Mods always delete the best threads - here's 3 of them

[3ba11]

3 in one stroke! WOOT


-RMWG

[AirBonner]

1-9

[SouBeachTalents]

It's sad, when a mother has to speak the words that condemn her own son. But I couldn't allow them to believe that I would commit murder. They'll put him away now, as I should have years ago. He was always bad, and in the end he intended to tell them I killed those girls and that man... as if I could do anything but just sit and stare, like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can't move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit here and be quiet, just in case they do... suspect me. They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly..."

https://c.tenor.com/Uvw01ptxcKgAAAAC/psycho-anthony-perkins.gif

[Spurs m8]

The deletes have been suss the past week or so.

They deleted 2 where Dray&Klay got slayed and obviously reported people slaying him (both his own threads that backfired)

Delete 3ball threads

Allow 4 threads about bron on the same topic.

Allow wheels to flood the forum with crap threads

[3ba11]

3 in one stroke! WOOT


-RMWG


You didn't have to put your signature - everyone knew it was you

Hey do you have that one thread that you deleted a couple years back where I used all stats to show Lebron's inferiority, like his low assist teams, low-assisted rate, lowering of teammate assists, ridiculous time of possession, all-time turnover lead, horrible jumpshooting efficiency and lack of contested jumpshooting - basically making Lebron look like the beginner skill/low IQ physical talent that he is

[Kblaze8855]

At the moment it’s two 3ball, 2 Dray, and one mask the Embiid(something about us being addicted to Lebron). Very few of either 3ball or drays would make it through if any of us happen to be online the moment they are made. All just repeats and fluff nobody needs 35 of at the same time.

[RRR3]

At the moment it’s two 3ball, 2 Dray, and one mask the Embiid(something about us being addicted to Lebron). Very few of either 3ball or drays would make it through if any of us happen to be online the moment they are made. All just repeats and fluff nobody needs 35 of at the same time.
You can could just ban them ffs

[Real Men Wear Green]

You didn't have to put your signature - everyone knew it was you

Hey do you have that one thread that you deleted a couple years back where I used all stats to show Lebron's inferiority, like his low assist teams, low-assisted rate, lowering of teammate assists, ridiculous time of possession, all-time turnover lead, horrible jumpshooting efficiency and lack of contested jumpshooting - basically making Lebron look like the beginner skill/low IQ physical talent that he is

I'm sorry I can't complete the search. I keep on falling asleep after the first few words.

[Kblaze8855]

The Last ban I saw of Dray I think was for two years by rmwg But apparently it was overturned. 3ball I think is the only one of the over the top Lebron obsessed accounts I’ve never banned for more than a month or so(even though he somehow flips that to me having it out for him). 3ball starts sending emails and so on when he’s banned. I guess he’s got nothing else to do. Someone always brings him back. The other one just has too many names. I’ve banned 6-7 at a time. A few I think permanently but there’s an endless well. I’m just not gonna pay that much attention. I’m not tracking it in a little file or anything.


I did that once a few years ago and banned 20 or 30 accounts on both sides at one time and then after we moved servers they were all mysteriously back. My effort level these days peaks at “Nobody needs this again….” deletes.

[RRR3]

The Last ban I saw of Dray I think was for two years by rmwg But apparently it was overturned. 3ball I think is the only one of the over the top Lebron obsessed accounts I’ve never banned for more than a month or so(even though he somehow flips that to me having it out for him). 3ball starts sending emails and so on when he’s banned. I guess he’s got nothing else to do. Someone always brings him back. The other one just has too many names. I’ve banned 6-7 at a time. A few I think permanently but there’s an endless well. I’m just not gonna pay that much attention. I’m not tracking it in a little file or anything.


I did that once a few years ago and banned 20 or 30 accounts on both sides at one time and then after we moved servers they were all mysteriously back. My effort level these days peaks at “Nobody needs this again….” deletes.
:roll: :roll: :roll:


OMG tell me more

[Spurs m8]

I welcome the delete of the same repetitive shit, on either side of the fence tbh

[3ba11]

The Last ban I saw of Dray I think was for two years by rmwg But apparently it was overturned. 3ball I think is the only one of the over the top Lebron obsessed accounts I’ve never banned for more than a month or so(even though he somehow flips that to me having it out for him). 3ball starts sending emails and so on when he’s banned. I guess he’s got nothing else to do. Someone always brings him back. The other one just has too many names. I’ve banned 6-7 at a time. A few I think permanently but there’s an endless well. I’m just not gonna pay that much attention. I’m not tracking it in a little file or anything.


I did that once a few years ago and banned 20 or 30 accounts on both sides at one time and then after we moved servers they were all mysteriously back. My effort level these days peaks at “Nobody needs this again….” deletes.


I've literally never sent an email ever, except one email to get the 3ball account back that you apparently have stolen

So you guys are just liars and USSR mods that delete posts and threads you don't like

[Kblaze8855]

I stole your old name? Well…that’s new content I suppose. Insane. But new content. A step in the right direction.

[RRR3]

I've literally never sent an email ever, except one email to get the 3ball account back that you apparently have stolen

So you guys are just liars and USSR mods that delete posts and threads you don't like
Meltdown :oldlol:

[3ba11]

I stole your old name? Well…that’s new content I suppose. Insane. But new content. A step in the right direction.


So why doesn't the forgotten password link work for 3ball.. 3ball's email doesn't receive the link

And again, you're lying about me emailing you guys - I never have

So you're just people that must lie because you're always on the wrong side of issues.. smh.. sad existence

[highwhey]

I stole your old name? Well…that’s new content I suppose. Insane. But new content. A step in the right direction.

:roll:

[3ba11]

WALL of TEXT.

(cliff notes version by RMWG)

[Real Men Wear Green]

I've literally never sent an email ever, except one email to get the 3ball account back that you apparently have stolen

So you guys are just liars and USSR mods that delete posts and threads you don't like
And yet here you are still posting. And you know why? Because no one else would tolerate your crazy ass. And we wouldn't either except that the owner of this site has decided to make this board a safe space fpr assholes. So you will just have to deal with it until we get sick of moderating a board that tolerates assholes like you.

And you may as well keep it up as you guys are winning. I do almost no moderating just occassionally telling a jackass like you about yourself. But don't worry your message has been delivered. James is a ball-dominant system and doesn't buy organic championships at whole foods blah blah. Shut the **** up.

[3ba11]

WALL of TEXT.

(cliff notes version by RMWG) 21').

[3ba11]

Thread cliffs:




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- Not RMWG

[Real Men Wear Green]

Fixed

Carry on the lies, deleting and changing posts - USSR mods style
You should be put in the gulag, actually.

[Phoenix]

:oldlol:

I had a reply with more effort typed out, but :oldlol: will do.

[RRR3]

Lmfao ok I fully support not banning 3ball if you just edit his posts like this, RMWG. Hilarious stuff.

[3ba11]

Additional cliffs nobody asked for or wants:




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[SouBeachTalents]

And yet here you are still posting. And you know why? Because no one else would tolerate your crazy ass. And we wouldn't either except that the owner of this site has decided to make this board a safe space fpr assholes. So you will just have to deal with it until we get sick of moderating a board that tolerates assholes like you.

And you may as well keep it up as you guys are winning. I do almost no moderating just occassionally telling a jackass like you about yourself. But don't worry your message has been delivered. James is a ball-dominant system and doesn't buy organic championships at whole foods blah blah. Shut the **** up.
:roll:

[3ba11]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScholarlyPastelDunlin-size_restricted.gif


Almost had it.




Gotta be quicker than that.

[3ba11]

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Imagine being as mad as RMWG is about never seeing the goat or being wrong that he furiously deletes posts and threads in anger



https://c.tenor.com/OS1Z-5MbPcUAAAAC/upisnotjump-angry.gif

[Kblaze8855]

I’m gonna let that one stay while I make dinner. Why don’t you call that woman over you once claimed blew you because you managed to get me to respond to you. Whatever can be said of me never let it be said I don’t back up the homie when called on. I’ll write up something to get her going for you later.

[AirBonner]

I’m gonna let that one stay while I make dinner. Why don’t you call that woman over you once claimed blew you because you managed to get me to respond to you. Whatever can be said of me never let it be said I don’t back up the homie when called on. I’ll write up something to get her going for you later.

I knew he didn’t have a wife lol

[TheCorporation]

So why doesn't the forgotten password link work for 3ball.. 3ball's email doesn't receive the link

And again, you're lying about me emailing you guys - I never have

So you're just people that must lie because you're always on the wrong side of issues.. smh.. sad existence

3ball was today years old when he learned about the spam/junk mail folder.

Check again retard.

[MrFonzworth]

I’m gonna let that one stay while I make dinner. Why don’t you call that woman over you once claimed blew you because you managed to get me to respond to you. Whatever can be said of me never let it be said I don’t back up the homie when called on. I’ll write up something to get her going for you later.

:yaohappy: good times

[3ba11]

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ONLY MJ LED HIS TEAM IN PPG FOR EVERY SERIES (15.4 AVERAGE MARGIN OVER 2ND OPTION)


.........................PPG for #1 scorer.......... PPG for #2 scorer.......... Difference


1985 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1985-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bulls-vs-bucks.html):...... Jordan 29.3............... Woolrige 20.5.................. 8.8

1986 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1986-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bulls-vs-celtics.html):...... Jordan 43.7............... Woolrige 21.0................ 22.7

1987 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1987-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bulls-vs-celtics.html):...... Jordan 35.7............... C Oakley 20.0................ 15.7

1988 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1988-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-cavaliers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 45.2............... C Oakley 10.8................ 34.4
1988 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1988-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-pistons.html):...... Jordan 27.4............... C Oakley 12.8................ 14.6

1989 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1989-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bulls-vs-cavaliers.html):...... Jordan 39.8............... S Pippen 15.0................ 25.0
1989 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1989-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-knicks.html):...... Jordan 35.7............... S Pippen 14.8................ 20.9
1989 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1989-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bulls-vs-pistons.html):...... Jordan 29.7............... C Hodges 12.0............... 17.7

1990 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1990-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bucks-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 36.8............... S Pippen 22.5................ 14.3
1990 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1990-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 43.0............... S Pippen 20.8................ 22.2
1990 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1990-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bulls-vs-pistons.html):...... Jordan 32.1............... S Pippen 16.6................ 15.5

1991 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-knicks-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 29.0............... S Pippen 19.7................ 9.3
1991 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 33.4............... S Pippen 23.4................ 10.0
1991 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-eastern-conference-finals-pistons-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 29.8............... S Pippen 22.0................ 7.8
1991 Round 4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-finals-lakers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 31.2............... S Pippen 20.8................ 10.4

1992 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1992-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-heat-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 45.0............... S Pippen 24.0.............. 21.0
1992 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1992-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-knicks-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 31.3............... S Pippen 16.0.............. 15.3
1992 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1992-nba-eastern-conference-finals-cavaliers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 31.7............... S Pippen 19.8.............. 11.9
1992 Round 4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1992-nba-finals-trail-blazers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 35.8............... S Pippen 20.8.............. 15.0

1993 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-hawks-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 34.3............... S Pippen 15.3.............. 19.0
1993 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-cavaliers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 18.3.............. 12.7
1993 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bulls-vs-knicks.html):...... Jordan 32.2............... S Pippen 22.5.............. 9.8
1993 Round 4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-finals-bulls-vs-suns.html):...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 21.2.............. 19.8

1995 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1995-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bulls-vs-hornets.html):...... Jordan 32.3............... T Kukocs 17.3.............. 15.0
1995 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1995-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-magic.html):...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 19.0.............. 12.0

1996 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1996-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-knicks-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 36.0............... S Pippen 15.6.............. 20.4
1996 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1996-nba-eastern-conference-finals-magic-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 29.5............... S Pippen 18.5.............. 11.0
1996 Round 4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1996-nba-finals-supersonics-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 27.3............... S Pippen 15.7.............. 11.6

1997 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bullets-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 37.3............... S Pippen 16.7.............. 20.6
1997 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-hawks-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 26.6............... S Pippen 22.2.............. 4.4
1997 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-eastern-conference-finals-heat-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 30.2............... S Pippen 16.8.............. 17.4
1997 Round 4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-finals-jazz-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 32.3............... S Pippen 20.0.............. 12.3

1998 Round 1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-nets-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 36.3............... S Pippen 18.0.............. 18.3
1998 Round 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-hornets-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 29.6............... S Pippen 17.8.............. 11.8
1998 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-eastern-conference-finals-pacers-vs-bulls.html):...... Jordan 31.7............... S Pippen 16.6.............. 15.1
1998 Round 3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1998-nba-finals-bulls-vs-jazz.html):...... Jordan 33.5............... S Pippen 15.7.............. 17.8
.................................................. ............................................______
.................................................. ........................15.4 average difference



Everyone in history needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for numerous playoff runs and Finals, so they didn't always face maximum defensive attention - any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who always faced maximum defensive attention by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run.

[3ba11]

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1.) In 2010, Lebron asked: "Aside from me, who has the highest PER in the land??

And he teamed up with that guy.

Wade had the #2 PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48 - that's like Magic teaming up with Bird, or Kobe with Tmac.. aka UNPRECEDENTED.

Then he added another top 5 PER (Bosh) to make sure his super-team would always make the Finals in a conference that Dwight, Kidd and Iverson won by themselves - that's the definition of stacking the deck.


2.) Everyone conflates Lebron's physical talent with IQ

How can a player have high basketball IQ if he has a 20-year career of bad teammate fits and ceding the best strategy/brand of ball, best offenses, and best teams to other players and teams??

It's literally impossible because everyone ELSE had the best brand of ball, best offenses and best teams on his watch.

He simply amassed enough talent to win (team-hopping) and never learned HOW to win (organic).

Specifically, Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he couldn't learn how to WIN (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).


3.) Lebron had 35 on 70% last night but loses more than less stacked teams because

he takes too long to get elite stats - his production per hold-time is low compared to other wings or frontcourt players:



Hold-Time ("time of possession")


Lebron..... 6.2 minutes

Giannis.... 4.6 minutes

Durant...... 4.2 minutes

Jokic........ 4.1 minutes

Booker...... 3.6 minutes


The gap between Lebron and other wings is the time those teams can employ superior strategy (move the ball).

Ball movement wears down defenses more than ball-dominance, so worn-out opponents have less capacity to go off offensively (win the battle of attrition)..

The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.

Otoh, defenses get tons of rest against ball-dominance, so they routinely go off offensively on ball-dominators like 90 or 91' Magic without Kareem (blown away by KJ & MJ), or Lebron many years (09', 11', 14', 17', 18', 21').

[3ba11]

I’m gonna let that one stay while I make dinner. Why don’t you call that woman over you once claimed blew you because you managed to get me to respond to you. Whatever can be said of me never let it be said I don’t back up the homie when called on. I’ll write up something to get her going for you later.


You guys are the kids/students and I'm the adult/teacher, with you guys erasing stuff I write on the blackboard when my back is turned..

tsk tsk .. :no:.. you better stop or I'll send you to the principal's office.

[SATAN]

What a lame :facepalm

[3ba11]

What a lame :facepalm


Says the 5'5" guy GED bum that never went anywhere near a basketball or money in his life

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[3ba11]

:facepalm


Keep pretending loser

Anyone can tell you're uneducated

[SATAN]

Look how mad this guy is :oldlol:

Seek help, ****head.

[3ba11]

Look how mad this guy is :oldlol:

Seek help, ****head.


Haha you mad bum?

[Proctor]

3ba11 isn't the real 3ball.

Only the smart ones know this

[warriorfan]

Bron stans absolutely fuming itt

:roll:

[SATAN]

3ba11 isn't the real 3ball.

Only the smart ones know this

It seemed obvious a while back. Doesn't type the same. More careless with words and punctuation. No doubt is behind the shitty KL alts.

[3ba11]

It seemed obvious a while back. Doesn't type the same. More careless with words and punctuation. No doubt is behind the shitty KL alts.


It's the same 3ball and I will make a channel soon so the facts can be uncensored because YouTube doesn't care about hoops, only Covid and Biden.. 100 videos will be released on the first day

[Proctor]

It's the same 3ball and I will make a channel soon so the facts can be uncensored because YouTube doesn't care about hoops, only Covid and Biden.. 100 videos will be released on the first day
Shut up, Simon...I have undeniable proof it's not the same...don't make me use it. I'll keep your secret since you're a quality distraction for some of the rats around here

[TheCorporation]

3ba11 isn't the real 3ball.

Only the smart ones know this

False.

But you are Mr. Fonzworth.

[Proctor]

False.

But you are Mr. Fonzworth.
:whatever:

Wanna bet?

[TheCorporation]

:whatever:

Wanna bet?

Yes. May I bet you?

[warriorfan]

:whatever:

Wanna bet?

:roll:

They fuming

[Hey Yo]

Jeff Green with 5 dunks tonight... still shitting on Proctor 5yrs later.

[3ba11]

Jeff Green with 5 dunks tonight... still shitting on Proctor 5yrs later.


Green = Pippen without Jordan

so I opted to watch pure scoring at it's best (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_0u-uUt6z0&t=02m34s) instead.

[RRR3]

Green = Pippen without Jordan

so I opted to watch pure scoring at it's best (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_0u-uUt6z0&t=02m34s) instead.
Pippen was 3rd in MVP without Jordan when did Jeff Green come close to that?

[Phoenix]

3ba11 isn't the real 3ball.

Only the smart ones know this

https://gifburg.com/images/gifs/shocked/gifs/0009.gif

[3ba11]

Pippen was 3rd in MVP without Jordan when did Jeff Green come close to that?


Rookie Jeff Green didn't land next to the goat scorer and DPOY to light that fire as a 2-way player

And btw, by "2-way player", we mean below Horry-level in the Finals 6/6 times.. So we're being pretty generous calling Pippen a "2-way player" outside of 91' and 92'

Someone laughed when I said that Dumas was an elite talent, but he averaged 16 on 57% in the Finals, which is pippen-caliber - any elite athlete that gets that range of stats is pippen-caliber (not that great)

One more thing - MVP is usually based largely on the surprise factor, which explains winners like Rose or Pippen's cousin (westbrook)

[hateraid]

I’m gonna let that one stay while I make dinner. Why don’t you call that woman over you once claimed blew you because you managed to get me to respond to you. Whatever can be said of me never let it be said I don’t back up the homie when called on. I’ll write up something to get her going for you later.

I'm actually kind of curious. Jeff get me back into mod emails. Could be fun

[Axe]

I'm actually kind of curious. Jeff get me back into mod emails. Could be fun
This. There's a special guest waiting. :rolleyes:

[3ba11]

Pippen was 3rd in MVP without Jordan when did Jeff Green come close to that?


Pippen wasn't a sure thing like Robinson, Shaq, Kidd, Coleman or even Bosh.

He was a scrawny, 8 ppg rookie that needed a TON of development

So he was one of the many raw talents on the borderline that were competing for one of the coveted star spots - these guys can't lose precious development years being injured or regressing in a bad system while others are developing, or they'll fall back to the pack and certainly miss out on one of the few star spots..

Kuzma appeared initially to be one of those guys - a borderline raw talent that lost a few years in Lebron-ball and now had fallen back to the pack.. But he's recovered nicely like Ingram did - both guys experienced 1-year drops across the board alongside Lebron (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP).

otoh, Jordan's more versatlie on-ball/off-ball game fit with all players types, so Pippen grew by leaps and bounds every year.. So he landed in the perfect spot alongside the goat scorer, DPOY, and clutch winner, aka the luckiest player in the history of the sport.

[MrFonzworth]

False.

But you are Mr. Fonzworth.

Weirdo can't stop thinking about me:yaohappy:

[Johnny32]

Rookie Jeff Green didn't land next to the goat scorer and DPOY to light that fire as a 2-way player

And btw, by "2-way player", we mean below Horry-level in the Finals 6/6 times.. So we're being pretty generous calling Pippen a "2-way player" outside of 91' and 92'

Someone laughed when I said that Dumas was an elite talent, but he averaged 16 on 57% in the Finals, which is pippen-caliber - any elite athlete that gets that range of stats is pippen-caliber (not that great)

One more thing - MVP is usually based largely on the surprise factor, which explains winners like Rose or Pippen's cousin (westbrook)

the "surprise" in 94 was how little jordan impacts wins and losses, eh?