Scottie Pippen dunk from the FT line - a perfect metaphor for how underrated he was?

[TheGoatest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyTNWKt0r8

He did this and it is barely remembered. Meanwhile, a teammate of his did the exact same thing and it's hyped to infinity, is featured on countless posters, etc.

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Well, technically it's not the same thing, as Pippen clearly took off further away from the basket.

[Spurs m8]

Maybe coz Jordan did it 2 years earlier....you clown

MJ kills you

[TheGoatest]

Maybe coz Jordan did it 2 years earlier....you clown

MJ kills you

Hey moron, if you knew your history you would know that Dr. J did it a decade earlier than Jordan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYrjX5pihgI

[Axe]

Baldone got this troll thinking about him on a daily basis lololol

[iamgine]

Pippen wasn't underrated. He's just not ultra famous like MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Iverson, etc.

[SATAN]

lmao Back in the day MJ stans actually thought it was some insanely hard dunk to do. Pippen and Kukoc were practically doing it in their sleep.

Meanwhile a guy like Lavine has been filmed doing 360 free throw line dunks. :bowdown:

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lmao Back in the day MJ stans actually thought it was some insanely hard dunk to do. Pippen and Kukoc were practically doing it in their sleep.

Meanwhile a guy like Lavine has been filmed doing 360 free throw line dunks. :bowdown:

Athletically Jordan would be just another guy in the modern era, it’s much easier to dominate on both ends when the average guy chasing you around is 6’2 160lbs regular guy and slow like Jeff Hornacek or Danny Ainge. Even easier when you have guys like Kukoc and Pippen setting up the play who were vastly more athletic than the rest of the league and hoarded by the Bulls like many other Hall of Famers at the time.

For instance a guy like Hamidou Diallo is just another guy in the Nba today clinging to a roster spot, but in Jordan’s era would average 20PPG on transition dunks alone.

[Airupthere]

Its not about the distance or being able to dunk from the ft line per se. It is about the player, the swag, the aesthetics that make dunks worth watching. Bronstans could never understand this. Bron may dunk from the ft line while looking like a hippo and bronstans will still say its the best thing in the world.

[HunterSThompson]

people shit on kobe for averaging 15 in the 2000 nba finals cause of a 2 point injury game taking him out of the first quarter.


pippen averaged like 15 points for his entire career. the guy was a walking 2 point injury game

that being said he was a great defender. but offensively he was practically a role player most of the time

[Airupthere]

Lol at the bronsexuals on this thread when lebron did not even have the guts to join the dunk contest.

[TheGoatest]

people shit on kobe for averaging 15 in the 2000 nba finals cause of a 2 point injury game taking him out of the first quarter.


pippen averaged like 15 points for his entire career. the guy was a walking 2 point injury game

that being said he was a great defender. but offensively he was practically a role player most of the time

LMAO, Kobe scored 14 points in game 1, prior to the injury.
The great Scottie Pippen was #3 in perimeter scoring the year Jordan left him alone while also being the best passing non-point guard in the game, by far.
And on top of all this came his defense, where he was the best perimeter defender in the game.

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Lol at the bronsexuals on this thread when lebron did not even have the guts to join the dunk contest.

Why are you obsessed with Bron dude? This topic is about Jordan

[3ba11]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z02VkkORnkc

[StrongLurk]

Pippen isn't underrated. He's a fringe top 50 player of all time.

[3ba11]

Pippen isn't underrated. He's a fringe top 50 player of all time.


Fringe top 50 > his top 150 stats like PER or win share

So statistically, he's the most overrated player ever if we're looking at stats, level of domination (virtually none), or peak capability (22/5.... less than 95' Horry in Finals gamescore 6/6 times)

[3ba11]

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Every good 2nd option in 90's was infact a 1b that often led team, except Pippen:



* KJ carried Barkley in multiple 7-game series againt peak Hakeem in the 94' and 95' Playoffs (28/5/9 in both series with multiple 40-point games)

* Terry Porter carried the Blazers to the 92' Finals by averaging 26/4/8 on 72% true shooting (52% threes on 6 attempts) in the 92' WCF and WCSF.

* 5th option Jerome Kersey carried the Blazers to the 90' Finals by leading them in scoring during the Western Playoffs

* Worthy won FMVP and led the Lakers in scoring for back-to-back title runs, including 24-25 ppg for the 87-90' Playoffs (30 on 62% in 88' WCF)

* Payton and Kemp alternated back and forth with both guys taking turns dominating opponents in various series

* Penny averaged 26/5/8 in the 1995 Finals, which nearly matched Shaq's 27/10/4

* Stockton carried Malone to the 97' Finals by averaging 21/10 to Malone's 23/12 and hitting the historic series walk-off in Barkley's face, while also scoring like MJ in the clutch for that entire playoffs (nearly matching MJ in clutch points for those playoffs)


So there's only 1 sidekick that was carried for every series of their career - it's Pippen, who never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, while having one of the lowest peak capabilities of any star (22/5 peak capability).

So he's the worst sidekick of all-time by virtue of being the only sidekick that was carried in every series of their career, while also having one of the lowest peak capabilities of any sidekick (22/5 peak stats, aka trash peak and the only guy that never reached Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample, aka 0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals)

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Every good 2nd option in 90's was infact a 1b that often led team, except Pippen:



* KJ carried Barkley in multiple 7-game series againt peak Hakeem in the 94' and 95' Playoffs (28/5/9 in both series with multiple 40-point games)

* Terry Porter carried the Blazers to the 92' Finals by averaging 26/4/8 on 72% true shooting (52% threes on 6 attempts) in the 92' WCF and WCSF.

* 5th option Jerome Kersey carried the Blazers to the 90' Finals by leading them in scoring during the Western Playoffs

* Worthy won FMVP and led the Lakers in scoring for back-to-back title runs, including 24-25 ppg for the 87-90' Playoffs (30 on 62% in 88' WCF)

* Payton and Kemp alternated back and forth with both guys taking turns dominating opponents in various series

* Penny averaged 26/5/8 in the 1995 Finals, which nearly matched Shaq's 27/10/4

* Stockton carried Malone to the 97' Finals by averaging 21/10 to Malone's 23/12 and hitting the historic series walk-off in Barkley's face, while also scoring like MJ in the clutch for that entire playoffs (nearly matching MJ in clutch points for those playoffs)


So there's only 1 sidekick that was carried for every series of their career - it's Pippen, who never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, while having one of the lowest peak capabilities of any star (22/5 peak capability).

So he's the worst sidekick of all-time by virtue of being the only sidekick that was carried in every series of their career, while also having one of the lowest peak capabilities of any sidekick (22/5 peak stats, aka trash peak and the only guy that never reached Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample, aka 0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals)


All those guys carried further than Jordan prior to Pippen’s arrival? There’s no two ways about it, either those players are superior to Jordan due to their individual success as first options, or they’re inferior to Pippen. :applause:

Good job 3Ball, you’ve contradicted yourself 5 times already before noon

[3ba11]

All those guys carried further than Jordan prior to Pippen’s arrival? There’s no two ways about it, either those players are superior to Jordan due to their individual success as first options, or they’re inferior to Pippen. :applause:

Good job 3Ball, you’ve contradicted yourself 5 times already before noon


Guys like Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Curry and Jordan lost in their first few years, but once they passed their rookie struggles, Jordan won the most by far out of everyone, so he's goat

Everyone else lost a ton with top seeds, favorites, teams with all-stars, or Finals teams, while Jordan almost never did.

So the point stands - only Pippen was carried in every series, while every other 2nd option took turns leading the team (1b's)

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Guys like Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Curry and Jordan lost in their first few years, but once they passed their rookie struggles, Jordan won the most by far out of everyone, so he's goat

Everyone else lost a ton with top seeds, favorites, teams with all-stars, or Finals teams, while Jordan almost never did.

So the point stands - only Pippen was carried in every series, while every other 2nd option took turns leading the team (1b's)

Didnt Pippen win 55 games with overseas NBA reject Pete Myers starting in place of Jordan? Again your logic is inconsistent

Pippen is depreciated despite having accomplished exactly the qualification you are using to reject him, whereas Jordan gets an excuse for never having made the playoffs without Pippen.

Let’s say “everyone loses” their first couple of years (although Bird and Magic made the conference finals and won a title with FMVP their first year, respectively). What years did Jordan miss the playoffs with Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes (the latter you believe to be better than Pippen so no excuses)?

[3ba11]

Didnt Pippen win 55 games with overseas NBA reject Pete Myers starting in place of Jordan? Again your logic is inconsistent

Pippen is depreciated despite having accomplished exactly the qualification you are using to reject him, whereas Jordan gets an excuse for never having made the playoffs without Pippen.

Let’s say “everyone loses” their first couple of years (although Bird and Magic made the conference finals and won a title with FMVP their first year, respectively). What years did Jordan miss the playoffs with Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes (the latter you believe to be better than Pippen so no excuses)?


Good 1st options are supposed to grow a franchise every year but in less than 18 months, Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round and then borderline lottery in 95'

He only got embarrassed in every big playoff moment.. There's only evidence of him struggling and producing poorly - NEVER dominating

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Good 1st options are supposed to grow a franchise every year but in less than 18 months, Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round and then borderline lottery in 95'

He only got embarrassed in every big playoff moment.. There's only evidence of him struggling and producing poorly - NEVER dominating
Jordan is “the GOAT” but simultaneously Pippen is expected to win the title without him? I wonder why Pippen is held to a higher standard than MJ the so called GOAT

I also wonder why Pippen would need to win a title in order to be respected without Jordan when Jordan does not even need to win (or qualify) for a playoff series. Have you ever heard of a player named Chuck Pearson?

[3ba11]

Jordan is “the GOAT” but simultaneously Pippen is expected to win the title without him? I wonder why Pippen is held to a higher standard than MJ the so called GOAT

I also wonder why Pippen would need to win a title in order to be respected without Jordan when Jordan does not even need to win (or qualify) for a playoff series. Have you ever heard of a player named Chuck Pearson?


MJ achieved his first top 5 offense with less help than Lebron did


09' Mo Will... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 3.1 VORP... 0.165 WS/48
90' Pippen.... 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 3.0 VORP... 0.087 WS/48

09' Mo Will... 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 59% ts... 115 ortg... 23.4 usage
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 53% ts... 103 ortg... 21.0 usage


MJ also had four #1 offenses with far less offensive help than Lebron's super-teams, which had an extra all-star teammate.

Jordan's triangles were also better than Kobe's or Shaq's, with greater ortg and margins above league average.

Btw, we see that 09' Mo was far superior to 90' Pippen offensively, while the Cavs had the #3 defense compared to #19 for the Bulls - so Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles by winning the following year in 91', while Lebron lost in 10' despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite.

[97 bulls]

The problem as always is we have some guys that want to compare stats as opposed to actual results. Draymond Green was trash when he led the Warriors after Curry and Thompson went down. Kukoc faired better than him in 99 and the Bulls were intentionally tanking and Green had a better roster to work with.

If we're gonna credit the Warriors offense, then we must do the same for the Bulls defense which is equally impressive.

Durant is a hoe that has shown he can't lead a team to a championship.

I'd pick the Bulls in 6

[Bronbron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyTNWKt0r8

He did this and it is barely remembered. Meanwhile, a teammate of his did the exact same thing and it's hyped to infinity, is featured on countless posters, etc.

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Well, technically it's not the same thing, as Pippen clearly took off further away from the basket.

Maybe it's because mj's had way more style. As far as ft line dunks go pips was one of the uglier ones.

[Airupthere]

Maybe it's because mj's had way more style. As far as ft line dunks go pips was one of the uglier ones.

I'm a fan of pip's in-game dunks. Not this particular one though. It's not bad but he could have put in more style and swag.

[SATAN]

I remember in highschool there were MJ stans claiming that MJ could dunk from the 3 point line. They were dead serious. :oldlol:

:facepalm

[Phoenix]

Good 1st options are supposed to grow a franchise every year but in less than 18 months, Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round and then borderline lottery in 95'



You do realize that Scottie missed 10 games, Horace missed 12, and the Bulls still ended up 3rd seed with 55 wins. It's entirely possible they could have gotten the top seed with a little better health from those two considering the top seeded Knicks won 57 games. So there is a 'what if' version of the 94 season where Pippen and Grant each play 75 plus games and the Bulls win more than 60. Without MJ.

Then in 95, Horace left and his impact should be obvious when you look at the Bulls-Magic series. But you know all this and wilfully ignore it but hey, at this point I assume you're on the payroll here.

[Gohan]

Pippen wasn't underrated. He's just not ultra famous like MJ, Kobe, Lebron, Iverson, etc.

Glad you mentioned iverson. you dont know how much it means to me

[Axe]

LMAO, Kobe scored 14 points in game 1, prior to the injury.
The great Scottie Pippen was #3 in perimeter scoring the year Jordan left him alone while also being the best passing non-point guard in the game, by far.
And on top of all this came his defense, where he was the best perimeter defender in the game.
Lol scottie pippen should never be great under your laughable logic because he played in the watered-down 90s, remember?

[Axe]

Jordan is “the GOAT” but simultaneously Pippen is expected to win the title without him? I wonder why Pippen is held to a higher standard than MJ the so called GOAT

I also wonder why Pippen would need to win a title in order to be respected without Jordan when Jordan does not even need to win (or qualify) for a playoff series. Have you ever heard of a player named Chuck Pearson?
Some roundball rock vibes itp.

Anyway, they both suck because they played in the weak ass 90s.