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1987_Lakers

01-27-2022, 12:37 PM

'13 postseason
Wade: 16/5/5 on 57 TS%
Bosh: 12/7 on 59 TS%

'13 ECF (Series went 7 games)
Wade: 15/5/4 on 50 TS%
Bosh: 11/4 on 50 TS%

'13 Finals
Wade - 20/4/5 on 51 TS%
Bosh - 12/9 on 49 TS%

From what I remember, that Miami team dominated everyone in the regular season when they were healthy, they also had very good role players too who fit. But once the playoffs hit they obviously weren't the same team, mostly due to Wade playing hurt. I have a vivid memory of LeBron carrying Miami during the Indiana series, it seemed like every game in that series Bron's supporting cast was laying a fat egg while he had to bail them out, although Wade did step up in the Finals, finished off with a nice game 7.

3ba11

01-27-2022, 12:49 PM

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2013 Finals

* Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games of the Finals, while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.

* His 23 on 43% was insufficient through 6 games and needed Ray Allen to save him

* Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor

* Lebron averaged 25 on 45% for the series, while Wade got 20 on 47%, so Lebron didn't carry the scoring load and therefore never beat maximum defensive attention in his Finals career (never beat max defensive attention on the highest level and never carried bed-wetting teammates over any top 5 SRS opponent).

The 3-star Heat didn't need an extra 2 stars to beat their 1-star opponents in the East, so it's no surprise that Wade didn't produce much in the Eastern Playoffs.

But Lebron never beat top 5 SRS teams or Finals teams with bed-wetting teammates, so Wade was near-equal scoring partner in the Finals.. Equal scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals and never beat top 5 SRS teams with bed-wetting teammates.

1987_Lakers

01-27-2022, 12:53 PM

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[Indent]2013 Finals

* Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games of the Finals, while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.

I see, sort of how teammates staved off a 0-3 deficit vs Knicks in '93 while MJ was shooting 3 of 18.

3ba11

01-27-2022, 01:30 PM

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FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg

I see, sort of how teammates staved off a 0-3 deficit vs Knicks in '93 while MJ was shooting 3 of 18.

Lebron didn't have a carry-job in 2013 because he was horrible in the Finals, while having a near-equal scoring partner and being a net negative for the series (Heat didn't win with him on the floor)

Otoh, MJ always carried the Bulls in every series ..

MJ was shooting 3 of 18.

MJ carried the Bulls in those 3 games like he always did

JORDAN.... 28 and 6 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 40.1 usage
PIPPEN'..... 23 and 4 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 29.5 usage

In Game 3, Jordan dominated the only competitive stretch in the 1st quarter (8 points and 6 assists) while Pippen wet the bed (6 and 0).. Everything else was garbage time after that.

GrayGoat

01-27-2022, 01:31 PM

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FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage... 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg

Lebron didn't have a carry-job in 2013 because he was horrible in the Finals, while having a near-equal scoring partner and being a net negative for the series (Heat didn't win with him on the floor)

Otoh, MJ always carried the Bulls in every series ..

MJ carried the Bulls in those 3 games like he always did

JORDAN.... 28 and 6 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 40.1 usage
PIPPEN'..... 23 and 4 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 29.5 usage

In Game 3, Jordan dominated the only competitive stretch in the 1st quarter (8 points and 6 assists) while Pippen wet the bed (6 and 0).. Everything else was garbage time after that.

MJ couldn’t carry like LeKing

3ba11

01-27-2022, 01:33 PM

MJ couldn’t carry like LeKing

Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level because he never carried the scoring load while winning a Finals.

He also never carried bed-wetting teammates over a top 5 SRS opponent - so that's zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing

1987_Lakers

01-27-2022, 01:41 PM

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FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg

Lebron didn't have a carry-job in 2013 because he was horrible in the Finals, while having a near-equal scoring partner and being a net negative for the series (Heat didn't win with him on the floor)

Otoh, MJ always carried the Bulls in every series ..

MJ carried the Bulls in those 3 games like he always did

JORDAN.... 28 and 6 apg.. 2.0 tov.. 40.1 usage
PIPPEN'..... 23 and 4 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 29.5 usage

In Game 3, Jordan dominated the only competitive stretch in the 1st quarter (8 points and 6 assists) while Pippen wet the bed (6 and 0).. Everything else was garbage time after that.

MJ in those first 3 games... 10 of 27, 12 of 32, 3 of 18 shooting.

My goodness. :oldlol:

Not to mention LeBron dominated the remaining of the Finals, including scoring 16 points in the 4th/OT in game 6 when facing elimination and a 37 point game in game 7.

MJ in game 6 vs Knicks: 8 of 24 shooting. Outplayed by Pippen. It was Pippen who stepped up in the 2nd half and hit the big shot to put the Knicks away for good.

:yaohappy:

3ba11

01-27-2022, 01:48 PM

MJ in those first 3 games... 10 of 27, 12 of 32, 3 of 18 shooting.

My goodness. :oldlol:

Not to mention LeBron dominated the remaining of the Finals, including scoring 16 points in the 4th/OT in game 6 when facing elimination and a 37 point game in game 7.

MJ in game 6 vs Knicks: 8 of 24 shooting. Outplayed by Pippen. It was Pippen who stepped up in the 2nd half and hit the big shot to put the Knicks away for good.

:yaohappy:

FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg

The numbers speak for themselves

Lebron was outscored and out-produced in many series by teammates and even entire playoff runs (11', 20'), whereas Jordan carried his team in every series of his career - Pippen basically never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series, so Jordan always defeated maximum defensive attention, while Lebron never did in the Finals.

SouBeachTalents

01-27-2022, 01:50 PM

FIRST 3 GAMES

Lebron 13' Finals..... 16.7 on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg
Jordan 93' ECF......... 28.7 on 45.8 ts.. 19.6 gmsc.. 40.1 usage.. 103 ortg

The numbers speak for themselves

Lebron was outscored and out-produced in many series by teammates and even entire playoff runs (11', 20'), whereas Jordan carried his team in every series of his career - Pippen basically never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series
Kobe was significantly more times.

1987_Lakers

01-27-2022, 01:54 PM

RRR3

01-27-2022, 01:56 PM

Snivelly getting brutally beat down yet again. How can the poor guy keep this up?

3ba11

01-27-2022, 02:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llgnf6gY_gM&t=300s

Jordan carried Pippen in the 93' ECF

Jordan..... 32.2.. 6.0.. 7.0.. 2.5.. 1.0.. 2.2 tov.. 38.5 usage.. 113 ortg.. 24.4 gmsc
Pippen..... 22.5.. 6.7.. 4.0.. 1.8.. 0.5.. 4.0 tov.. 28.5 usage.. 103 ortg.. 15.6 gmsc

RRR3

01-27-2022, 02:08 PM

3ba11

01-27-2022, 02:11 PM

Snivelly how come you’re too terrified to defend your GOAT Kobe in this thread? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501412-why-kobe-is-the-greatest-player-ever-regardless-of-accomplishments

I've always said that I'm 99% sure MJ is goat.

That 1% is for Kobe

He fit into any era or COUNTRY for that matter - possibly the best player if we put each guy in every era and measured their performance - he fit ANY era

MadDog

01-27-2022, 02:13 PM

I've always said that I'm 99% sure MJ is goat.

That 1% is for Kobe

He fit into any era or COUNTRY for that matter - possibly the best player if we put each guy in every era and measured their performance - he fit ANY era

:oldlol:

SouBeachTalents

01-27-2022, 02:14 PM

RRR3

01-27-2022, 02:15 PM

3ba11

01-27-2022, 02:17 PM

He wasn't even the best player on his team for half his career :lol

97-99' wasn't Kobe's prime

But he was arguably the best player from 01' onwards - even Shaq said that Kobe was the best player in the league

Regardless, it isn't really about ring count - it's about demonstrating that you know how to win (organic) and can defeat maximum defensive attention on the highest level (being able to carry scoring load on Finals level)

Kobe did those things as well as anyone

SouBeachTalents

01-27-2022, 02:19 PM

97-99' wasn't Kobe's prime

But he was arguably the best player from 01' onwards - even Shaq said that Kobe was the best player in the league

Regardless, it isn't really about ring count - it's about demonstrating that you know how to win (organic) and can defeat maximum defensive attention on the highest level (being able to carry scoring load on Finals level)

Kobe did those things as well as anyone
Virtually any all-star caliber player could've learned to "win organically" if they had peak Shaq for 8 years to start their career, on top of having Phil Jackson as coach.

MadDog

01-27-2022, 02:19 PM

Never knew this guy was a diehard Kobe fan. :confusedshrug: Why not just say that and stop using Jordan to discredit LeBron?

RRR3

01-27-2022, 02:20 PM

Never knew this guy was a diehard Kobe fan. :confusedshrug: Why not just say that and stop using Jordan to discredit LeBron?
Because he can’t figure out a way to use Kobe to discredit LeBron :lol

3ba11

01-27-2022, 02:43 PM

Virtually any all-star caliber player could've learned to "win organically" if they had peak Shaq for 8 years to start their career, on top of having Phil Jackson as coach.

Penny didn't win with Shaq

And Shaq was swept with a 4-all-stsr team in 98' by the Jazz

And Wade couldn't win in 05' and only won 1 with Shaq

So Kobe did better than all these guys because...... he was obviously better than anyone Shaq played with..

Furthermore, he transferred his organic knowledge of how to win to a new cast in 09', just like Kawhi did in 19' or Jordan did in 96'.. so knowledge of how to win is TRANSFERRABLE.. those guys knew how to win (chemistry), while Lebron only knows how to amass enough talent to win, aka team-hop (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy)

Spurs m8

01-27-2022, 02:48 PM

3ball hammering this clown lmao

SouBeachTalents

01-27-2022, 02:53 PM

Penny didn't win with Shaq

And Shaq was swept with a 4-all-stsr team in 98' by the Jazz

And Wade couldn't win in 05' and only won 1 with Shaq

So Kobe did better than all these guys because...... he was obviously better than anyone Shaq played with..

Furthermore, he transferred his organic knowledge of how to win to a new cast in 09', just like Kawhi did in 19' or Jordan did in 96'.. so knowledge of how to win is TRANSFERRABLE.. those guys knew how to win (chemistry), while Lebron only knows how to amass enough talent to win, aka team-hop (talent-based winning.. all-star team strategy)
Penny played with Shaq for 3 seasons, and this was 22-24 year old Shaq, not peak Shaq, so that's an absolute shit example :lol

Why don't you check the numbers of those 3 other "all-stars" in the '98 Jazz series. They make Scottie Pippen's worst series during the Bulls title runs look magnificent.

And Wade was injured in '05 you dishonest fakkit :oldlol: They were up 3-2 on the team that destroyed Kobe the year before when Wade injured his rib, missed Game 6 and was clearly hobbled in Game 7. He then went on to win a title the very next year, outscoring Shaq by 20 ppg in the Finals. And again, this was 33-34 year old Shaq, not peak Shaq. So all of these examples are complete dogshit.

1987_Lakers

01-27-2022, 04:00 PM

Jordan carried Pippen in the 93' ECF

Jordan..... 32.2.. 6.0.. 7.0.. 2.5.. 1.0.. 2.2 tov.. 38.5 usage.. 113 ortg.. 24.4 gmsc
Pippen..... 22.5.. 6.7.. 4.0.. 1.8.. 0.5.. 4.0 tov.. 28.5 usage.. 103 ortg.. 15.6 gmsc

The hilarious thing is, you want to call that a carry (Ignoring the fact that MJ shot like shit in that series and it was Pippen who closed out the Knicks)

But you are hesitant about calling 2013 a carry when LeBron outscored Wade by 10 ppg in that playoff run and had a 59 TS% compared to Wade's 50 TS%.

tpols

01-27-2022, 04:17 PM

* Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor

Out of all things this really stuck out. People don't remember it but until Ray hit that shot and saved them LeBron was having another 2011 Finals repeat. Him and Wade were a +/- negative in the 2013 Finals. And then got beat by record margin in the 2014 Finals.

1987_Lakers

01-27-2022, 04:22 PM

Out of all things this really stuck out. People don't remember it but until Ray hit that shot and saved them LeBron was having another 2011 Finals repeat. Him and Wade were a +/- negative in the 2013 Finals. And then got beat by record margin in the 2014 Finals.

What really stuck out in this post is that you just confirmed you didn't watch game 6 in 2013. Miami was down 10 points entering the 4th quarter then Bron proceeds to score 16 points in the 4th to bring them back in the game. Funny how that is never mentioned.

Airupthere

01-27-2022, 04:29 PM

3ball got this

warriorfan

01-27-2022, 05:10 PM

Bron with the brick. Ray Allen with the bang.

TheGoatest

01-27-2022, 07:47 PM

Most definitely a carry job. Anyone who says otherwise is a delusional hater.

15.9 ppg in the playoffs is the second lowest scoring average for the 2nd leading playoff scorer on a championship team this millennium. That is a fact. But the haters have a hard time dealing with facts.

tpols

01-27-2022, 09:50 PM

What really stuck out in this post is that you just confirmed you didn't watch game 6 in 2013. Miami was down 10 points entering the 4th quarter then Bron proceeds to score 16 points in the 4th to bring them back in the game. Funny how that is never mentioned.

And even with that factored in LeBron had a negative +/- for the series. Back then there was meme after meme (before memes were even mainstream) of him getting stifled by a fat out of shape Boris Diaw. The gut actually came in handy stopping a bulldozer. Ray Allen almost single handedly saved his career with that shot.

Lebron 13' Finals first 3 games... 16.7 ppg on 44.1 ts.. 16.2 gmsc.. 26.1 usage.. 100 ortg

Imagine MJ doing this. Its impossible. This was PEAK LeBron.

Axe

01-27-2022, 11:41 PM

Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level because he never carried the scoring load while winning a Finals.

He also never carried bed-wetting teammates over a top 5 SRS opponent - so that's zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing
Kong's older teammates, like big z, boobie gibson, mo williams, d-wade and kyrie irving were all better players than kobe.

Even scottie pippen who you think was just a mere role player in the soft 90s bt averaged more ppg (almost 21 ppg) in his finals debut than kobe ever did in 2000 (around 15 ppg).

Spurs m8

01-28-2022, 12:02 AM

Bron with the brick. Ray Allen with the bang.

I still find it hilarious that famous moment could have been brons moment...but we all know he's the anti-clutch.

What famous moment does bron have?

None really.

Some block where JR held up a badly injured Iggy who's back was fvcked....bron come from behind with a block.
Cool bro

Axe

01-28-2022, 12:03 AM

Bron with the brick. Ray Allen with the bang.
Stephen curry with a huge, famous brick near the end of game 6 in the 2019 finals. Dub three-peat no more. :cry:

kawhileonard2

01-28-2022, 12:11 AM

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2

Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.

Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600

How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360

Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.

LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html

"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html

6 rings in 11 full seasons without super-teams > 4 in 19 with them
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500799-6-rings-in-11-full-seasons-without-super-teams-gt-4-in-19-with-them&p=14512408&viewfull=1#post14512408

Lebron quit on the Cavs and they burned his jersey and held his family hostage. He also only won 1 title for the franchise that drafted him which is pathetic in 11 years. Imagine someone getting credit when they lose with Shaq and only get to round 2 and they lose with peak Duncan getting bronze medal.

warriorfan

01-28-2022, 12:53 AM

I still find it hilarious that famous moment could have been brons moment...but we all know he's the anti-clutch.

What famous moment does bron have?

None really.

Some block where JR held up a badly injured Iggy who's back was fvcked....bron come from behind with a block.
Cool bro

:roll:

Can’t wait for his last dance knock off doc where it’s going to be full of boring dunks, travels, and stiff arms.

Spurs m8

01-28-2022, 01:21 AM

:roll:

Can’t wait for his last dance knock off doc where it’s going to be full of boring dunks, travels, and stiff arms.

How they gonna sweep so many failures under the rug?

And down play the colluding, asterisks and bail outs?

Doesn't have a flashy game or enough real accomplishments to cover the downsides.

Man, its going to be so carefully edited, missing context and truth, left, right and centre.

Just like when his stans talk about him.

Maybe they can talk about longevity stats for 8 episodes....

TheCorporation

01-29-2022, 12:25 AM

Biggest game 7 Finals carry in

NBA HISTORY

:pimp:

Bankaii

01-29-2022, 01:46 AM

I find it funny how people “forget” these things:
Lebron had a 30 point triple in that game 6 and was the sole reason the Heat were even back in the game.
Wade was in the bench during that run.
Ray Allen had 0 points until the 4th quarter.
In game 7, both Bosh and Ray had 0 points lmao.

TheCorporation

02-01-2022, 12:00 AM

SpaceJam

02-01-2022, 04:58 AM

:roll:

Can’t wait for his last dance knock off doc where it’s going to be full of boring dunks, travels, and stiff arms.

For Steph's do you think they'll leave out the finals MVP ceremonies or nah?

TheGoatest

02-01-2022, 07:50 AM

Biggest game 7 Finals carry in

NBA HISTORY

:pimp:

This!!

Just imagine knowing this for a FACT prior to that game 7 against the Spurs:

Chris Bosh would score 0 points in 28 minutes
Ray Allen would score 0 points in 20 minutes
Mike Miller would score 0 points in 19 minutes

No person in the world would've thought it was possible for Heat to grind out a W with such chokeage. Yet LeBron somehow carried them to a chip. :applause:

TheGoatest

02-01-2022, 07:56 AM

Can’t wait for his last dance knock off doc where it’s going to be full of boring dunks, travels, and stiff arms.

:oldlol:

https://images4.imagebam.com/5c/cf/a6/ME7CHQI_o.gif

Talk about irony. :roll:

Full Court

02-01-2022, 11:51 AM

:oldlol:

https://images4.imagebam.com/5c/cf/a6/ME7CHQI_o.gif

Talk about irony. :roll:

I think I remember that. Wasn't that the game where MJ hit a finals game-winner?

The irony is that when the Bronies try to disparage Jordan, the "evidence" they show is him hitting finals game winners. :roll:

Hey Yo

02-01-2022, 12:31 PM

Axe

02-02-2022, 02:11 AM

For Steph's do you think they'll leave out the finals MVP ceremonies or nah?
I've heard they might be replaced with nickelodeon kids choice ceremonies to cater to him specifically instead. :ohwell:

WhiteKyrie

02-02-2022, 02:20 AM

No. And the in conference playoff competition pre Finals was absolutely dog shit. Because D-Rose tore his ACL the year prior and Miami had consolidated the three franchise players together in their prime on the same team. Cake walk to the Finals.

SpaceJam

02-02-2022, 02:47 AM

I've heard they might be replaced with nickelodeon kids choice ceremonies to cater to him specifically instead. :ohwell:

One episode dedicated to the Kids Choice Awards, little 2 minute snippet mentioning the finals :oldlol: