Dunked on Zach 4 times in a row in 1-on-1 at Bill Green Arena, the upper courts.

RRR3

01-08-2022, 03:43 PM

6'7" and played D1 at 2 schools

Dunked on Zach 4 times in a row in 1-on-1 at Bill Green Arena, the upper courts.
The fact that you expect anyone to believe this is hilarious. Guessing you’re about 5’6 IRL

3ba11

01-08-2022, 03:45 PM

The fact that you expect anyone to believe this is hilarious. Guessing you’re about 5’6 IRL

I could prove it but why out myself and have you stalking me like you did my family members last year remember

RRR3

01-08-2022, 03:46 PM

I could prove it but why out myself and have you stalking me like you did my family members last year remember
More lies and you can’t prove it because you’re a liar and a fraud. Fraudball.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 03:53 PM

Thread title

In the same exact thread

You HAVE to be trolling, or you have some kind of autism which causes you to have zero awareness. Those are the only possible explanations.

Based on eye test and stats, Pippen was a bum from 88-90', 93', and 95-03'

He's the only guy that never reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size (Pippen is 0/6 in reaching Horry's 19.0 gamescore from the 95' Finals).. And the Bulls are the only team that won more than 2 Finals without a supporting player getting FMVP or 25 ppg - so Jordan won with minimal help in 3 times as many Finals as anyone else

SouBeachTalents

01-08-2022, 04:05 PM

Based on eye test and stats, Pippen was a bum from 88-90', 93', and 95-03'

He's the only guy that never reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample size (Pippen is 0/6 in reaching Horry's 19.0 gamescore from the 95' Finals).. And the Bulls are the only team that won more than 2 Finals without a supporting player getting FMVP or 25 ppg - so Jordan won with minimal help in 3 times as many Finals as anyone else
So you double down on being called out for your hypocrisy by bringing up MORE stats, this time gamescore :oldlol:

And if you want to go the gamescore route, the guy you claim is top 2 GOAT had FIVE Finals with a gamescore worse than '95 Horry. I'd bet good money no other superstar in history has that many.

StrongLurk

01-08-2022, 05:58 PM

OP will NEVER post anything truthful about his life because he's a massive loser and troll. Dude needs a therapist BADLY.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 06:06 PM

So you double down on being called out for your hypocrisy by bringing up MORE stats, this time gamescore :oldlol:

And if you want to go the gamescore route, the guy you claim is top 2 GOAT had FIVE Finals with a gamescore worse than '95 Horry. I'd bet good money no other superstar in history has that many.

At least we know Kobe, Kyrie and others were better than peak Horry because they actually exceeded his gamescore at some point.. Otoh, Pippen never did over a massive sample, so we know he was below peak Horry.. ONLY pippen was below peak horry by virtue of never reaching that level

SouBeachTalents

01-08-2022, 06:12 PM

At least we know Kobe, Kyrie and others were better than peak Horry because they actually exceeded his gamescore at some point.. Otoh, Pippen never did over a massive sample, so we know he was below peak Horry.. ONLY pippen was below peak horry by virtue of never reaching that level
Not only was Kobe below peak Horry 5 times in the Finals, just looking up the series he lost he was also worse in '03, '06, '11. If I were to go through all the series in his prime I bet he has one every season. if not more. So you kind of hamstring yourself claiming gamescore is so vital, when the guy you claim is the 2nd GOAT was worse than peak Horry on a nearly annual basis.

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 06:19 PM

At least we know Kobe, Kyrie and others were better than peak Horry because they actually exceeded his gamescore at some point..

Horry 95 Finals: 19 GmSc
Jordan 96 Finals: 18.5 GmSc

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/157/777/1256519926211.jpg

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 06:28 PM

92 Drexler finals: 18.4
96 Kemp finals: 18.9
96 Payton finals: 14.4
97 Malone finals: 16.8
98 Malone finals: 18.5
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95 Horry finals: 19.0

Dear 3nutball,

Kindly cease and desist talking about Michael Jordan as you are ruining his legacy with dumb ass arguments.

Universally signed,

Actual Michael Jordan fans

3ba11

01-08-2022, 06:43 PM

SouBeachTalents

01-08-2022, 06:44 PM

"over a meaningful sample"

clearly stated

only pippen never reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample
Kobe didn't reach Horry level in over 15-20 series

red1

01-08-2022, 06:46 PM

OP you're the biggest nerd on here

you're obsessed with lebron. ****ing loser. :oldlol:

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 06:46 PM

"over a meaningful sample"

clearly stated

only pippen never reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample

So Robert Horry having a higher GmSc than the opposing best player(s) in 4 of 6 Jordan finals isn't a meaningful sample?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FluffySparklingGuillemot-max-1mb.gif

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 06:47 PM

Kobe didn't reach Horry level in over 15-20 series

3nutball:

https://c.tenor.com/frjuQ-_r-eAAAAAC/vince-mcmahon-power-walk.gif

3ba11

01-08-2022, 06:50 PM

Kobe didn't reach Horry level in over 15-20 series

Kobe reached Horry-level in 2 Finals, thus confirming that he was better than Horry

Pippen never reached Horry-level in 6 Finals, so he's inferior to peak Horry by virtue of never reaching that level

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 06:53 PM

Kobe reached Horry-level in 2 Finals, thus confirming that he was better than Horry

Pippen never reached Horry-level in 6 Finals, so he's inferior to peak Horry by virtue of never reaching that level

Karl Malone in 2 finals never reached 95 Finals Horry level, thus confirming........?

3ba11

01-08-2022, 06:56 PM

Karl Malone in 2 finals never reached 95 Finals Horry level, thus confirming........?

"over a meaningful sample"

stated clear as day

ONLY pippen never reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample, so he's the only one that's below Horry for certain

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 07:02 PM

"over a meaningful sample"

stated clear as day

ONLY pippen never reached Horry-level over a meaningful sample, so he's the only one that's below Horry for certain

So Robert Horry having a higher GmSc than the opposing best player(s) in 4 of 6 Jordan finals isn't a meaningful sample?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FluffySparklingGuillemot-max-1mb.gif

Stated clear as day and ignored. Here's some more fascinating stats:

94 finals Patrick Ewing 12.1 GmSc.

91 finals Magic: 20.0.

Sooo... Robert Horry had a higher GmSc than 5 of MJ's top finals opponents, a higher GmSc than the leader of the Bulls chief eastern rival between 92 and 94, and came within a hair of the 91 MVP runner-up.

'Meaningful sample'

https://c.tenor.com/ZiLugTiVQNgAAAAM/the-more-you-know.gif

Next.

3ba11

01-08-2022, 07:04 PM

So Robert Horry having a higher GmSc than the opposing best player(s) in 4 of 6 Jordan finals isn't a meaningful sample?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FluffySparklingGuillemot-max-1mb.gif

Stated clear as day and ignored. Here's some more fascinating stats:

94 finals Patrick Ewing 12.1 GmSc.

91 finals Magic: 20.0.

Sooo... Robert Horry had a higher GmSc than 5 of MJ's top finals opponents, a higher GmSc than the leader of the Bulls chief eastern rival between 92 and 94, and came within a hair of the 91 MVP runner-up.

'Meaningful sample'

https://c.tenor.com/ZiLugTiVQNgAAAAM/the-more-you-know.gif

Next.

4 of 6 < 6 of 6

So MJ had a disadvantage at sidekick vs opponents because they had closer to Horry-level (2/6) than Pippen (0/6)

the opponent actually had a couple sidekicks that reached Horry-level, while Pippen never did... :confusedshrug:

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 07:12 PM

4 of 6 < 6 of 6

So MJ had a disadvantage at sidekick vs opponents because they had closer to Horry-level

the opponent actually had a couple sidekicks that reached Horry-level, while Pippen never did...

(2/6) than Pippen (0/6)

OTOH, the Bulls had an advantage of facing star opponents with a lower GmSc than a glorified role player in 4 of 6 finals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzHBfI1c4o

3ba11

01-08-2022, 07:21 PM

OTOH, the Bulls had an advantage of facing star opponents with a lower GmSc than a glorified role player in 4 of 6 finals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANzHBfI1c4o

Yes but Jordan's own sidekick never reached Horry-level

Your argument made mine .. :yaohappy:

I'm literally going to use your argument going forward (my argument)

Phoenix

01-08-2022, 07:42 PM

Yes but Jordan's own sidekick never reached Horry-level

Your argument made mine .. :yaohappy:

I'm literally going to use your argument going forward (my argument)

It makes your argument? Quite the opposite. If most of the best players MJ faced in the finals never reached Horry level on account of GmSc, then on the basis of that metric you're advocating that Bulls should have had the two best players in every series. Need that boiled down a bit more?

You're advocating that both MJ and Scottie have higher GmScs than Drexler in 92( FYI, Drexler had 18.7 to Scottie 18.6). You're advocating that both MJ and Scottie have higher GmScs than Kemp and Payton in 96. And you're advocating that both MJ and Scottie have a higher GmSc than Karl Malone in 97 and 98. Exactly why would that be advantageous to MJs legacy if his own sidekick was better than the best player on the other team using GmSc as the metric, in cases like Malone where he was literally the MVP?

Would you like to know what argument you made? MJs era is weak because he faced finals teams led by stars with lower levels than a role player based on GmSc. Congrats on making the anti-MJs argument for them I guess?

AlternativeAcc.

01-08-2022, 11:25 PM

Axe

01-08-2022, 11:30 PM

Jordan is the worst GM/talent evaluator in the history of mankind

That puts a damper on your trolling effort, you're saying you have to play to know, and that because you lied about being a collegiate athlete that this grand point now gives you a level of validity on this forum.

Lmfao
Hey, the welfarefan was hot again in another thread. I was wondering maybe you could deliver another knockout punch to him for this fresh year? Rofl.

You are a fat alcoholic beaner who abuses adderall and jacks off until he gets “big forarms as a result”

https://i.postimg.cc/NFDZcTtT/B238-B289-35-DE-4919-BD81-8-BD1-A1-FB59-C7.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Wp0rc7JS/F3-FD8-B45-C3-C3-4-C8-F-8783-E0-C8-A96-CCD79.jpg

:roll: Got em squirming