Wade - "they’re gonna forget about Jordan like we forget about Kareem.”

[Johnny32]

agree/disagree?

[expansionera]

Eventually Jordan will not be seen as the GOAT by your average layperson, this is already the case typically for people who know anything about basketball. Look at Julius Erving’ stop 5 players in history comparatively to your own and see if you recognize very many players.

With recency bias and simply the passage of time Jordan will be seen more like Kobe Bryant with players like Lebron James and Giannis likely usurping his throne amongst frat guys and boomers that haven’t watched a game in ten years. Kareem’s legacy would definitely have lasted longer and he’d be more involved in the GOAT discussion if he was a complete corporate shell out whose career was manufactured to sell cheap sneakers at exuberant prices for disenfranchised youth.

[kabacho]

Jordan will be a shoe.

[BigKobeFan]

I already forgot about wade

[Spurs m8]

How's that working out for them?

Brons stans live and breathe Jordan.

Its been nearly 20 years and he's still the consensus GOAT.

Another Wade failure

[Johnny32]

Eventually Jordan will not be seen as the GOAT by your average layperson, this is already the case typically for people who know anything about basketball. Look at Julius Erving’ stop 5 players in history comparatively to your own and see if you recognize very many players.

With recency bias and simply the passage of time Jordan will be seen more like Kobe Bryant with players like Lebron James and Giannis likely usurping his throne amongst frat guys and boomers that haven’t watched a game in ten years. Kareem’s legacy would definitely have lasted longer and he’d be more involved in the GOAT discussion if he was a complete corporate shell out whose career was manufactured to sell cheap sneakers at exuberant prices for disenfranchised youth.

lol yeah i rem seeing dr j's top 5.

[3ba11]

No one has forgotten Jordan for 30 years so it's already happened and Jordan remains goat.

Furthermore, Jordan is the only player that has ever been called the goat because that term wasn't used and no one really considered who was the greatest until Jordan arrived - everyone knew that there were too many competitors for the throne to bother comparing...... UNTIL jordan came along.. It was clear that he was goat, so the goat debate began.

That's the historical record - there are zero debates about goat until MJ arrived..

People bring up Kareem after the fact because of his resume, but he has literally half or a third of the titles as Jordan as the best player.. So there's no comparison or area that Kareem is anywhere near Jordan, except longevity-related things

[Spurs m8]

LeBron isn't even in GOAT convo, so I don't know why his stans keep pushing that false narrative tbh

They need to gaslight people on the daily and it still doesn't move the needle

[hateraid]

How's that working out for them?

Brons stans live and breathe Jordan.

Its been nearly 20 years and he's still the consensus GOAT.

Another Wade failure

Yet here you are yet again letting Lebron dictate your life. Irony

[BigKobeFan]

LeBron isn't even in GOAT convo, so I don't know why his stans keep pushing that false narrative tbh

They need to gaslight people on the daily and it still doesn't move the needle

Its only about 3-5 posters with different accounts that keep spamming the same shit. They act like there's a consensus when there are 30-50 accounts from 5 guys saying the same shit.

Bran hasn't even passed up shaq or kobe or duncan

[Johnny32]

LeBron isn't even in GOAT convo

lol k

[Airupthere]

I'm sure someone better than MJ will come along at some point.

Almost 40 years since MJ joined the NBA. None of his videos, highlights, etc are going away. His moves are still being studied, emulated and awed at.

[warriorfan]

I already forgot about wade

:roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

[warriorfan]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

2011

[BigKobeFan]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

2011

[Spurs m8]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

What about FMVP?

6 rings with 6 FMVP will very much be remembered....and it kills you.

No one cares about longevity stats

And 2016 was 1 finals series, it's a drop in the ocean

Sorry little guy, ya boy just isn't memorable..on or off the court...just like his shoes

[StrongLurk]

Nah it's totally different with MJ. He is an icon outside of sports and will still last awhile.

Kareem would've been too if he peaked in the 90's when the world started to be more connected.

[Gudo]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

2011

[TheCorporation]

2011

2016
https://i.postimg.cc/Vv8jS0GV/qweqweqweqwe.png

"He Looks Like He Wants It."

:lol

https://i.postimg.cc/Znx3zhGg/yuyuyuyuyu.gif

[TheCorporation]

2011

WarriorFan fuming :lol Hiding behind a Kobe name. Total beta cuck move. Makes sense...

[warriorfan]

2011

[Airupthere]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

2011

[Spurs m8]

2011

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg


Anything else? :pimp:

[HunterSThompson]

na


not with the jordan logo on every alternate jersey. not with people still buying his shoes more than any other.

Kareem was a boring big man with a goofy look and goggles.

Jordan's like ruth/Ali.. he will always be the "it" guy for the sport. his highlights are timeless like kobe and birds

[HunterSThompson]

https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg


Anything else? :pimp:

the Westbrook of nba finals. congrats

[Airupthere]

na


not with the jordan logo on every alternate jersey. not with people still buying his shoes more than any other.

Kareem was a boring big man with a goofy look and goggles.

Jordan's like ruth/Ali.. he will always be the "it" guy for the sport. his highlights are timeless like kobe and birds

Jordan defined cool. Kareem and his skyhook, while dominant aren't really translatable to other generations. Lebron's crabwalk, ugly footwork, shooting form, etc will age the worst.

[HunterSThompson]

Jordan defined cool. Kareem and his skyhook, while dominant aren't really translatable to other generations. Lebron's crabwalk, ugly footwork, shooting form, etc will age the worst.

yeah if anything lebron gets forgotten cause his highlights look ugly and awkward

[Spurs m8]

Jordan defined cool. Kareem and his skyhook, while dominant aren't really translatable to other generations. Lebron's crabwalk, ugly footwork, shooting form, etc will age the worst.

Truth

He was never cool on or off the court, either.

Not only that, the dude is walking cringe

People gonna watch his taco Tuesday videos in years to come and mock what a clown he was

[Airupthere]

yeah if anything lebron gets forgotten cause his highlights look ugly and awkward

He'll be the karl malone of stats. Up there but no one really cares, lol. If anything, his flopping, fails, and cringe interview compilations are the ones that will permeate.

[Johnny32]

lol the nerd squad is in complete denial.

[Spurs m8]

He'll be the karl malone of stats. Up there but no one really cares, lol. If anything, his flopping, fails, and cringe interview compilations are the ones that will permeate.

Another fantastic look into the future, actually

[beasted]

With enough time, it's absolutely true.

There are people who don't have Russell in their top 10. It's insane.

[beasted]

Anything else? :pimp:
2011

[BigKobeFan]

https://pm1.narvii.com/6404/b632f7fac9df3d2fff64930779a47d3d13850954_hq.jpg

[Hey Yo]

2011

Was the year Duncan got beat by an 8th seed in the first round.

[Johnny32]

Was the year Duncan got beat by an 8th seed in the first round.

speaking of getting swept. kobe and the lakers did also.

[Vino24]

https://pm1.narvii.com/6404/b632f7fac9df3d2fff64930779a47d3d13850954_hq.jpg

The free throw disparity was pretty obvious:biggums:

[Johnny32]

speaking of getting swept. kobe and the lakers did also.

jason terry also outplayed kobe, btw.

[Airupthere]

https://pm1.narvii.com/6404/b632f7fac9df3d2fff64930779a47d3d13850954_hq.jpg

Was 11 points a tribute to the year 2011?

[Vino24]

2016

[BigKobeFan]

The free throw disparity was pretty obvious:biggums:

because bran was scared. He didn't want the ball in his hands.

[Johnny32]

The free throw disparity was pretty obvious:biggums:

fax


https://youtu.be/4_G8Q46hGus?t=1

lerigged.

[John8204]

Funny thing about Lebron and his "super teams" and Jordan with his "Pippen"

Lou only won titles with Oscar Robertson and Magic F'n Johnson

[warriorfan]

2011

[3ba11]

So why haven't we forgotten about Jordan yet after 20-30 years already?

Only Kareem was forgotten because he only won 2 titles as the best player and was never really lauded at a goat level even when he was playing

[Johnny32]

So why haven't we forgotten about Jordan yet?

Only Kareem was forgotten because he only won 2 titles as the best player

the media who covered him is clearly still in love with him. they're also in their 50s. they'll be off tv and irrelevant in 10/20 years.

[beasted]

So why haven't we forgotten about Jordan yet after 20-30 years already?

Only Kareem was forgotten because he only won 2 titles as the best player and was never really lauded at a goat level even when he was playing

People born in 2030 will have no concept of Jordan and only old grainy YouTube (or it's eventual replacement) to go by on LeBron and others, by the time they are 20 years old in 2050. They will all be forgotten and discredited.

[3ba11]

People born in 2030 will have no concept of Jordan and only old grainy YouTube (or it's eventual replacement) to go by on LeBron and others, by the time they are 20 years old in 2050. They will all be forgotten and discredited.


Things like YouTube and Google are exactly why Wade is wrong - they quickly teach youngsters who the GOAT is

So it's already going on and MJ remains the goat because we don't live in the stone age, where I'm sure there were some unknown gems

[Johnny32]

People born in 2030 will have no concept of Jordan and only old grainy YouTube (or it's eventual replacement) to go by on LeBron and others, by the time they are 20 years old in 2050. They will all be forgotten and discredited.

lebron's highlights are on yt in high definition glory. jordan's are the grainy ones you can barely make it.

[Airupthere]

lebron's highlights are on yt in high definition glory. jordan's are the grainy ones you can barely make it.

No amount of HD quality can make Lebron's ugly game look good.

[BigKobeFan]

lebron's highlights are on yt in high definition glory. jordan's are the grainy ones you can barely make it.

I don't know why the videos in the early 2000s and late 90s are so grainy. I don't even remember watching the screen being that grainy in the first place.

[Johnny32]

lebron's highlights are on yt in high definition glory. jordan's are the grainy ones you can barely make it.

like this. is that jordone acting like a truck ran him over? isn't that little 6'1, 180 lb isiah thomas?


https://youtu.be/1jL84Sqgum0?t=2

[3ba11]

videos in the early 2000s and late 90s are so grainy.





Yet Jordan is still considered goat over Lebron so why would that change in 2030?

Many fans of today's game were born after Jordan retired... or even worse, they only saw broken-down Wizards Jordan

Yet things like Google, bballref and YouTube quickly teach them that MJ is goat.

Furthermore, some of his highlights are infact in HD

Legacies live on, like Alexander the Great

[beasted]

lebron's highlights are on yt in high definition glory. jordan's are the grainy ones you can barely make it.

By then TVs will all be 12k and by comparison everything will look grainy. Go ahead and look up a 2012 playoff game and a 2020 playoff game of LeBron and tell me you don't see a massive difference already. 30 years from now it will all look like mush. Nobody will want to bother doing any research. The newer generations will become more entitled.

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[Johnny32]

By then TVs will all be 12k and by comparison everything will look grainy. Go ahead and look up a 2012 playoff game and a 2020 playoff game of LeBron and tell me you don't see a massive difference already. 30 years from now it will all look like mush. Nobody will want to bother doing any research. The newer generations will become more entitled.

there's debates if the eyes can even see a difference in 4k to 8k let alone 12k.

[tontoz]

Nobody is forgetting about MJ. He still has higher shoe sales than anyone. Too much video of him out there.

When Kareem was in his prime in the 70s the NBA wasn't that popular. Not a valid comparison.

[3ba11]

By then TVs will all be 12k and by comparison everything will look grainy. Go ahead and look up a 2012 playoff game and a 2020 playoff game of LeBron and tell me you don't see a massive difference already. 30 years from now it will all look like mush. Nobody will want to bother doing any research. The newer generations will become more entitled.


True

[Johnny32]

Nobody is forgetting about MJ. He still has higher shoe sales than anyone. Too much video of him out there.

When Kareem was in his prime in the 70s the NBA wasn't that popular. Not a valid comparison.

jordan is a brand now with many players under it.

[3ba11]

Nobody is forgetting about MJ. He still has higher shoe sales than anyone. Too much video of him out there.

When Kareem was in his prime in the 70s the NBA wasn't that popular. Not a valid comparison.


Exactly, and they'll have more stats to make MJ look goat just like the stats invented AFTER he retired like PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, plus-minus or RAPTOR (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif).

[Johnny32]

the autistic guy is panic spamming.

[Bronbron23]

agree/disagree?

Hard to day. MJ's shoes keeps him much more relevant than kareem as he got older.

[Spurs m8]

Imagine when the prisoner of the moment and manufactured LeBarry hype dies down.

He will be remembered as the easy path mug that he is...complete with an ugly game and some cute longevity stats, including

- most turnovers ever
- most playoff turnovers ever
- most playoff missed shots ever

And maybe even most missed shots ever.

His stans brag how he cake walked to the finals through a weak Conference, like it's an achievement.

The finals appearances will be seen as failure and they'll see a bunch of clips where Steph seems to be on the opposing team a lot, the team that won.

The same Steph that was the face of the league, after Kobe....and had all those impressive, non-ugly moves as well as being known as a top 3 shooter ever...number 1 to many.

LeBron will be remembered for nothing meaningful

[Airupthere]

I think that if future generations truly appreciate and like the sport, whatever quality the videos come in, they would still find time to watch and enjoy them. Like how we like watching videos of pistol pete, iceman, elgin baylor, wilt, lew, dr j, players who were before my time. I still watch games and highlights from the 80s, 90s and 00s from time to time. As long as basketball exists, kareem, wilt, jordan, and the greats will be talked about and appreciated. MJ and the other greats will be the last to be forgotten. That is my serious take on it.

I dont know what wade is talking about. No one forgot about kareem or wilt or russell.

[Johnny32]

like this. is that jordone acting like a truck ran him over? isn't that little 6'1, 180 lb isiah thomas?


https://youtu.be/1jL84Sqgum0?t=2

can anyone confirm if this is the jordan shoe brand guy?

[3ba11]

the autistic guy is panic spamming.


Imagine the surprise when the team of statisticians that created PER gathered all.their stats and work only to find the GOAT was...... still...... that black kat... MJ

All these "advanced stats" that have Jordan #1 were created after Jordan retired.

So again, the future will continue to find more stats to make MJ look goat just like the stats invented AFTER he retired like PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, plus-minus or RAPTOR (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif).

[Airupthere]

can anyone confirm if this is the jordan shoe brand guy?

That to me is taking a charge and a flop. Bravo, you found one and it's not even half as bad as Lebron's. Get yourself a treat. Bransexuals should not be commenting on these though as Lebron has some of the most exquisite sets of the worst flopping jobs of all time, on and off a basketball play.

[Johnny32]

That to me is taking a charge and a flop. Bravo, you found one and it's not even half as bad as Lebron's. Get yourself a treat. Bransexuals should not be commenting on these though as Lebron has some of the most exquisite sets of the worst flopping jobs of all time, on and off a basketball play.

i like how his arms flail up like the impact was so great. did you get a chuckle out of it also?

[Airupthere]

i like how his arms flail up like the impact was so great. did you get a chuckle out of it also?

I did actually. Out of character for MJ to do. He's not chronic unlike lebron so I can take this L for MJ. How about you? Can you watch those compilation videos of tons of horrible flopping by Lebron with a chuckle?

[Johnny32]

speaking of lebron though...he wouldn't have flopped 1v1 in the open court vs a 6'1, 180 lb midget, btw. he would have blocked that weak shit.

[Airupthere]

speaking of lebron though...he wouldn't have flopped 1v1 in the open court vs a 6'1, 180 lb midget, btw. he would have blocked that weak shit.

Speaking of midgets, lebron's dunk got blocked by an even tinier midget nate robinson in the playoffs.

[tontoz]

speaking of lebron though...he wouldn't have flopped 1v1 in the open court vs a 6'1, 180 lb midget, btw. he would have blocked that weak shit.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/lebron-flop-3_zpsk91twbwx.gif

[beasted]

there's debates if the eyes can even see a difference in 4k to 8k let alone 12k.

All I have to say is the TV quality you have in your house right now... Picture it imagine it....capture it in your mind. Got it?

Now compare it to a TV designed in 1990. /discussion.

It's going to be the same thing in 2050. Maybe not quite as stark, but maybe there's some new 3D/Virtual Reality tv standard that's fully popularized by then that makes anything 2D obsolete. Regardless of 4k or not.

It's like a CD disc. Who cares what the quality of the bit rate is for a CD (I think it's 320 KB/ps). Nobody owns a CD player. So people won't listen or bother to rip the CDs to a format that's ingested by the masses.

[Spurs m8]

Basketball REALLY isn't for Johnny tbh

[Airupthere]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/lebron-flop-3_zpsk91twbwx.gif

:oldlol: i dont think johnnyboy acknowledges that this vid exists

[Johnny32]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/lebron-flop-3_zpsk91twbwx.gif

it's like she can't read. show me lebron flopping in a 1v1 transition defense vs a 6'1, 180 lb midget.

[Johnny32]

All I have to say is the TV quality you have in your house right now... Picture it imagine it....capture it in your mind. Got it?

Now compare it to a TV designed in 1990. /discussion.

It's going to be the same thing in 2050. Maybe not quite as stark, but maybe there's some new 3D/Virtual Reality tv standard that's fully popularized by then that makes anything 2D obsolete. Regardless of 4k or not.

It's like a CD disc. Who cares what the quality of the bit rate is for a CD (I think it's 320 KB/ps). Nobody owns a CD player. So people won't listen or bother to rip the CDs to a format that's ingested by the masses.

it really isn't though. your eyes aren't capable of seeing the difference unless your inches away.

[tontoz]

it's like she can't read. show me lebron flopping in a 1v1 transition defense vs a 6'1, 180 lb midget.

Right, he only flopped because he was on offense and he was facing Scary Terry :lol

[tontoz]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/le%20flop_zpsarrckgdu.gif

[beasted]

I think that if future generations truly appreciate and like the sport, whatever quality the videos come in, they would still find time to watch and enjoy them. Like how we like watching videos of pistol pete, iceman, elgin baylor, wilt, lew, dr j, players who were before my time. I still watch games and highlights from the 80s, 90s and 00s from time to time. As long as basketball exists, kareem, wilt, jordan, and the greats will be talked about and appreciated. MJ and the other greats will be the last to be forgotten. That is my serious take on it.

I dont know what wade is talking about. No one forgot about kareem or wilt or russell.

I don't think you're grasping the concept.

Yes they may have access to it, but they won't fully comprehend the gravity of how great that player was in their era and they will discredit them.

It's already happened with Russell, later it's happened with guys like Dr. J. I was reading lots of people putting guys like Durant over him (personally I don't get why). Its already started with Jordan, and eventually it will happen with LeBron.

[beasted]

it really isn't though. your eyes aren't capable of seeing the difference unless your inches away.

Your eyes can't tell the difference between a TV made in 1990 and a TV made in 2020? You need glasses, bruh.

My 12K remark wasn't intended to be literal. The gist of it is that technology will far surpass anything out now that it will look obsolete.

The casual fan won't want to bother boring their eyes with watching something from "the stone age".

Also the style of play will be so far outside of what they're used to by then it will also be obsolete. 20yr old fans nowadays HATE watching a game with Shaq. Absolutely despise it and can't watch more than 5 minutes of it straight.

[TheCorporation]

Guys?

https://i.postimg.cc/MGR4Fm7m/GOATchipalltime.jpg

Are we done now?.:lol

[warriorfan]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/lebron-flop-3_zpsk91twbwx.gif

:roll:

Scary Terry

[Gudo]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/lebron-flop-3_zpsk91twbwx.gif

Sucks to play with a guy like that. Just play the game honest. One of the worst flops at an inopportune time to boot.

[Spurs m8]

Your eyes can't tell the difference between a TV made in 1990 and a TV made in 2020? You need glasses, bruh.

My 12K remark wasn't intended to be literal. The gist of it is that technology will far surpass anything out now that it will look obsolete.

The casual fan won't want to bother boring their eyes with watching something from "the stone age".

Also the style of play will be so far outside of what they're used to by then it will also be obsolete. 20yr old fans nowadays HATE watching a game with Shaq. Absolutely despise it and can't watch more than 5 minutes of it straight.

He's a fvcking liar

[Axe]

Eventually Jordan will not be seen as the GOAT by your average layperson, this is already the case typically for people who know anything about basketball. Look at Julius Erving’ stop 5 players in history comparatively to your own and see if you recognize very many players.

With recency bias and simply the passage of time Jordan will be seen more like Kobe Bryant with players like Lebron James and Giannis likely usurping his throne amongst frat guys and boomers that haven’t watched a game in ten years. Kareem’s legacy would definitely have lasted longer and he’d be more involved in the GOAT discussion if he was a complete corporate shell out whose career was manufactured to sell cheap sneakers at exuberant prices for disenfranchised youth.
Well, you aren't aware that people can't start to forget about him if you troll about him on a daily basis.

[Axe]

2016
https://i.postimg.cc/Vv8jS0GV/qweqweqweqwe.png

"He Looks Like He Wants It."

:lol

https://i.postimg.cc/Znx3zhGg/yuyuyuyuyu.gif
:roll:

[guy]

Could be wrong but I believe back in the day Russell and Wilt were usually considered greater players than Kareem. It’s not until more recently as narratives have changed that Kareem has been considered greater by a lot.

[MadDog]

Gonna be hard to "forget about Jordan" if Youtube and the internet are still around. But yeah, 50 years from now, fans will probably think all players today are trash. :oldlol:

[FilmyCogTurner]

Jordan will be a shoe. No one cares about six rings when Pippen has six, Kareem has six, and Russell has 11.

But what will no one forget?

2016, beating a 73 win team when down 3-1

7,631 Playoff Points (#1 all time, unbreakable)
40,000 Reg Szn points

2011

[TheGoatest]

Could be wrong but I believe back in the day Russell and Wilt were usually considered greater players than Kareem. It’s not until more recently as narratives have changed that Kareem has been considered greater by a lot.

That's because the further away we get from players careers when they finish them, people look at records and longevity. And Kareem is #1 in all-time scoring right now. And unlike Wilt and Russell he played until he was in his 40s. In retrospect, his overall career just seems more full than Russell's and Wilt's, which is why he is ranked higher.

[guy]

That's because the further away we get from players careers when they finish them, people look at records and longevity. And Kareem is #1 in all-time scoring right now. And unlike Wilt and Russell he played until he was in his 40s. In retrospect, his overall career just seems more full than Russell's and Wilt's, which is why he is ranked higher.

Right, so people who didn't watch them play have to rely on other things besides watching them play. :oldlol:

[John8204]

That's because the further away we get from players careers when they finish them, people look at records and longevity. And Kareem is #1 in all-time scoring right now. And unlike Wilt and Russell he played until he was in his 40s. In retrospect, his overall career just seems more full than Russell's and Wilt's, which is why he is ranked higher.

Personally I don't think he should be ranked ahead of Wilt but I can understand the position.

[3ba11]

Personally I don't think he should be ranked ahead of Wilt


I agree.

Wilt was the best of the centers.. Kareem just had more longevity

Kareem's best year of 71' was dwarfed by Wilt just a few years earlier

[Ryoka Narusawa]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/le%20flop_zpsarrckgdu.gif

:roll:

[Johnny32]

I don't think you're grasping the concept.

Yes they may have access to it, but they won't fully comprehend the gravity of how great that player was in their era and they will discredit them.

It's already happened with Russell, later it's happened with guys like Dr. J. I was reading lots of people putting guys like Durant over him (personally I don't get why). Its already started with Jordan, and eventually it will happen with LeBron.

i get it you're just wrong. 3d and virtual reality already failed. pixels are as high as the eye can see currently. you're also wrong about the game changing in 20 years or whatever. the 3pt shot will be the most efficient shot then too unless they add a 4 pointer (not happening.) and small ball will be the best lineups to take advantage of this.

[kawhileonard2]

How's that working out for them?

Brons stans live and breathe Jordan.

Its been nearly 20 years and he's still the consensus GOAT.

Another Wade failure

Also Babe Ruth and Ali arent forgotten and neither have the best records/most stats, etc.

[TheGoatest]

I agree.

Wilt was the best of the centers.. Kareem just had more longevity

Kareem's best year of 71' was dwarfed by Wilt just a few years earlier

Kareem's 1980 finals, in which he didn't even win Finals MVP (wrongly) absolutely demolishes any Finals Wilt had. :oldlol:


Also Babe Ruth and Ali arent forgotten and neither have the best records/most stats, etc.

This fool truly doesn't know what he's talking about. Babe Ruth doesn't have stats? One of the dumbest posts ever on this forum, and that says a lot. :oldlol:

The most consensus GOAT in the 4 major American sports is probably Wayne Gretzky, despite not having won the most rings even in his most era, let alone overall. Why? Because his statistical records are considered unbreakable. Current LeBron is actually leading the league in rings unlike Jordan did for a single second of his career, and on top of that has longevity/stats that thwart Jordan's on both ends of his career.

[Spurs m8]

Also Babe Ruth and Ali arent forgotten and neither have the best records/most stats, etc.

Exactly

It's a really weird thing for Wade to say....

Maybe Jordan hurt his feelings behind the scenes

Meanwhile everyone has forgotten Wade, already

[3ba11]

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Even with the grainy footage, you don't need to be an old-school guy to appreciate a poster over a goat center:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-14-2022/j4_bnN.gif

[Johnny32]

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Even with the grainy footage, you don't need to be an old-school guy to appreciate a poster over a goat center:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-14-2022/j4_bnN.gif

is this supposed to be impressive? hakeem was completely lost and had his back turned.

[TheCorporation]

is this supposed to be impressive? hakeem was completely lost and had his back turned.

+1

MJ stans are getting desperate :lol

[TheMan]

2011

[TheCorporation]

No one cares about 6 cracker jack rings :lol

7,631 is forever

[Johnny32]

Also Babe Ruth and Ali arent forgotten and neither have the best records/most stats, etc.

boxing is the only sport where the athletes aren't noticeably better now. that said ali isn't even the greatest hw ever.

[outofstomach]

No amount of HD quality can make Lebron's ugly game look good.

:lol on god

[outofstomach]

boxing is the only sport where the athletes aren't noticeably better now. that said ali isn't even the greatest hw ever.

you’re just a bad take machine aren’t you?

[Johnny32]

you’re just a bad take machine aren’t you?

too scared to even mention what you disagree with lol.

[Spurs m8]

you’re just a bad take machine aren’t you?

Man, if you don't put Johnny on your ignore list, you'll end up a dumber human

[outofstomach]

Imagine the surprise when the team of statisticians that created PER gathered all.their stats and work only to find the GOAT was...... still...... that black kat... MJ

All these "advanced stats" that have Jordan #1 were created after Jordan retired.

So again, the future will continue to find more stats to make MJ look goat just like the stats invented AFTER he retired like PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, plus-minus or RAPTOR (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif).:applause:

[Johnny32]

Imagine the surprise when the team of statisticians that created PER gathered all.their stats and work only to find the GOAT was...... still...... that black kat... MJ

All these "advanced stats" that have Jordan #1 were created after Jordan retired.

So again, the future will continue to find more stats to make MJ look goat just like the stats invented AFTER he retired like PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, plus-minus or RAPTOR (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif).

lebron has 3 playoff runs (12, 13, 18) with a higher vorp (09 is a tie) than jordan's best postseason.
lebron has 2 playoff runs (09, 18) with a higher per than jordan's best postseason.
lebron has 1 playoff run (09) with a higher bpm than jordan's best postseason.
lebron has 1 playoff run (09) with a higher dbpm than jordan's best postseason .

so lebron's had multiple better playoff runs according to advanced stats. destroys mj in career stats, all nba teams, prime years, etc. you better desperately hang tight to those team achievements.

[FKAri]

Imagine the surprise when the team of statisticians that created PER gathered all.their stats and work only to find the GOAT was...... still...... that black kat... MJ

No shit. Hollinger tweaked PER to make sure MJ would remain #1. It makes no difference either way since offensive statistical production has inflated in the last decade.

[TheGoatest]

+1

MJ stans are getting desperate :lol

Jordan extremists having the audacity to bring up Jordan vs Hakeem highlights...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZN_eHderg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpk_O6TVPsI

:oldlol:

[Johnny32]

lol mj's left is so weak.

[Duderonomy]

Wade is being disrespectful. He shared a coach with Kareem. Riley wouldn't say KAJ isn't a top 5 player. Jordan isn't going anywhere kids know who he is. There isn't a guard who plays above the rim right now that is a Superstar.

[Thenameless]

I agree.

Wilt was the best of the centers.. Kareem just had more longevity

Kareem's best year of 71' was dwarfed by Wilt just a few years earlier

+1

[Johnny32]

Wade is being disrespectful. He shared a coach with Kareem. Riley wouldn't say KAJ isn't a top 5 player. Jordan isn't going anywhere kids know who he is. There isn't a guard who plays above the rim right now that is a Superstar.

he's talking about forgotten in the goat debate not top 5 all time debate.

[Spurs m8]

Wades always lacked a bit of class and awareness

[PP34Deuce]

Really hard to judge. 2 generations after Gen Z could go back to what basketball was or go for the 4 point line.