So the correct term for LeBron Ball is Heliocentric basketball

[JohnMax]

Heliocentric Offenses in the NBA (https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/comments/ijlzis/heliocentric_offenses_in_the_nba/)

Heliocentrism is the astronomical model in which planets revolve around the Sun at the center of the Solar System. We can translate this model into an NBA offense, essentially building around one star level player and surrounding him with complementary players. The star is surrounded by planets to maximize his talents and hide his flaws.

This type of offense has become common now, teams tend to build a system around one player as opposed to fitting the player into a system. Examples of this type of offense this season are the Bucks, the Mavericks and the Rockets. This system’s philosophy is simple, let your star player cook by running a spread pick and roll or isos and by drive and kicks. Look at the Bucks for example, they let Giannis be the primary handler and all the other players stand on the perimeter waiting for him to kick it out. If the defence helps Giannis can kick it for an easy 3, if they don’t Giannis has an iso possession. Another example is the Mavs this season, they have made Luka the pg, given him all the freedom and let him run a spread pick and roll with elite spot up shooters and rim rollers. This allows the Mavs to maximize Luka’s playmaking, scoring and space the floor to make the most of every possession. This has led to them having the highest offensive rating of all time.

2019/20 MAVERICKS: It’s clear to see that most players on the roster have 3 pointers as their primary source of scoring. They rely on Luka to create for them and then they shoot, shown in their % of Fg assisted. Almost every player is taking catch and shoot 3s. Everyone shoots assisted 3s except Luka. Luka's usage rate is also extremely high. There is no real shot creator on this team except Luka.

This system has also been successful in NBA history. Look no further than Steve Nash’s Suns. Nash ran a pick and roll with some of the best rollers in the league and had complementary 3 point shooters. Their offense had Nash exclusively run pnr action with players taking layups or 3 pointers. The Suns did this to utilize Nash’s great playmaking ability, his shooting ability and only taking the most efficient shots in the game. This was extremely successful as they had a top 2 offensive rating in the league for 6 straight years (2004-10).

This system is built to maximize their star’s game. Opposing defenses have a lot of problems guarding the star player and now they have to worry about the kick outs, the rim rollers, the cutters, etc. Comparing two teams, the 96 Bulls and 2020 Rockets. Jordan and Harden have a similar offensive impact and both possess similar gravity in different ways. They’re obviously their team’s star but they both are used in unique ways. MJ was put into a system (Triangle Offense) and Harden was the system (ISO Ball with Drive and Kicks). The 2 offenses are great both having top 6 offenses in the league. One was able to maximize Harden’s playmaking and scoring (evident in stats) and when was able to maximize Jordan’s offensive versatility (off ball scoring).

What used to be seen as “ball hogging” is now an efficient mode of offense.

Obviously we’ve seen this type of offense be extremely successful in the regular season. The question is how much does it work in the playoffs.

To answer this question, we need to see which teams have these types of offenses. The difference between a heliocentric offense and a balanced offense can be seen in their star player’s usage rate. For example an offense is run by Westbrook is a heliocentric offense as it’s built around him (2017). But the warriors motion offense is not. Even though it’s built around Steph’s gravity, it doesn’t have him having the ball for most of the possessions and there are multiple ball handlers on those teams (2017).

Out of the top 50 highest usage rate seasons, only Michael Jordan won a championship (2). The top 3 highest usage rate seasons belong to Russel Westbrook (2016-17), James Harden (2018-19) and Kobe Bryant (2005-06). All these players had insane stats but no real team success. Whether they were forced to have the ball so much or they did it to increase their offensive efficiency, this system didn’t really work. MJ in the 1992-93 season had the highest usage rate for an NBA champion.

Very rarely do we see a guy carrying so much offensive load while teammates are waiting for him, win a championship. A team’s offense simply stagnates with one primary ball handler and if he is neutralized it’s really hard for his teammates. A recent example is the Raptors vs the Bucks. The Raptors built a wall to stop Giannis, by not letting him drive, he was forced to create bad shots for his teammates, or he was forced into taking jumpshots. This also happened with young Lebron who was super ball dominant. He was effectively made into a jump shooter cuz he had a wall in front of him. Both his scoring and playmaking were neutralized.

Teams having a heliocentric offense really struggle vs great defences. When one player isn’t able to perform well, his teammates suffer too. A classic example of this is Wilt Chamberlain vs Bill Russel. Wilt had a heliocentric offense built for him whilst Bill Russel was in a balanced offense. Wilt was the guy the offense ran through, he got his shots, his points and absurd stats. But he usually under performed in the playoffs due to him being neutralized and his teammates not being used in the system. This led to his team often losing. Compare this to Bill Russel who had nowhere near the stats Wilt had, but he won 11 rings. He bought into a balanced offense with multiple players who were allowed to create.

Heliocentric offenses are great analytically, they produce amazing stats but they only lead to limited team success. For example MJ in 1988 and 98. His stats in 88 were so much better due to him having the ball more. Doug Collins, coach of the bulls, had one game plan:- Give the ball to Michael. This led to MJ having absurd stats but no team success. Compare this Phil Jackson’s offense which had MJ play off the ball. His stats decreased but he won championships.

This type of offense in the playoffs is way too predictable, think about the Rockets where Harden has an iso vs a great defender on every possession. It’s easier to stop that since you know he’s going to drive and kick or step back. This type of offense has no dynamic nature to it.

A recent example of this is the Bucks vs Raptors. The Bucks lost due to them having a heliocentric offense run through Giannis, whilst the Raptors had 6 12+ ppg scorers and multiple shot creators. A balanced offense was able to win, whereas a heliocentric offense was neutralized. Let’s say Giannis had a dynamic shot creator like Kobe Bryant, the offense would become less predictable and the load on Giannis would reduce significantly. Now the defence would have to worry about an interior force and a perimeter shot creator.

In the last 40 years, the only real heliocentric teams that have won are the 94 Rockets (Hakeem and shooters), 2003 Spurs (Tim Duncan Post ups), 2011 Mavs (Dirk and 3andD Players), 2016 Cavs (Lebron and Unlimited Spacing).

I think this shows why heliocentric offenses in the NBA and teams built around 1 star are only good in the regular season, lead to extreme floor raising situations, win the player MVPs, but don’t actually result in championships. On the other hand a balanced offense has a much higher chance of producing results even though the players would take a statistical drop off.

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Lebron has 4 championship rings

[MrFonzworth]

Lebron has 4 championship rings

Meltdown

[3ba11]

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Lebron had 35 on 70% last night but still loses more than less stacked teams because he takes too long to get elite stats - his production per hold-time is low compared to other wings or frontcourt players:



Hold-Time ("time of possession")


Lebron..... 6.2 minutes

Giannis.... 4.6 minutes

Durant...... 4.2 minutes

Jokic........ 4.1 minutes

Booker...... 3.6 minutes


The gap between Lebron and other wings is the time those teams can employ superior strategy (move the ball).

Ball movement wears down defenses more than ball-dominance, so worn-out opponents have less capacity to go off offensively (win the battle of attrition)..

The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.

Otoh, defenses get tons of rest against ball-dominance, so they routinely go off offensively on ball-dominators like 90 or 91' Magic without Kareem (blown away by KJ & MJ), or Lebron many years (09', 11', 14', 17', 18', 21').

However, perhaps the most disappointing aspect of Lebron's career is that he never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he couldn't learn how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

It's funny because Lebron actually did elevate Monk the other day by standing in the corner for Monk, thereby elevating Monk's role to playmaker while being an assist target/bailout option and providing spacing for Monk... Lebron was the bailout option (elevating teammates), rather than using his teammates as the bailout option (ball-dominance)

[iamgine]

Heliocentric Offenses in the NBA (https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/comments/ijlzis/heliocentric_offenses_in_the_nba/)

Heliocentrism is the astronomical model in which planets revolve around the Sun at the center of the Solar System. We can translate this model into an NBA offense, essentially building around one star level player and surrounding him with complementary players. The star is surrounded by planets to maximize his talents and hide his flaws.

This type of offense has become common now, teams tend to build a system around one player as opposed to fitting the player into a system. Examples of this type of offense this season are the Bucks, the Mavericks and the Rockets. This system’s philosophy is simple, let your star player cook by running a spread pick and roll or isos and by drive and kicks. Look at the Bucks for example, they let Giannis be the primary handler and all the other players stand on the perimeter waiting for him to kick it out. If the defence helps Giannis can kick it for an easy 3, if they don’t Giannis has an iso possession. Another example is the Mavs this season, they have made Luka the pg, given him all the freedom and let him run a spread pick and roll with elite spot up shooters and rim rollers. This allows the Mavs to maximize Luka’s playmaking, scoring and space the floor to make the most of every possession. This has led to them having the highest offensive rating of all time.

This system has also been successful in NBA history. Look no further than Steve Nash’s Suns. Nash ran a pick and roll with some of the best rollers in the league and had complementary 3 point shooters. Their offense had Nash exclusively run pnr action with players taking layups or 3 pointers. The Suns did this to utilize Nash’s great playmaking ability, his shooting ability and only taking the most efficient shots in the game. This was extremely successful as they had a top 2 offensive rating in the league for 6 straight years (2004-10).

This system is built to maximize their star’s game. Opposing defenses have a lot of problems guarding the star player and now they have to worry about the kick outs, the rim rollers, the cutters, etc. Comparing two teams, the 96 Bulls and 2020 Rockets. Jordan and Harden have a similar offensive impact and both possess similar gravity in different ways. They’re obviously their team’s star but they both are used in unique ways. MJ was put into a system (Triangle Offense) and Harden was the system (ISO Ball with Drive and Kicks). The 2 offenses are great both having top 6 offenses in the league. One was able to maximize Harden’s playmaking and scoring (evident in stats) and when was able to maximize Jordan’s offensive versatility (off ball scoring).

What used to be seen as “ball hogging” is now an efficient mode of offense.

Obviously we’ve seen this type of offense be extremely successful in the regular season. The question is how much does it work in the playoffs.

To answer this question, we need to see which teams have these types of offenses. The difference between a heliocentric offense and a balanced offense can be seen in their star player’s usage rate. For example an offense is run by Westbrook is a heliocentric offense as it’s built around him (2017). But the warriors motion offense is not. Even though it’s built around Steph’s gravity, it doesn’t have him having the ball for most of the possessions and there are multiple ball handlers on those teams (2017).

Out of the top 50 highest usage rate seasons, only Michael Jordan won a championship (2). The top 3 highest usage rate seasons belong to Russel Westbrook (2016-17), James Harden (2018-19) and Kobe Bryant (2005-06). All these players had insane stats but no real team success. Whether they were forced to have the ball so much or they did it to increase their offensive efficiency, this system didn’t really work. MJ in the 1992-93 season had the highest usage rate for an NBA champion.

Very rarely do we see a guy carrying so much offensive load while teammates are waiting for him, win a championship. A team’s offense simply stagnates with one primary ball handler and if he is neutralized it’s really hard for his teammates. A recent example is the Raptors vs the Bucks. The Raptors built a wall to stop Giannis, by not letting him drive, he was forced to create bad shots for his teammates, or he was forced into taking jumpshots. This also happened with young Lebron who was super ball dominant. He was effectively made into a jump shooter cuz he had a wall in front of him. Both his scoring and playmaking were neutralized.

Teams having a heliocentric offense really struggle vs great defences. When one player isn’t able to perform well, his teammates suffer too. A classic example of this is Wilt Chamberlain vs Bill Russel. Wilt had a heliocentric offense built for him whilst Bill Russel was in a balanced offense. Wilt was the guy the offense ran through, he got his shots, his points and absurd stats. But he usually under performed in the playoffs due to him being neutralized and his teammates not being used in the system. This led to his team often losing. Compare this to Bill Russel who had nowhere near the stats Wilt had, but he won 11 rings. He bought into a balanced offense with multiple players who were allowed to create.

Heliocentric offenses are great analytically, they produce amazing stats but they only lead to limited team success. For example MJ in 1988 and 98. His stats in 88 were so much better due to him having the ball more. Doug Collins, coach of the bulls, had one game plan:- Give the ball to Michael. This led to MJ having absurd stats but no team success. Compare this Phil Jackson’s offense which had MJ play off the ball. His stats decreased but he won championships.

This type of offense in the playoffs is way too predictable, think about the Rockets where Harden has an iso vs a great defender on every possession. It’s easier to stop that since you know he’s going to drive and kick or step back. This type of offense has no dynamic nature to it.

A recent example of this is the Bucks vs Raptors. The Bucks lost due to them having a heliocentric offense run through Giannis, whilst the Raptors had 6 12+ ppg scorers and multiple shot creators. A balanced offense was able to win, whereas a heliocentric offense was neutralized. Let’s say Giannis had a dynamic shot creator like Kobe Bryant, the offense would become less predictable and the load on Giannis would reduce significantly. Now the defence would have to worry about an interior force and a perimeter shot creator.

In the last 40 years, the only real heliocentric teams that have won are the 94 Rockets (Hakeem and shooters), 2003 Spurs (Tim Duncan Post ups), 2011 Mavs (Dirk and 3andD Players), 2016 Cavs (Lebron and Unlimited Spacing).

I think this shows why heliocentric offenses in the NBA and teams built around 1 star are only good in the regular season, lead to extreme floor raising situations, win the player MVPs, but don’t actually result in championships. On the other hand a balanced offense has a much higher chance of producing results even though the players would take a statistical drop off.

That is really dumb on so many levels and contradict itself so many times.

For example, it mention Giannis with Kobe but failed to mention Lebron with Kyrie in 2016.

It also just pick and choose examples that suits itself. How did the 'sharing the ball' Warriors do last season? How did the Pistons lost to 'heliocentric' Lebron in 2007? Who in their right mind think that mid 2000s Lakers would do much better if it allowed Smush Parker and Kwame Brown to create lots of shots? Perhaps Iverson should also let Mutombo and Theo Ratliff to explore their playmaking desires, who knows they could be Jokic?

[ShawkFactory]

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Lebron had 35 on 70% last night but still loses more than less stacked teams because he takes too long to get elite stats - his production per hold-time is low compared to other wings or frontcourt players:



Hold-Time ("time of possession")


Lebron..... 6.2 minutes

Giannis.... 4.6 minutes

Durant...... 4.2 minutes

Jokic........ 4.1 minutes

Booker...... 3.6 minutes


The gap between Lebron and other wings is the time those teams can employ superior strategy (move the ball).

Ball movement wears down defenses more than ball-dominance, so worn-out opponents have less capacity to go off offensively (win the battle of attrition)..

The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.

Otoh, defenses get tons of rest against ball-dominance, so they routinely go off offensively on ball-dominators like 90 or 91' Magic without Kareem (blown away by KJ & MJ), or Lebron many years (09', 11', 14', 17', 18', 21').

However, perhaps the most disappointing aspect of Lebron's career is that he never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he couldn't learn how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

It's funny because Lebron actually did elevate Monk the other day by standing in the corner for Monk, thereby elevating Monk's role to playmaker while being an assist target/bailout option and providing spacing for Monk... Lebron was the bailout option (elevating teammates), rather than using his teammates as the bailout option (ball-dominance)

Literally one person on that list is a wing :lol

[3ba11]

Literally one person on that list is a wing :lol



Huh?..

Booker, Giannis and Durant are wings, and Kawhi's hold-time is very low but he's hurt this year.. I could've used any season for Kawhi's hold-time..

The guys that win with less help need less hold-time to get elite stats - it's intuitive and historically-accurate, so you should get on board rather than misperceive everything.. :confusedshrug:

And I thought Lebron was a SF, PF and Center... But now you're saying he... isn't? or something?

[ShawkFactory]

Huh?..

Booker, Giannis and Durant are wings, and Kawhi's hold-time is very low but he's hurt this year.. I could've used any season for Kawhi's hold-time..

The guys that win with less need less hold-time to get elite stats - it's intuitive and historically-accurate, so you should get on board rather than misperceive everything.. :confusedshrug:

And I thought Lebron was a SF, PF and Center... But now you're saying he... isn't? or something?

How did you get this from me saying Lebron isn't a wing?

I feel like you aren't present for most of the conversations you're a part of.

[ELITEpower23]

"hold time" :oldlol:

So is 3ball still wondering why the greatest passer and scoring combo in league history holds the ball longer than Giannis? :oldlol:

Back to the drawing board twerp.

[3ba11]

How did you get this from me saying Lebron isn't a wing?

I feel like you aren't present for most of the conversations you're a part of.


You said Jokic wasn't a wing, but Lebron's ball-dominance is abnormally-high for centers and PF's too... :confusedshrug:

Again, the guys that win with less help need less hold-time to get elite stats - it's intuitive and historically-accurate, so you should get on board rather than misperceive everything

[ShawkFactory]

You said Jokic wasn't a wing, but Lebron's ball-dominance is abnormally-high for centers and PF's too... :confusedshrug:

Again, the guys that win with less help need less hold-time to get elite stats - it's intuitive and historically-accurate, so you should get on board rather than misperceive everything

Correct.

[HunterSThompson]

Lebron has 4 championship rings

barry bonds has 762 homeruns

[Full Court]

Lebron has 4 championship rings

So 67% of the number of rings Jordan has.

[3ba11]

Heliocentric Offenses in the NBA (https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/comments/ijlzis/heliocentric_offenses_in_the_nba/)

Heliocentrism is the astronomical model in which planets revolve around the Sun at the center of the Solar System. We can translate this model into an NBA offense, essentially building around one star level player and surrounding him with complementary players. The star is surrounded by planets to maximize his talents and hide his flaws.

This type of offense has become common now, teams tend to build a system around one player as opposed to fitting the player into a system..

Out of the top 50 highest usage rate seasons, only Michael Jordan won a championship (2). The top 3 highest usage rate seasons belong to Russel Westbrook (2016-17), James Harden (2018-19) and Kobe Bryant (2005-06). All these players had insane stats but no real team success. Whether they were forced to have the ball so much or they did it to increase their offensive efficiency, this system didn’t really work. MJ in the 1992-93 season had the highest usage rate for an NBA champion.

Very rarely do we see a guy carrying so much offensive load while teammates are waiting for him, win a championship. A team’s offense simply stagnates with one primary ball handler and if he is neutralized it’s really hard for his teammates. A recent example is the Raptors vs the Bucks. The Raptors built a wall to stop Giannis, by not letting him drive, he was forced to create bad shots for his teammates, or he was forced into taking jumpshots. This also happened with young Lebron who was super ball dominant. He was effectively made into a jump shooter cuz he had a wall in front of him. Both his scoring and playmaking were neutralized.

Teams having a heliocentric offense really struggle vs great defences. When one player isn’t able to perform well, his teammates suffer too. A classic example of this is Wilt Chamberlain vs Bill Russel. Wilt had a heliocentric offense built for him whilst Bill Russel was in a balanced offense. Wilt was the guy the offense ran through, he got his shots, his points and absurd stats. But he usually under performed in the playoffs due to him being neutralized and his teammates not being used in the system.

Heliocentric offenses are great analytically, they produce amazing stats but they only lead to limited team success. For example MJ in 1988 and 98. His stats in 88 were so much better due to him having the ball more. Doug Collins, coach of the bulls, had one game plan:- Give the ball to Michael. This led to MJ having absurd stats but no team success. Compare this Phil Jackson’s offense which had MJ play off the ball. Jordan's stats decreased but he won championships.

This type of offense in the playoffs is way too predictable, think about the Rockets where Harden has an iso vs a great defender on every possession. It’s easier to stop that since you know he’s going to drive and kick or step back. This type of offense has no dynamic nature to it.

A recent example of this is the Bucks vs Raptors. The Bucks lost due to them having a heliocentric offense run through Giannis, whilst the Raptors had 6 12+ ppg scorers and multiple shot creators. A balanced offense was able to win, whereas a heliocentric offense was neutralized. Let’s say Giannis had a dynamic shot creator like Kobe Bryant, the offense would become less predictable and the load on Giannis would reduce significantly. Now the defence would have to worry about an interior force and a perimeter shot creator.

In the last 40 years, the only real heliocentric teams that have won are the 94 Rockets (Hakeem and shooters), 2003 Spurs (Tim Duncan Post ups), 2011 Mavs (Dirk and 3andD Players), 2016 Cavs (Lebron and Unlimited Spacing).

I think this shows why heliocentric offenses in the NBA and teams built around 1 star are only good in the regular season, lead to extreme floor raising situations, win the player MVPs, but don’t actually result in championships. On the other hand a balanced offense has a much higher chance of producing results even though the players would take a statistical drop off.


The bolded above is false

Jordan averaged 34/7/7 in the 91-93' Playoffs and 36/7/8 in the 91-93' Finals (with goat usage on many of those runs), so he INCREASED his production to win the first 3 titles and won all 6 as scoring champ..

Unlike Iverson, Kobe or other wings, Jordan didn't have to tone down his scoring to win because his scoring was fundamentally-sound..

So there was no need to have MJ score less, just more strategically, which is what Phil did by having MJ score later in shot clocks. Previous coaches would have Paxson bring it up but then find MJ after crossing halfcourt so he could close the possession as soon as possible - this was predictable, so Phil started finding MJ later in shot clocks for knock out blows after wearing down the defense with ball movement first.. Simple, strategic use of Jordan's goat scoring capability resulted in unbeatable teams without a lot of star help

Also, most people don't realize that the heliocentric theory is saying that type of offense is BAD and INFERIOR to ball movement offenses, but most readers won't get that far

[BarberSchool]

Unlike Iverson, Kobe or other wings, Jordan didn't have to tone down his scoring to win because his scoring was fundamentally-sound..

So there was no need to have MJ score less, just more strategically, which is what Phil did by having MJ score later in shot clocks. Previous coaches would have Paxson bring it up but then find MJ after crossing halfcourt so he could close the possession as soon as possible - this was predictable, so Phil started finding MJ later in shot clocks for knock out blows after wearing down the defense with ball movement first.. Simple, strategic use of Jordan's goat scoring capability resulted in unbeatable teams without a lot of star help

This is the crux of the tempo of the second 3-peat.

Phil was running a marathon.

[Mask the Embiid]

The correct term is Oscar Ball (short for oscar robertson ball). Many players have duplicated it.

Harden
Luka
Westbrook
Jokic
Jordan (80s)

ect...ect...ect

LeBron is the best @ it though. He has maximized the oscar ball brand of basketball and is the only one to win a championship running it....Which proves he's better than everyone who has played oscar ball and failed @ winning a ring... If LeBron actually played in a system like he did in miami for 10 + years he would have double the rings

[TheGoatest]

Jordan's stats decreased but he won championships.

jordon's stats against the Magic in the 1995 2nd round:

31.0 ppg on .477
6.5 rpg
3.7 apg
2.5 spg
1.8 bpg
lost the series in 6

jordon's stats against the Sonics in the 1996 finals:

27.3 ppg on .415
5.3 rpg
4.2 apg
1.7 spg
0.2 bpg
won the series in 6

Still waiting for jordon extremist alts to explain the correlation between these two. Aside from the obvious, that is: That (in addition to The Great Scott Pippen), jordon also needed an elite all-defender Dennis Rodman/Horace Grant in order to win. Not to mention a coach that would go on to win 5 more rings without him.

[Baller789]

jordon's stats against the Magic in the 1995 2nd round:

31.0 ppg on .477
6.5 rpg
3.7 apg
2.5 spg
1.8 bpg
lost the series in 6

jordon's stats against the Sonics in the 1996 finals:

27.3 ppg on .415
5.3 rpg
4.2 apg
1.7 spg
0.2 bpg
won the series in 6

Still waiting for jordon extremist alts to explain the correlation between these two. Aside from the obvious, that is: That (in addition to The Great Scott Pippen), jordon also needed an elite all-defender Dennis Rodman/Horace Grant in order to win. Not to mention a coach that would go on to win 5 more rings without him.

Who is this great Scott Pippen you keep blabbering about theCorp?

[3ba11]

This is the crux of the tempo of the second 3-peat.

Phil was running a marathon.


MJ's ability to produce elite amounts on-ball, off-screens, post play and also quickly upon the catch (quick-iso) gave a coach total freedom to run any offense they want, including the rigid triangle that players hate.

Otoh, ball-dominant skillsets like Lebron, Luka or Harden seemingly have well-rounded stats but are infact limited to playing 1 way (ball-dominance) - these ball-dominant skillsets tie a coach's hands and forces them to employ a simpleton, low-team-assist brand where 1 guy hogs the team's assists.. It's a paper tiger that requires ridiculous supporting talent to win.

It isn't coincidence that the only other guys to win the title as scoring champ are peak 00' Shaq and 71' Kareem - that's how dominant or fundamentally-sound it takes for an offense to win with a scoring champ as the foundation.

[Phoenix]

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:lol

[3ba11]

:lol


I guess some people enjoy being defrauded and I shouldn't look down on them or try to stop them from it.. by spitting the enlightening facts

[Phoenix]

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[Airupthere]

Bran ball sounds fine by itself. Matches the personality of the lebron.

[ralph_i_el]

The Bucks won when they started doing this LESS and Giannis played more like a traditional big. Ball and player movement will always have the highest potential over "heliocentric" ball. It doesn't hold up in the playoffs. LeBron is just built different than all these other guys who succeed at this in the regular season and fall off in the playoffs. Even then, he got beat by superior team play in the Finals multiple times.

[ralph_i_el]

Luka isn't going to win a ring playing like this. Depending on one guy too much is very susceptible to playoff physicality and gameplanning.