Why Kawhi Leonard is the greatest player ever regardless of accomplishments

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Kawhi is the most physically gifted player ever with a 7"3 wingspan and hand length of 9.75 inches and a hand span of 11.25 inches. Shoulders like a truck and can use that to his advantage to get any shot he wants. The greatest shot selection for a non big man of all time and greatest discipline as well. Every team he plays on is always elite and he has been the VORP leader for 7 of them (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021).

He stopped two different 3peats in 2014 and 2019 while winning finals MVP over guys like Lebron, Wade, Curry, Duncan.

He had the greatest playoff run in nba history:


He scored 732 points on 62% TS, which is the highest total scoring\TS combination for any player during a championship run. Facing countless all defensive players such as Butler, Embiid, Lopez, Giannis, Draymond. Two defensive player of the years are also in there in Draymond\Giannis. He guarded Giannis, shut him down and backdoor swept him, he made the only game 7 buzzer beater in history in the 2nd round and averaged 34PPG that series, he eliminated Curry\Draymond the duo of a 73 win dynasty.

[3ba11]

Kawhi is in my top 10 because he knows how to win (organic) and he can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in playoffs AND finals while winning chip, aka 10+ more than sidekicks)

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi is in my top 10 because he knows how to win (organic) and he can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in playoffs AND finals while winning chip, aka 10+ more than sidekicks)
Kawhi didn't outscore his sidekick by 10 ppg in the Finals

[Spurs m8]

Op is a proven delusional liar

[John_Connor]

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[GrayGoat]

Kawhi is better than Kobe imo

[Phoenix]

Can someone please take this retarded alt out back and 'Old Yeller' him?

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Kawhi didn't outscore his sidekick by 10 ppg in the Finals

He didn't even have a 20PPG scorer in finals. Like 3ball said, maximum defensive attention

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Kawhi is better than Kobe imo

Agreed with that.

[HunterSThompson]

Kawhi is better than Kobe imo

80 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 1

60 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 6

50 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 26

40 point games:

Kawhi - 5
Kobe - 135



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[Kawhi_Why_Not]

80 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 1

60 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 6

50 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 26

40 point games:

Kawhi - 5
Kobe - 135



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Meaningless regular season games when his team was an 8th seed or lottery. I bet you can do the same thing with Duncan but more people still take Duncan over Kobe.

Kawhi's 30.5 PPG average in 2019 is higher then any Kobe playoff average title run.

[HunterSThompson]

Meaningless regular season games when his team was an 8th seed or lottery. I bet you can do the same thing with Duncan but more people still take Duncan over Kobe.

Kawhi's 30.5 PPG average in 2019 is higher then any Kobe playoff average title run.



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Kobe_Bryant
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[Kawhi_Why_Not]

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Kobe_Bryant
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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497817-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-15

duncan is ahead here

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1573442

duncan is also ahead here

[Axe]

6/22

[SATAN]

Kobe>>>Kawhit

[HunterSThompson]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497817-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-15

duncan is ahead here

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1573442

duncan is also ahead here

pretty easy to win polls involving kobe when you ban all of his fans from posting lol


i've been banned 2 million times here and perma banned on realgm. so was stalker and 3ball

those polls are as legitimate as CNN shit

[Axe]

No league mvps yet :cry:

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Hunter went at harden because he's too scared for Kobe to be compared to kawhi

I see how it is brother. He knows what's up

[HunterSThompson]

Hunter went at harden because he's too scared for Kobe to be compared to kawhi

I see how it is brother. He knows what's up

didn't you say something like "harden has a bunch of those games. what about the playoffs" when i listed kobe and kawhis stuff.


and i really don't care to entertain either comparison. kawhi would need another 3 titles, a league mvp, another 8 first team all nbas and 5 more ppg on his career average with 20k more points and like 15 more allstar games in order to make me worried.. and thats ontop of getting another 100 or so 40 point games


and how on earth has kawhi never dropped 50. seriously. thats like a prerequisite for an all time great offensive player

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

didn't you say something like "harden has a bunch of those games. what about the playoffs" when i listed kobe and kawhis stuff.


and i really don't care to entertain either comparison. kawhi would need another 3 titles, a league mvp, another 8 first team all nbas and 5 more ppg on his career average with 20k more points and like 15 more allstar games in order to make me worried.. and thats ontop of getting another 100 or so 40 point games


and how on earth has kawhi never dropped 50. seriously. thats like a prerequisite for an all time great offensive player

As soon as kawhi plays with a player as good as prime shaq, we can talk.

Kawhi 2019 playoff runs runs laps around Kobe 2009 and 2010 playoff runs, especially 2010

[HunterSThompson]

50 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 26

40 point games:

Kawhi - 5
Kobe - 135

this is actually shockingly bad.


tim duncan has more of both than kawhi i think lol

[HunterSThompson]

even duncan got 50 lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2T0weEceRo&ab_channel=VintageDawkins

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

50 point games:

Kawhi - 0
Kobe - 26

40 point games:

Kawhi - 5
Kobe - 135

this is actually shockingly bad.


tim duncan has more of both than kawhi i think lol

Kawhi's 2014 playoff run > Kobe 2000 playoff run

Conclusion: finals mvp and not playing with shaq

The only difference was Duncan was 37 years old instead of shaq 27 years old, so you won a few more.

Then kawhi's 2019 playoff run > Kobe 09 or 2010

Anybody with their head out of their ass can figure out this one. Kawhi had better scoring, better defense, tougher completion and nobody on his team as accomplished as pau gasol

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

even duncan got 50 lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2T0weEceRo&ab_channel=VintageDawkins

When spurs beat Miami 3 straight times in the 2014 finals, kawhi was doubling that beta Duncan numbers 24PPG to 12PPG. Even Duncan realized who the better player was on the biggest stage.

Duncan was 0-3 on finals mvps vs lebron. Only averaged 25PPG 1 time in 6 tries

[HunterSThompson]

As soon as kawhi plays with a player as good as prime shaq, we can talk.

Kawhi 2019 playoff runs runs laps around Kobe 2009 and 2010 playoff runs, especially 2010

lets look at shaq without kobe as his wingman shall we


1992-93 = misses playoffs with nick anderson averaging 20ppg

1993-94 = swept out of playoffs with penny hardaway and nick anderson both averaging 16ppg

1994-95 = swept out of finals with penny hardaway averaging 21ppg and horace grant/nick anderson

1995-96 = swept out of playoffs with penny hardaway averaging 22ppg and dennis scott averaging 18ppg

1996-97 = lost 4-1 to jazz with Nick van exel and eddie jones averaging 17 and 15ppg

1997-98 = swept out of playoffs with eddie jones averaging 17ppg

2004-05 = lost in game 7 to Pistons with Dwayne Wade averaging 24ppg

2005-06 = won a title as 3rd option role player averaging 13ppg behind antoine walker

2006-07 = swept out of playoffs with dwyane wade averaging 27ppg

2007-08 = lost 4-1 to spurs with amare stoudemire averaging 25ppg and steve nash averaging 17/11 with marion and hill too

2008-09 = missed playoffs with amare stoudemire averaging 24ppg and steve nash averaging 16/10

2009-10 = lost 4-2 to boston with lebron james averaging 30/7/9 as league mvp



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[Kawhi_Why_Not]

lets look at shaq without kobe as his wingman shall we


1992-93 = misses playoffs with nick anderson averaging 20ppg

1993-94 = swept out of playoffs with penny hardaway and nick anderson both averaging 16ppg

1994-95 = swept out of finals with penny hardaway averaging 21ppg and horace grant/nick anderson

1995-96 = swept out of playoffs with penny hardaway averaging 22ppg and dennis scott averaging 18ppg

1996-97 = lost 4-1 to jazz with Nick van exel and eddie jones averaging 17 and 15ppg

1997-98 = swept out of playoffs with eddie jones averaging 17ppg

2004-05 = lost in game 7 to Pistons with Dwayne Wade averaging 24ppg

2005-06 = won a title as 3rd option role player averaging 13ppg behind antoine walker

2006-07 = swept out of playoffs with dwyane wade averaging 27ppg

2007-08 = lost 4-1 to spurs with amare stoudemire averaging 25ppg and steve nash averaging 17/11 with marion and hill too

2008-09 = missed playoffs with amare stoudemire averaging 24ppg and steve nash averaging 16/10

2009-10 = lost 4-2 to boston with lebron james averaging 30/7/9 as league mvp



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Shaq without Phil = finals appearance

Kobe without Phil = Only won 1 game past the 2nd round

Also Kobe in 2000 was putting up middleton numbers, he was a clear sidekick

[Axe]

2014 was a role player finals mvp. Stop fooling us, jizzrag.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

2014 was a role player finals mvp. Stop fooling us, jizzrag.

no it wasn't, it was like larry bird's 1981 playoff run. He even averaged more points then larry did in the finals.

The VORP leader those entire playoffs was also kawhi.

Shave your beard and you might actually use your brain for once hahahaha moron

[Axe]

no it wasn't, it was like larry bird's 1981 playoff run. He even averaged more points then larry did in the finals.

The VORP leader those entire playoffs was also kawhi.

Shave your beard and you might actually use your brain for once hahahaha moron
Sure i'll shave once you fukk off this board for once. So there are no more retarded dimwits like you, dickhead.

[HunterSThompson]

Shaq without Phil = finals appearance

Kobe without Phil = Only won 1 game past the 2nd round

Also Kobe in 2000 was putting up middleton numbers, he was a clear sidekick

dude.. shaq had 12 allstar seasons to prove himself without kobe as his sidekick and failed

now you wanna give kobe 2005 and 2012 out of his entire career to prove he can win a title without phil as the main guy lmao


yeah thats fair

[SouBeachTalents]

2005-06 = won a title as 3rd option role player averaging 13ppg behind antoine walker
Do you really not see the 3ball level of hypocrisy to sum up Shaq's 2006 title entirely by his Finals performance, then cry whenever somebody does the same about 2000 Kobe :lol

[HunterSThompson]

Do you really not see the 3ball level of hypocrisy to sum up Shaq's 2006 title entirely by his Finals performance, then cry whenever somebody does the same about 2000 Kobe :lol


kobe averaged 19ppg ( not counting the 2 point injury game ruining his average )

thats literally what pau gasol averaged and people call him the real mvp of the 2009 and 2010 titles

kobe also saved a game in that finals series.. tell me the game shaq got injured that ruined his real finals average and what game he took the heat on his back with wade fouled out


i'l wait

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[aj1987]

kobe averaged 19ppg ( not counting the 2 point injury game ruining his average )

thats literally what pau gasol averaged and people call him the real mvp of the 2009 and 2010 titles

kobe also saved a game in that finals series.. tell me the game shaq got injured that ruined his real finals average and what game he took the heat on his back with wade fouled out


i'l wait

https://i.postimg.cc/c4fGzm4X/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2-hq.jpg


Shaq gets injured, and they Lakers aren't winning a single title from '00-'02.

Shaq is so much better as a player than Kobe, it's not even close. I mean, Shaq is a top 5 GOAT, while Kobe is borderline top 10 at BEST.

[SouBeachTalents]

kobe averaged 19ppg ( not counting the 2 point injury game ruining his average )

thats literally what pau gasol averaged and people call him the real mvp of the 2009 and 2010 titles

kobe also saved a game in that finals series.. tell me the game shaq got injured that ruined his real finals average and what game he took the heat on his back with wade fouled out


i'l wait

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I don't care to debate who's Finals were better, but you know Shaq was not the 3rd option on that Heat team. So claiming that he was based solely off the Finals is literally no different than someone claiming Kobe was a 16 ppg role player all year based solely off the Finals.

[HunterSThompson]

I don't care to debate who's Finals were better, but you know Shaq was not the 3rd option on that Heat team. So claiming that he was based solely off the Finals is literally no different than someone claiming Kobe was a 16 ppg role player all year based solely off the Finals.

2006 finals:

Dwyane Wade: 35.7ppg on 23.2 shots per game
Antoine Walker: 13.8ppg on 14.5 shots per game
Shaquille O'neal: 13.7ppg on 9.3 shots per game

https://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/antoine.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

2000 Finals

https://pm1.narvii.com/6904/c95494888298cae5fbf064f414f6c63f05986450r1-706-1255v2_hq.jpg

[HunterSThompson]

2000 Finals

https://pm1.narvii.com/6904/c95494888298cae5fbf064f414f6c63f05986450r1-706-1255v2_hq.jpg

so even with his 2 point injury game hes well cemented in as 2nd best scorer on the team ( unlike shaq in 2006 )

imagine if you had his real average. it would be


shaq - 38
kobe - 19
rice - 11


solid gasol/pippen level ring thats bumped up cause of his game 4 heroics

i've always said kobe has 4 legit full 1A or 1B rings and 1 sidekick ring. never denied it.

[HunterSThompson]

btw shaqs 2006 ring = 2000 glen rice level shit


everyone knows alonzo mourning played the 4th quarters of that series.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

dude.. shaq had 12 allstar seasons to prove himself without kobe as his sidekick and failed

now you wanna give kobe 2005 and 2012 out of his entire career to prove he can win a title without phil as the main guy lmao


yeah thats fair

he was 22\10 guy in the east finals and got doubled in the finals, probably on that 2000 kobe level. So if you want to count 2000 kobe then count 06 shaq.

Like i said, shaq was always 10x better then kobe's opponent 2nd best. So he's expected to win, it's like durant\curry bragging about winning together.

[HunterSThompson]

he was 22\10 guy in the east finals and got doubled in the finals, probably on that 2000 kobe level. So if you want to count 2000 kobe then count 06 shaq.

Like i said, shaq was always 10x better then kobe's opponent 2nd best. So he's expected to win, it's like durant\curry bragging about winning together.

ooooohhhhh so now the conference finals are important.. I thought it was all about the finals cause of shaqs amazing numbers vs eastern conference bums

my bad

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

ooooohhhhh so now the conference finals are important.. I thought it was all about the finals cause of shaqs amazing numbers vs eastern conference bums

my bad

Shaq in the 2006 finals put up 14/10

Kobe in 2000 finals put up 16/4/4

Similar production.

Kobe was a sidekick in 2000

1B in 2001

Then back to a sidekick again in 2002 because he mainly played like shit against Sacramento

[nayte]

He def had the physical capacity. Needed a better vertical leap and not be so scared to play through injuries . He is a bit soft in that way but yeah

[HoopsNY]

Let's take a look at Kawhi's teams' records without him:

SA '16-'17: 14-4
SA '18: 42-31 (47 win pace)

TOR '19: 17-5

LAC '20: 8-7
LAC '21: 9-9

PG w/o Kawhi is 27-21 between 2020-2022.

The point here is that Kawhi has benefited from stacked teams. Having said that, you can't just say he's the best player regardless of accomplishments. Having a stacked team and not having massive amounts of accomplishments is a discredit to your legacy, not the opposite.

[HunterSThompson]

Shaq in the 2006 finals put up 14/10

Kobe in 2000 finals put up 16/4/4

Similar production.

Kobe was a sidekick in 2000

1B in 2001

Then back to a sidekick again in 2002 because he mainly played like shit against Sacramento

again. Kobe averaged 19 in the actual games he played in

you can't say gasol was mvp or co lead with 19 to kobes 30 then say kobe was dog shit in 2000 for averaging 19 lol

and you hypocrites say it's all about the finals and kobes rounds vs the spurs and kings in 2001 and 2002 or saving the Lakers in 2000 vs Portland is meaningless. then turn around and say ahaqs conference finals was 20ppg or some shit.

fact:

kobes 2000 ring >>>>>>>> shaqs 2006 ring

even with the 2 point injury game kobe averaged 3 more points in the finals and 6 more with a 4th game take over. Shaq rode the bench cause of hacksaw. they played mourning lmao

[SouBeachTalents]

again. Kobe averaged 19 in the actual games he played in

you can't say gasol was mvp or co lead with 19 to kobes 30 then say kobe was dog shit in 2000 for averaging 19 lol

and you hypocrites say it's all about the finals and kobes rounds vs the spurs and kings in 2001 and 2002 or saving the Lakers in 2000 vs Portland is meaningless. then turn around and say ahaqs conference finals was 20ppg or some shit.

fact:

kobes 2000 ring >>>>>>>> shaqs 2006 ring

even with the 2 point injury game kobe averaged 3 more points in the finals and 6 more with a 4th game take over. Shaq rode the bench cause of hacksaw. they played mourning lmao
Nah, they're pretty damn close. Similar production, advanced metrics, accolades, right down to getting outscored by 20 ppg in the Finals. It's fine to argue Kobe's was better, but 8 >? Ridiculous

[Phoenix]

Let's take a look at Kawhi's teams' records without him:

SA '16-'17: 14-4
SA '18: 42-31 (47 win pace)

TOR '19: 17-5

LAC '20: 8-7
LAC '21: 9-9

PG w/o Kawhi is 27-21 between 2020-2022.

The point here is that Kawhi has benefited from stacked teams. Having said that, you can't just say he's the best player regardless of accomplishments. Having a stacked team and not having massive amounts of accomplishments is a discredit to your legacy, not the opposite.

And we're done here.

[HunterSThompson]

Nah, they're pretty damn close. Similar production, advanced metrics, accolades, right down to getting outscored by 20 ppg in the Finals. It's fine to argue Kobe's was better, but 8 >? Ridiculous

1. Kobe was saving games while shaq was riding the bench and had nothing to do with the wins. they had Alonzo in the game at the end. it would be like kobe being benched for fisher or harper in 4th quarters. that kind of ring is worth literally nothing. it's lower than a role player. it's like bynums 2009 and 2010 titles when he was benched for Odom

2. the 2006 title isn't even real. remember the reffing scandal. there wasn't a scandal in 2000. nobody disputes that finals lol.

3. there's a huuuuuge difference between 19ppg and basically being your teams top playmaker and being a backup center averaging 13ppg and taking 5 less shots each game than Antoine walker.

4. Kobe averaged 21ppg for the entire playoffs and also saved game 7 vs Portland when Shaq wet the bed. if shaq literally saved the heats season twice and actually played the 4th quarters and the 2006 series wasn't rigged and he averaged close to 20ppg like kobe did (realistically) then it would be on the same level. but as it is he's bynum. not pippen. he's not even Odom

kobe was pippen/gasol that year

shaq was a role player when it mattered most. and both shaq in 2000 and wade in 2006 carried a ton of the load so they balance each other off. but the rigging and benching is just too much to overcome. if kobe was outscored by a guy like Antoine walker on his own team regardless of injury I would be so utterly ashamed I'd never be a fan of his again

[HunterSThompson]

4th quarter of a pivotal game 4 and look who gets sent to the bench after blinking 2 free throws

https://i.ibb.co/10K4VKr/Screenshot-20220128-113205-Gallery.jpg


don't you ever bring up shaqs 2006 shit ring ever again

[SouBeachTalents]

4th quarter of a pivotal game 4 and look who gets sent to the bench after blinking 2 free throws

https://i.ibb.co/10K4VKr/Screenshot-20220128-113205-Gallery.jpg


don't you ever bring up shaqs 2006 shit ring ever again
You do realize the Heat were up TWENTY TWO points when that happened :oldlol: Did you think they were also benching Wade in the final 3 minutes of the game?

[HunterSThompson]

You do realize the Heat were up TWENTY TWO points when that happened :oldlol: Did you think they were also benching Wade in the final 3 minutes of the game?

he got benched 3 times in the 4th quarter of the deciding game 6

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[RogueBorg]

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Yup pretty much LOL

[Spurs m8]

Let's take a look at Kawhi's teams' records without him:

SA '16-'17: 14-4
SA '18: 42-31 (47 win pace)

TOR '19: 17-5

LAC '20: 8-7
LAC '21: 9-9

PG w/o Kawhi is 27-21 between 2020-2022.

The point here is that Kawhi has benefited from stacked teams. Having said that, you can't just say he's the best player regardless of accomplishments. Having a stacked team and not having massive amounts of accomplishments is a discredit to your legacy, not the opposite.

Exactly.

He's always had low key very good teams.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Exactly.

He's always had low key very good teams.

He has never played with a top 5 player like Shaq\Kobe\Curry\Durant all have

[HunterSThompson]

He has never played with a top 5 player like Shaq\Kobe\Curry\Durant all have

a collection of really good teammates is just as good as having one great teammate

which is why kobe and shaq lost in 2003 and 2004..

and also why the spurs beat the heat in 2014 and should have in 2013. you don't need a top heavy team when your best player takes a massive pay cut so.you can stack the deck 12 deep like the spurs.

same with the Raptors. they only needed one star and a bunch of really good players.

same with kobe and gasol. a 19ppg top 15-20 player or so. not much more. so stop crying about kawhi never having another top 5 player. God knows he tried colluding with another top 5 type talent in PG. he's just never been able to put it together for a whole season. and since then kawhis had nothing but bad luck cause he resorted to the same BS lebron and Durant did and KG did before them. he's a cheater and a bum and his 2019 ring is legit but it woulda been nicer if the other teams best player wasn't hurt during the series. and yes other top players have gone out other years but almost never DURING THE FINALS to secure an easy title for the other team.

[ImKobe]

Kawhi had the package to be the next Jordan but the injuries & the bubble choke robbed him of that opportunity. He's going to be a top 20-30 player (assuming he never wins another title as the best player) after his career is done and that's fine.

[HunterSThompson]

Kawhi had the package to be the next Jordan but the injuries & the bubble choke robbed him of that opportunity. He's going to be a top 20-30 player (assuming he never wins another title as the best player) after his career is done and that's fine.

uncle Dennis cost him that 2020 bubble ring

had he stayed in Toronto they easily bounce Miami and LA

[beasted]

Kawhi had the package to be the next Jordan but the injuries & the bubble choke robbed him of that opportunity. He's going to be a top 20-30 player (assuming he never wins another title as the best player) after his career is done and that's fine.

No way he gets to top 30. It's fairly likely he'll never win an MVP, he's missed a bunch of time in his prime, and he's not going to get healthier as he gets older, it will only go downhill from here.