is the joe biden THE MOST ineffectual president of the modern era?

[diamenz]

i don't even think it's objectively debatable at this point. speaking strictly from an effectual standpoint... his god awful basement behind the scenes strategy, his lack of use of the bully pulpit to get bills through and put democratic party members in check, his inability to deliver or even just simply acknowledge & communicate to the american people that he recognizes what they're concerned about. it's not f***ing voting rights, it's the economy and inflation and covid fatigue.

i don't think there could have been a worse person for the job at this unprecedented time in our country, nobody that i can think of anyway. if you've got an argument, i'd love to hear it. midterms and 2024 are going to be so f***ing entertaining.

[diamenz]

Biden is incompetent.

But let’s not pretend like trump would have tackled inflation any better. Those stimulus checks under his term jump started the inflation crisis were in right now. We’d be fvcked with anyone else in office as well. Only difference is Patrick chewing would be crying about the media treating him unfairly rather than making all these allegations about Biden citing obscure sources.

i can't say i know much about economics, but 2k worth of stimulus checks i don't believe could have sparked or worsened inflation in any kind of a significant way. the inflation that we're seeing right now has been a long time in the making and is a culmination of multiple things such as reckless spending on a higher level than those checks.

jstern and i will have to get back to you on the specifics and further elaboration regarding that, though.

[Off the Court]

I honestly think that given the "Great Divide" and the insane political climate it is in our best interests to have a POTUS that is mostly hidden and not adding fuel to the fire. "Time heals all wounds" is real and Biden will give us the 4 years we need of a relatively drama free POTUS. If we are being honest there is absolutely nothing he could say to win over conservatives, they are let's go Brandon for life. If all the drama he gives us are old man gaffs and fumbling words I'm good with that.

[diamenz]

I honestly think that given the "Great Divide" and the insane political climate it is in our best interests to have a POTUS that is mostly hidden and not adding fuel to the fire. "Time heals all wounds" is real and Biden will give us the 4 years we need of a relatively drama free POTUS. If we are being honest there is absolutely nothing he could say to win over conservatives, they are let's go Brandon for life. If all the drama he gives us are old man gaffs and fumbling words I'm good with that.

there is nothing divisive about speaking to the public about economic issues that we're all facing. as long as he stays away from the culture war nonsense, there's only everything to be gained on his part.

if he were at all wise, he would take an approach similar to fdr with his fireside chats letting the american people know that he recognizes their concerns and what he's doing to address them.i

...but like highway put it perfectly, he's incompetent.

[Patrick Chewing]

ok, trump did not jumpstart it, but he added fuel to the fire with the amount of spending he signed off on.

jstern can suck it from the back.

The shutdowns are what started it. Like, how do you shut down a country? An economy? So stupid. The stimulus checks were actually inconsequential. If anything, the stimulus checks contributed to the common worker not going back to work. Every company in the country it seems needs help at the moment.

[j3lademaster]

We need a younger candidate, not out-of-touch boomers one after another. I’m not the greatest tech guy out there but holy shit.


https://youtu.be/ncbb5B85sd0

This is what we put in place to check big tech.

[Off the Court]

there is nothing divisive about speaking to the public about economic issues that we're all facing.
We aren't "all" facing issues though. And from certain angles this economy looks amazing. Record high stock markets and more jobs than ever before. Unemployment claims are the lowest since the 60s.

And inflation is a very mixed bag for everyone. If you're a homeowner then inflation has made your net worth sky rocket. Certain sectors like the hospitality industry have seen wages grow much higher than inflation. And yes inflation has impacted others in a very negative way as well but it isn't an issue that is hitting the entire population the same.

Has inflation impacted your own life? If inflation hasn't impacted your life in a meaningful way you should ask yourself if you actually care about that debate or are just looking to play tribal politics. Because most lashing out on the internet are the latter.

[bladefd]

i don't even think it's objectively debatable at this point. speaking strictly from an effectual standpoint... his god awful basement behind the scenes strategy, his lack of use of the bully pulpit to get bills through and put democratic party members in check, his inability to deliver or even just simply acknowledge & communicate to the american people that he recognizes what they're concerned about. it's not f***ing voting rights, it's the economy and inflation and covid fatigue.

i don't think there could have been a worse person for the job at this unprecedented time in our country, nobody that i can think of anyway. if you've got an argument, i'd love to hear it. midterms and 2024 are going to be so f***ing entertaining.

Biden is like that soft-spoken grandpa who gets pushed around and used by everyone because he is too nice. It doesn't work when you are trying to govern.

Teddy Roosevelt had a famous quote on leadership. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Don't just let people take advantage of you. There are times in life when you have to push back. If you don't, people will keep using you for their gain and trample all over you. And I'm not saying Biden should begin to bully people, but you just have to respond & respond with a firm hand. Although, it's probably too late now. I think people like Manchin/sinema know they can push Biden around so even if Biden were to get harsh now, it's too late.

[diamenz]

We aren't "all" facing issues though. And from certain angles this economy looks amazing. Record high stock markets and more jobs than ever before. Unemployment claims are the lowest since the 60s.

And inflation is a very mixed bag for everyone. If you're a homeowner then inflation has made your net worth sky rocket. Certain sectors like the hospitality industry have seen wages grow much higher than inflation. And yes inflation has impacted others in a very negative way as well but it isn't an issue that is hitting the entire population the same.

Has inflation impacted your own life? If inflation hasn't impacted your life in a meaningful way you should ask yourself if you actually care about that debate or are just looking to play tribal politics. Because most lashing out on the internet are the latter.

groceries, gas and heat? yeah, i'd say so.

if you take stock of every other post around this subforum and come to the conclusion that i'm playing red vs blue then shit, i dunno what to tell you.

[diamenz]

Biden is like that soft-spoken grandpa who gets pushed around and used by everyone because he is too nice. It doesn't work when you are trying to govern.

Teddy Roosevelt had a famous quote on leadership. Speak softly but carry a big stick. Don't just let people take advantage of you. There are times in life when you have to push back. If you don't, people will keep using you for their gain and trample all over you. And I'm not saying Biden should begin to bully people, but you just have to respond & respond with a firm hand. Although, it's probably too late now. I think people like Manchin/sinema know they can push Biden around so even if Biden were to get harsh now, it's too late.

yeah, i agree.

[bladefd]

i can't say i know much about economics, but 2k worth of stimulus checks i don't believe could have sparked or worsened inflation in any kind of a significant way. the inflation that we're seeing right now has been a long time in the making and is a culmination of multiple things such as reckless spending on a higher level than those checks.

jstern and i will have to get back to you on the specifics and further elaboration regarding that, though.

It was a number of things coming together at once that you could say led to the current inflation situation..

I am sure the checks had a noticeable impact (especially concerning the deficit and debt-to-gdp ratio), but there were even bigger causes. The shutdowns, massive treasury department balance sheets to keep the stock market & economy from plummeting, supply unable to meet demand issues coming out of the shutdowns, and I'm sure there was also the factor of the market trying to capitalize (profit) off covid as an excuse. Mix them all up together, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Some of those issues are being worked on. There won't be another check, shutdowns are over with, treasury department has been actively slashing the balance sheets since like November, supply is on the rise & will hopefully soon meet the demand. The last one of companies trying to profit off of covid is difficult to solve through legislative so hopefully capitalism will slowly make it unprofitable to overprice things - competition tends to be key in bringing down the costs when there is no reason to keep them that high. Again, you can't legislate this one or control it from the government's perspective.

I would give it a little bit of time. Effects are not instantaneous and take time to propagate through to eventually the prices on the label.

[Off the Court]

groceries, gas and heat? yeah, i'd say so.

if you take stock of every other post around this subforum and come to the conclusion that i'm playing red vs blue then shit, i dunno what to tell you.
You are definitely one of the less tribal posters here I'll give you that and it is the only reason I'm able to respond in here with an actual answer. If this were Patrick's thread he would be getting an update on Matthew Perry from me. But we all have biases and leanings it is human nature. I know I do, and I have to try and keep myself in check at times. It's easy to get wrapped up in tribal politics no matter who you are or where your political leanings are. Those who are spending their day focusing on Aunt Jemima's picture are lost in it because that has no meaningful affect on us. And inflation can be similar to that. Because of inflation we have a very large percentage of adults who are millionaires now, and some of those millionaires are on Twitter acting as though inflation is ruining their lives because it isn't about inflation for them it's about getting Biden.

[bladefd]

The shutdowns are what started it. Like, how do you shut down a country? An economy? So stupid. The stimulus checks were actually inconsequential. If anything, the stimulus checks contributed to the common worker not going back to work. Every company in the country it seems needs help at the moment.

Well, the shutdowns were global and not just in the USA. A lot of countries are trying to return to normal from before the shutdowns. Even if we didn't shutdown, most of the world did so we would not be much better off if we individually didn't shutdown. We import a lot of our goods, raw or manufactured, so we would have still been significantly impacted. A bit less, yes, but not significantly less.

[j3lademaster]

Because of inflation we have a very large percentage of adults who are millionaires now, and some of those millionaires are on Twitter acting as though inflation is ruining their lives because it isn't about inflation for them it's about getting Biden.I completely agree.

But seriously, what's the Matthew Perry thing about? Why specifically him?

[Off the Court]

I completely agree.

But seriously, what's the Matthew Perry thing about? Why specifically him?

:lol Not long ago Chewing made a thread about how the tabloids are attacking Perry over his appearance here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497925-Tabloids-still-giving-Matthew-Perry-shit-over-his-appearance). And now I am committed to never letting Chewing forget the important news he shared with us that day.

[diamenz]

"I did not anticipate that there'd be such a stalwart effort to make sure that the most important thing was that President Biden didn't get anything done," Biden said in a press conference on Wednesday, marking his first year in office.

:roll:

see what the f*** i mean? this man truly believed that republicans would have some sort of an epiphany once the big bad orange man was gone and reach their hands out in good graces to work with joe and the democrats. unbelievable this guy! he must have forgotten about his eight year stint as vp when republicans completely stone walled the obama agenda.

imagine trump complaining about how congressional democrats aren't getting on board with his wall. :hammerhead:

unreal, man.

[Off the Court]

:roll:

see what the f*** i mean? this man truly believed that republicans would have some sort of an epiphany once the big bad orange man was gone and reach their hands out in good graces to work with joe and the democrats. unbelievable this guy! he must have forgotten about his eight year stint as vp when republicans completely stone walled the obama agenda.

imagine trump complaining about how congressional democrats aren't getting on board with his wall. :hammerhead:

unreal, man.

They are and it's only the 1st year of Biden. But Americans don't want Biden either and pretty much everyone who voted for him just did so to get Trump out. Most of the population wants to move on to something new and fresh.

Over 70% of Americans want to see neither Joe Biden nor Donald Trump on the ballot in 2024. (https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-americans-dont-want-a-biden-trump-rematch-in-2024-2022-1)

I think the only way that Biden could possibly win in 2024 is if Trump is his opponent. If the GOP throws out literally anyone else that person will beat Biden quite easily. Although that is still 3 years away and there is no telling what will happen in that time frame. Maybe covid will have vanished. Maybe lots of mass shootings. Who knows.

[j3lademaster]

They are and it's only the 1st year of Biden. But Americans don't want Biden either and pretty much everyone who voted for him just did so to get Trump out. Most of the population wants to move on to something new and fresh.

Over 70% of Americans want to see neither Joe Biden nor Donald Trump on the ballot in 2024. (https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-americans-dont-want-a-biden-trump-rematch-in-2024-2022-1)

I think the only way that Biden could possibly win in 2024 is if Trump is his opponent. If the GOP throws out literally anyone else that person will beat Biden quite easily. Although that is still 3 years away and there is no telling what will happen in that time frame. Maybe covid will have vanished. Maybe lots of mass shootings. Who knows.I just want to see younger people in there. The problem with most voters is that they just want to go with a familiar name- the devil you know. It's why Mitch McConnell keeps winning Kentucky. But we need new blood, these dinosaurs can't hang, especially career politicians who don't even bother to update their knowledge.

It's also weird that Biden voted with Bush on most policies, and the Bush supporters from the early 2000's hate him?

[bladefd]

I just want to see younger people in there. The problem with most voters is that they just want to go with a familiar name- the devil you know. It's why Mitch McConnell keeps winning Kentucky. But we need new blood, these dinosaurs can't hang, especially career politicians who don't even bother to update their knowledge.

It's also weird that Biden voted with Bush on most policies, and the Bush supporters from the early 2000's hate him?

That's what I liked about Andrew yang. Younger, had good ideas on things like technology and innovations, etc. I just don't think he has the president personality unfortunately. Pete buttigieg has presidential personality and smarts, but I don't trust him to pull away from his wall street connections - he is too closely in bed with corporations. I don't know who else could be an option..

[SouBeachTalents]

They are and it's only the 1st year of Biden. But Americans don't want Biden either and pretty much everyone who voted for him just did so to get Trump out. Most of the population wants to move on to something new and fresh.

Over 70% of Americans want to see neither Joe Biden nor Donald Trump on the ballot in 2024. (https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-americans-dont-want-a-biden-trump-rematch-in-2024-2022-1)

I think the only way that Biden could possibly win in 2024 is if Trump is his opponent. If the GOP throws out literally anyone else that person will beat Biden quite easily. Although that is still 3 years away and there is no telling what will happen in that time frame. Maybe covid will have vanished. Maybe lots of mass shootings. Who knows.
I just find it funny how we continue to make so many predictions and proclamations of what will happen 3 years from now, when over the last few election cycles completely unexpected events have occurred.

In 2005 almost nobody would've predicted Barack Obama would be the next president. In 2013 NOBODY would've predicted Donald Trump would be the next president :lol And even going back 2 years ago, when at the end of 2019 Trump looked like he was in great position to be reelected. Then covid hit, and in a matter of weeks we were in an unprecedented lockdown absolutely no voters could've seen coming at the end of 2019.

All this to say, we don't have a god damn clue about what's going to happen in 2024. We don't know if Biden will even be the nominee, if Trump will really run again, or what other unforeseen events will play out. Our next president could be somebody nobody's even talking about right now.

[j3lademaster]

That's what I liked about Andrew yang. Younger, had good ideas on things like technology and innovations, etc. I just don't think he has the president personality unfortunately. Pete buttigieg has presidential personality and smarts, but I don't trust him to pull away from his wall street connections - he is too closely in bed with corporations. I don't know who else could be an option..i was behind Yang, too. He had good ideas like opt in universal healthcare and hes right, congress is 30 years behind potential automation thats just around the corner. When 20 million truck drivers lose their jobs overnight we’ll see real economic problems.

[bladefd]

i was behind Yang, too. He had good ideas like opt in universal healthcare and hes right, congress is 30 years behind potential automation thats just around the corner. When 20 million truck drivers lose their jobs overnight we’ll see real economic problems.

Pete's personality with Yang's ideas would be a powerful candidate. I don't think there is anyone like that though afaik lol

[Rocket]

Biden is only a puppet. He is not the one calling the shots. The man clearly has dementia. I would almost feel sorry for him for the mockery they are making of him if he was not such an truly awful person prior to the dementia. The man is clearly a pedophile who took showers with his daughter. That is just sick.

[diamenz]

Biden is only a puppet. He is not the one calling the shots. The man clearly has dementia. I would almost feel sorry for him for the mockery they are making of him if he was not such an truly awful person prior to the dementia. The man is clearly a pedophile who took showers with his daughter. That is just sick.

every president is a puppet. the foundation for debate and policy is established well before any president gets into office and the bought-off system contracts and expands as it sees fit according to the interests of the super rich.

[diamenz]

Pete's personality with Yang's ideas would be a powerful candidate. I don't think there is anyone like that though afaik lol

pete's personality? yeah, NO. pete's personality in a nutshell is 'hey, i'm gay - elect me'!

policy? i can't name a politician that speaks in broader generalizations than he does.

the only non-corporate owned democrat i can think of that would make for a good president in this particular moment would be ro khanna. he'd never make it though, and even if he did, he'd get stonewalled by both sides of congress on anything and everything.

[bladefd]

pete's personality? yeah, NO. pete's personality in a nutshell is 'hey, i'm gay - elect me'!

policy? i can't name a politician that speaks in broader generalizations than he does.

the only non-corporate owned democrat i can think of that would make for a good president in this particular moment would be ro khanna. he'd never make it though, and even if he did, he'd get stonewalled by both sides of congress on anything and everything.

Have you seen him talk? He is a good public speaker and charismatic. That is what I was referring to. He is well-spoken and usually calm. He has the presidential personality but missing everything else.

Policy stuff.. Yeah, Pete is lacking there as I already mentioned. That is why I brought up yang, although yang is talking from a fairly high-level scope too. Yang has good ideas, but I think they might be difficult to translate into actual policy.

I like ro Khanna too. Mentioned him before couple times, but I think he would have a tough road yes. He is not a particularly good for responding on the fly if he is called out by another candidate. I think he would get pushed around.

[Patrick Chewing]

Have you seen him talk? He is a good public speaker and charismatic. That is what I was referring to. He is well-spoken and usually calm. He has the presidential personality but missing everything else.

Policy stuff.. Yeah, Pete is lacking there as I already mentioned. That is why I brought up yang, although yang is talking from a fairly high-level scope too. Yang has good ideas, but I think they might be difficult to translate into actual policy.

I like ro Khanna too. Mentioned him before couple times, but I think he would have a tough road yes. He is not a particularly good for responding on the fly if he is called out by another candidate. I think he would get pushed around.

But he's a rim raider. Nobody wants a tinkerbelle in office. Anyone can speak well and do absolutely nothing once elected into office. Look at Obama.

[warriorfan]

pete's personality? yeah, NO. pete's personality in a nutshell is 'hey, i'm gay - elect me'!

policy? i can't name a politician that speaks in broader generalizations than he does.

the only non-corporate owned democrat i can think of that would make for a good president in this particular moment would be ro khanna. he'd never make it though, and even if he did, he'd get stonewalled by both sides of congress on anything and everything.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[j3lademaster]

But he's a rim raider. Nobody wants a tinkerbelle in office. Anyone can speak well and do absolutely nothing once elected into office. Look at Obama.I actually don’t care that he’s gay. I would prefer if he mentioned it less, he has a top tier resume as a vet and a harvard/oxford grad.

He should have stuck to copying off the Asian’s test paper


https://youtu.be/u59yLdbHack

[Rocket]

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[Axe]

They couldn't impeach him despite the 'incompetence'. :confusedshrug:

[Rocket]

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