Remember when using Kobe to argue over LBJ was a thing +10 years ago? But now...

[ELITEpower23]

But now...

All they have left...

Is Jordan :oldlol:

And even that's not working out too well :roll:

Carry on

[Johnny32]

lol yup. it's pretty embarrassing how jordan and kobe fans have united in a desperate attempt to tear down the real goat.

[ELITEpower23]

lol yup. it's pretty embarrassing how jordan and kobe fans have united in a desperate attempt to tear down the real goat.

We broke through the Kobe wall in 2012

4x MVP
1x FMVP

Broke thru the Magic/Bird wall in 2015

Broke thru the Kareem/Wilt wall in 2016


*MJ sweating intensifies*

Broke thru the MJ wall in 2018

Firmly planted the #1 flag on Mount GOAT in 2020

+2022 is just icing on the cake

[k 96]

We broke through the Kobe wall in 2012

4x MVP
1x FMVP

Broke thru the Magic/Bird wall in 2015

Broke thru the Kareem/Wilt wall in 2016


*MJ sweating intensifies*

Broke thru the MJ wall in 2018

Firmly planted the #1 flag on Mount GOAT in 2020

+2022 is just icing on the cake

4 of 10

[ELITEpower23]

4 of 10

7,631 forever

:pimp:

[HunterSThompson]

But now...

All they have left...

Is Jordan :oldlol:

And even that's not working out too well :roll:

Carry on

either lebrons on steroids or hes playing in an era where a 37 year old can average prime jordan numbers


either way its not good


every nba player including lebrons teammates still pick kobe over him mostly because of how soft lebrons era was and how he colluded/ring chased with super teams.


as far as the goat its like picking roman reigns over stone cold or hulk hogan. this era just doesn't compare. nobody says "hes the lebron of his sport/generation" its always "hes the michael jordan of so and so"

and kobes always lumped in with MJ like "hes no kobe/MJ"

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CorruptAcidicBonobo-size_restricted.gif



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HI_xFQWiYU

[kawhileonard2]

He is

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?319005-Dominique-Wilkins-Kobe-Bryant-in-his-prime-better-all-around-player-than-Lebron

[Hey Yo]

Griff was doing it 15yrs ago, but would get ruined by Vern most of the time.

[Spurs m8]

Poor little wheels is a little lonely today

Get some friends, bruh

[ImKobe]

Kobe's still better than Lebron all-time so nothing's changed in 10 years, even with all the colluding and playing in the weakest Conference in NBA history.

[HunterSThompson]

Griff was doing it 15yrs ago, but would get ruined by Vern most of the time.

i wonder if hes still alive. anyone wanna call or email him to find out

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[1987_Lakers]

Obama knows...

https://streamable.com/m5r66

"Made him look like Kobe"

[TheGoatest]

Obama knows...

https://streamable.com/m5r66

"Made him look like Kobe"

Damn, ethered with a presidential seal. :oldlol:

[HunterSThompson]

Obama knows...

https://streamable.com/m5r66

"Made him look like Kobe"

every perimeter shooter in the finals shot lower percentages from like 96 to 2010

thats why the era was so special. people actually played defense


jordan shot 41% in the 96 finals

jordan shot 45% in the 97 finals

jordan shot 42% in the 98 finals

Pippen shot 36% in the 96 finals

Harper shot 37% in the 96 finals

Kerr shot 30% in the 96 finals

Harper shot 34% in the 97 finals

kerr shot 36% in the 97 finals

Pippen shot 42% in the 97 finals

Hornacek shot 38% in the 97 finals

Russell shot 39% in the 97 finals

Hornacek shot 41% in the 98 finals

Russell shot 40% in the 98 finals

Pippen shot 41% in the 98 finals

Kerr shot 35% in the 98 finals

Harper shot 36% in the 98 finals

Elliott shot 33% in the 99 finals

Jackson shot 32% in the 99 finals

Kerr shot 40% in the 99 finals

Sprewell shot 41% in the 99 finals

Houston shot 42% in the 99 finals

Larry Johnson shot 28% in the 99 finals



and you remember these right

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs

M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's

iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs

snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs

mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's

bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's

kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's

Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's

prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's

pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's

Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's

Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's

lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's

reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's

nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's

pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's

ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's

tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's




not everyone can play in lebrons era where everyone faces ZERO defense or physicality on the perimeter


Parker - 53% ( finals MVP )

Terry - 50%

Marion - 48%

Durant - 55%

Kawhi - 51% 2013

Diaw - 50%

Kawhi - 61% 2014 ( finals MVP )

Manu - 50%

Iguodala - 52% ( finals MVP )

Green - 49% ( should be finals MVP. thanks silver ) 2016

Durant - 56% ( finals MVP ) 2017

Iguodala - 53%

Durant - 53% ( finals MVP ) 2018

Green - 52% 2018

Iguodala - 58% 2018

Butler - 55%

[TheCorporation]

Obama knows...

https://streamable.com/m5r66

"Made him look like Kobe"

El Presidente sealed it with a kiss :lol

[HunterSThompson]

El Presidente sealed it with a kiss :lol

but who made him look like kobe in 97 and 98

big bad bryan russell?

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Bryon-Russell.jpg

[TheCorporation]

but who made him look like kobe in 97 and 98

big bad bryan russell?

https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Bryon-Russell.jpg

MJ being on par with Kobe isn't a good thing...

Inefficient, offense-killing, ballhogging chucking is bad.

[Johnny32]

billups shot 51% vs that kobe efense in 04 finals.

[Johnny32]

ray allen shot 52% vs that kobe efense in 08 finals.

[Johnny32]

every perimeter shooter in the finals shot lower percentages from like 96 to 2010 unless kobe was defending them

lefax.

[expansionera]

lol yup. it's pretty embarrassing how jordan and kobe fans have united in a desperate attempt to tear down the real goat.

Lol I’ll listen to an argument for Jordan, however poorly structured and nostalgic, Kobe fans like 3Ball are pathetic though because they tried to hide behind 23’s legacy.

[expansionera]

Here come the All-Defensive selections. Bryant can’t match Jordan in stats, rings or awards. So a good way to make him more like “the next Michael Jordan” would be awarding him the All-Defensive selection.

He hasn’t always been the best defensive player of his own team, yet he’s always the one making the All-Defensive Team.

For instance, since Ron Artest joined the Lakers, he’s being the best defensive player of that team, yet he was left out of the All-Defensive Team, while Bryant made the team. This is a disgrace. This is how overrated Bryant is.

This season was one of the worst in Bryant’s career. Everything was on the decline, including his defense. He was older and slower, playing fewer minutes than last season. Scorers would score over him easily.

Statistically, I don’t know where to begin. He averaged 1.2 steals per game, his worst since his second season back in 1998. He didn’t even lead his own team in steals and was tied with Derek Fisher for second on the team. Come again. Tied with Fisher? No comments there.

In blocks, he was even worse with an average of 0.1 blocks per game, which is 12 blocks in 82 games played. What? Twelve blocked shots in 82 games played? Is that stat even real? Yes, it is.

Bryant wasn’t even the second best of the Lakers in terms of Defensive Win Shares, yet he’s the one that made the All-Defensive Team (not the first time this happens).

As you can see, Bryant’s defense is so overrated. It’s an embarrassment that he has so many selections to the All-Defensive Team, especially the First Team.

Take Phil Jackson’s words:

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

Jackson said this in his book “The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul.”

[HunterSThompson]

billups shot 51% vs that kobe efense in 04 finals.

one guy in 15 years shot well in the finals on the perimeter. congrats. I guess Billups is a top 20 player ever.

[HunterSThompson]

ray allen shot 52% vs that kobe efense in 08 finals.

uh oh. 2 out of 100 guys

[Johnny32]

kobe vs the nets.

hurrr, only 3 players, durrr.

[Johnny32]

parker in 2007.

hurrr, only 4 players, durrr.

[HunterSThompson]

parker in 2007.

hurrr, only 4 players, durrr.

Parker wasn't really an outside shooter.. he mostly drove for layups and shot from the free throw line

the Nets series was a sweep and had tons of garbage time

ray allen had a good series but the guy was running off screens all day and Derek fisher was getting shoved by garnett and other screeners. for those instances the offensive player was the bully causing changes in percentages



and I still listed 10 times as many as you.. and I haven't even checked other laker players yet or other years rhe Lakers didn't play in the finals in the 2000s

[Johnny32]

Parker wasn't really an outside shooter.. he mostly drove for layups and shot from the free throw line

the Nets series was a sweep and had tons of garbage time

ray allen had one good series but the guy was running off screens all day and Derek fisher was getting shoved by garnett and other screeners. for those instances the offensive player was the bully causing changes in percentages



and I still listed 10 times as many as you.. and I haven't even checked other laker players yet or other years rhe Lakers didn't play in the finals in the 2000s

i only listed star players lol.

[Johnny32]

2009

fisher 50%
walton 80%

[HunterSThompson]

2009

fisher 50%
walton 80%

magic series wasn't competitive. I notice a lot of your examples come in mostly garbage time get it over with series like the 2002 finals, 2004 finals, 2007 finals, 2009 finals etc..


and you're still about 30 shy of mine

[Johnny32]

magic series wasn't competitive. I notice a lot of your examples come in mostly garbage time get it over with series like the 2002 finals, 2004 finals, 2007 finals, 2009 finals etc..


and you're still about 30 shy of mine

2008

posey 50%
ariza 56%

[Johnny32]

2003

claxton 56%

[Johnny32]

2002

fisher 52%
fox 53%
jefferson 52%

[Johnny32]

2001

horry 56%
lue 58%
harper 63%

[expansionera]

2008

posey 50%
ariza 56%

Did Kobe ever stop anyone on the defensive end? The only recollection of a guy getting completely shut down in a Lakers Finals series I have would be Kobe himself in ‘04 (and Game 7 2010 Finals but stans told me not to talk about that)

[HunterSThompson]

Did Kobe ever stop anyone on the defensive end? The only recollection of a guy getting completely shut down in a Lakers Finals series I have would be Kobe himself in ‘04 (and Game 7 2010 Finals but stans told me not to talk about that)

you wanted kobe to stop Ariza?

and

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs

M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's

iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs

snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs

mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's

bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's

kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's

Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's

prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's

pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's

Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's

Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's

lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's

reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's

nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's

pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's

ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's

tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

[Johnny32]

2000

horry 51%
fox 60%
croshere 55%

[Johnny32]

1999

avery johnson 50%

[Johnny32]

kukoc 50%
buechler 60%
shandon anderson 50%

[HunterSThompson]

I listed mostly rotation guys and half the dudes this guys listing are off the end of the bench those years

now you're just reaching "johnny"


I dont even remember your name from anger general. was it Vegas fraud.

I thought you had cancer

[Johnny32]

1997

buechler 50%
stockton 50%
howard eisley 50%

[Johnny32]

I listed mostly rotation guys and half the dudes this guys listing are off the end of the bench those years

now you're just reaching "johnny"


I dont even remember your name from anger general. was it Vegas fraud.

I thought you had cancer

everyone i listed was a rotation player. you're getting more desperate by the post and i can't blame you.

[Airupthere]

So we are comparing the fg% of players which draw the most defensive attention vs those that dont?

[Johnny32]

1996

randy brown 50%
david wingate 50%

[Johnny32]

it's safe to say you're full of shit.

[Johnny32]

So we are comparing the fg% of players which draw the most defensive attention vs those that dont?

read his post on the first page or go away tard.

[kawhileonard2]

every perimeter shooter in the finals shot lower percentages from like 96 to 2010

thats why the era was so special. people actually played defense


jordan shot 41% in the 96 finals

jordan shot 45% in the 97 finals

jordan shot 42% in the 98 finals

Pippen shot 36% in the 96 finals

Harper shot 37% in the 96 finals

Kerr shot 30% in the 96 finals

Harper shot 34% in the 97 finals

kerr shot 36% in the 97 finals

Pippen shot 42% in the 97 finals

Hornacek shot 38% in the 97 finals

Russell shot 39% in the 97 finals

Hornacek shot 41% in the 98 finals

Russell shot 40% in the 98 finals

Pippen shot 41% in the 98 finals

Kerr shot 35% in the 98 finals

Harper shot 36% in the 98 finals

Elliott shot 33% in the 99 finals

Jackson shot 32% in the 99 finals

Kerr shot 40% in the 99 finals

Sprewell shot 41% in the 99 finals

Houston shot 42% in the 99 finals

Larry Johnson shot 28% in the 99 finals



and you remember these right

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs

M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's

iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs

snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs

mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's

bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's

kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's

Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's

prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's

pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's

Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's

Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's

lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's

reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's

nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's

pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's

ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's

tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's




not everyone can play in lebrons era where everyone faces ZERO defense or physicality on the perimeter


Parker - 53% ( finals MVP )

Terry - 50%

Marion - 48%

Durant - 55%

Kawhi - 51% 2013

Diaw - 50%

Kawhi - 61% 2014 ( finals MVP )

Manu - 50%

Iguodala - 52% ( finals MVP )

Green - 49% ( should be finals MVP. thanks silver ) 2016

Durant - 56% ( finals MVP ) 2017

Iguodala - 53%

Durant - 53% ( finals MVP ) 2018

Green - 52% 2018

Iguodala - 58% 2018

Butler - 55%

Lebron shot 35% Vs San Antonio as well

[HunterSThompson]

it's safe to say you're full of shit.

80% of your guys averaged like 1 or 2 points. the guys I mostly listed averaged 15 to 20 points


you're full of shit and a confirmed meth addict that got driven off anger general for your behavior


https://i.ibb.co/sQMCVnB/Screenshot-20220112-105534-Gallery.jpg

[expansionera]

If Kobe played in the toughest era why was the unanimous MVP completely shut down in a Finals series alongside his 73 win team that was stacked with at least three other Hall of Famers?

It’s a lot easier to defend against Reggie Miller or Chauncey Billups as the principle offensive player. Kobe played in an era wherein you could have one 5’8 regular guy chuck literally dozens of shots on sub 45%FG with ZERO help and still make the Finals

[Johnny32]

80% of your guys averaged like 1 or 2 points. the guys I mostly listed averaged 15 to 20 points


you're full of shit and a confirmed meth addict that got driven off anger general for your behavior


https://i.ibb.co/4j00PFg/Screenshot-20220112-105143-Free-*********-Browser.jpg

you listed iggy in 17/18. tony allen in 10. lol @ the desperate clown getting his shit pushed in...deep and hard.

[TheCorporation]

Classic Ottowa Kenny with another meltdown everytime he's reminded that Kobe aint top 10 :lol

[HunterSThompson]

you listed iggy in 17/18. tony allen in 10. lol @ the desperate clown getting his shit pushed in...deep and hard.

if you took off the low scorers from both our lists I would have 20 guys and you would have 2

[expansionera]

if you took off the low scorers from both our lists I would have 20 guys and you would have 2

Steve Kerr, Rafer Alston, injured Jameer Nelson. To a person who has never watched these series and doesn’t appreciate the context your list would appear to have merit, but a short glance from someone with a high basketball IQ (such as Johnny32 or the Corporation) with decades of experience analyzing the game and it all falls apart :cry:

[Johnny32]

if you took off the low scorers from both our lists I would have 20 guys and you would have 2

kobe vs nets, allen vs kobe's d, billups vs kobe's d. wrong again.

[HunterSThompson]

Classic Ottowa Kenny with another meltdown everytime
he's reminded that Kobe aint top 10 :lol

classic midget jew failed lawyer Steve chiming in when he knows he can't handle any kind of reply I have for him cause he disappears or runs to Jeff to get my post deleted.

Remer when you got so angry at my vocaroo that you threatened to contact my service provider.

oh yeah and sorry my lips aren't voluptuous enough for you.

btw how's that bitcoin working out for yeah. still upset about the 20 grand dip?

[Johnny32]

Steve Kerr, Rafer Alston, injured Jameer Nelson. To a person who has never watched these series and doesn’t appreciate the context your list would appear to have merit, but a short glance from someone with a high basketball IQ (such as Johnny32 or the Corporation) with decades of experience analyzing the game and it all falls apart :cry:

tony allen avg 3 ppg in 2010. he's on the tard's list lol.

[HunterSThompson]

kobe vs nets, allen vs kobe's d, billups vs kobe's d. wrong again.

I have infinitely more big scorers. you lose meth head

[HunterSThompson]

Steve Kerr, Rafer Alston, injured Jameer Nelson. To a person who has never watched these series and doesn’t appreciate the context your list would appear to have merit, but a short glance from someone with a high basketball IQ (such as Johnny32 or the Corporation) with decades of experience analyzing the game and it all falls apart :cry:

Steve.. don't call yourself high IQ. it's bad form. you know I can see your IP right

[Johnny32]

I have infinitely more big scorers. you lose meth head

hurrr, big scorers who didn't shoot 50% or higher in a finals from 2011 to present.

dirk, lebron, wade, westbrook, harden, parker, manu, curry, klay, kyrie, kawhi.

you're an idiot.

the end.

[eliteballer]

LeRoids career will be invalidated soon enough.

[k 96]

7,631 forever

:pimp:
Kobe " the G.O.A.T. Bryant =5 of 7
LeESPN Hype James = A PATHETIC 4 of 10
With 3 of those rigged Championships in a Lock out and Pandemic shortened season.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron is closer to Kareem than he is to MJ.

MJ is still on top.

[TheCorporation]

Lebron is closer to Kareem than he is to MJ.

MJ is still on top.

False

[TheCorporation]

We broke through the Kobe wall in 2012

4x MVP
1x FMVP

Broke thru the Magic/Bird wall in 2015

Broke thru the Kareem/Wilt wall in 2016


*MJ sweating intensifies*

Broke thru the MJ wall in 2018

Firmly planted the #1 flag on Mount GOAT in 2020

+2022 is just icing on the cake

Anyone?

[Axe]

80% of your guys averaged like 1 or 2 points. the guys I mostly listed averaged 15 to 20 points


you're full of shit and a confirmed meth addict that got driven off anger general for your behavior


https://i.ibb.co/sQMCVnB/Screenshot-20220112-105534-Gallery.jpg
Yikes.

[Full Court]

Kobe was overrated. He was supposed to be the next Jordan and fell short. Now barely anybody still has him in the top 5. The same thing will happen to Brony when he retires. People will recognize his pattern of losing, and history won't be kind to him.

Jordan has been retired for 20 years, and he's still got the overwhelming majority of GOAT opinion. It's only a matter of time before someone passes up Jordan on the all time list. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened already. But neither Kobe nor Brony were the ones to do it.

[Axe]

Kobe was overrated. He was supposed to be the next Jordan and fell short. Now barely anybody still has him in the top 5. The same thing will happen to Brony when he retires. People will recognize his pattern of losing, and history won't be kind to him.

Jordan has been retired for 20 years, and he's still got the overwhelming majority of GOAT opinion. It's only a matter of time before someone passes up Jordan on the all time list. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened already. But neither Kobe nor Brony were the ones to do it.
But jordan had light and soft competition in the finals. Plus, don't forget he was shackled to one player for his playoff success bt. That said player also has won more in the playoffs without him than vice versa.

[Full Court]

But jordan had light and soft competition in the finals. Plus, don't forget he was shackled to one player for his playoff success bt. That said player also has won more in the playoffs without him than vice versa.

I don't consider Barkley, Magic, Malone, and Drexler light and soft competition. Regardless, Jordan dominated the best in the world. I also don't penalize Jordan for not team-hopping, even though you call it being shackled. And you can't tell me that Pippen didn't have a far better team in '94 than Jordan had during his 1-9 years.

Ultimately though, GOAT is a completely subjective concept, and everyone has their own criteria. I think reasonable cases can be made for both Wilt and Russell, but I personally have Jordan slightly ahead of them.

[Axe]

I don't consider Barkley, Magic, Malone, and Drexler light and soft competition. Regardless, Jordan dominated the best in the world. I also don't penalize Jordan for not team-hopping, even though you call it being shackled. And you can't tell me that Pippen didn't have a far better team in '94 than Jordan had during his 1-9 years.

Ultimately though, GOAT is a completely subjective concept, and everyone has their own criteria. I think reasonable cases can be made for both Wilt and Russell, but I personally have Jordan slightly ahead of them.
Okay let's try to move on from that. But what about that time when he whined to the refs about bad boy pistons and had david stern change some rules in the league, hence the birth of the flagrant foul at the start of the 90s? Seems interesting tbh. That probably had to be some catalyst in his dominance. Then the league expansion also happened. And he had the goat coach as well.

[Full Court]

Okay let's try to move on from that. But what about that time when he whined to the refs about bad boy pistons and had david stern change some rules in the league, hence the birth of the flagrant foul at the start of the 90s? Seems interesting tbh. That probably had to be some catalyst in his dominance. Then the league expansion also happened. And he had the goat coach as well.

The Pistons were legit beating the crap out of him every time he had the ball. Was complaining about it a soft thing to do? Maybe. I don't really see that as relevant to the GOAT debate.

Just out of curiosity, who do you have as GOAT? Lebron? Because he whines to the refs far more than Jordan ever did. Unless you have Magic or Bird as GOAT, pretty much everyone that came after is guilty of whining to the refs.

Also, I don't buy the argument that league expansion gave the Bulls any kind of boost. It added a few more garbage teams to the league, but as far as watering down the talent, it affected everyone equally. None of the stars went to the new garbage teams, and it ended the era of teams having 5 hall of famers. The Bulls were no more stacked than the other top teams during their first three-peat. In '96 when they got Rodman, you could definitely say they were the most stacked team. But basketball's a team sport, and Jordan had already won three titles and three FMVPs at that point.

[Axe]

The Pistons were legit beating the crap out of him every time he had the ball. Was complaining about it a soft thing to do? Maybe. I don't really see that as relevant to the GOAT debate.

Just out of curiosity, who do you have as GOAT? Lebron? Because he whines to the refs far more than Jordan ever did. Unless you have Magic or Bird as GOAT, pretty much everyone that came after is guilty of whining to the refs.

Also, I don't buy the argument that league expansion gave the Bulls any kind of boost. It added a few more garbage teams to the league, but as far as watering down the talent, it affected everyone equally. None of the stars went to the new garbage teams, and it ended the era of teams having 5 hall of famers. The Bulls were no more stacked than the other top teams during their first three-peat. In '96 when they got Rodman, you could definitely say they were the most stacked team. But basketball's a team sport, and Jordan had already won three titles and three FMVPs at that point.
Lol slr but what do you think about the wnba shortened 3-point line back then? Do you think it benefitted the dynasty too?

[Spurs m8]

Lol slr but what do you think about the wnba shortened 3-point line back then? Do you think it benefitted the dynasty too?

Who do you have as GOAT though?

[Spurs m8]

Lol slr but what do you think about the wnba shortened 3-point line back then? Do you think it benefitted the dynasty too?

The whole league used the same line....

[ClipperRevival]

We broke through the Kobe wall in 2012

4x MVP
1x FMVP

Broke thru the Magic/Bird wall in 2015

Broke thru the Kareem/Wilt wall in 2016


*MJ sweating intensifies*

Broke thru the MJ wall in 2018

Firmly planted the #1 flag on Mount GOAT in 2020

+2022 is just icing on the cake

He passed MJ by getting swept in the finals?

https://c.tenor.com/MtSub3z99TEAAAAS/confused-lebron-james.gif

[Spurs m8]

He passed MJ by getting swept in the finals?

https://c.tenor.com/MtSub3z99TEAAAAS/confused-lebron-james.gif

Bron stan logic, bro.

Getting swept and then missing the playoffs ...GOAT

Recruiting AD and getting carried to a Mickey Mouse pick up ring....confirmed GOAT

Getting exposed the next 2 years without AD, CONFIRMED GOAT

[TheCorporation]

He passed MJ by getting swept in the finals?

https://c.tenor.com/MtSub3z99TEAAAAS/confused-lebron-james.gif

He passed MJ's 5,987 playoff points in 2017 if I recall.
Then that 2018 run was the GOAT run with a record setting 32.2 PER through the Finals.

In 2018 he also had 30 ppg on 50% for all 4 series. Only guy to ever do that. #SorryMike

You new to the game? Read more, post less.

[kawhileonard2]

He passed MJ's 5,987 playoff points in 2017 if I recall.
Then that 2018 run was the GOAT run with a record setting 32.2 PER through the Finals.

In 2018 he also had 30 ppg on 50% for all 4 series. Only guy to ever do that. #SorryMike

You new to the game? Read more, post less.

Dude got swept with another allstar.

and then this happened.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats



Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry



Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html



"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html

[TheCorporation]

Guys? Remember when using Kobe to argue over LBJ was a thing 10 years ago?

[2much_knowledge]

But now...

All they have left...

Is Jordan :oldlol:

And even that's not working out too well :roll:

Carry on

It works pretty damn well when the receptor/listener has any intelligence in him lol

[TheCorporation]

But wasn't it funny ten years ago though?