Would any 90s SG make the all star team in the modern era?

[TheCorporation]

Any of them?

Harden
Klay
Irving
Booker
Mitchell
CP3
Lillard
Curry
Derozan


Looks like a no from me dawg.


Maybe...maybe one 90s guy sneaks in.

[Full Court]

Another quality thread by SuperPooper, aka TheConstipation.

[SouBeachTalents]

No 90s SG would even make the league today.

[3ba11]

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Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts


And Drexler completely destroys Derozan particularly in the playoffs

Tbh, the lack of spacing in the 80's and 90's made contested shot-making the standard - so every player was forced to develop their own individually-unique way of making contested shots like Kareem, Bird, McAdoo, Wilkes, King, Bird, - everyone played different, while today's spacing produces the same playing styles and robots.. So previous eras had superior off-the-cuff pure scorers and contested shot-makers.

[Gohan]

Any of them?

Harden
Klay
Irving
Booker
Mitchell
CP3
Lillard
Curry
Derozan


Looks like a no from me dawg.


Maybe...maybe one 90s guy sneaks in.

If thats the competition i probably can make it

[Full Court]

Well, this thread sure backfired. Way to go, SuperPooper.

[CountDracula]

Joe Dumars, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Reggie Lewis, Glen Rice, Latrell Sprewell, Steve Smith, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Mark Price, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Dominique Wilkins, Chris Mullin, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan.....

https://i.ibb.co/ZXNtdJm/african-american-prisoner-holding-book-and-looking-at-camera.jpg (https://ibb.co/KhmR6Gw)

https://i.ibb.co/tMHcTNg/DBD41-AD3-26-A7-4-A5-F-90-BB-556-C5-B72-CD57.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[Bronbron23]

Any of them?

Harden
Klay
Irving
Booker
Mitchell
CP3
Lillard
Curry
Derozan


Looks like a no from me dawg.


Maybe...maybe one 90s guy sneaks in.

Drexler
Penny
Richmond
Miller
Hill
Mullins

[HoopsNY]

Any of them?

Harden
Klay
Irving
Booker
Mitchell
CP3
Lillard
Curry
Derozan


Looks like a no from me dawg.


Maybe...maybe one 90s guy sneaks in.

Half of those guys are PGs. And it's funny how all of a sudden, DeRozan is favored by Bran stans. This is also the 2021-2022 season, so you're spanning players like CP3 who came into the league in 2005 with guys who came in the 2010s.

If you're gonna span two decades like that, then the 90s had MJ, Drexler, Miller, Kobe, Iverson, Allen, Dumars, Lewis, Drazen, Richmond, etc.

[HoopsNY]

Half of those guys are PGs. And it's funny how all of a sudden, DeRozan is favored by Bran stans. This is also the 2021-2022 season, so you're spanning players like CP3 who came into the league in 2005 with guys who came in the 2010s.

If you're gonna span two decades like that, then the 90s had MJ, Drexler, Miller, Kobe, Iverson, Allen, Dumars, Lewis, Drazen, Richmond, etc.

And if we wanna throw in PGs like OP, then toss in Penny, Kidd, GP, Price, Stockton, etc.

[gonzaldo]

22.1/3.9/3.7 and 2.2 steals, on 47.2/40.0/87.1 shooting
can you guess the player?

[TheCorporation]

Drexler
Penny
Richmond
Miller
Hill
Mullins


Wow, you really listed

2 Small Forwards (Hill/Mullins)
1 Anorexic failure (Miller)
1 Bald, one-hand dribbling loser (Drexler)
1 Injury prone fragile loser (Penny)

Was this it? :lol

[Full Court]

If posting on here were equivalent to shooting hoops...




...TheConstipation would be throwing up nothing but air balls.

[Bronbron23]

Wow, you really listed

2 Small Forwards (Hill/Mullins)
1 Anorexic failure (Miller)
1 Bald, one-hand dribbling loser (Drexler)
1 Injury prone fragile loser (Penny)

Was this it? :lol

No different than you listing

A playoff chocker who needs easy defensive rules to be good

A injury proned shooter

A mental head case

A guy who asked the mascot removed so he could shoot

Shall i continue:oldlol:

[Full Court]

A guy who asked the mascot removed so he could shoot



:roll:

[highwhey]

yes, the g-league all star

[iamgine]

In the past few seasons alone there are players like Oladipo or Dragic or Dangelo Russell making the all star so of course a lot of 90s SGs will make it. Even guys like Lattrell Spreewell might make it.

[Axe]

Not even 12thbe :(

[Axe]

No different than you listing

A playoff chocker who needs easy defensive rules to be good

A injury proned shooter

A mental head case

A guy who asked the mascot removed so he could shoot

Shall i continue:oldlol:
A guy with b2b losses in the play ins aka losers bracket :cry:

[TheGoatest]

In the past few seasons alone there are players like Oladipo or Dragic or Dangelo Russell making the all star so of course a lot of 90s SGs will make it. Even guys like Lattrell Spreewell might make it.

Bradley Beal averaged 30 points and 6 assists recently yet failed to make an all-star team. The only way all the crap 90s shooting guards would be all-stars in todays era is with a ton of injuries to the other all-stars.

[TheCorporation]

Bradley Beal averaged 30 points and 6 assists recently yet failed to make an all-star team. The only way all the crap 90s shooting guards would be all-stars in todays era is with a ton of injuries to the other all-stars.

Bingo

All 90s starting guards would be turned into 7th/8th rotation players.

[Johnny32]

Gary Payton, Glen Rice, Latrell Sprewell, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Mark Price, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Dominique Wilkins, Chris Mullin, Scottie Pippen

not sgs.

[John8204]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP if he played in todays NBA, I don't understand this thread

[SouBeachTalents]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP if he played in todays NBA, I don't understand this thread
He absolutely would not be :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Joe Dumars, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Reggie Lewis, Glen Rice, Latrell Sprewell, Steve Smith, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Mark Price, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Dominique Wilkins, Chris Mullin, Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan.....

https://i.ibb.co/ZXNtdJm/african-american-prisoner-holding-book-and-looking-at-camera.jpg (https://ibb.co/KhmR6Gw)

https://i.ibb.co/tMHcTNg/DBD41-AD3-26-A7-4-A5-F-90-BB-556-C5-B72-CD57.gif (https://imgbb.com/)


Seriously put those guys in this era and their numbers would be much higher.

[tontoz]

Bradley Beal averaged 30 points and 6 assists recently yet failed to make an all-star team. The only way all the crap 90s shooting guards would be all-stars in todays era is with a ton of injuries to the other all-stars.

Beal's defense was so bad he actually ranked 37th in RPM that year, and his numbers went up after the break.

He wouldn't be averaging 30 back in the 90s. No chance.

[tontoz]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP if he played in todays NBA, I don't understand this thread

Umm....no. He would have better numbers now for sure but MVP is a reach. He wasn't good enough off the dribble for that.

[John8204]

Umm....no. He would have better numbers now for sure but MVP is a reach. He wasn't good enough off the dribble for that.

If he stays in Indiana and keeps managing #1 #2 and #3 seeds in conference he 100% gets it. If he leaves Indiana and ring chases he ends up in a situation where he is the #1 option on a stacked team.

Rose, Westbrook, Harden, Joker, Giannis 2nd, and whomever wins this year proves that the bar is lowered for a great shooter like Reggie to win an MVP.

[pandiani17]

Seriously put those guys in this era and their numbers would be much higher.

This. I usually rate 90s stars higher than 2010s stars like Westbrook, Harden, etc.

[Thenameless]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP if he played in todays NBA, I don't understand this thread

+1

[SouBeachTalents]

If he stays in Indiana and keeps managing #1 #2 and #3 seeds in conference he 100% gets it. If he leaves Indiana and ring chases he ends up in a situation where he is the #1 option on a stacked team.

Rose, Westbrook, Harden, Joker, Giannis 2nd, and whomever wins this year proves that the bar is lowered for a great shooter like Reggie to win an MVP.
The guy got literally 3 MVP votes, 3, his entire career. No era change is making a player go from that to MVP, FOH :oldlol:

[John8204]

The guy got literally 3 MVP votes, 3, his entire career. No era change is making a player go from that to MVP, FOH :oldlol:

Because he played in an era where every team built itself around a single star and the media voted for bigs. Ewing didn't come close to an MVP during that era either and he would have likely won one during this era.

[Johnny32]

Because he played in an era where every team built itself around a single star and the media voted for bigs. Ewing didn't come close to an MVP during that era either and he would have likely won one during this era.

lmao @ either of them winning an mvp in this era.

[SouBeachTalents]

Because he played in an era where every team built itself around a single star and the media voted for bigs. Ewing didn't come close to an MVP during that era either and he would have likely won one during this era.
Ewing actually finished top 5 in MVP voting several times, so that’s a completely inaccurate comparison. Reggie was being left off of MVP ballots entirely throughout his prime, failing to get a single vote over the likes of Ceballos, Gugliotta & Kevin Willis. Claiming he’d be an MVP in this era is frankly preposterous.

[tontoz]

If he stays in Indiana and keeps managing #1 #2 and #3 seeds in conference he 100% gets it. If he leaves Indiana and ring chases he ends up in a situation where he is the #1 option on a stacked team.

Rose, Westbrook, Harden, Joker, Giannis 2nd, and whomever wins this year proves that the bar is lowered for a great shooter like Reggie to win an MVP.



Harden/Joker/Giannis are at least one, maybe two tiers higher than Reggie. The Rose and WB MVPs were suspect but those guys were both ball dominant players. Reggie was an off ball player.

I don't see him winning MVP in any era. He was never even top 12 in the MVP voting when he played.

[2ball]

Lance Stephenson came back on a 10 day contract and he’s literally the best player on the pacers… yeah this league is tough

[3ba11]

Ewing actually finished top 5 in MVP voting several times, so that’s a completely inaccurate comparison. Reggie was being left off of MVP ballots entirely throughout his prime, failing to get a single vote over the likes of Ceballos, Gugliotta & Kevin Willis. Claiming he’d be an MVP in this era is frankly preposterous.


No one valued threes in the 90's, so Miller lost out on media awards.

It's unfortunate because Miller's three-point shooting was ABNORMAL for his time, and therefore even more impactful than today's game where each team has 3-4 Reggie Miller's.

Miller's abnormal spacing effect explains how he had numerous juggernaut top seeds and historic playoff runs without a single all-star teammate in his career - he beat Ewing several times and nearly beat Jordan's Bulls or Shaq/Kobe Lakers in Finals, while outplaying Kobe, Ray Allen (twice) and basically everyone not named Jordan... His performance destroyed Pippen's for all 6 times they faced the same playoff opponent. (6/6).. That's one of many gauges that demonstrate Miller's superiority.

These are some of the reasons that Miller was one of the few players from previous eras to get added to the top 75 list (which is hugely flawed, but Miller is one of the ones they got right)

[JohnMax]

lol at people bringing up Reggie Miller like he wasn't an outlier. He was a great 3-point shooter in an era that didn't shoot many 3s.

[TheCorporation]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP if he played in todays NBA, I don't understand this thread

:lol

He was top 5 in MVP voting ZERO times in his career :lol

So no.

[Axe]

Even guys like thurston think that reggie miller is a better player than klay thompson. :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

they all would as none embarrassed the USA by winning bronze medal.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

[CountDracula]

Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Ray Allen...

https://i.ibb.co/R4McgYJ/9-C69-FDE9-CC34-4625-8491-858-E3-AEA52-C2.jpg (https://ibb.co/zHLZmQt)

https://i.ibb.co/cQgR9rP/3950-F451-C1-CE-41-F1-8-A5-C-EA16607-A3-D58.jpg (https://ibb.co/pd0NTLg)

https://i.ibb.co/pW5QpKJ/65-F21-D42-FC18-4-DDC-930-B-8711-E6-B51187.jpg (https://ibb.co/dbxtypG)

[kawhileonard2]

:lol

He was top 5 in MVP voting ZERO times in his career :lol

So no.
He would be a better version of Steph Curry in this era.

[Wally450]

Reggie Miller would be an MVP if he played in todays NBA, I don't understand this thread

And his 19 PPG? That's MVP worthy?

[TheCorporation]

Even guys like thurston think that reggie miller is a better player than klay thompson. :oldlol:

Yikes :lol

[Johnny32]

And his 19 PPG? That's MVP worthy?

what about his career averages of 3 apg and 3 rpg lol.

[3ba11]

And his 19 PPG? That's MVP worthy?


^^^ that's what Curry averaged for 3 straight years until his 3-point volume increased after the league became 3-point contest

So Miller would average 30 just like Curry if his 3-point attempts were doubled like Curry's were

[HoopsNY]

Even guys like thurston think that reggie miller is a better player than klay thompson. :oldlol:

The reason for this is that Reggie was a leader. He led his team to the ECF several times and took his team to the finals. Reggie was a great playoff performer and very clutch.

We haven't seen this from Klay. Klay has defense over him, but he's been spotty in big games and big moments. I agree it's tough to assess since we haven't seen Klay lead a team, but the samples are what they are, and you can't penalize Reggie for Klay not getting a shot at leading a team.

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/0QpY6C5/DE917-A9-E-8-C31-4-B24-976-D-D3-D2-F78180-B5.jpg (https://ibb.co/g6btfSY)

https://i.ibb.co/DkT5mc9/F0-E401-CE-B6-D5-441-C-B272-B986268-D1-D63.jpg (https://ibb.co/XpMS607)

https://i.ibb.co/mH12PBL/0434-DB64-9-A39-4-A8-A-8750-5-F28-BCD3-F77-F.jpg (https://ibb.co/D7svjbx)

https://i.ibb.co/wc4878V/3695-A9-B5-5382-4378-8197-5-A494243-A723.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[juju151111]

https://i.ibb.co/0QpY6C5/DE917-A9-E-8-C31-4-B24-976-D-D3-D2-F78180-B5.jpg (https://ibb.co/g6btfSY)

https://i.ibb.co/DkT5mc9/F0-E401-CE-B6-D5-441-C-B272-B986268-D1-D63.jpg (https://ibb.co/XpMS607)

https://i.ibb.co/mH12PBL/0434-DB64-9-A39-4-A8-A-8750-5-F28-BCD3-F77-F.jpg (https://ibb.co/D7svjbx)

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Alot of them cause its easier to score today and get triple doubles

[Baller789]

https://i.ibb.co/0QpY6C5/DE917-A9-E-8-C31-4-B24-976-D-D3-D2-F78180-B5.jpg (https://ibb.co/g6btfSY)

https://i.ibb.co/DkT5mc9/F0-E401-CE-B6-D5-441-C-B272-B986268-D1-D63.jpg (https://ibb.co/XpMS607)

https://i.ibb.co/mH12PBL/0434-DB64-9-A39-4-A8-A-8750-5-F28-BCD3-F77-F.jpg (https://ibb.co/D7svjbx)

https://i.ibb.co/wc4878V/3695-A9-B5-5382-4378-8197-5-A494243-A723.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

Not to mention Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Steve Smith and Mitch Richmond would be better in the 3-point spaced out era.

[2much_knowledge]

No 90s SG would even make the league today.

This 100%. Austin reaves would destroy clyde drexler easily.....

L O L

[Bronbron23]

Any of them?

Harden
Klay
Irving
Booker
Mitchell
CP3
Lillard
Curry
Derozan


Looks like a no from me dawg.


Maybe...maybe one 90s guy sneaks in.

Of course they would. This era is tailor made for sg dude. They're shooting 8-12 threes a game. Miller and bird who were as good of shooters as anyone on that list other than curry shot a few a game because of the era. You do realize that if any of those players including curry played in the 90's they shoot 1/3 of the amount of threes they shoot today.

[97 bulls]

^^^ that's what Curry averaged for 3 straight years until his 3-point volume increased after the league became 3-point contest

So Miller would average 30 just like Curry if his 3-point attempts were doubled like Curry's were

Why dont you apply this logic to Pippen? You've literally said the increase in scoring from perimeter players in today's game would have no effect on Pip's scoring.

This kind of logic shows you're full of shit.