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expansionera
01-14-2022, 08:48 AM
"I don't know what position Scottie was; he was just a basketball player. He could dribble, shoot, pass and rebound. Defensively, he was excellent. He had quick hands and quick feet with a great understanding of the game. He could do it all."--B.J. Armstrong

"The subtle things he did so well--defensively helping his teammates, recovering out to guys offensively, making plays being unselfish--those are things that teammates always recognize and noticed. You always felt like Scottie had your back. If you made a mistake somewhere on the floor, he was going to try and cover up for you."--John Paxson

"If I had a vote in that first championship for MVP it would have been Scottie. He brought his whole game and everyone could see. The way he played Magic and made him turn and turn and turn and made him work like that was the difference, especially after we lost the first game."--Horace Grant

"He sets the tempo defensively for us. He can disrupt anybody's offense because he can play anybody from the point guard to the five position."--Michael Jordan[/B]

"I know Michael's the best player, but Pippen was the best player on that team."--Chuck Daly on the 1992 Dream Team

"Michael returned from the games raving about Scottie's performance. Before the summer, Michael had regarded Pippen as the most talented member of his supporting cast. But after watching him outplay Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler and other future Hall of Famers in Barcelona, Michael realized that Scottie was the best all-around player on what many consider the best basketball team ever assembled. Scottie, Michael had to admit, had even outshone him in several of the games."--Phil Jackson

"He's the best athlete all-around to ever play in the NBA. Tell me somebody who can do what he could do for 48 minutes on the basketball court. He was the best all-around. He could play three positions, four positions, rebound, assists, steals..."--Charles Oakley

"He's the best defender I've ever seen. I put him in a class with Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief and certainly Jordan. But they're different. Jordan, at his position, may have been as good as there ever was. But Scottie could guard more positions than Michael. Scottie can handle more sizes."--Mike Dunleavy

"It's like Scottie Pippen--when you played the Bulls, you were praying that, 'I hope he guards the other guy tonight.' Because Pippen was one of those guys that could guard the 1, 2 or 3. And you were hoping, 'Okay, I hope he guards the other guy.' I mean how rare is it that you want Michael to guard you?"--Doc Rivers

"It's amazing to see how good Scottie is. The guy shot 1-for-9 and scored four points and totally dominated the game. That's what makes him one of the greatest players ever. He doesn't have to score a point and he can control the whole game."--Steve Kerr

"Let me have Scottie. See how I do then."--Clyde Drexler to Michael Jordan

"He was one of the best. He and Michael Cooper gave me the most problems."--Larry Bird


"There are certain things that Pippen does for that team that Michael doesn't do. Definitely defensively. I think offensively he's always conscious of getting the other guys involved. Not to take anything away from Michael, but I think Scottie is just more cognizant of the total package, and that makes them complement each other real well."--Julius Erving


"What Scottie represented to me is a player whom I would pick first for my team every time. Even if Michael was available, I would pick Scottie Pippen."--Bill Wennington


"Jordan always felt Pippen was something special. Michael realized how easy it was to play with him and how he helped make his teammates better. It's often said Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan. I'm not sure Jordan didn't need Pippen more than Pippen needed Jordan."--Tex Winter


"Scottie was our team leader. He was the guy that directed our offense and he was the guy that took on a lot of big challenges defensively...the year that Michael retired, Scottie I think was the most valuable player in the league. He was probably the player most liked by others. He mingled. He brought out the best in players and communicated the best."--Phil Jackson


Tl; dr No Pip

Johnny32
01-14-2022, 08:54 AM
someone's going to hyperventilate when they see this.

Full Court
01-14-2022, 10:22 AM
Why is OP still obsessed with Jordan 20 years after he retired?

Why did OP's mom smoke crack while she was pregnant?

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?

expansionera
01-14-2022, 10:31 AM
Meltdown m8 :mad:

Anyone? Does anyone know why all of Jordan’s Hall of Fame coaches, teammates and rivals consider Pippen to be more valuable than Jordan?



“Kevin,” he said to me, “you just took on Scottie Pippen. Scottie’s the best player in the league. Boy, you could play in the league right now.” -Zeke Thomas

Full Court
01-14-2022, 10:32 AM
Anyone? Does anyone know why all of Jordan’s Hall of Fame coaches, teammates and rivals consider Pippen to be more valuable than Jordan?



“Kevin,” he said to me, “you just took on Scottie Pippen. Scottie’s the best player in the league. Boy, you could play in the league right now.” -Zeke Thomas

Why is OP still obsessed with Jordan 20 years after he retired?

Why did OP's mom smoke crack while she was pregnant?

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?

AlternativeAcc.
01-14-2022, 10:34 AM
Great thread!

I've always held onto the notion that pippen was better than Jordan. It's certainly a good debate.

Watching Pippen dominate on the 1992 dream team was on of my favorite experiences as a sports fan. I was in my young 20's at the time... man... good times... I just remember Pippen being the best. He was always my favorite player and I always appreciated that what he did went way beyond stats. I would always argue with my friends that pippen was better. Turns out I was right

Airupthere
01-14-2022, 10:59 AM
Lol at the idea that Pippen would have gotten 6/6 with someone else other than Jordan. Young Pip playing with Lebron would turn out to be like Kuzma, untapped potential.

Ne 1
01-14-2022, 11:01 AM
It’s simple to quote mine and form conjectures. Either way, even if the quotes do hold merit, ultimately it’s just an appeal to authority. For all the great things that have been said about Pippen from players and coaches and rightfully so, you just as easily pull up something like this for example. In 1997, the Bulls lost a game to the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden. After the game, Larry Johnson, who guarded Scottie Pippen really well, took a shot at his role in the team.

''He needs to shut his mouth now. All he needs to do is to give the ball to 23. That's his best play right there. 'Here, 23. Bail us out.' He needs to shut his mouth. He's a bum. He shut himself down. Mike gives all them boys guts over there. If it wasn't for Mike...” ''He's got a bad dude over there, and that's it,'' Johnson said. ''You've all seen the last four or five minutes of the game. 'Here you go, 23. Here you go, 23.' ''

expansionera
01-14-2022, 11:02 AM
Lol at the idea that Pippen would have gotten 6/6 with someone else other than Jordan. Young Pip playing with Lebron would turn out to be like Kuzma, untapped potential.

Scottie Pippen has made more All NBA first teams than D Wade, 8 all defensive first teams to Wade’s zero, and is a superior playmaker and floor spacer. My question is how much would LeBron score if he got to take possessions off on defense because he had the greatest perimeter defender of all time to pick up the slack and easy buckets due to Pippen’s gravity/playmaking?

AlternativeAcc.
01-14-2022, 11:05 AM
Lol at the idea that Pippen would have gotten 6/6 with someone else other than Jordan. Young Pip playing with Lebron would turn out to be like Kuzma, untapped potential.

Lol at the idea that Jordan would have ANY success whatsoever without pippen. 1-9 you blasphemous fool!

expansionera
01-14-2022, 11:06 AM
It’s simple to quote mine and form conjectures. Either way, even if the quotes do hold merit, ultimately it’s just an appeal to authority. For all the great things that have been said about Pippen from players and coaches and rightfully so, you just as easily pull up something like this for example. In 1997, the Bulls lost a game to the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden. After the game, Larry Johnson, who guarded Scottie Pippen really well, took a shot at his role in the team.

''He needs to shut his mouth now. All he needs to do is to give the ball to 23. That's his best play right there. 'Here, 23. Bail us out.' He needs to shut his mouth. He's a bum. He shut himself down. Mike gives all them boys guts over there. If it wasn't for Mike...” ''He's got a bad dude over there, and that's it,'' Johnson said. ''You've all seen the last four or five minutes of the game. 'Here you go, 23. Here you go, 23.' ''

I’ll take Larry Bird’s opinion on the situation over Larry Johnson’s, a guy like that doesn’t understand what it takes to win an NBA championship and arguably only made the Finals due to Pippen missing his second best player (no one would blame Lebron for losing in 2015 for instance without help). Phil Jackson, Bird, Chuck Daly, Dr J amongst others have far more championship experience and see the game at a higher level than yourself or Johnson and can better articulate beyond ghetto trash talk the impact Pippen has on the game aside from PPG.

Full Court
01-14-2022, 11:41 AM
Lol at the idea that Jordan would have ANY success whatsoever without pippen. 1-9 you blasphemous fool!

Having a terrible supporting cast is only an excuse for Lebum. Not for Jordan.

FireDavidKahn
01-14-2022, 12:29 PM
MJ fans be fuming.

https://c.tenor.com/sys3weVzjJMAAAAM/wow-kevin-garnett.gif

TheCorporation
01-14-2022, 12:39 PM
"I don't know what position Scottie was; he was just a basketball player. He could dribble, shoot, pass and rebound. Defensively, he was excellent. He had quick hands and quick feet with a great understanding of the game. He could do it all."--B.J. Armstrong

"The subtle things he did so well--defensively helping his teammates, recovering out to guys offensively, making plays being unselfish--those are things that teammates always recognize and noticed. You always felt like Scottie had your back. If you made a mistake somewhere on the floor, he was going to try and cover up for you."--John Paxson

"If I had a vote in that first championship for MVP it would have been Scottie. He brought his whole game and everyone could see. The way he played Magic and made him turn and turn and turn and made him work like that was the difference, especially after we lost the first game."--Horace Grant

"He sets the tempo defensively for us. He can disrupt anybody's offense because he can play anybody from the point guard to the five position."--Michael Jordan[/B]

"I know Michael's the best player, but Pippen was the best player on that team."--Chuck Daly on the 1992 Dream Team

"Michael returned from the games raving about Scottie's performance. Before the summer, Michael had regarded Pippen as the most talented member of his supporting cast. But after watching him outplay Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler and other future Hall of Famers in Barcelona, Michael realized that Scottie was the best all-around player on what many consider the best basketball team ever assembled. Scottie, Michael had to admit, had even outshone him in several of the games."--Phil Jackson

"He's the best athlete all-around to ever play in the NBA. Tell me somebody who can do what he could do for 48 minutes on the basketball court. He was the best all-around. He could play three positions, four positions, rebound, assists, steals..."--Charles Oakley

"He's the best defender I've ever seen. I put him in a class with Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief and certainly Jordan. But they're different. Jordan, at his position, may have been as good as there ever was. But Scottie could guard more positions than Michael. Scottie can handle more sizes."--Mike Dunleavy

"It's like Scottie Pippen--when you played the Bulls, you were praying that, 'I hope he guards the other guy tonight.' Because Pippen was one of those guys that could guard the 1, 2 or 3. And you were hoping, 'Okay, I hope he guards the other guy.' I mean how rare is it that you want Michael to guard you?"--Doc Rivers

"It's amazing to see how good Scottie is. The guy shot 1-for-9 and scored four points and totally dominated the game. That's what makes him one of the greatest players ever. He doesn't have to score a point and he can control the whole game."--Steve Kerr

"Let me have Scottie. See how I do then."--Clyde Drexler to Michael Jordan

"He was one of the best. He and Michael Cooper gave me the most problems."--Larry Bird


"There are certain things that Pippen does for that team that Michael doesn't do. Definitely defensively. I think offensively he's always conscious of getting the other guys involved. Not to take anything away from Michael, but I think Scottie is just more cognizant of the total package, and that makes them complement each other real well."--Julius Erving


"What Scottie represented to me is a player whom I would pick first for my team every time. Even if Michael was available, I would pick Scottie Pippen."--Bill Wennington


"Jordan always felt Pippen was something special. Michael realized how easy it was to play with him and how he helped make his teammates better. It's often said Jordan needed Pippen and Pippen needed Jordan. I'm not sure Jordan didn't need Pippen more than Pippen needed Jordan."--Tex Winter


"Scottie was our team leader. He was the guy that directed our offense and he was the guy that took on a lot of big challenges defensively...the year that Michael retired, Scottie I think was the most valuable player in the league. He was probably the player most liked by others. He mingled. He brought out the best in players and communicated the best."--Phil Jackson


Tl; dr No Pip

No chip

:pimp:

Airupthere
01-14-2022, 02:11 PM
No chip

:pimp:

In 2011, no there wasn't a chip

Spurs m8
01-14-2022, 02:14 PM
Why is OP still obsessed with Jordan 20 years after he retired?

Why did OP's mom smoke crack while she was pregnant?

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?

The fact he's so obsessed, so long after his retirement, says everything we need to know.

I actually picture his mom as a normal woman, she just raised a basement dwelling sad case.

Either that, or Brons team is paying him.

expansionera
01-14-2022, 02:44 PM
The fact he's so obsessed, so long after his retirement, says everything we need to know.

I actually picture his mom as a normal woman, she just raised a basement dwelling sad case.

Either that, or Brons team is paying him.

Anyone? Can anyone answer why Jordan’s championship teammates, coaches, and rivals believe Scottie Pippen to be the more valuable pro?

TheCorporation
01-14-2022, 02:46 PM
Anyone? Can anyone answer why Jordan’s championship teammates, coaches, and rivals believe Scottie Pippen to be the more valuable pro?

They're too scared to speak up. They know better. Another W for LeFam