Andrew Wiggins is showing us how Pippen made all-star teams and All-NBA

[3ba11]

coattailing a winner - inflated by the winning spotlight - exactly like Klay actually (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501020-Klay-Thompson-vs-Jeff-Hornacek-career-statistical-comparison)

[Chuckbe]

Wiggins is actually good now

[3ba11]

Wiggins is actually good now


You mean like Klay was good?


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts


Wiggins is getting carried just like Klay was.

Wiggins simply looks better in a winning system just like Pippen, who was literally aids without the triangle.

[ShawkFactory]

Wiggins won’t be close to an all star let alone all NBA..

[SouBeachTalents]

OP literally has aids

[3ba11]

Wiggins won’t be close to an all star let alone all NBA..


You can't knock me for weak threads now that the mods delete 50% of my threads over the last 2 weeks.. :lol:

They deleted a good one earlier today where I pointed out how Lebron and his fans complain about "Finals comp" when their preaseason favorite falls to Finals underdog or loser from 2011-2016, aka weaponizing losing

[ShawkFactory]

You can't knock me for weak threads now that the mods delete 50% of my threads over the last 2 weeks.. :lol:

They deleted a good one earlier today where I pointed out how Lebron and his fans complain about "Finals comp" when their preaseason favorite falls to Finals underdog or loser from 2011-2016.. That's clearly fraudulent, so the mods deleted it - they've been deleting any direct, objective proof that he's a fraud.

Sure I can.

[3ba11]

Sure I can.


That's true because you're the kind of person that cries "b-b-but Finals comp!!" after watching your team fall from super-team preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16')... aka weaponizing losing and having weaker teams than expected, aka low character and integrity.. carry on

[ShawkFactory]

That's true because you're the kind of person that cries "b-b-but Finals comp!!" after watching your team fall from super-team preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16')... aka weaponizing losing and having weaker teams than expected, aka low character and integrity.. carry on

You’re trying way too hard. Dial it back.

[3ba11]

You’re trying way too hard. Dial it back.


It's a basketball forum - talk basketball or log off.. definitely don't try to look cool

it's okay to point out that the Finals comp argument weaponizes losing and having weaker teams than expected specifically for teams that started out as the favorite (Lebron's teams from 11-16')

[ShawkFactory]

It's a basketball forum - talk basketball or log off.. definitely don't try to look cool

it's okay to point out that the Finals comp argument weaponizes losing and having weaker teams than expected specifically for teams that started out as the favorite (Lebron's teams from 11-16')

I just call it like I see it :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

I just call it like I see it :confusedshrug:


you derail internet threads in your free time... sounds like a low character person that has nothing material to occupy his brain

[1987_Lakers]

OP wakes up everyday crying he made that Oubre/Klay thread instead of Wiggins/Klay.

[ShawkFactory]

you derail internet threads in your free time... sounds like a low character person that has nothing material to occupy his brain

So do you.

Literally derailed your own thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

So do you.
:roll:

He's probably derailed more threads than anybody on the forum

[3ba11]

So do you.

Literally derailed your own thread.


I didn't derail - you've used the Finals comp argument before without realizing that you're weaponizing losing and having weaker teams than expected (yielding Finals underdogs with preseason favorites)

[ShawkFactory]

I didn't derail - you've used the Finals comp argument before without realizing that you're weaponizing losing and having weaker teams than expected (yielding Finals underdogs with preseason favorites)

Your thread was about Andrew Wiggins. My first post was about Andrew Wiggins.

You then brought up Lebron and finals comp. I.e. derail

[1987_Lakers]

Your thread was about Andrew Wiggins. My first post was about Andrew Wiggins.

You then brought up Lebron and finals comp. I.e. derail

:lol

[expansionera]

Pippen and Worthy showed MJ how to win playoff games

[JohnMax]

Why do you hate Pippen? We know it's not basketball reason because no one hates a mediocre player that's been retired for 20 years.

[Phoenix]

you derail internet threads in your free time... sounds like a low character person that has nothing material to occupy his brain

Compared to you who wakes up every morning wondering how you can headline a new topic to bash Pippen/Lebron and suck off Jordan? You're the flipside of the Lebron nutcases but most of them don't pretend like they're being something else.

[3ba11]

Why do you hate Pippen? We know it's not basketball reason because no one hates a mediocre player that's been retired for 20 years.


I hate Pippen because he's literally the most overrated player in history - he's Jeff Green that was just lucky to learn from the goat

[NBAGOAT]

you guys gotta consider just leaving the forum lol, I had enough at a certain point. As for the premise of the thread, wiggins is quite good now but still has 0 chance at being an all star so your point falls flat. Also wiggins is the 3rd-4th best player on gs, klay was too actually during his prime. Pippen was the 2nd best player on the bulls, even you'll admit that so there's a difference there.

[3ba11]

you guys gotta consider just leaving the forum lol, I had enough at a certain point. As for the premise of the thread, wiggins is quite good now but still has 0 chance at being an all star so your point falls flat. Also wiggins is the 3rd-4th best player on gs, klay was too actually during his prime. Pippen was the 2nd best player on the bulls, even you'll admit that so there's a difference there.


The Bulls are the only team that won more than 2 titles without a sidekick getting FMVP or 25 ppg.. aka some guys have 1 or 2 titles with a low-producing sidekick, but MJ has 6.

Pippen averaged 17.6 on 40% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs, including 2 Finals of 15 on 40% and 19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals.. He never got within 10 ppg of MJ in any series, while everyone else in history needed teammates to match or exceed their scoring for entire playoff runs.. (edit: pippen has 2 series where he averaged 4 and 8 ppg less than MJ).

There's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than MJ/Pippen and this includes PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP.

Btw, Grant and Kukoc often led Pippen in various series or seasons in various stats like WS/48 or BPM, while Pippen was literally never the 1st or 2nd option in the clutch and 4th quarter.. He was only a 2nd option alongside MJ otherwise he was 869th option for the Rockets and Blazers.

[3ba11]

Why did people say I was crazy about this?

Are you guys that blind?

Why are you guys wrong about everything?

Don't you realize that I've been following the game for 35 years

I used to listen to bulls' games on wmaq 67 in 87'

[Mask the Embiid]

No you didn’t just compare Andrew Wiggins to a guy who was averaging like 20/7/7 with 2 steals a game… nah even 3ball is not this delusional. Nah can’t be I must of misread the op…nope no way he would of made a thead like that… nope not even him…nope I refuse to believe it

https://c.tenor.com/X12glaReBnwAAAAM/nope-no.gif

[3ba11]

No you didn’t just compare Andrew Wiggins to a guy who was averaging like 20/7/7 with 2 steals a game… nah even 3ball is not this delusional. Nah can’t be I must of misread the op


Pippen made the 1990 all-star team averaging 16/6/5 with among the lowest advanced stats ever for an all-star - he had lower scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48 than 09' Mo.. Pippen wasn't all-defense either

Yeah that's interesting because the 09' Cavs were superior to the 90' bulls on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles