Czech folk singer Hanka Horka dies after getting deliberately infected with COVID-19

[Lebron23]

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Czech folk singer Hanka Horka has died of COVID-19 after intentionally getting infected with the virus.

Horka, a vocalist for the popular folk group Asonance, voluntarily exposed herself to the virus in order to obtain a health pass.

Both she and her husband tested positive before Christmas, according to her son, Jan Rek.

“My mum wanted to get sick, so she gets the COVID pass,” Rek told CNN affiliate CNN Prima News.

“She said to me and even publicly she wants to get infected so she is done with COVID.”

The 57-year-old unvaccinated singer wanted a “recovery pass” so she could attend the theatre and a sauna in the Czech republic, the BBC reports.

A proof of vaccination or evidence of recent infection is required in the country to attend such venues.

When her husband and son came down with the virus, Horka did not isolate herself from them.

Instead she stayed close to her infected family members.

“She should have isolated for a week because we tested positive — but she was with us the whole time,” Rek told Prague Morning.

Horka was open about her plan to get infected, writing about her infection on Facebook.

“I survived ... it was intense,” she wrote.

“So now there will be the theatre, sauna, a concert… and an urgent trip to the sea.”

Instead, she died on January 16, two days after writing the post.

Her son blamed the anti-vaccination movement for his mother’s death.

“I know exactly who influenced her,” he said.

“It makes me sad that she believed strangers more than her proper family.

“In about 10 minutes it was all over ... She choked to death.”

The number of COVID cases in the Czech Republic reached a new daily high on Wednesday, with 28,469 cases reported in a population of 10 million.

Deliberate infection
Horka’s death comes as more and more people talk about deliberately getting infected - to the extent of hosting so-called “COVID parties.”

Last week, Australian epidemiologist Bruce Willett slammed the trend towards deliberate infection, saying it was a “really bad idea.”

The trend is being promoted by numerous TikTok influencers, who suggest contracting the virus deliberately speeds up the process and helps people avoid long periods of self-isolation.

In one social media video, a woman from Queensland purposely tried to get the virus by sharing her COVID-positive daughter’s glass of orange juice.

“When you’re COVID positive, and mum drinks your OJ to try and get COVID asap so we aren’t in extended iso,” the video’s caption read.

Influencer and former Big Brother contestant Tully Smyth also shocked her followers after announcing her decision to move in with her infected boyfriend, hoping to “catch it sooner rather than later”.


“This sort of behaviour threatens to overwhelm medical services,” he said.

“They will get immunity to COVID but it’s not substantially better than getting the immunization and at an extraordinarily higher risk.”

Tragically, Hanka Horka’s death appears to bear Willett’s comments out.

https://7news.com.au/travel/coronavirus/czech-folk-singer-hanka-horka-dies-after-getting-deliberately-infected-with-covid-19-c-5383017

[Off the Court]

This one is worthy of the phrase "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

57 years old is young but it isn't young enough to purposefully mess around with covid.

[hiphopanonymous]

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[TheMan]

Natural selection, fellas :confusedshrug:

RIP

[Cleverness]

Up next... retired Albanian race car driver's cousin says he died with Covid after grocery shopping without a mask.. "he just didn't have enough faith in The Science," his cousin said.

[jstern]

You don't just die of Covid, usually you have comorbidities. And she probably didn't catch the Omicron.

You have to know the cost versus benefit of your situation. If you're like her, kind of old, out of shape, it's best not to take the risk. She probably would have died even if vaccinated, but just like I've advised vulnerable people here on ISH to get the vaccine, she should have taken the vaccine risk. Or better yet, take some steps to get in shape. It's a shitty vaccine, that only truly shows some protection for those 65 years old and older, and doesn't show much against younger people, since the Corona doesn't kill enough younger people to show much of a difference. But if you're younger than that and have multiple comorbidities, then at least don't try to catch it on purpose.

She was fooled by the fact that those in her household didn't feel it.


https://youtu.be/WtZITCvFQTo


Natural selection, fellas :confusedshrug:

RIP

She was old and had kids, and was not having any future ones.

Today I was actually thinking of a worst case scenario, since the spike proteins of the mRNA tends to collect in the ovaries. What if in the future we have a situation where tens of thousands of future adults won't be able to reproduce due to vaccine damage. It would be their parent's fault, but an example of natural selection. A good portion of the population that for whatever genetic tendencies were ok with their kids getting experimental mRNA vaccines that for decades never made if past animal trials. Those genes that for a lack of a better word made it easier for somebody to be a vaccine cuck, will be a little less common in future generations.

[hiphopanonymous]

You don't just die of Covid...
Yeah actually you do sometimes.

[n00bie]

Doesn't matter how rare it is to die from Covid, purposely getting sick is just dumb.

[hiphopanonymous]

I don't care about the celebrities tbh and don't need news stories of them to have seen the impact and I'm surprised they even get reported. Last month a person from my school 7 years younger than me died of Covid, with zero comorbidities. In their 20's. They were actually on one of those shows Americas got talent or whatever a few years back. Real person with a real identity that had real potential for a long and positive life. Unvaccinated of course, and his dad was in the ICU at the time with Covid also unvaccinated - not sure if his dad made it or not but even if he did he lost his son so wouldn't be doing well now anyways. This kid went to sleep on the couch with a fever and never woke up. Myocarditis - due to Covid (which by the way, is 8 times more prevalent in people who catch Covid than in people who get a vaccine). No he didn't have 1 foot in the grave, I guarantee you he would be here today if he'd had a vaccine. Is the vaccine perfect and free of risk? Nope. Is it common for young or healthy to die of Covid? Of COURSE NOT. Is it worth the risk to tempt fate no matter how small the odds when the stakes are so high to skip a much lower risk vaccine in lieu of the much higher risk disease? OF COURSE NOT. Just like wearing your seatbelt in a car. Get a vaccine if it's free not by law by just to not be a moron lmao, the benefits outweigh the risks (and they do by miles on this one)

My Aunts brother (Aunt is an inlaw) died of Covid just before christmas this year in his 50's. His wife, also in her 50's, just died 2 weeks ago of Covid as well. They were both vocal anti vaxxers. Whoops! I was at a pig roast laughing it up with them only a few years ago - but honestly they made a real poor judgement call on this one. My friends dad whos house I'd visited just last year, had zero health issues also in his 50's and by every stretch of the imagination would have probably lived another 30 years enjoying life with his newly born and young grandkids - he was a great guy - died of Covid just before Christmas as well, and only within 3 days of feeling sick. My fiance's best friends father died of Covid a few months before that. Several coworkers have lost a parent or loved one to Covid at this point, and my moms friend just died of Covid who was maybe in her early 60's. How stupid must any of you be to actually think 50's and 60's is "old". Like, my grandparents who died prematurely from bad health from smoking since age 14 etc were all in their mid 70's the actual "old" healthier members of my family that didn't get lung cancer and chose to treat their illnesses all exceed and have exceeded their 80's which is how it should be if you actually listen to medical advice.

Exclusively from my own social contacts I know of all in all probably a dozen people who have died of Covid-19 already. I have heard of absolutely ZERO people who have died of the vaccine. Zero. Zero people who have ever died from the flu or a cold either which Covid is often equated too and that's in my entire lifetime not just within 2 years. Hell, I know of less people in my entire life that have died from a car accident than I've learned of dying from Covid-19 these past 2 years.

Anyone on here who still doesn't see the virus as any kind of meaningful threat worthy of mention or mitigation must have zero social life. I can't imagine not knowing anyone who died of Covid at this stage being that it has run through most of the U.S. by this point 3 times - I picture some on here living as hermits or something. At the start of the alleged pandemic it was helpful to see statistics provided by outsiders though of course taken with a grain of salt but at this point who even needs them - I couldn't care less about what the government or CDC says. I know first hand statistics from my social circles now. A dozen folks I'm aware of have died of Covid - 0 died of vaccination. Vaccinated people usually don't go to the hospital where as unvaccinated people usually do. 11 of the 12 people who died of Covid were unvaccinated. 0 people I've ever known have died of a flu or cold. Probably 3 or 4 people I've ever known of have died from a car accident. My real life statistics don't require me to "do research". At the end of the day I don't care what anyone actually does as far as getting the vaccine or not it's just amusing to watch so many people still act like they live under a rock, or that the vaccine is somehow more dangerous. LMAO

[Off the Court]

I don't care about the celebrities tbh and don't need news stories of them to have seen the impact and I'm surprised they even get reported. Last month a person from my school 7 years younger than me died of Covid, with zero comorbidities. In their 20's. They were actually on one of those shows Americas got talent or whatever a few years back. Real person with a real identity that had real potential for a long and positive life. Unvaccinated of course, and his dad was in the ICU at the time with Covid also unvaccinated - not sure if his dad made it or not but even if he did he lost his son so wouldn't be doing well now anyways. This kid went to sleep on the couch with a fever and never woke up. Myocarditis - due to Covid (which by the way, is 8 times more prevalent in people who catch Covid than in people who get a vaccine). No he didn't have 1 foot in the grave, I guarantee you he would be here today if he'd had a vaccine. Is the vaccine perfect and free of risk? Nope. Is it common for young or healthy to die of Covid? Of COURSE NOT. Is it worth the risk to tempt fate no matter how small the odds when the stakes are so high to skip a much lower risk vaccine in lieu of the much higher risk disease? OF COURSE NOT. Just like wearing your seatbelt in a car. Get a vaccine if it's free not by law by just to not be a moron lmao, the benefits outweigh the risks (and they do by miles on this one)

My Aunts brother (Aunt is an inlaw) died of Covid just before christmas this year in his 50's. His wife, also in her 50's, just died 2 weeks ago of Covid as well. They were both vocal anti vaxxers. Whoops! I was at a pig roast laughing it up with them only a few years ago - but honestly they made a real poor judgement call on this one. My friends dad whos house I'd visited just last year, had zero health issues also in his 50's and by every stretch of the imagination would have probably lived another 30 years enjoying life with his newly born and young grandkids - he was a great guy - died of Covid just before Christmas as well, and only within 3 days of feeling sick. My fiance's best friends father died of Covid a few months before that. Several coworkers have lost a parent or loved one to Covid at this point, and my moms friend just died of Covid who was maybe in her early 60's. How stupid must any of you be to actually think 50's and 60's is "old". Like, my grandparents who died prematurely from bad health from smoking since age 14 etc were all in their mid 70's the actual "old" healthier members of my family that didn't get lung cancer and chose to treat their illnesses all exceed and have exceeded their 80's which is how it should be if you actually listen to medical advice.

Exclusively from my own social contacts I know of all in all probably a dozen people who have died of Covid-19 already. I have heard of absolutely ZERO people who have died of the vaccine. Zero. Zero people who have ever died from the flu or a cold either which Covid is often equated too and that's in my entire lifetime not just within 2 years. Hell, I know of less people in my entire life that have died from a car accident than I've learned of dying from Covid-19 these past 2 years.

Anyone on here who still doesn't see the virus as any kind of meaningful threat worthy of mention or mitigation must have zero social life. I can't imagine not knowing anyone who died of Covid at this stage being that it has run through most of the U.S. by this point 3 times - I picture some on here living as hermits or something. At the start of the alleged pandemic it was helpful to see statistics provided by outsiders though of course taken with a grain of salt but at this point who even needs them - I couldn't care less about what the government or CDC says. I know first hand statistics from my social circles now. A dozen folks I'm aware of have died of Covid - 0 died of vaccination. Vaccinated people usually don't go to the hospital where as unvaccinated people usually do. 11 of the 12 people who died of Covid were unvaccinated. 0 people I've ever known have died of a flu or cold. Probably 3 or 4 people I've ever known of have died from a car accident. My real life statistics don't require me to "do research". At the end of the day I don't care what anyone actually does as far as getting the vaccine or not it's just amusing to watch so many people still act like they live under a rock, or that the vaccine is somehow more dangerous. LMAO
Pretty much. I work for a large company and since the start of covid I have read at least 20 company announcements of someone having to bury a loved one and we've had 1 employee death of someone mid-40s. No flu year I've ever seen has done this. And then if I look at all my Facebook friends it's the same story. I get in here to read people declare that this is just a cold or even a complete hoax and it lets me know those posters are isolated from society. Keyboard conservatives who are driven by politics like jstern who spend all day behind a screen and don't interact with large groups of people.

[jstern]

I don't care about the celebrities tbh and don't need news stories of them to have seen the impact and I'm surprised they even get reported. Last month a person from my school 7 years younger than me died of Covid, with zero comorbidities. In their 20's. They were actually on one of those shows Americas got talent or whatever a few years back. Real person with a real identity that had real potential for a long and positive life. Unvaccinated of course, and his dad was in the ICU at the time with Covid also unvaccinated - not sure if his dad made it or not but even if he did he lost his son so wouldn't be doing well now anyways. This kid went to sleep on the couch with a fever and never woke up. Myocarditis - due to Covid (which by the way, is 8 times more prevalent in people who catch Covid than in people who get a vaccine). No he didn't have 1 foot in the grave, I guarantee you he would be here today if he'd had a vaccine. Is the vaccine perfect and free of risk? Nope. Is it common for young or healthy to die of Covid? Of COURSE NOT. Is it worth the risk to tempt fate no matter how small the odds when the stakes are so high to skip a much lower risk vaccine in lieu of the much higher risk disease? OF COURSE NOT. Just like wearing your seatbelt in a car. Get a vaccine if it's free not by law by just to not be a moron lmao, the benefits outweigh the risks (and they do by miles on this one)

My Aunts brother (Aunt is an inlaw) died of Covid just before christmas this year in his 50's. His wife, also in her 50's, just died 2 weeks ago of Covid as well. They were both vocal anti vaxxers. Whoops! I was at a pig roast laughing it up with them only a few years ago - but honestly they made a real poor judgement call on this one. My friends dad whos house I'd visited just last year, had zero health issues also in his 50's and by every stretch of the imagination would have probably lived another 30 years enjoying life with his newly born and young grandkids - he was a great guy - died of Covid just before Christmas as well, and only within 3 days of feeling sick. My fiance's best friends father died of Covid a few months before that. Several coworkers have lost a parent or loved one to Covid at this point, and my moms friend just died of Covid who was maybe in her early 60's. How stupid must any of you be to actually think 50's and 60's is "old". Like, my grandparents who died prematurely from bad health from smoking since age 14 etc were all in their mid 70's the actual "old" healthier members of my family that didn't get lung cancer and chose to treat their illnesses all exceed and have exceeded their 80's which is how it should be if you actually listen to medical advice.

Exclusively from my own social contacts I know of all in all probably a dozen people who have died of Covid-19 already. I have heard of absolutely ZERO people who have died of the vaccine. Zero. Zero people who have ever died from the flu or a cold either which Covid is often equated too and that's in my entire lifetime not just within 2 years. Hell, I know of less people in my entire life that have died from a car accident than I've learned of dying from Covid-19 these past 2 years.

Anyone on here who still doesn't see the virus as any kind of meaningful threat worthy of mention or mitigation must have zero social life. I can't imagine not knowing anyone who died of Covid at this stage being that it has run through most of the U.S. by this point 3 times - I picture some on here living as hermits or something. At the start of the alleged pandemic it was helpful to see statistics provided by outsiders though of course taken with a grain of salt but at this point who even needs them - I couldn't care less about what the government or CDC says. I know first hand statistics from my social circles now. A dozen folks I'm aware of have died of Covid - 0 died of vaccination. Vaccinated people usually don't go to the hospital where as unvaccinated people usually do. 11 of the 12 people who died of Covid were unvaccinated. 0 people I've ever known have died of a flu or cold. Probably 3 or 4 people I've ever known of have died from a car accident. My real life statistics don't require me to "do research". At the end of the day I don't care what anyone actually does as far as getting the vaccine or not it's just amusing to watch so many people still act like they live under a rock, or that the vaccine is somehow more dangerous. LMAO

Joe Rogan turned out to be right, or should I say his data turned out to be right. If you're under 40, you are more likely to develop myocarditis from the vaccine (https://www.archyde.com/university-of-oxford-moderna-under-40-increases-heart-disease-risk-when-vaccinated-pfizer-vaccine-side-effect/) than from getting Covid. BUT, not only that, the vaccine does not stop the spread, the vaccinated carry the same amount of viral load.

Unfortunately that myocarditis misinformation is going to get spread for the next few months by the main stream. And those who were disappointed that he didn't die from the virus.

So not only will you be at higher risk of getting myocarditis from the vaccine, but now you're going to add to the risk, since almost everyone is going to get the Corona. The common denominator, the spike protein, take Ivermectin.

As far as your Americas got Talent friend, statistically speaking, chances are that he had an underlying health condition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8

It just seems like your living in a different situation, if so many people around you are dying of the Corona.

And I just saw the Vaers report, showing that there has been 23,000 vaccine related deaths. And the Vaers system is severely under reported, by around 8 times. It's very complicated to report side effects to the Vaers system, time consuming, and against the law to put down false information. With a lot of hospitals simply not reporting things. So it's very worrying to see 23,000 deaths reported so far. Because it's a very under reported system.

[diamenz]

Joe Rogan turned out to be right, or should I say his data turned out to be right. If you're under 40, you are more likely to develop myocarditis from the vaccine (https://www.archyde.com/university-of-oxford-moderna-under-40-increases-heart-disease-risk-when-vaccinated-pfizer-vaccine-side-effect/) than from getting Covid. BUT, not only that, the vaccine does not stop the spread, the vaccinated carry the same amount of viral load.

Unfortunately that myocarditis misinformation is going to get spread for the next few months by the main stream. And those who were disappointed that he didn't die from the virus.

So not only will you be at higher risk of getting myocarditis from the vaccine, but now you're going to add to the risk, since almost everyone is going to get the Corona. The common denominator, the spike protein, take Ivermectin.

As far as your Americas got Talent friend, statistically speaking, chances are that he had an underlying health condition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8

It just seems like your living in a different situation, if so many people around you are dying of the Corona.

And I just saw the Vaers report, showing that there has been 23,000 vaccine related deaths. And the Vaers system is severely under reported, by around 8 times. It's very complicated to report side effects to the Vaers system, time consuming, and against the law to put down false information. With a lot of hospitals simply not reporting things. So it's very worrying to see 23,000 deaths reported so far. Because it's a very under reported system.

that actually turned out to be false, which joe rogan acknowledged:

@7:00


https://youtu.be/0COwMzsbIy8?t=420

[diamenz]

you may also find this interesting, jstern. myocarditis is talked about in the first few minutes, but the ntire thing is worth listening to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h-wRTej72I&t

[SATAN]

Imagine actually typing out all the nonsense jstern does on a daily basis in an attempt to seem intelligent and disguise the fact you're a message board troll. The effort is completely unnecessary. Very strange behavior. :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Fake news.

[Cleverness]

Anyone on here who still doesn't see the virus as any kind of meaningful threat worthy of mention or mitigation must have zero social life. I can't imagine not knowing anyone who died of Covid at this stage being that it has run through most of the U.S. by this point 3 times - I picture some on here living as hermits or something. At the start of the alleged pandemic it was helpful to see statistics provided by outsiders though of course taken with a grain of salt but at this point who even needs them - I couldn't care less about what the government or CDC says. I know first hand statistics from my social circles now. A dozen folks I'm aware of have died of Covid - 0 died of vaccination. Vaccinated people usually don't go to the hospital where as unvaccinated people usually do. 11 of the 12 people who died of Covid were unvaccinated. 0 people I've ever known have died of a flu or cold. Probably 3 or 4 people I've ever known of have died from a car accident. My real life statistics don't require me to "do research". At the end of the day I don't care what anyone actually does as far as getting the vaccine or not it's just amusing to watch so many people still act like they live under a rock, or that the vaccine is somehow more dangerous. LMAO

What type of mitigation was worthy?

We've experienced about ~21+ months of gov't restrictions and we'll spend trillions of dollars using/enforcing the following NPIs:

-mass testing
-tracing
-stay-at-home orders
-business restrictions
-school closures
-mask mandates
-travel bans
-vaccine passports/requirements (In case you're not aware, some of the vaccine requirements including going to restaurants, traveling into the US, going to sporting events & concerts, attending a school, and employment.)

How many infections have each of those NPIs prevented so far?

[Cleverness]

Also, there is no RCT (that I'm aware of) that shows that vaccinated people are less likely to go to the hospital or die than unvaccinated people. In fact, as theman93 has pointed out on several occasions, the large Pfizer RCT results showed more people died in the vaccine group than the control group. Again, this doesn't prove the vaccine increases risk of death, but it also doesn't prove that the vaccine prevents hospitalization and death. (Note that I am saying hospitalization and death and not hospitalization & death with Covid-19). And for the 4th time, in my opinion I do still recommend the vaccine, particularly for folks who are high risk, but it's not based on any solid evidence (large RCT showing reduced risk of hospitalization/death).

[hiphopanonymous]

Joe Rogan turned out to be right, or should I say his data turned out to be right. If you're under 40, you are more likely to develop myocarditis from the vaccine (https://www.archyde.com/university-of-oxford-moderna-under-40-increases-heart-disease-risk-when-vaccinated-pfizer-vaccine-side-effect/) than from getting Covid. BUT, not only that, the vaccine does not stop the spread, the vaccinated carry the same amount of viral load.

Unfortunately that myocarditis misinformation is going to get spread for the next few months by the main stream. And those who were disappointed that he didn't die from the virus.

So not only will you be at higher risk of getting myocarditis from the vaccine, but now you're going to add to the risk, since almost everyone is going to get the Corona. The common denominator, the spike protein, take Ivermectin.

As far as your Americas got Talent friend, statistically speaking, chances are that he had an underlying health condition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8

It just seems like your living in a different situation, if so many people around you are dying of the Corona.

And I just saw the Vaers report, showing that there has been 23,000 vaccine related deaths. And the Vaers system is severely under reported, by around 8 times. It's very complicated to report side effects to the Vaers system, time consuming, and against the law to put down false information. With a lot of hospitals simply not reporting things. So it's very worrying to see 23,000 deaths reported so far. Because it's a very under reported system.

Get a social life and you wouldn't even need these toilet researcher studies LMAO - people DO just up and die from Covid. People you'd think were healthy, people you'd think should've and guaranteed would've lived another 20-30+ years. That's a long time man, they didn't have one foot in the grave. Is it common? No of course not most people of course survive but at this point I know of about a dozen within just 2 years which is like 4 times the number of people I've known to die in a car accident in my entire 35 year lifetime. I know of ZERO people who died from the vaccine and also in my entire life I know of zero people who've ever died of an actual cold or flu. And in this 3rd wave it was all the unvaxxed people in everyone's social circles going to the hospital and/or dying. Vaccinated people were getting sick, but had cold like symptoms on average by comparison. I would hear of coworkers with relatives in ERs and as mentioned some died - every single one having so much trouble as to be hospitalized was unvaccinated. Didn't hear of a single instance of a vaccinated person winding up in the ER in that same timeframe. The overwhelming majority that got REALLY sick didn't have the vaccine.

Go figure.

I don't need the CDC to tell me jack shit nor your armchair podcasters pretending to be experts and honestly you shouldn't either unless you live in bum**** nowhere and don't even have a social circle to speak of. It's not that hard to count - no need for outside information at this point.

[hiphopanonymous]

Also, there is no RCT (that I'm aware of) that shows that vaccinated people are less likely to go to the hospital or die than unvaccinated people. In fact, as theman93 has pointed out on several occasions, the large Pfizer RCT results showed more people died in the vaccine group than the control group. Again, this doesn't prove the vaccine increases risk of death, but it also doesn't prove that the vaccine prevents hospitalization and death. (Note that I am saying hospitalization and death and not hospitalization & death with Covid-19). And for the 4th time, in my opinion I do still recommend the vaccine, particularly for folks who are high risk, but it's not based on any solid evidence (large RCT showing reduced risk of hospitalization/death).

There's no RCT? Jesus man GET A SOCIAL LIFE that's my whole point. Just count people in REAL LIFE going to hospitals within your social circles... Who went. And were they vaccinated or not? Who died? And were they vaccinated or not? Anyone die of the vaccine? Anyone die in your life of a flu or cold? How does it compare to other illnesses like say heart attack or lung cancer or car accidents or whatever that kill people?

I know of more people who died of Covid-19 at this point in 2 years than died of lung cancer and car accidents combined in my entire 35 years. If you don't all I can think is you must not know very man people - like at all. Cause Covid-19 is SO COMMON at this point lol it's hard to believe you wouldn't know after 3 waves a single soul who at least had a direct family member that died or went to the hospital or waves of people who are vaccinated. Again ask yourself the simple questions of did they die or get really sick? Why? Was the vaccine causing more issues or illness itself? What killed more people? I mean in your own social circles observations.

Just count in REAL LIFE. Stop researching articles on your toilet there shouldn't even be a need at this point lol

[jstern]

you may also find this interesting, jstern. myocarditis is talked about in the first few minutes, but the ntire thing is worth listening to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h-wRTej72I&t

I listened to it.


Imagine actually typing out all the nonsense jstern does on a daily basis in an attempt to seem intelligent and disguise the fact you're a message board troll. The effort is completely unnecessary. Very strange behavior. :biggums:

How am I a troll for simply stating and opinion? How am I trying to sound smart? If myocarditis is a possible thing with the Corona, and it's also a thing at a higher level for those under 40 with the experimental Covid vaccines, then what is so unreasonable to state that since the vaccines do not protect you from catching the Corona, then a person is essentially increasing their chances by getting both Covid and the vaccine?

How is that a troll statement?


Get a social life and you wouldn't even need these toilet researcher studies LMAO - people DO just up and die from Covid. People you'd think were healthy, people you'd think should've and guaranteed would've lived another 20-30+ years. That's a long time man, they didn't have one foot in the grave. Is it common? No of course not most people of course survive but at this point I know of about a dozen within just 2 years which is like 4 times the number of people I've known to die in a car accident in my entire 35 year lifetime. I know of ZERO people who died from the vaccine and also in my entire life I know of zero people who've ever died of an actual cold or flu. And in this 3rd wave it was all the unvaxxed people in everyone's social circles going to the hospital and/or dying. Vaccinated people were getting sick, but had cold like symptoms on average by comparison. I would hear of coworkers with relatives in ERs and as mentioned some died - every single one having so much trouble as to be hospitalized was unvaccinated. Didn't hear of a single instance of a vaccinated person winding up in the ER in that same timeframe. The overwhelming majority that got REALLY sick didn't have the vaccine.

Go figure.

I don't need the CDC to tell me jack shit nor your armchair podcasters pretending to be experts and honestly you shouldn't either unless you live in bum**** nowhere and don't even have a social circle to speak of. It's not that hard to count - no need for outside information at this point.

I see this is a very sensitive issue for you. I do consume a lot of studies, just a factor of my intense human curiosity. And I do know thousands of people, and I only know one person that died, who I knew back in 2008. What can I tell you. Sure, there could be some that I also haven't seen in over a decade that maybe fit the typical profile of those who have died with Covid.

Either way, that's not even a tiny bit of the reason why I'm against the vaccines. I'm more fascinated by the whole scam and how some people just eat it up. It's not a simplistic subject, and seeing how it's an extremely emotional topic for you, you're just not going to have the open mind to consider it.

[Cleverness]

There's no RCT? Jesus man GET A SOCIAL LIFE that's my whole point. Just count people in REAL LIFE going to hospitals within your social circles... Who went. And were they vaccinated or not? Who died? And were they vaccinated or not? Anyone die of the vaccine? Anyone die in your life of a flu or cold? How does it compare to other illnesses like say heart attack or lung cancer or car accidents or whatever that kill people?

I'll answer your question, but you didn't answer the question I asked, following-up on your statement regarding mitigation.

Zero people from my circle of ~200 people have died from Covid-19 and zero have died from the vaccine. I know of at least six instances where people in my circle have gone to the hospital in the past 2 years. One died of pneumonia, one almost died of pneumonia, one had Covid-19, two were hospitalized immediately following vaccination, and one was an accidental injury.


Just count in REAL LIFE. Stop researching articles on your toilet there shouldn't even be a need at this point lol

I'm questioning your statement regarding mitigation. I hope you don't think decision-making about policy affecting hundreds of millions of people should be based on anecdotes.

[diamenz]

I listened to it.






alright. :cheers:

what do you think? anything you find interesting in particular, or just in general? i think he goes into detail on some things that the mainstream media has either misled on or spread misinformation about. in addition to that, he attempts to clear up shit that people mindlessly bark from both extremes of the argument. in a nutshell, although is opinions may lean a bit left, i think his approach is fair and one of the more unbiased you'll find from a professional.

[ZenMaster]

you may also find this interesting, jstern. myocarditis is talked about in the first few minutes, but the ntire thing is worth listening to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h-wRTej72I&t

Is it me or is that subject getting too simplified?
Didn't watch all of the videos, so I might just have missed it. I'd ask the following:

1) Does being vaccinated lower the chance of developing Myocarditis when infected with covid?

Doctor in the first vid said the chance of developing Myocarditis is eight times higher from covid compared to the vaccine, but I didn't hear him say that number is lowered when actually getting the vaccine.

2) When they talk about the chances of developing Myocarditis from Covid, are those chances equal for all variants?

3) Is the classification for when Myocarditis is developed through Covid or a vaccine the same and fair? And what's the cut off point for connecting a case of Myocarditis to one or the other?

For example, does Myocarditis need to be developed within 6 months of a Covid hospitalization for it to be attributed to Covid? Is it the same for the Vaccination? If not, is there a valid reason for it not to be?
Or is it not possible for Myocarditis to appear at all after just a few weeks? I don't know.

4) If a person is vaccinated, gets Covid and develops Myocarditis, is it attributed to Covid or the vaccine and is this always correct?

[diamenz]

Is it me or is that subject getting too simplified?
Didn't watch all of the videos, so I might just have missed it. I'd ask the following:

1) Does being vaccinated lower the chance of developing Myocarditis when infected with covid?

Doctor in the first vid said the chance of developing Myocarditis is eight times higher from covid compared to the vaccine, but I didn't hear him say that number is lowered when actually getting the vaccine.

2) When they talk about the chances of developing Myocarditis from Covid, are those chances equal for all variants?

3) Is the classification for when Myocarditis is developed through Covid or a vaccine the same and fair? And what's the cut off point for connecting a case of Myocarditis to one or the other?

For example, does Myocarditis need to be developed within 6 months of a Covid hospitalization for it to be attributed to Covid? Is it the same for the Vaccination? If not, is there a valid reason for it not to be?
Or is it not possible for Myocarditis to appear at all after just a few weeks? I don't know.

4) If a person is vaccinated, gets Covid and develops Myocarditis, is it attributed to Covid or the vaccine and is this always correct?


Imagine getting doctors: Kory, McCullough, Malone, Prasad and Gupta together for a fair conversation. I would pay-per-view for that in an uncensored format.

unfortunately, none of these doctors get any press or mainstream attention so questions remain up in the air.

[beasted]

You don't just die of Covid, usually you have comorbidities. And she probably didn't catch the Omicron.

You have to know the cost versus benefit of your situation. If you're like her, kind of old, out of shape, it's best not to take the risk. She probably would have died even if vaccinated, but just like I've advised vulnerable people here on ISH to get the vaccine, she should have taken the vaccine risk. Or better yet, take some steps to get in shape. It's a shitty vaccine, that only truly shows some protection for those 65 years old and older, and doesn't show much against younger people, since the Corona doesn't kill enough younger people to show much of a difference. But if you're younger than that and have multiple comorbidities, then at least don't try to catch it on purpose.

She was fooled by the fact that those in her household didn't feel it.


https://youtu.be/WtZITCvFQTo



She was old and had kids, and was not having any future ones.

Today I was actually thinking of a worst case scenario, since the spike proteins of the mRNA tends to collect in the ovaries. What if in the future we have a situation where tens of thousands of future adults won't be able to reproduce due to vaccine damage. It would be their parent's fault, but an example of natural selection. A good portion of the population that for whatever genetic tendencies were ok with their kids getting experimental mRNA vaccines that for decades never made if past animal trials. Those genes that for a lack of a better word made it easier for somebody to be a vaccine cuck, will be a little less common in future generations.

The way you post so matter-of-factly you have to have years studying infectious diseases, biology, and related health sciences, right?

You didn't just read a couple of online articles and talk to laymen to form an opinion, right?

I think it's only fair to let others know if you're opinion is substantiated by any facts when you brush a topic with such detailed (yet false) opinions or whether you just like talking shit on the internet cause it's fun to you.

[beasted]

I wish a lot more people would stop putting their useless uninformed Covid-19 asshole opinions out into the public (whether for vaccine, against vaccines, pro mask, against masks, for isolation, against isolation) and more people would be willing to say "I didn't study anything about covid-19, I encourage you to seek accredited professionals who did". And refer people to seek out a good trusted doctor and real scientists.

A proper doctor should at least be able to give you a decent baseline of your individual risk and underlying health concerns. They should also be able to link you with vetted sources for information. Not a biased news network or some dickhead with a loud mouth and a lot of followers, but real trustworthy articles to inform yourself if you really want to make better informed health decisions (nonspecific to covid-19).

Once you have those things you should be able to make a bit better than infantile armchair expert opinions about how much of a threat covid-19 is to yourself.

And spare me the bullshit about doctors being in the pocket of big pharma, or under threat to lose their license for telling you that you're in the low risk group. There are a millions of medical professionals for you to choose from. Everyone is "not out to get you!" or walking around with chips in their brain. :lol

[LAL]

I wish a lot more people would stop putting their useless uninformed Covid-19 asshole opinions out into the public (whether for vaccine, against vaccines, pro mask, against masks, for isolation, against isolation) and more people would be willing to say "I didn't study anything about covid-19, I encourage you to seek accredited professionals who did". And refer people to seek out a good trusted doctor and real scientists.

A proper doctor should at least be able to give you a decent baseline of your individual risk and underlying health concerns. They should also be able to link you with vetted sources for information. Not a biased news network or some dickhead with a loud mouth and a lot of followers, but real trustworthy articles to inform yourself if you really want to make better informed health decisions (nonspecific to covid-19).

Once you have those things you should be able to make a bit better than infantile armchair expert opinions about how much of a threat covid-19 is to yourself.

And spare me the bullshit about doctors being in the pocket of big pharma, or under threat to lose their license for telling you that you're in the low risk group. There are a millions of medical professionals for you to choose from. Everyone is "not out to get you!" or walking around with chips in their brain. :lol

Another one who took 3 experimental flu shots in the past 12 months. I'm happy for you and i have as much love for you as i had pre coovid.

[jstern]

The way you post so matter-of-factly you have to have years studying infectious diseases, biology, and related health sciences, right?

You didn't just read a couple of online articles and talk to laymen to form an opinion, right?

I think it's only fair to let others know if you're opinion is substantiated by any facts when you brush a topic with such detailed (yet false) opinions or whether you just like talking shit on the internet cause it's fun to you.

What exactly did I say in my post that seems to be getting this irritated reaction?

What I've found during this whole Covid thing is that there are 3 types of people. Those curious who consume a lot of information about every little aspect. Those who just don't care either way. "I have to get a vaccine to go to this concert? Ok." And those who lack any curiosity, I would say mentally lazy, and so are really impressed by media terms, "Experts say..." It's an out to them, they don't have to think and from their point of view they 100% got the right answer for the test. "I follow the experts, as an intelligent person I follow science..." They follow headlines, not even articles, and then they assume the same for everybody else.

As we've all seen, people like say Blade, Off the Court, they just read a headline from CNN. And then they assume that that's what everybody else does. But rather than their "Experts Say" headline from CNN, they think that the person who's actually curious just listened to some random podcast and that's why they have their opinion.

[SATAN]

As we've all seen, people like say Blade, Off the Court, they just read a headline from CNN.

Yeah, you're def not a troll. Right.

:facepalm

[jstern]

Yeah, you're def not a troll. Right.

:facepalm

Are you kidding me? That's their MO. It's been my major criticism of the two. And you think that was a troll comment by me?

Bladedf (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483529-Kyle-Rittenhouse&p=14478768&viewfull=1#post14478768) was writing essays about the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. Yet he hadn't watch, read a single thing about it. And from a gif that he saw he came to the conclusion, that without a shadow of a doubt, thinks he's 100% right, no need to even verify it, that Hubert was shot in the back as he was running away.

And Off the Court (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500872-R-I-P-Bob-Saget&p=14515606&viewfull=1#post14515606) is here talking about the Corona vaccines on a daily basis, yet didn't even know simple facts as the vaccine is supposed to

[jstern]

alright. :cheers:

what do you think? anything you find interesting in particular, or just in general? i think he goes into detail on some things that the mainstream media has either misled on or spread misinformation about. in addition to that, he attempts to clear up shit that people mindlessly bark from both extremes of the argument. in a nutshell, although is opinions may lean a bit left, i think his approach is fair and one of the more unbiased you'll find from a professional.

From what I remember. He's human, he's very knowledgeable, much more knowledgeable than the majority. But for me he's also an example of don't put all of your eggs in one basket. He says that he thinks young people should get one dose. That's very reasonable given the evidence. Chances of developing myocarditis increases with every dose. But as a human he might not be aware of the concept that many others "scientist," "experts," whatever you want to call them. Like Robert Malone, see evidence that people who are vaccinated are more likely to catch the Omicron. Because the immune system has been expecting a particular type of opponent, but getting something different. T Cell memory and all that BS. You don't vaccinate someone with a flu shot from two years ago, for this year's version. Etc. So what's the point in a healthy young person getting vaccinated for the Omicron.

Again, he's very knowledgeable, and there's value in that. I would listen nonstop to his interpretation of myorcaditis data on the issue. But in that knowledge, he's just a human with limited time, and so his focus is going to miss many of the aspects that I find interesting about this whole thing. He's not going to consider censoring, not just of Joe Rogan like they talked, but the censoring of anyone who's vaccine injured. What about the fact that Maddie de Garay was listed as a stomach ache. I'm sure knowledge of that would affect his overall big picture. So if he's not aware of it, it' not going to factor in to his saying it's ok to vaccinate young people with one dose.

[beasted]

What exactly did I say in my post that seems to be getting this irritated reaction?

What I've found during this whole Covid thing is that there are 3 types of people. Those curious who consume a lot of information about every little aspect. Those who just don't care either way. "I have to get a vaccine to go to this concert? Ok." And those who lack any curiosity, I would say mentally lazy, and so are really impressed by media terms, "Experts say..." It's an out to them, they don't have to think and from their point of view they 100% got the right answer for the test. "I follow the experts, as an intelligent person I follow science..." They follow headlines, not even articles, and then they assume the same for everybody else.

As we've all seen, people like say Blade, Off the Court, they just read a headline from CNN. And then they assume that that's what everybody else does. But rather than their "Experts Say" headline from CNN, they think that the person who's actually curious just listened to some random podcast and that's why they have their opinion.

You say things like mRNA collects in ovaries as though you've done clinical research and published many research papers on this or have been in a laboratory for the last 24 months and qualified the findings of your peers.

You assess the risk of a woman based on photos/video and pretend to know her medical situation and say whether she should get a rushed-to-public vaccine based on a less than favorable body mass index and literally nothing else.

Speaking in such like I like you call it: "vague detail" one has to believe you're either a licensed professional or have a PhD in some biological science and there's no need to qualify anything you've said because you've already published the work behind your opinions.

It's reckless to give such advice if you're literally a know-nothing which is at least 95% of us in the world who've only read a few articles and watched some videos. Most of us are too stupid to even understand a published clinical research paper even though most of the info is accessible to the public. Most of us also have no ability to test the theories published in such papers either.

But maybe you are a true member of the scientific/medical community and my comments are all for naught.

[ZenMaster]

unfortunately, none of these doctors get any press or mainstream attention so questions remain up in the air.

Well, e.g nothing is stopping the doctor in the Rogan video from saying himsel that what we know about Myocarditis and Covid is only associated with past strains, and that's it's probably way less with Omikron considering the vaaaaaaast majority of both vaccianted and unvaccinated only suffer from sniffles and a bit of fatigue.

It's interesting too how that one doctor points about a high level researcher who was OK with giving his kids two injections, but not booster.
I've seen this quite a bit from people within the medical field - or doctors who are OK with themselves taking the vaccine, but not their kids - and it would indicate that there is something with the vaccines that you don't want to get too much of. I've never seen this mentioned about vaccines in the past except from anti vaxxers, but I might have not just been paying attention.

[diamenz]

From what I remember. He's human, he's very knowledgeable, much more knowledgeable than the majority. But for me he's also an example of don't put all of your eggs in one basket. He says that he thinks young people should get one dose. That's very reasonable given the evidence. Chances of developing myocarditis increases with every dose. But as a human he might not be aware of the concept that many others "scientist," "experts," whatever you want to call them. Like Robert Malone, see evidence that people who are vaccinated are more likely to catch the Omicron. Because the immune system has been expecting a particular type of opponent, but getting something different. T Cell memory and all that BS. You don't vaccinate someone with a flu shot from two years ago, for this year's version. Etc. So what's the point in a healthy young person getting vaccinated for the Omicron.

Again, he's very knowledgeable, and there's value in that. I would listen nonstop to his interpretation of myorcaditis data on the issue. But in that knowledge, he's just a human with limited time, and so his focus is going to miss many of the aspects that I find interesting about this whole thing. He's not going to consider censoring, not just of Joe Rogan like they talked, but the censoring of anyone who's vaccine injured. What about the fact that Maddie de Garay was listed as a stomach ache. I'm sure knowledge of that would affect his overall big picture. So if he's not aware of it, it' not going to factor in to his saying it's ok to vaccinate young people with one dose.

interesting. that's fair enough, jstern.

[tpols]

Get a social life and you wouldn't even need these toilet researcher studies LMAO - people DO just up and die from Covid. People you'd think were healthy, people you'd think should've and guaranteed would've lived another 20-30+ years. That's a long time man, they didn't have one foot in the grave. Is it common? No of course not most people of course survive but at this point I know of about a dozen within just 2 years which is like 4 times the number of people I've known to die in a car accident in my entire 35 year lifetime. I know of ZERO people who died from the vaccine and also in my entire life I know of zero people who've ever died of an actual cold or flu. And in this 3rd wave it was all the unvaxxed people in everyone's social circles going to the hospital and/or dying. Vaccinated people were getting sick, but had cold like symptoms on average by comparison. I would hear of coworkers with relatives in ERs and as mentioned some died - every single one having so much trouble as to be hospitalized was unvaccinated. Didn't hear of a single instance of a vaccinated person winding up in the ER in that same timeframe. The overwhelming majority that got REALLY sick didn't have the vaccine.

Go figure.

I don't need the CDC to tell me jack shit nor your armchair podcasters pretending to be experts and honestly you shouldn't either unless you live in bum**** nowhere and don't even have a social circle to speak of. It's not that hard to count - no need for outside information at this point.


Dr. Robert Malone is an armchair podcaster? He was a leading research developer of mRNA technology at its inception. This is one of the most untruthful posts I've ever seen. You're admitting you derive your whole global mindset for the issue on your "social circle" which is a joke sample size even if you're the most popular guy of all time.

[BurningHammer]

Dr. Robert Malone is an armchair podcaster? He was a leading research developer of mRNA technology at its inception. This is one of the most untruthful posts I've ever seen. You're admitting you derive your whole global mindset for the issue on your "social circle" which is a joke sample size even if you're the most popular guy of all time.

Then he has gone 180 on mRNA for the subject he is well-known for.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

It sounds like Dr. Malone has been salty he didn't get the recognition he thinks he deserves when he isn't the only researcher in early days mRNA pioneer. Kinda feel bad for him, I guess. :ohwell:

[jstern]

You say things like mRNA collects in ovaries as though you've done clinical research and published many research papers on this or have been in a laboratory for the last 24 months and qualified the findings of your peers.

You assess the risk of a woman based on photos/video and pretend to know her medical situation and say whether she should get a rushed-to-public vaccine based on a less than favorable body mass index and literally nothing else.

Speaking in such like I like you call it: "vague detail" one has to believe you're either a licensed professional or have a PhD in some biological science and there's no need to qualify anything you've said because you've already published the work behind your opinions.

It's reckless to give such advice if you're literally a know-nothing which is at least 95% of us in the world who've only read a few articles and watched some videos. Most of us are too stupid to even understand a published clinical research paper even though most of the info is accessible to the public. Most of us also have no ability to test the theories published in such papers either.

But maybe you are a true member of the scientific/medical community and my comments are all for naught.

My original post was rushed, since I had to go. So certain things sounded more rude towards the woman than it should have. The point was that if you're of a certain demographic, don't take the risk.

Perhaps, like the majority of people, you are not aware that 30% of all Covid deaths are of people 85 years and older. And that the average Covid death is higher than the average natural life expectancy. And that the average Covid death has 3 comorbidities. The average person is going to think that everybody has an equal chance. But since I'm so used to knowing these figures, I assume, or proceed as if everybody knows it, and so it might sound insulting. (Example: Me saying that you don't just die of Covid.)

There's an insane amount of data that branches out into dozens of topics. The Corona and deaths is a tiny portion of it. From the censoring, to even how academic papers and trials are run for all drugs. It's just a whole big scam that's extremely hard to belief. Because to understand, it requires interest and the ability to comprehend a large amount of data. And not in one sitting.

I just don't say things. Speaking of Robert Malone, I was going to post a thread about something that he said, here on ISH, months before I or anyone knew who he was. It was very compelling. But I didn't post it because if you Googled his name to find out who he was, all the top websites made him sound like a mentally ill homeless guy who is delusional and thinks he's a virologist. It would have been too much of a worthless uphill battle when the ISH vaccine people Googled his name. The things he said would have been discredited, dismissed. (Look at the previous post. No talk about any of the things he's talked about, the logic and deep explanations behind it, and just an emotional, "He's just salty because he's not getting credit.")

I also knew about Ivermectin long before Axe started talking about it, but I would never talk about it, until months later when I got a good sense of it.

The same thing with these vaccines and the Corona, people were here arguing about it for over year before I joined the conversation. Because unless I'm very familiar with the topic, I'm just not going to talk about it.

[Cleverness]

What type of mitigation was worthy?

We've experienced about ~21+ months of gov't restrictions and we'll spend trillions of dollars using/enforcing the following NPIs:

-mass testing
-tracing
-stay-at-home orders
-business restrictions
-school closures
-mask mandates
-travel bans
-vaccine passports/requirements (In case you're not aware, some of the vaccine requirements including going to restaurants, traveling into the US, going to sporting events & concerts, attending a school, and employment.)

How many infections have each of those NPIs prevented so far?

Although I answered his (strange) question, Hiphop still hasn't responded... but "beasted" sounds like he thinks knows what he's talking about. Beasted, care to answer?

[beasted]

My original post was rushed, since I had to go. So certain things sounded more rude towards the woman than it should have. The point was that if you're of a certain demographic, don't take the risk.

Perhaps, like the majority of people, you are not aware that 30% of all Covid deaths are of people 85 years and older. And that the average Covid death is higher than the average natural life expectancy. And that the average Covid death has 3 comorbidities. The average person is going to think that everybody has an equal chance. But since I'm so used to knowing these figures, I assume, or proceed as if everybody knows it, and so it might sound insulting. (Example: Me saying that you don't just die of Covid.)

There's an insane amount of data that branches out into dozens of topics. The Corona and deaths is a tiny portion of it. From the censoring, to even how academic papers and trials are run for all drugs. It's just a whole big scam that's extremely hard to belief. Because to understand, it requires interest and the ability to comprehend a large amount of data. And not in one sitting.

I just don't say things. Speaking of Robert Malone, I was going to post a thread about something that he said, here on ISH, months before I or anyone knew who he was. It was very compelling. But I didn't post it because if you Googled his name to find out who he was, all the top websites made him sound like a mentally ill homeless guy who is delusional and thinks he's a virologist. It would have been too much of a worthless uphill battle when the ISH vaccine people Googled his name. The things he said would have been discredited, dismissed. (Look at the previous post. No talk about any of the things he's talked about, the logic and deep explanations behind it, and just an emotional, "He's just salty because he's not getting credit.")

I also knew about Ivermectin long before Axe started talking about it, but I would never talk about it, until months later when I got a good sense of it.

The same thing with these vaccines and the Corona, people were here arguing about it for over year before I joined the conversation. Because unless I'm very familiar with the topic, I'm just not going to talk about it.

All I'm reading here is everything you know, but not seeing anything what you don't know. Nearly everything you've posted is framed with certainty. Everyone who claims to know it all is usually a know-nothing. No offense, just due diligence for people who will blindly follow your opinions.

[jstern]

All I'm reading here is everything you know, but not seeing anything what you don't know. Nearly everything you've posted is framed with certainty. Everyone who claims to know it all is usually a know-nothing. No offense, just due diligence for people who will blindly follow your opinions.

You will never know everything I know, unless you were telepathic. Just like you will never know everything I learned, or anybody else learned during a semester of a Chemistry or Biology or any random college class. That cannot be done in a couple of posts, it's too much content, way too many hours. That's why a person has to do their own research and verification.

Another thing, if it sounds as though I'm saying something with certainty, you could verify it yourself. But instead it seems as though that's not an option that you're aware of, so from your perspective you think I'm just mentioning willy nilly opinions. That's not good.

I can't be referencing everything I post, but I'll try to do one quickly.

Why did it sound as though I'm certain that 30% of Covid deaths are of people 85 years an older? Because it's a fact that you can look up. In the past I used to get the numbers using a calculator, calculating all deaths 85+ years divided by total deaths. And then calculate what percentage of the population is over 85 years old. So you have to dig deep to find stuff.

https://images2.imgbox.com/44/78/GC4PTMWd_o.png

It's a little lower now, like around 29%.

[Overdrive]

Dr. Robert Malone is an armchair podcaster? He was a leading research developer of mRNA technology at its inception. This is one of the most untruthful posts I've ever seen. You're admitting you derive your whole global mindset for the issue on your "social circle" which is a joke sample size even if you're the most popular guy of all time.

Anecdotal evidence is basically all the antivaxxers got and now you attack the same mindset? Large scale numbers show that the desease is 10^× times more dangerous than the vaccine for any age group.

[beasted]

You will never know everything I know, unless you were telepathic. Just like you will never know everything I learned, or anybody else learned during a semester of a Chemistry or Biology or any random college class. That cannot be done in a couple of posts, it's too much content, way too many hours. That's why a person has to do their own research and verification.

Another thing, if it sounds as though I'm saying something with certainty, you could verify it yourself. But instead it seems as though that's not an option that you're aware of, so from your perspective you think I'm just mentioning willy nilly opinions. That's not good.

I can't be referencing everything I post, but I'll try to do one quickly.

Why did it sound as though I'm certain that 30% of Covid deaths are of people 85 years an older? Because it's a fact that you can look up. In the past I used to get the numbers using a calculator, calculating all deaths 85+ years divided by total deaths. And then calculate what percentage of the population is over 85 years old. So you have to dig deep to find stuff.

https://images2.imgbox.com/44/78/GC4PTMWd_o.png

It's a little lower now, like around 29%.

Help me understand why I would trust the "big pharma" data of the CDC when it comes to deaths, but not the "big pharma" data of the CDC on vaccine safety and efficacy? Why are we cherry picking?

I don't mind anyone having any opinion on anything. Choosing what sources to trust, who not to trust, or having conspiracy theories. We just all need to keep consistent energy. Not feel-like energy.

[jstern]

Help me understand why I would trust the "big pharma" data of the CDC when it comes to deaths, but not the "big pharma" data of the CDC on vaccine safety and efficacy? Why are we cherry picking?

I don't mind anyone having any opinion on anything. Choosing what sources to trust, who not to trust, or having conspiracy theories. We just all need to keep consistent energy. Not feel-like energy.

I can't believe this question. It shows such black and white thinking. The fact that you think it's cherry picking. The CDC gets death data from sources that's available to everyone. It's very difficult for them to hide the numbers, other than by dictating what counts as a Covid death. But you're not going to see the CDC, Joe Biden, or anyone in the main stream media talking, mentioning anything about 30% of Covid deaths are of people 85 years and older, or that the average Covid deaths has an average of 3+ cormorbidities.

The way you think seems to involve picking and choosing side, or a particular person to just believe. And then you project your particular way of thinking into others. Rather than looking at everything. You're assuming that what you do is what others do.

In my previous post I mentioned that you assumed that I willy nilly said that 30% of Corona deaths are a tiny group of the population, the 85+ year olds. Because you don't have a concept of actually looking into things. If I said it, then it's an opinion. There is absolutely no such thing as actually looking up the data. From your perspective it seems that that's just not an option, a reality at all. Your way of being, so you project that everything is random opinions. It seems like you have no concept of anything else.

Why wouldn't you trust the data of big pharma on the vaccine safety. Again, that's for you to look up and determine for yourself. I hate to say it but that would require hours, and your ability to reason things out for yourself. Not hours at one time, but cumulative hours over the course of months. Little by little. There are thousands of little things to consider. For example, one little thing is Maddie de Garay and her family of vaccine cucks. Why would Pfizer list her symptoms as a stomach ache? What would happen if her symptoms were not listed as a stomach ache in the results of the final trial for kids 12 years and younger. Would it mean that they would not get emergency use authorization to vaccinate kids, and thus lose out on tens of billions of dollars? Why is it so important to vaccinate kids when a sample of 48,000 HEALTHY kids that had Covid resulted in 0 deaths?

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I can't believe this question. It shows such black and white thinking. The fact that you think it's cherry picking. The CDC gets death data from sources that's available to everyone. It's very difficult for them to hide the numbers, other than by dictating what counts as a Covid death. But you're not going to see the CDC, Joe Biden, or anyone in the main stream media talking, mentioning anything about 30% of Covid deaths are of people 85 years and older, or that the average Covid deaths has an average of 3+ cormorbidities.

The way you think seems to involve picking and choosing side, or a particular person to just believe. And then you project your particular way of thinking into others. Rather than looking at everything. You're assuming that what you do is what others do.

In my previous post I mentioned that you assumed that I willy nilly said that 30% of Corona deaths are a tiny group of the population, the 85+ year olds. Because you don't have a concept of actually looking into things. If I said it, then it's an opinion. There is absolutely no such thing as actually looking up the data. From your perspective it seems that that's just not an option, a reality at all. Your way of being, so you project that everything is random opinions. It seems like you have no concept of anything else.

Why wouldn't you trust the data of big pharma on the vaccine safety. Again, that's for you to look up and determine for yourself. I hate to say it but that would require hours, and your ability to reason things out for yourself. Not hours at one time, but cumulative hours over the course of months. Little by little. There are thousands of little things to consider. For example, one little thing is Maddie de Garay and her family of vaccine cucks. Why would Pfizer list her symptoms as a stomach ache? What would happen if her symptoms were not listed as a stomach ache in the results of the final trial for kids 12 years and younger. Would it mean that they would not get emergency use authorization to vaccinate kids, and thus lose out on tens of billions of dollars? Why is it so important to vaccinate kids when a sample of 48,000 HEALTHY kids that had Covid resulted in 0 deaths?

Nice way to dodge. The CDC is an organization. Their research centers evaluate the research done by others on masks/vaccines/epidemiology. Just like they tabulate the death counts reported by others.

They aren't holding their own clinical trials, just like they don't send their own scientists to the morgue to conduct mortality reasons. They're basically an information collection and vetting agency. So if I can't trust their vaccine advice, I can't trust their mask advice, I shouldn't trust any information they're providing. Your logic makes little to no sense. If I'm a Democrat and I don't trust Trump, even if he said the sky is blue I'm going to be extremely cautious and go crack a window and look for myself just to be sure. Instead you accept what you want at face value because it fits an agenda and you discard what you want. I'm an idealist so everything is always black or white.

You've answered all of my questions and made your intentions clear to everyone which was the original reason for my reply. Nobody needs to be right or wrong here. Good day.