Weak teams win East & Lebron sucks in West without AD, so when did Lebron carry teams

[3ba11]

Is the best example when Mo's spacing effect added 21 wins to Lebron's 45-win loser?.. Is that the best example?

Otherwise, when did he successfully carry teams (bed-wetting teammates) over meaningful opposition in a series? (top 5 SRS opponent or Finals opponent)

[Axe]

Kobe never won a title until he had a great coach.

[3ba11]

Kobe never won a title until he had a great coach.


Lebron had many great coaches that were COY or HOF, including Spolestra, Blatt, Brown, and Lue

Meanwhile, Phil was built by MJ (MJ was the goat candidate before Phil) and infact overrated.. The triangle needs consistent, QUICK bailouts throughout the game, which only MJ or his clone could provide - Phil has no rings without MJ or his clone

[Axe]

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In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs vs the Pacers LeBron James accounted for 35% of the Cavs total points, rebounds and assists.

Also In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers, LeBron James won a playoff series without any teammate scoring 20 points in any of the games for the first time in his career.

In Game 7 of the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers, LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 45 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 steals in a Game 7.

In-Game 2 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Toronto Raptors, LeBron James became the first player in NBA History to have at least 42 points, 8 rebounds, and 14 assists in a Playoff Game. Since then, Luka Doncic has also done it in the 2021 Playoffs.

Most Points in a Game 7 Win in NBA Playoff History:
1. Sam Jones (1963) - 47 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 45 Points

Most Points on the Road in a Game 7 Win to Advance to the Finals in NBA Playoff History:
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 35 Points
T1. Shaquille O’Neal (2002) - 35 Points


Players to Lead Both Teams Outright in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a Game 7 in NBA Playoff History:
•LeBron James - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals
•Jayson Tatum - 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals
•Larry Bird - 1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals



In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James had:
•8 of the 13 highest scoring games
•9 of the 25 highest assisting games
•8 of the 26 highest rebounding games

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James scored or assisted on 55.4 PPG through the Eastern Conference Playoffs, which was the most he has ever had in all of his 10 finals runs.


LeBron James had 612 points in the first 18 games of the 2018 Playoffs, which was 34 PPG. That is tied with Michael Jordan in the 1992 Playoffs for the most PPG entering the Finals since 1970.

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run Entering NBA Finals in NBA Playoff History:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 612 Points
2. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 594 Points
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 591 Points
4. Michael Jordan (1990) - 587 Points
5. Kevin Durant (2014) - 563 Points

Most PPG in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History minimum of 19 games :
1. Michael Jordan (1993) - 35.1 PPG
2. LeBron James (2018) - 34.9 PPG
3. Michael Jordan (1992) - 34.5 PPG
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 33.0 PPG

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History :
1. Michael Jordan (1992) - 759 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 748 Points
3. Kawhi Leonard (2019) - 732 Points
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 725 Points
5. Allen Iverson (2001) - 723 Points


Most 40 Point Games in a Single Postseason in NBA Playoff History
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 8
T1. Jerry West (1965) - 8
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 7

[3ba11]

Lebron beat three 0-star teams to make 2018 Finals





Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018 - a veteran, 2-star championship team against a bunch of 0-star teams in the East

When did Lebron carry the scoring load on the Finals level? (when did he defeat max defensive attention on the Finals level?)

When did Lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (when did he have carry-job against good team?)

[tpols]

In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs vs the Pacers LeBron James accounted for 35% of the Cavs total points, rebounds and assists.

Also In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers, LeBron James won a playoff series without any teammate scoring 20 points in any of the games for the first time in his career.

In Game 7 of the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers, LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 45 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 steals in a Game 7.

In-Game 2 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Toronto Raptors, LeBron James became the first player in NBA History to have at least 42 points, 8 rebounds, and 14 assists in a Playoff Game. Since then, Luka Doncic has also done it in the 2021 Playoffs.

Most Points in a Game 7 Win in NBA Playoff History:
1. Sam Jones (1963) - 47 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 45 Points

Most Points on the Road in a Game 7 Win to Advance to the Finals in NBA Playoff History:
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 35 Points
T1. Shaquille O’Neal (2002) - 35 Points


Players to Lead Both Teams Outright in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a Game 7 in NBA Playoff History:
•LeBron James - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals
•Jayson Tatum - 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals
•Larry Bird - 1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals



In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James had:
•8 of the 13 highest scoring games
•9 of the 25 highest assisting games
•8 of the 26 highest rebounding games

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James scored or assisted on 55.4 PPG through the Eastern Conference Playoffs, which was the most he has ever had in all of his 10 finals runs.


LeBron James had 612 points in the first 18 games of the 2018 Playoffs, which was 34 PPG. That is tied with Michael Jordan in the 1992 Playoffs for the most PPG entering the Finals since 1970.

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run Entering NBA Finals in NBA Playoff History:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 612 Points
2. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 594 Points
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 591 Points
4. Michael Jordan (1990) - 587 Points
5. Kevin Durant (2014) - 563 Points

Most PPG in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History minimum of 19 games :
1. Michael Jordan (1993) - 35.1 PPG
2. LeBron James (2018) - 34.9 PPG
3. Michael Jordan (1992) - 34.5 PPG
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 33.0 PPG

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History :
1. Michael Jordan (1992) - 759 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 748 Points
3. Kawhi Leonard (2019) - 732 Points
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 725 Points
5. Allen Iverson (2001) - 723 Points


Most 40 Point Games in a Single Postseason in NBA Playoff History
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 8
T1. Jerry West (1965) - 8
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 7

You're bragging about the veteran prime Cavaliers beating the victor Oladipo pacers and rookie Tatum Celtics. A team with a prime LeBron James and All Star Kevin Love beating teenagers.

Its just... unfathomable that you think stats matter in this context when that same team... when they faced one real opponent... got the doors blown off them.

Mark Twain I think said it best. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[TheCorporation]

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[3ba11]

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F'kin Axe?

No way.. Your Axe handle seems different.. smarter.. older

[Johnny32]

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

i like this one.

[3ba11]

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

i like this one.


When did he defeat maximum defensive attention on the highest level (when did he carry scoring load while winning a Finals)

When did he have carry-job against good team (when did he beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from sidekick)

[Johnny32]

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

i like this one.

oh and jordone of course could never.

[TheCorporation]

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

i like this one.

Bingo

[3ba11]

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

i like this one.


If you can't carry the scoring load, then can't defeat maximum defensive attention/burden and don't compare to MJ/Kobe, who carried the load on the highest level (Finals)

[Hey Yo]

You're bragging about the veteran prime Cavaliers beating the victor Oladipo pacers and rookie Tatum Celtics. A team with a prime LeBron James and All Star Kevin Love beating teenagers.

Its just... unfathomable that you think stats matter in this context when that same team... when they faced one real opponent... got the doors blown off them.

Mark Twain I think said it best. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

James playing in his 8th consecutive Finals. You cried about Curry fatigue even though he was 2nd option in 17,18, an 19.

Love missed games 6-7 of the 18 ECF.

Claiming a 15yr player, with that many miles, is still considered to be in his prime is quite dumb.

[3ba11]

James playing in his 8th consecutive Finals.





The East didn't require a good team to win it, yet Lebron had a veteran, 2-star champion team

You forget that Lebron couldn't win the East with home court advantage in 09' and 10' - so he formed super-teams to guarantee Finals trips in a conference that Dwight, Iverson and Kidd were winning by themselves.. Only after stacking the deck, did he begin his "Finals steak" (fraud)

[Hey Yo]

The East didn't require a good team to win it, yet Lebron had a veteran, 2-star champion team

You forget that Lebron couldn't win the East with home court advantage in 09' and 10' - so he formed super-teams to guarantee Finals trips in a conference that Dwight, Iverson and Kidd were winning by themselves.
That 2018 roster never won a title together.... more lies from you.

MJ had to quit after 3 consecutive Finals runs and only 7 consecutive seasons due to mental softness.

[tpols]

James playing in his 8th consecutive Finals. You cried about Curry fatigue even though he was 2nd option in 17,18, an 19.

Love missed games 6-7 of the 18 ECF.

Claiming a 15yr player, with that many miles, is still considered to be in his prime is quite dumb.

Wait... so you brag about 2018 being a GOAT statistical run... yet he wasn't in his prime. What?

Beating Oladipo, rookie tatum, and derozan is clown competition when you look at basketball history. You can't use numbers from that.

[PP34Deuce]

Melt down like a turkey melt. Eastern conference has some of the unhealthiest but tasty food! West a lil healthier. I prefer north carolina and Memphis food

[3ba11]

That 2018 roster never won a title together.... more lies from you.

MJ had to quit after 3 consecutive Finals runs and only 7 consecutive seasons due to mental softness.


Love was the best 2nd option in the conference and that Cavs team had been to 3 straight Finals

So they had a veteran, 2-star team that beat a bunch of 0-star teams.. Lebron's "decision" in 2011 set up this unfair, top-heavy conference.

Heck, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS and better than any team Lebron beat in the East, and Jordan beat them with a low seeded, lottery cast of bums

[Hey Yo]

Wait... so you brag about 2018 being a GOAT statistical run... yet he wasn't in his prime. What?

Beating Oladipo, rookie tatum, and derozan is clown competition when you look at basketball history. You can't use numbers from that.

I didn't bring up any statistical run. What other player was considered in their prime after completing their 15th consecutive season?

Look at his stats this year. Is he still in his prime in his 19th season at 37yrs old?

[Hey Yo]

Love was the best 2nd option in the conference and that Cavs team had been to 3 straight Finals

So they had a veteran, 2-star team that beat a bunch of 0-star teams.. Lebron's "decision" in 2011 set up this unfair, top-heavy conference.

Heck, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS and better than any team Lebron beat in the East, and Jordan beat them with a low seeded, lottery cast of bums
No.... that Cavs team hadn't. Why keep lying?

James made 8 consecutive Finals while MJ couldn't play more than 7 consecutive seasons without needing to load manage to rest up.

[3ba11]

No.... that Cavs team hadn't. Why keep lying?

James made 8 consecutive Finals while MJ couldn't play more than 7 consecutive seasons without needing to load manage to rest up.


The Cavs made the Finals from 15-17', so many of the players on the 18' team were Finals veterans and defending conference champs

No other team in the East had this caliber or even a 2nd star like Love

Ultimately, Lebron couldn't win the East with home court advantage in 09' and 10', so he formed super-teams to guarantee Finals trips even though Iverson, Kidd and Dwight won the conference by themselves... So Lebron's resume was nothing before the "decision" to stack the deck

[Johnny32]

speaking of 2018 has jordone ever won a series to make the finals where 4 of the 5 best players were on the opposing team like legoat did in the 18 ecf? i'm going to guess that's a negative.

[SouBeachTalents]

Love was the best 2nd option in the conference and that Cavs team had been to 3 straight Finals

So they had a veteran, 2-star team that beat a bunch of 0-star teams.. Lebron's "decision" in 2011 set up this unfair, top-heavy conference.

Heck, the 89' Cavs were #1 SRS and better than any team Lebron beat in the East, and Jordan beat them with a low seeded, lottery cast of bums
This is seriously not even CLOSE to being true :lol

Better question is, was he even top 5. Are you really taking Kevin Love over

Middleton
Beal
Lowry
Horford
Simmons

[Johnny32]

speaking of 2018 has jordone ever won a series to make the finals where 4 of the 5 best players were on the opposing team like legoat did in the 18 ecf? i'm going to guess that's a negative.

i just checked and the answer as expected is no.

91 - pippen was the second best player in the ecf
92 - pippen was the second best player in the ecf
93 - pippen was the third best player in the ecf
96 - pippen was the fourth best player in the ecf
97 - pippen was the second best player in the ecf
98 - pippen was the second best player in the ecf

[3ba11]

This is seriously not even CLOSE to being true :lol

Better question is, was he even top 5. Are you really taking Kevin Love over

Middleton
Beal
Lowry
Horford
Simmons


In 2018, Love was considered easily better than Middleton and all those guys.. The numbers and accolades bear this out

It's simply NOTHING to have a carry-job against a bunch of 0-star teams and non-top 5 SRS teams.. Who hasn't done that?.. Lebron simply benefitted by forming super-teams in a 0-star or 1-star team conference

[SouBeachTalents]

In 2018, Love was considered easily better than Middleton and all those guys.. The numbers and accolades bear this out

It's simply NOTHING to have a carry-job against a bunch of 0-star teams and non-top 5 SRS teams? Who hasn't done that?
In what capacity was he considered easily better? Most of those guys made the all-star game just like Love did, in addition to having comparable/superior numbers.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd bet most, if not all 5 of those guys had both better production and better advanced metrics than Love, or were at least comparable.

And guess what, if being considered better means anything, Pippen was considered one of the greatest players of his era making All-NBA 7x.

[3ba11]

In what capacity was he considered easily better? Most of those guys made the all-star game just like Love did, in addition to having comparable/superior numbers.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'd bet those most, if not all 5 of those guys had both better production and better advanced metrics than Love, or it was at least close.

And guess what, if being considered better means anything, Pippen was considered one of the greatest players of his era making All-NBA 7x.


Middleton hadn't even been an all-star yet in 2018, while 18' Love alsohad higher PER than Middleton has EVER had, and 2nd highest WS/48

So Love was a veteran champion and sure-fire HOF'er in 2018 with superior stats, while Middleton and everyone else were actually bums by comparison.. Giannis still needed 4 more years before he figured out how to win with Middleton.

Again, it's simply NOTHING to have a carry-job against a bunch of 0-star teams and non-top 5 SRS teams.. Who hasn't done that?.. Lebron simply benefitted by forming super-teams in a 0-star or 1-star team conference

[GrayGoat]

Thread cliffs:: MJ faced weak competition

[3ba11]

Thread cliffs:: MJ faced weak competition


Lebron had the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 but fell to Finals underdog or loser every year, so the "comp" argument is a weaponization of losing and having weaker teams than expected..

It's just more fraud from a guy that manufactured his resume by forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning.

[Spurs m8]

You're bragging about the veteran prime Cavaliers beating the victor Oladipo pacers and rookie Tatum Celtics. A team with a prime LeBron James and All Star Kevin Love beating teenagers.

Its just... unfathomable that you think stats matter in this context when that same team... when they faced one real opponent... got the doors blown off them.

Mark Twain I think said it best. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

They always ignore this lol

We point out the weak competition they faced in the road to the finals, and then the sweeps, 5 game losses and the biggest blow out losses literally in NBA history - once they get there.

[kawhileonard2]

Is the best example when Mo's spacing effect added 21 wins to Lebron's 45-win loser?.. Is that the best example?

Otherwise, when did he successfully carry teams (bed-wetting teammates) over meaningful opposition in a series? (top 5 SRS opponent or Finals opponent)

Good post!

[3ba11]

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Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG) [/I]
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)


In 2007, Lebron's 2 seed was swept 4-0 by the champs while he averaged 22/7/6 on 36%

In 1989, Jordan's 6 seed went 6 games with the champs, while he averaged 30/7/6 on 47%