Luka taking back the top guard spot from Ja right now

[HunterSThompson]

https://i.ibb.co/g6tSPvn/jesse-lee-peterson-soundboard-image.png

"duh greats white hope is bach"

[Hey Yo]

Luka came out on fire to start the 4th

[HunterSThompson]

https://youtu.be/YF-I2shM2ec

luka needs to play more loose like this all the time

[Hey Yo]

Amazed and blinded by science

[Mask the Embiid]

Imagine thinking ja is the standard bearer at PG :oldlol:… you have a year on him in the league, he should outplay him…Do it to trae…do it to cp3 do it to Lebron… matter fact fk all that…. Beat kawhi once in the playoffs you overhyped…. I’m just going to leave this thread

[ShawkFactory]

Bonds > Griffey

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Harden, luka, curry, LeBron

All the best point guards in this era eliminated by kawhi. Oh and Chris Paul as well in 2015 if grandpa Duncan could of jumped over a phone book and block his game winner

[Hey Yo]

Eye test..... best pass I've ever seen.

[HunterSThompson]

Bonds > Griffey

griffey won the all century player of the decade award for the 90s. then bonds took roids

the end

[RRR3]

Luka has been shit this year.

[ShawkFactory]

griffey won the all century player of the decade award for the 90s. then bonds took roids

the end

Media awards matter now?

[HunterSThompson]

Media awards matter now?

it was a fan vote not a media agenda. and it was before bonds steroid scandal

and if you think people were biased against bonds. at the time he had 3 league mvps to griffeys 1. if anything they were snubbing griffey cause almost every time he lost mvp he had a better WAR than the guy that won it. voters didn't care about the value of defense at the time

[ShawkFactory]

it was a fan vote not a media agenda. and it was before bonds steroid scandal

and if you think people were biased against bonds. at the time he had 3 league mvps to griffeys 1. if anything they were snubbing griffey cause almost every time he lost mvp he had a better WAR than the guy that won it. voters didn't care about the value of defense at the time

Wonder why fans voted for the charming guy with his hat backwards vs the quiet and uptight asshole..

But yea I’ll give you defense. For whatever reason Bonds had a weak arm, which is really strange. His defensive capabilities were huge but he just didn’t have the arm for center field.

And Griffey is one of the best (not THE best as we’ve already discussed) defensive center fielders of the era. I WILL give that to you.

Bonds was far superior at the plate and on the bases. Which more than makes up for the defensive gap.

[HunterSThompson]

Wonder why fans voted for the charming guy with his hat backwards vs the quiet and uptight asshole..

But yea I’ll give you defense. For whatever reason Bonds had a weak arm, which is really strange. His defensive capabilities were huge but he just didn’t have the arm for center field.

And Griffey is one of the best (not THE best as we’ve already discussed) defensive center fielders of the era. I WILL give that to you.

Bonds was far superior at the plate and on the bases. Which more than makes up for the defensive gap.

bonds 162 game average 1986 to 1999 (pre steroids)

.288 average, .968 ops, 36hr, 105rbi, 104 runs

Griffey 162 game average 1989 to 1999

.299 average, .948ops, 42hr, 122rbi, 113 runs


so bonds wasn't "far superior at the plate"

and I don't care about his stolen bases giving him some analytical boost. at most you could say bonds was faster


and when you factor in griffey being one of the top 5 defensive players ever its actually more likely that griffey was "far superior" as a baseball player