3ball explain why MJ's scoring and FG% dropped against the Bad boys in the playoffs.

[coastalmarker99]

3ball never mentions when he hates on Pippen for being the main reason that the Bulls couldn't beat the Pistons.


That MJ's scoring and FG% efficiency dropped overall in his four straight playoff series against the "Bad Boys" from '88 thru '91.


In fact, if you exclude their '91 series H2H, when the Pistons were obviously at the end of the road...here were his numbers in the regular season, and then playoff series against Detroit:

'88 regular season: 35.0 ppg on a .53.5 FG%.

'88 series against Detroit: 27.4 ppg on a .49.1 FG%

'89 regular season: 32.5 ppg on a .53.8 FG%.

'89 series against Detroit: 29.7 ppg on a .46.0 FG%.

'90 regular season: 33.6 ppg on a .52.6 FG%

'90 series against Detroit: 32.1 ppg on a .46.7 FG%.

[Spurs m8]

Lol please explain why he was scoring around 30ppg on nearly 50% against dudes going full violent on him.

For a series, not a game.

At a slower pace than today's game and no 3 jacking.

Hahahahahahahahaha right.

The GOAT lives on

[coastalmarker99]

Lol please explain why he was scoring around 30ppg on nearly 50% against dudes going full violent on him.

For a series, not a game.

At a slower pace than today's game and no 3 jacking.

Hahahahahahahahaha right.

The GOAT lives on

If 3ball judges Lebron for losing despite regularly putting historic numbers up against the Warriors then Jordan also deserves the same criticism.


Here are Lebron Averages from the 2015-18 Finals:

33 PPG on 48 FG% & 34.9 3PT% - 11.5 Reb - 9.3 Ast - 1.7 Stl - 1.3 Blk (22 Games)



2015: (6 Games)

35.8 PPG on 39.8 FG% & 31 3PT% - 13.3 Reb - 8.8 Ast - 1.3 Stl - 0.5 Blk

2016: (7 Games)

29.7 PPG on 49.4 FG% & 37.1 3PT% - 11.3 Reb - 8.9 Ast - 2.6 Stl - 2.3 Blk

2017: (5 Games)

33.6 PPG on 56.4 FG% & 38.7 3PT% - 12 Reb - 10 Ast - 1.4 Stl - 1 Blk

2018: (4 Games)

34 PPG on 52.7 FG% & 33.3 3PT% - 8.5 Reb - 10 Ast - 1.3 Stl - 1 Blk



Lebron stepped up his production from the regular season against the Warriors in the finals while Jordan's dropped against the Bad boys yet 3ball never mentions that

[Spurs m8]

If 3ball judges Lebron for losing despite regularly putting historic numbers up against the Warriors then Jordan also deserves the same criticism.


Here are Lebron Averages from the 2015-18 Finals:

33 PPG on 48 FG% & 34.9 3PT% - 11.5 Reb - 9.3 Ast - 1.7 Stl - 1.3 Blk (22 Games)



2015: (6 Games)

35.8 PPG on 39.8 FG% & 31 3PT% - 13.3 Reb - 8.8 Ast - 1.3 Stl - 0.5 Blk

2016: (7 Games)

29.7 PPG on 49.4 FG% & 37.1 3PT% - 11.3 Reb - 8.9 Ast - 2.6 Stl - 2.3 Blk

2017: (5 Games)

33.6 PPG on 56.4 FG% & 38.7 3PT% - 12 Reb - 10 Ast - 1.4 Stl - 1 Blk

2018: (4 Games)

34 PPG on 52.7 FG% & 33.3 3PT% - 8.5 Reb - 10 Ast - 1.3 Stl - 1 Blk



Lebron stepped up his production from the regular season against the Warriors in the finals while Jordan's dropped against the Bad boys yet 3ball never mentions that

Jordan well and truly proved himself after this 'blemish'

LeBarry has just kept restacking the deck and taking asterisk rings.
And even then, he STILL falls short.

But rings aside, LeBarrys peak never reached MJs or close, but we can talk about him being top 10

[SATAN]

Lol please explain why he was scoring around 30ppg on nearly 50% against dudes going full violent on him.

For a series, not a game.


Yeah man they totally kicked his ass, almost killed him.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

[TheGoatest]

At least LeBron beat his Pistons mid-peak 73-9 form, straight up. While leading the series in every category. Those Pistons beat Jordan over and over and over again. He only beat them once they became completely washed (lost to Knicks in 1st round following season, missed playoffs completely 2 seasons later).

I know that comparing the mid 2010s Warriors to the late 80s Pistons isn't really fair, as the 73-9 Warriors were clearly better than those Pistons.

[expansionera]

Yeah man they totally kicked his ass, almost killed him.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

Never forget Jordan had to beg Stern to change the rules to get past the Pistons, so much for so called physical 90s basketball :rolleyes:

[3ba11]

MJ's competitive rage hurt his strategy decision-making.

Specifically, MJ knew the Pistons were trying to hurt him, and he wanted to prove that he could overcome it - so he OVER-attacked the basket... He relentlessly attacked a sea of defenders and fell right into their hands..

His rim attack also lacked strategy - he would predictably call for the ball immediately (teammates would look to find him immediately upon crossing halfcourt) - he predictably sought to end possessions as soon as possible, rather than wearing the defense down and scoring more strategically later in the shot clock.

A decent system (triangle) fixed these issues because he had to shoot more jumpers to fit into the offense and with teammates, so he wasn't predictably and blindly attacking the rim.. The triangle also moved the ball and wore the defense down before scoring, which added a strategic layer to MJ's goat scoring

This was all part of the organic learning curve that MJ climbed to learn how to win (organic).. Players that have climbed the organic learning curve (learned how to win via strategy/chemistry) are superior to guys that just team-hopped (talent-based winning).

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol please explain why he was scoring around 30ppg on nearly 50% against dudes going full violent on him.

For a series, not a game.

At a slower pace than today's game and no 3 jacking.

Hahahahahahahahaha right.

The GOAT lives on


nearly 50%?

Its not even 47% mate

Hahahahahahahahahaha?

[Hey Yo]

nearly 50%?

Its not even 47% mate

Hahahahahahahahahaha?

He's a retard who never watched 1min. of the series' with Detroit.

[3ba11]

nearly 50%?

Its not even 47% mate

Hahahahahahahahahaha?


91-98' MJ would've beaten Detroit every year regardless of cast because Jordan had learned to beat teams with his jumper by then, thus nullifying the Pistons' physical advantage

It's interesting because Jordan almost fell into the trap of attacking the rim too much against the 93' Knicks, but figured it out in Game 4 (54 on all jumpers).. He fell into the trap against Payton (trying to post him too much) rather than just shoot over him, but that was garbage time so it didn't matter.

[expansionera]

91-98' MJ would've beaten Detroit every year regardless of cast because Jordan had learned to beat teams with his jumper by then, thus nullifying the Pistons' physical advantage

What year did Isaiah Thomas retire and which year did Pippen first beat the Pistons?

[3ba11]

What year did Isaiah Thomas retire and which year did Pippen first beat the Pistons?


93' and 90'

aside from the migraine

[SouBeachTalents]

91-98' MJ would've beaten Detroit every year regardless of cast because Jordan had learned to beat teams with his jumper by then, thus nullifying the Pistons' physical advantage

It's interesting because Jordan almost fell into the trap of attacking the rim too much against the 93' Knicks, but figured it out in Game 4 (54 on all jumpers).. He fell into the trap against Payton (trying to post him too much) rather than just shoot over him, but that was garbage time so it didn't matter.
Yes, Game 6 of the Finals, where Jordan went 5/19 with 5 turnovers, is often considered garbage time.

[3ba11]

Yes, Game 6 of the Finals, where Jordan went 5/19 with 5 turnovers, is often considered garbage time.


MJ held his defensive assignment (Hawkins) to 12 points below his normal average, which was the same margin the Bulls won by (everyone else let their man go off).

So Jordan carried the defense, while also leading in scoring and assists - so even in Jordan's worst games, he still carried the team

You should be aware that Pippen's peak capability was 15-21 ppg in the Finals, with worst-ever efficiency - so Jordan had to be the dominator in every series