Biden will spend billions from infrastructure bill putting speed cameras all over US

[Long Duck Dong]

At least 17 billion will be dedicated installing speed trap cameras all over USA. It's going to be a cash cow for the government. Anyone who lives in an area with these cameras know how badly they suck ass. Sometimes they send you a ticket and you don't see it, and end up paying double or more because of late fees.

Dems going in deep on the Big Brother authoritarian angle. But Butterbutt Pete says the cameras are fantastic because they cannot be racist like cops. Umm ok...

I thought this is the kinda stuff the old libs used to hate. But the new libs love it? :confusedshrug:

Will be interesting to also see if it trumps state law as the cameras are banned entirely in many states like Texas and most parts of California and Florida.


The highway plan is receiving some $17billion from Biden's $1.2trillion infrastructure bill, which will be used in part to pay for the cameras.

Buttigieg's 42-page plan includes a caveat to 'promote' speed camera use, which he says will be a more 'equitable' way of patrolling the roads than if cops were tasked with it.

He wants to create roads that will 'self-enforce' through speed limits and cameras - rather than have cops patrolling them.

But skeptics say it will only end up leading to more fines for motorists - and money for the government - while doing nothing to address the country's real transport problems.

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

Democrats love being ruled over and paying fines.

[bladefd]

How much of those $17 billion are going for speed cameras, and how much does a single speed camera cost?

[warriorfan]

Spending our money to set up a system to take more even more money.

Nice! :lol

[FultzNationRISE]

Latest update on the $100 billion California bullet train (originally estimated at 33 billion, whoops) begun in 2008:



Wait for it.





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https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/07/30/us/00rail-aerial3/merlin_141796725_092cbb51-7386-41a4-8bb1-09344f5436e0-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale


:roll:

[jstern]

Latest update on the $100 billion California bullet train (originally estimated at 33 billion, whoops) begun in 2008:



Wait for it.





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https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/07/30/us/00rail-aerial3/merlin_141796725_092cbb51-7386-41a4-8bb1-09344f5436e0-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale


:roll:

Sure it's on an 8,000 year pace, but time is just an illusion. It's just but a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. 8,000 years will come, and then 100 years will pass and it's like it never happened. And the people will enjoy their bullet train.

[diamenz]

classic.

*deteriorating roads and highways*
government solution: speed cameras :facepalm

you know americans are in trouble when a bill gets bipartisan support.

[Nanners]

Latest update on the $100 billion California bullet train (originally estimated at 33 billion, whoops) begun in 2008:



Wait for it.





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https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/07/30/us/00rail-aerial3/merlin_141796725_092cbb51-7386-41a4-8bb1-09344f5436e0-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale


:roll:

meanwhile China started building their high speed rail network in 2007 and today they have more high speed rail than the entire rest of the world combined and multiplied by 3.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-01/From-nobody-to-somebody-China-s-high-speed-rail-in-numbers-Udm6mE3qqA/index.html

https://i.ibb.co/1vPCzb1/china-numba-1.png

[tpols]

Spending our money to set up a system to take more even more money.

Nice! :lol

Pretty funny. China style, it starts off with speed cameras, next they'll check for littering and jaywalking and every petty offense they can think of.

[Nanners]

Pretty funny. China style, it starts off with speed cameras, next they'll check for littering and jaywalking and every petty offense they can think of.

It gets super fun when they link the cameras to the other dystopian control systems they are building like social credit and central bank digital currency... In many Chinese cities, every time a camera thinks you ran a red light or exceeded the speed limit, a fine is automatically deducted from your bank account and your social credit score takes a hit.

[Rocket]

Everyone is missing the real explanation to this. Every camera feed available is another opportunity to spy on everyone. The camera's would installed not so they can catch speeders rather it is more opportunity for the people who abuse the power in the Patriot Act to spy on people even more.

[Long Duck Dong]

you know americans are in trouble when a bill gets bipartisan support.

It was originally 3x the amount. Republicans compromised with Dems. Imagine how many speed traps Biden could lay down on us with 3x the money.

The key point by the Biden admin is speed cameras aren't racist. I could maybe buy into it if cops could no longer give you a speeding ticket and you had to be served in person so they couldn't smack you upside the head with late fees if you didn't get ticket in the mail. But now we get speeding tickets from cops and electric speed traps? Ahh hell nah

[AKA_AAP]

Will these cameras just be on the freeways, or will some of them be everywhere else?

[Rocket]

Will these cameras just be on the freeways, or will some of them be everywhere else?


They will be in places where there are not already cameras they can use to spy on citizens

[AKA_AAP]

They will be in places where there are not already cameras they can use to spy on citizens

So this might be start of the China-like social credit system. :facepalm

Here's the funny part. The democrats/communists are claiming it's because cops and roads are racists. But with spy cameras everywhere, this will actually hurt the black and brown communities disproportionately.

[Nanners]

So this might be start of the China-like social credit system. :facepalm

Here's the funny part. The democrats/communists are claiming it's because cops and roads are racists. But with spy cameras everywhere, this will actually hurt the black and brown communities disproportionately.

Its also funny that in addition to claiming that speed cameras are incapable of racism, libtards also think that speed cameras (and maybe the whole transportation system) are systemically racist

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/01/18/analysis-when-speed-cameras-are-racist/

[bladefd]

How much of those $17 billion are going for speed cameras, and how much does a single speed camera cost?

Notice how nobody is addressing the main questions. Long dong duck's own article he cited says:


The highway plan is receiving some $17billion from Biden's $1.2trillion infrastructure bill, which will be used in part to pay for the cameras.

So let's repeat in even simpler terms. The entire highway plan is $17 billion. From that total, a piece of that is going for speed cameras. However, it's not saying all $17 billion are going for speed cameras.

We need to know how much is going for cameras and how much each camera costs. Without those 2 facts, the entire argument is incomplete and agenda-driven. It should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

[Long Duck Dong]

Notice how nobody is addressing the main questions. Long dong duck's own article he cited says:



So let's repeat in even simpler terms. The entire highway plan is $17 billion. From that total, a piece of that is going for speed cameras. However, it's not saying all $17 billion are going for speed cameras.

We need to know how much is going for cameras and how much each camera costs. Without those 2 facts, the entire argument is incomplete and agenda-driven. It should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

Blade is the kinda people who allow tyrants into power. "So they're going to build a few gas chambers? So what. How many actually will be built and how many people will actually be exterminated?"

Bad ideas are bad ideas bro. Your administration is publicly saying they are good for us

[bladefd]

Blade is the kinda people who allow tyrants into power. "So they're going to build a few gas chambers? So what. How many actually will be built and how many people will actually be exterminated?"

Bad ideas are bad ideas bro. Your administration is publicly saying they are good for us

Did you answer my two questions? Until you answer them, you are a clown slinging around an agenda in the palm of your hands after pulling it out of your ass.

[warriorfan]

Notice how nobody is addressing the main questions. Long dong duck's own article he cited says:



So let's repeat in even simpler terms. The entire highway plan is $17 billion. From that total, a piece of that is going for speed cameras. However, it's not saying all $17 billion are going for speed cameras.

We need to know how much is going for cameras and how much each camera costs. Without those 2 facts, the entire argument is incomplete and agenda-driven. It should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

They shouldn’t be spending anything on camera systems to give people tickets.

Your autistic point is completely irrelevant.

Go away.

[FultzNationRISE]

I guess self-driving cars arent progressing as fast as we’d been led to believe.

[falc39]

Definitely some privacy concerns with this, but at the same time, has anyone noticed how people have been driving like maniacs lately? The city I live in, has like 3-4x the amount of traffic fatalities than normal this last year 2021, and that is with less people driving because of the pandemic. Speeding is a problem, especially if no one wants to follow speed laws anymore. But I actually think a bigger problem are the people driving and texting. It's incredible the drivers I notice not going with the reasonable flow of traffic and then you look and see they are on their phone :facepalm

[warriorfan]

Definitely some privacy concerns with this, but at the same time, has anyone noticed how people have been driving like maniacs lately? The city I live in, has like 3-4x the amount of traffic fatalities than normal this last year 2021, and that is with less people driving because of the pandemic. Speeding is a problem, especially if no one wants to follow speed laws anymore. But I actually think a bigger problem are the people driving and texting. It's incredible the drivers I notice not going with the reasonable flow of traffic and then you look and see they are on their phone :facepalm

Sounds like you should just stay inside and let the rest of us live or lives.

[Axe]

I guess self-driving cars arent progressing as fast as we’d been led to believe.
Who told you they were? Lmao.

[falc39]

Sounds like you should just stay inside and let the rest of us live or lives.

Did I hit a nerve? Let me guess, you are one of those drivers who are texting and completely messing up the flow of traffic.

[warriorfan]

Did I hit a nerve? Let me guess, you are one of those drivers who are texting and completely messing up the flow of traffic.

No you are just a neurotic wacko who is asking for more regulation to appease your mental illness. If you are scared of getting hit by someone speeding or texting while driving….Don’t go outside. Stay safe at home. Don’t advocate for cameras everywhere in order to supposedly defeat this boogie man you have created in your head. **** off.

[falc39]

No you are just a neurotic wacko who is asking for more regulation to appease your mental illness. If you are scared of getting hit by someone speeding or texting while driving….Don’t go outside. Stay safe at home. Don’t advocate for cameras everywhere in order to supposedly defeat this boogie man you have created in your head. **** off.

If you go back and read my post, you will see that I didn't state that I was for or against it. It's not asking for more regulation to point out that there are more traffic fatalities than normal and that there are more drivers driving recklessly than before. The laws drivers need to follow are already on the books and cameras don't change that dummy.

[1987_Lakers]

It's scary how some people in this thread support this.

[tpols]

Blade is the kinda people who allow tyrants into power. "So they're going to build a few gas chambers? So what. How many actually will be built and how many people will actually be exterminated?"

Bad ideas are bad ideas bro. Your administration is publicly saying they are good for us

Yup. He's always in full support of anything authoritarian based, minimizes the "slippery slope", and then when it gets overturned acts like he was on the other side all along and "knew that would happen". His flip flopping knows no bounds.

[bladefd]

Yup. He's always in full support of anything authoritarian based, minimizes the "slippery slope", and then when it gets overturned acts like he was on the other side all along and "knew that would happen". His flip flopping knows no bounds.

You are not bright, are you?

I didn't say whether I'm for or against extra cameras. I just asked 2 questions and without answers to those 2 questions, I can't take a side. The entire premise of the OP seems to be agenda-driven, but I will still wait for long Dong to find out for me the answers to the 2 questions.

[Nanners]

If you go back and read my post, you will see that I didn't state that I was for or against it. It's not asking for more regulation to point out that there are more traffic fatalities than normal and that there are more drivers driving recklessly than before. The laws drivers need to follow are already on the books and cameras don't change that dummy.

You said


Definitely some privacy concerns with this, but at the same time, has anyone noticed how people have been driving like maniacs lately?

Its pretty easy to see how this statement could be interpreted as being in favor of it... especially considering that "Theres some privacy concerns but it saves lives" is exactly what the govt and their mouthpieces in MSM say whenever they have to publicly defend their unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens.

[falc39]

You said



Its pretty easy to see how this statement could be interpreted as being in favor of it... especially considering that "Theres some privacy concerns but it saves lives" is exactly what the govt and their mouthpieces in MSM say whenever they have to publicly defend their unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens.

Just putting out both sides of the issues. Since this is the first time I heard of the camera thing, I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet or taking any stances. Also stating my own observations and understanding of the facts (traffic fatalities did spike during the pandemic, which is not what was expected if less people are driving). I also know a traffic engineer and I'm going to ask him about this topic.

[FultzNationRISE]

No you are just a neurotic wacko who is asking for more regulation to appease your mental illness. If you are scared of getting hit by someone speeding or texting while driving….Don’t go outside. Stay safe at home. Don’t advocate for cameras everywhere in order to supposedly defeat this boogie man you have created in your head. **** off.

You really cant have people driving like maniacs on public roads. Obviously we all speed from time to time, but the real belligerent driving is lethal and it is a problem.

That said, I dont like the camera solution, and I sense that much like the covid vaccine its real purpose is monetary/political and not public safety related.

But drivers texting and streaming and such is a real hazard these days and worth finding an appropriate solution to IMO.

[Nanners]

Just putting out both sides of the issues. Since this is the first time I heard of the camera thing, I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet or taking any stances. Also stating my own observations and understanding of the facts (traffic fatalities did spike during the pandemic, which is not what was expected if less people are driving). I also know a traffic engineer and I'm going to ask him about this topic.

I thought you were a libertarian? How does a libertarian end up with a laughably nonsensical govt job like "traffic engineer"? What does "traffic engineer" even mean, you run computer simulations on how many lanes a highway should have?

Rush hour traffic in Portland (a relatively small city in the grand scheme of things) has been a complete clusterfvck for almost a decade, with virtually no action by fed or state govt to help resolve it... when can I expect a "traffic engineer" to come solve our problems?

If you really are a traffic engineer, and traffic management is your whole career, how is this thread the first time you have heard anything about this speed camera plan? Do you normally learn things about your job from inside hoops OTC or is this a first for you?

Anyway, regardless of whether you are still libertarian or not, I appreciate the fact that ultimately your post is encouraging people to forsake our useless and clueless govt... I suppose maybe you still are a libertarian after all

I miss the old falc

[Nanners]

You really cant have people driving like maniacs on public roads. Obviously we all speed from time to time, but the real belligerent driving is lethal and it is a problem.

That said, I dont like the camera solution, and I sense that much like the covid vaccine its real purpose is monetary/political and not public safety related.

But drivers texting and streaming and such is a real hazard these days and worth finding an appropriate solution to IMO.

How exactly are speed cameras on highways going to stop texting/streaming? by ticketing drivers who happen to have their gaze pointed downward as they pass the camera? What if you have to look down at your lap for a split second?

I hate distracted drivers as much as anyone, but theres no solution to the problem that doesnt include opressive levels of monitoring, and personally I will take distracted drivers over an expansion of the surveillance state any day.

[FultzNationRISE]

How exactly are speed cameras on highways going to stop texting/streaming? by ticketing drivers who happen to have their gaze pointed downward as they pass the camera? What if you have to look down at your lap for a split second?

I hate distracted drivers as much as anyone, but theres no solution to the problem that doesnt include opressive levels of monitoring, and personally I will take distracted drivers over an expansion of the surveillance state any day.

Well as I said, I dont like the camera solution either. Tbh I dont know what the answer is, I just think roads increasingly filled with texting teenagers and dudes like Henry Ruggs III pushing 140 is a legitimate concern.

[falc39]

I thought you were a libertarian? How does a libertarian end up with a laughably nonsensical govt job like "traffic engineer"? What does "traffic engineer" even mean, you run computer simulations on how many lanes a highway should have?

Rush hour traffic in Portland (a relatively small city in the grand scheme of things) has been a complete clusterfvck for almost a decade, with virtually no action by fed or state govt to help resolve it... when can I expect a "traffic engineer" to come solve our problems?

If you really are a traffic engineer, and traffic management is your whole career, how is this thread the first time you have heard anything about this speed camera plan? Do you normally learn things about your job from inside hoops OTC or is this a first for you?

Anyway, regardless of whether you are still libertarian or not, I appreciate the fact that ultimately your post is encouraging people to forsake our useless and clueless govt... I suppose maybe you still are a libertarian after all

I miss the old falc

Did you misread my post????

Also, I don't understand the need to attack traffic engineers? They design roads and other things like traffic signals?

[Nanners]

Did you misread my post????

Also, I don't understand the need to attack traffic engineers? They design roads and other things like traffic signals?

I read your post just fine.

You really cant understand why I would attack a so-called "traffic engineer" who is suggesting that we might need to spend billions of my tax dollars to put speed cameras all over my roads?

Why arent you intelligent anymore? What the hell happened to you man? You used to be one of the most interesting and insightful posters around here, but now you might as well be metichode or some other brain dead normie.

[Nanners]

Well as I said, I dont like the camera solution either. Tbh I dont know what the answer is, I just think roads increasingly filled with texting teenagers and dudes like Henry Ruggs III pushing 140 is a legitimate concern.

I guess its a little concerning, but in the grand scheme of concerns, the danger posed by texting teens is nothing compared to the fascist covid technocracy that has spent the past year or two taking control of this country and most of the developed world.

Ultimately these cameras have nothing to do with safety or texting... obviously Joe Biden doesnt give a shit about the safety of american roads. This legislation is about one thing - increasing control and wealth for the ruling class.

[FultzNationRISE]

I guess its a little concerning, but in the grand scheme of concerns, the danger posed by texting teens is nothing compared to the fascist covid technocracy that has spent the past year or two taking control of this country and most of the developed world.

Ultimately these cameras have nothing to do with safety or texting... obviously Joe Biden doesnt give a shit about the safety of american roads. This legislation is about one thing - increasing control and wealth for the ruling class.

For sure, I'm not suggesting one is the solution to the other.

But telling people to stay off roads if they dont like it only works if the people remaining wanna fund the roads on their own.

At some point youll get enough people saying "we dont use em, we aint funding em."

Then when the remaining drivers are doing 100+ into giant pot holes or piled up animal carcasses.... they might start singing a different tune.

[bladefd]

Did you misread my post????

Also, I don't understand the need to attack traffic engineers? They design roads and other things like traffic signals?

Nanners is a moron. He doubled down on thinking you are a traffic engineer lmao.. He has completely gone off the deep end the last few years. Ignore him.

[warriorfan]

You are not bright, are you?

I didn't say whether I'm for or against extra cameras. I just asked 2 questions and without answers to those 2 questions, I can't take a side. The entire premise of the OP seems to be agenda-driven, but I will still wait for long Dong to find out for me the answers to the 2 questions.

Dude, no one gives a shit enough about your opinion even if you were competent enough to do your own research, the fact that you seriously expect someone else to do your work just to gain an insight on your opinion is so far removed from reality that it’s absolutely insane.

[warriorfan]

If you go back and read my post, you will see that I didn't state that I was for or against it. It's not asking for more regulation to point out that there are more traffic fatalities than normal and that there are more drivers driving recklessly than before. The laws drivers need to follow are already on the books and cameras don't change that dummy.

You were defending it even if you were trying to be subtle.

[Nanners]

For sure, I'm not suggesting one is the solution to the other.

But telling people to stay off roads if they dont like it only works if the people remaining wanna fund the roads on their own.

At some point youll get enough people saying "we dont use em, we aint funding em."

Then when the remaining drivers are doing 100+ into giant pot holes or piled up animal carcasses.... they might start singing a different tune.

I love you but this is bullshit IMO.

I have never heard of anyone staying off the roads because they're scared of other drivers. Maybe texting drivers is some catastrophic problem in LA or wherever you are living these days, but in Oregon it isnt (even in downtown Portland)... and if you truly are afraid of other drivers then thats your problem and maybe you should stay off the roads (just like you should stay home if you have a problem with people who decide to go unvaxxed or unmasked)

and I hope people do start saying "we dont use em, we aint funding em"... we should defund most of the govt IMO (especially traffic engineers)

[warriorfan]

For sure, I'm not suggesting one is the solution to the other.

But telling people to stay off roads if they dont like it only works if the people remaining wanna fund the roads on their own.

At some point youll get enough people saying "we dont use em, we aint funding em."

Then when the remaining drivers are doing 100+ into giant pot holes or piled up animal carcasses.... they might start singing a different tune.

Well good luck with that. A lot of people say that about certain things and it doesn’t ever really go anywhere.

[falc39]

I read your post just fine.

You really cant understand why I would attack a so-called "traffic engineer" who is suggesting that we might need to spend billions of my tax dollars to put speed cameras all over my roads?

Why arent you intelligent anymore? What the hell happened to you man? You used to be one of the most interesting and insightful posters around here, but now you might as well be metichode or some other brain dead normie.

Man, you need to chill. I don't know much about what the Biden administration is proposing because right now it is just proposals and I don't keep tabs on everything they do. Me stating that I would want to understand more about this is pretty reasonable, far more than just making a bunch of assumptions and then personal attacks on someone.


What the hell happened to you man?

I really cut down on my posting here because it isn't worth the time anymore. Most of you guys don't seem to care much for insight, you just want to hear things to reinforce your own opinions or hurl insults at each other. And this is a great example. That's what happened.

[FultzNationRISE]

I love you but this is bullshit IMO.

I have never heard of anyone staying off the roads because they're scared of other drivers. Maybe texting drivers is some catastrophic problem in LA or wherever you are living these days, but in Oregon it isnt (even in downtown Portland)... and if you truly are afraid of other drivers then thats your problem and maybe you should stay off the roads (just like you should stay home if you have a problem with people who decide to go unvaxxed or unmasked)

and I hope people do start saying "we dont use em, we aint funding em"... we should defund most of the govt IMO (especially traffic engineers)

It was literally suggested in the post I responded to :lol

Also I am not personally deterred from driving. I was simply responding theoretically. It’s fine to say ‘if you dont like someone’s behavior in their home or private business, dont go there.’ Public spaces are a bit different because theyre publicly funded. They have to be used in ways a majority of the public is comfortable with, or there is no funding. Thats just the way it is.

If you think roads SHOULD be defunded altogether, thats fine. I think it’s a bit extreme in practice but it’s consistent. But you cant fund roads just to have drunks and teenage retards out there killing people on them. They either have to be regulated somehow, or not funded.

[falc39]

You were defending it even if you were trying to be subtle.

No, I was laying out both sides as I know it. If I were to vote on this today, I would probably vote no, pending what I find out about it later. What I wont defend is reckless drivers and drivers who think its ok to break the laws that are already in place for the driving public.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well good luck with that. A lot of people say that about certain things and it doesn’t ever really go anywhere.

Yeah but I think thats more often the case with things that are fairly out of sight and out of mind once the issue blows over. Of course theres a lot of unpopular bullshit that still gets funding for political reasons. But its done more or less quietly.

Roads are everywhere. If you have pink haired zoomers out there endangering everyone on them, its likely gonna stay a front burner issue.

[Nanners]

Man, you need to chill. I don't know much about what the Biden administration is proposing because right now it is just proposals and I don't keep tabs on everything they do. Me stating that I would want to understand more about this is pretty reasonable, far more than just making a bunch of assumptions and then personal attacks on someone.

I am plenty chill... you need to do a better job making coherent comments and learning about the issues you are commenting on (especially when its an issue that is supposedly your job).

Why dont you go back and re-read the thread. Your first post in this thread was "yeah theres privacy concerns but muh distracted drivers", your second and third posts were talking shit to warriorfan after he called you out for being a neurotic shut-in. It was not until your fourth post (where you were responding to me challenging your nonsense) that you said anything about how you need to understand more about the situation and you arent jumping to conclusions... and now that I have thoroughly demolished your nonsense youre gonna cry to me about how you were supposedly being reasonable and its not fair to make assumptions about people? As your boy Biden says - Cmon man! I know you can do better than this


I really cut down on my posting here because it isn't worth the time anymore. Most of you guys don't seem to care much for insight, you just want to hear things to reinforce your own opinions or hurl insults at each other. And this is a great example. That's what happened.

No. The real reason you cut down your posting here is because you went from being a ruthlessly logical libertarian who could argue any political point vs virtually everyone, to being a sorry and predictable liberal normie with copy+pasted opinions.

The only thing that pisses me off about this exchange is that I am not kidding about missing the old you... I genuinely hope you prove me wrong with a response so devastating that I dont even know how to begin to respond... but I wont hold my breath for that

[Nanners]

It was literally suggested in the post I responded to :lol

Also I am not personally deterred from driving. I was simply responding theoretically. It’s fine to say ‘if you dont like someone’s behavior in their home or private business, dont go there.’ Public spaces are a bit different because theyre publicly funded. They have to be used in ways a majority of the public is comfortable with, or there is no funding. Thats just the way it is.

If you think roads SHOULD be defunded altogether, thats fine. I think it’s a bit extreme in practice but it’s consistent. But you cant fund roads just to have drunks and teenage retards out there killing people on them. They either have to be regulated somehow, or not funded.

Obviously we need functional roads if were gonna have a society, I mainly just think we shouldnt be wasting billions on an enormous speed camera system

[warriorfan]

If speeding and texting while driving is such a huge problem I’m sure there are better ways of addressing it then to set up networks of cameras for speeding traps and surveillance.

I don’t really even see how the cameras will prevent the texting and driving though which seems to be a huge concern with a select few here.

[Nanners]

In addition to being a waste of my tax dollars, I dispute the idea that permanent speed cameras do jack shit to slow people down or increase road safety. Regular/local commuters know exactly where these cameras are, the only people who get zapped are tourists and idiots.

I used to drive past ~5 permanent speed cameras on my old commute, I would just set my cruise control to 9mph over the limit as I was passing the cameras, and then go back to +14mph for the rest of the drive.

[falc39]

I am plenty chill... you need to do a better job making coherent comments and learning about the issues you are commenting on (especially when its an issue that is supposedly your job).

Why dont you go back and re-read the thread. Your first post in this thread was "yeah theres privacy concerns but muh distracted drivers", your second and third posts were talking shit to warriorfan after he called you out for being a neurotic shut-in. It was not until your fourth post (where you were responding to me challenging your nonsense) that you said anything about how you need to understand more about the situation and you arent jumping to conclusions... and now that I have thoroughly demolished your nonsense youre gonna cry to me about how you were supposedly being reasonable and its not fair to make assumptions about people? As your boy Biden says - Cmon man! I know you can do better than this



No. The real reason you cut down your posting here is because you went from being a ruthlessly logical libertarian who could argue any political point vs virtually everyone, to being a sorry and predictable liberal normie with copy+pasted opinions.

The only thing that pisses me off about this exchange is that I am not kidding about missing the old you... I genuinely hope you prove me wrong with a response so devastating that I dont even know how to begin to respond... but I wont hold my breath for that

There are my own observations and I know statistics do show greater traffic fatalities lately (thanks for leaving that part out in your reply). Sorry if those can't make sense to you or you can't connect why it would be concerning to someone. You haven't demolished anything other than ask a bunch of questions about something you revealed you don't know much about either. warriorfan's initial reply to me was "LeT mE LiVe my LiFE". Truly remarkable. What insight. Totally showed me :rolleyes:

Since you insist to make everything personal, I am mostly libertarian but have been slowly distancing myself from some of them because of how obsessed some are becoming. Add to that the horrible arguments they make that make the rest of us look bad. You are actually correct that I WAS a traffic engineer for a couple years but that was a long time ago. I've moved on since then and don't do much of that because traffic engineering is a small subset of civil engineering. That doesn't mean I know everything about it so you need to be careful about the assumptions that you make (lol that you think I'm a liberal). And you clearly have no clue why I don't post here anymore.

Instead of missing the old me, maybe you should ask yourself why you haven't changed. There is a lot I said before, some that I would take back and some that I would still defend. 10-15+ years on the forum and your arguments are literally the same, no added depth or any more convincing. That isn't something to be proud of in my opinion. I don't idealize my past self (I'm actually quite critical of my past) and maybe you should be too.

[falc39]

Obviously we need functional roads if were gonna have a society, I mainly just think we shouldnt be wasting billions on an enormous speed camera system

I'm pretty sure the problem is that government can't have police enforcing 24/7 for traffic tickets everywhere as that is even more expensive, so it doesn't surprise me the solutions that are now being offered are of the automated type. This is a general trend in society we are seeing in many industries (not just government). I don't like it either but I see why they would be pushing for it.

[falc39]

If speeding and texting while driving is such a huge problem I’m sure there are better ways of addressing it then to set up networks of cameras for speeding traps and surveillance.

I don’t really even see how the cameras will prevent the texting and driving though which seems to be a huge concern with a select few here.

Like what better ways?

Keep in mind there are cameras already for:
-speed enforcement
-toll booths
-red-light running

Texting is a tough one to watch for but speed enforcement can be automated like the other two above.

[Nanners]

There are my own observations and I know statistics do show greater traffic fatalities lately (thanks for leaving that part out in your reply). Sorry if those can't make sense to you or you can't connect why it would be concerning to someone. You haven't demolished anything other than ask a bunch of questions about something you revealed you don't know much about either. warriorfan's initial reply to me was "LeT mE LiVe my LiFE". Truly remarkable. What insight. Totally showed me :rolleyes:

Overdose deaths are skyrocketing, suicides are way up, deaths related to obesity are up, the murder rate in my city (Portland) increased +800% compared to last year... I dont want people to die from anything, but traffic deaths are not exactly the top of my priority list given all the other problems we have right now, and even if traffic deaths were my top concern I seriously doubt that installing a bunch of speed cameras would save very many lives.


Since you insist to make everything personal, I am mostly libertarian but have been slowly distancing myself from some of them because of how obsessed some are becoming. Add to that the horrible arguments they make that make the rest of us look bad. You are actually correct that I WAS a traffic engineer for a couple years but that was a long time ago. I've moved on since then and don't do much of that because traffic engineering is a small subset of civil engineering. That doesn't mean I know everything about it so you need to be careful about the assumptions that you make (lol that you think I'm a liberal). And you clearly have no clue why I don't post here anymore.

Would you rather I be impersonal? Want me to pretend that I never noticed your posts and treat you like anyone else spouting normie nonsense?

I think I know exactly why you dont post here anymore. Like I said, you used to be able to defend yourself and your positions with logic and reason, and your ability to do this made you one of my favorite posters. Sadly you seem to have embraced lazy emotional wokeness in recent years, and because your past self set such a high bar for discussion its probably awkward and embarassing that youre no longer capable of arguing anything insightful or meaningful.


Instead of missing the old me, maybe you should ask yourself why you haven't changed. There is a lot I said before, some that I would take back and some that I would still defend. 10-15+ years on the forum and your arguments are literally the same, no added depth or any more convincing. That isn't something to be proud of in my opinion. I don't idealize my past self (I'm actually quite critical of my past) and maybe you should be too.

LOL, ask Patrick Chewing or Starface (the two posters I have attacked more than anyone else on this site) whether I have changed. Back when you were a regular around here I was arguing for Bernie and medicare for all...these days I am able to recognize Bernie as the useless cuck that he is, and I can see that medicare for all as the govt sees it is just a govt scheme to overcharge and/or deprive american citizens of their already comically overpriced healthcare.

I am far more critical of my past self than you have ever been. I have no problem admitting that many positions I promoted for years on this site were completely wrong... remind me, what exactly were you wrong about again?

[FultzNationRISE]

We've all evolved over the years, which is healthy and important methinks.

Nobody starts out knowing everything, so if you're not evolving with time... it means youre probably not learning.

That said, we don't all follow the same evolutionary path. We're all right about some things and wrong about other things at different points in time. Sometimes there never ends up being a clear right or wrong to a particular issue.

It's fine to still have disagreements. As long as we're of generally similar minds about wanting whatever proves best for our society, why not keep the debate healthy and civil amongst each other. No need to turn hostile over dialogue.

If radical retards like ItsMillerTime show up, we can give him a good clowning. But let's allow for differences among reasonable people :cheers:

[falc39]

Overdose deaths are skyrocketing, suicides are way up, deaths related to obesity are up, the murder rate in my city (Portland) increased +800% compared to last year... I dont want people to die from anything, but traffic deaths are not exactly the top of my priority list given all the other problems we have right now, and even if traffic deaths were my top concern I seriously doubt that installing a bunch of speed cameras would save very many lives.


That's not how government works. They do try to address other things and improving these issues aren't mutually exclusive. They don't do it perfectly but it's not like "here is a list of most deaths and you're only allowed to try and improve the top 5". If it's not your top priority, that's your opinion. You doubt speed cameras can help save lives. Ok, that's also your opinion. I have observations and opinions too. Unless you have data or studies to show it, it isn't demolishing anything but just stating your opinion. The only difference is that I am willing to state that I don't know everything yet instead of just passing off my opinions as fact and that I "demolished" someone. You haven't demolished anyone.


Would you rather I be impersonal? Want me to pretend that I never noticed your posts and treat you like anyone else spouting normie nonsense?

I think I know exactly why you dont post here anymore. Like I said, you used to be able to defend yourself and your positions with logic and reason, and your ability to do this made you one of my favorite posters. Sadly you seem to have embraced lazy emotional wokeness in recent years, and because your past self set such a high bar for discussion its probably awkward and embarassing that youre no longer capable of arguing anything insightful or meaningful.

I rather you stay on topic and not waste our time. I am not interested in derailing threads. I'm really interested in discussing the actual topic of discussion, not trying to hash out what was said 10 years ago or if I am a libertarian or not (which in reality, is only a political label).


LOL, ask Patrick Chewing or Starface (the two posters I have attacked more than anyone else on this site) whether I have changed. Back when you were a regular around here I was arguing for Bernie and medicare for all...these days I am able to recognize Bernie as the useless cuck that he is, and I can see that medicare for all as the govt sees it is just a govt scheme to overcharge and/or deprive american citizens of their already comically overpriced healthcare.

I am far more critical of my past self than you have ever been. I have no problem admitting that many positions I promoted for years on this site were completely wrong... remind me, what exactly were you wrong about again?

A lot of things on economics did not come true and I stated a lot of things without properly backing it up. But then again, I am not here to rehash old stuff or talk about the old days. I still hold some of the same views but I would have done a lot more homework if I were to approach it again. I also said some things about climate change and pollution that I take back.

[Nanners]

That's not how government works. They do try to address other things and improving these issues aren't mutually exclusive. They don't do it perfectly but it's not like "here is a list of most deaths and you're only allowed to try and improve the top 5". If it's not your top priority, that's your opinion. You doubt speed cameras can help save lives. Ok, that's also your opinion. I have observations and opinions too. Unless you have data or studies to show it, it isn't demolishing anything but just stating your opinion. The only difference is that I am willing to state that I don't know everything yet instead of just passing off my opinions as fact and that I "demolished" someone. You haven't demolished anyone.

Of course its not how the government works, the government doesnt work at all.

If you want to claim that speed cameras save lives, lets see your data. Do you not know how science works? I am claiming the null hypothesis here (speed cameras dont save many lives), its not my job to prove that something isnt happening, its your job to prove that it is happening... and in the meantime you have been DEMOLISHED :oldlol:


I rather you stay on topic and not waste our time. I am not interested in derailing threads. I'm really interested in discussing the actual topic of discussion, not trying to hash out what was said 10 years ago or if I am a libertarian or not (which in reality, is only a political label).

My apologies for responding to specific points that you made earlier. If you really want to stay on topic and not waste our time then maybe you should do that, instead of writing paragraphs about how I make everything personal and how I need to make less assumptions about the reason you fled this site.


A lot of things on economics did not come true and I stated a lot of things without properly backing it up. But then again, I am not here to rehash old stuff or talk about the old days. I still hold some of the same views but I would have done a lot more homework if I were to approach it again. I also said some things about climate change and pollution that I take back.

Lets rewind this part of the conversation a bit. You said that I havent ever changed and my arguments are the same over the past 10-15 years. I responded by citing some very specific things (people and issues) that I have been wrong about. When I asked you what you were wrong about, you said "a lot of things about economics" and "some things about climate change and pollution"... obviously you were wrong about a lot of things, can you name anything specific?

[falc39]

Of course its not how the government works, the government doesnt work at all.

If you want to claim that speed cameras save lives, lets see your data. Do you not know how science works? I am claiming the null hypothesis here (speed cameras dont save many lives), its not my job to prove that something isnt happening, its your job to prove that it is happening... and in the meantime you have been DEMOLISHED :oldlol:

You jumped the gun again. I haven't claimed that nor have I taken a side. I did say that traffic fatalities have significantly went up during the pandemic and that I know is out there. I can find links to this if you really need it but this one is really easy to Google.


My apologies for responding to specific points that you made earlier. If you really want to stay on topic and not waste our time then maybe you should do that, instead of writing paragraphs about how I make everything personal and how I need to make less assumptions about the reason you fled this site.

Did I really flee this site? Look how many posts I have- a lot less than you. Maybe I was never as committed in the first place and I have an actual life to live than political ranting all day? So much of your posting is ego-based, like you think I care if I got "demolished" or I care about the individual characters of this forum and what they posted before. It means little to nothing. I just value my time, that's all there is to it. You care so much about political labels, posting records, and other things that in the big scheme of things is mostly meaningless, especially when I don't even know anyone personally here.


Lets rewind this part of the conversation a bit. You said that I havent ever changed and my arguments are the same over the past 10-15 years. I responded by citing some very specific things (people and issues) that I have been wrong about. When I asked you what you were wrong about, you said "a lot of things about economics" and "some things about climate change and pollution"... obviously you were wrong about a lot of things, can you name anything specific?

Of course I can name things specific, but I don't remember a lot of my posts over many years so it's not like I know detailed specifics.
-I made predictions on the economy will crash when it didn't (yet). I still believe it will but my post and way of communicating this were very naive.
-I made predictions on currency, bonds, and the stock market that didn't come true. My actual understanding of this was pretty off.
-I made some bad assumptions about cryptocurrency
-I previously stated that climate change wouldn't be an issue in our lifetime but may affect other generations in the long future
-I made a bunch of false statements about fracking

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there is more but I will not waste any more time on this part of the conversation anymore.

[Nanners]

You jumped the gun again. I haven't claimed that nor have I taken a side. I did say that traffic fatalities have significantly went up during the pandemic and that I know is out there. I can find links to this if you really need it but this one is really easy to Google.

If you arent claiming that traffic cameras will save lives, then why are you arguing my posts with responses like this.


I'm pretty sure the problem is that government can't have police enforcing 24/7 for traffic tickets everywhere as that is even more expensive, so it doesn't surprise me the solutions that are now being offered are of the automated type.

The next time you want to argue a point with me, I dare you to take a coherent stance and stick with it, instead of this chickenshit nonsense where you pretend to take a stance in an attempt to refute me, and then claim that you never actually took a stance after you get DEMOLISHED

WTF exactly is your position anyway? If your intention is to say nothing at all then maybe you should just go back into hiding


Did I really flee this site? Look how many posts I have- a lot less than you. Maybe I was never as committed in the first place and I have an actual life to live than political ranting all day? So much of your posting is ego-based, like you think I care if I got "demolished" or I care about the individual characters of this forum and what they posted before. It means little to nothing. I just value my time, that's all there is to it. You care so much about political labels, posting records, and other things that in the big scheme of things is mostly meaningless, especially when I don't even know anyone personally here.

Yes you did really flee this site, and given the fact that I have averaged around ~2-3 posts per day in my years on this site theres no doubt you are 100% correct that I have no life and spend all of my time posting political rants here. I hope you keep going after my ego, thats an angle thats definitely gonna work for ya... and I love that you are trying to claim you dont care about being "demolished" despite the fact that earlier in this thread you repeatedly claimed that you have not been demolished (btw you have). Anyway, if you value your time then why are you wasting it attempting to refute my points with nonsense and then claiming "uhh akshually I never actually argued anything" after I DEMOLISH you?



Of course I can name things specific, but I don't remember a lot of my posts over many years so it's not like I know detailed specifics.
-I made predictions on the economy will crash when it didn't (yet). I still believe it will but my post and way of communicating this were very naive.
-I made predictions on currency, bonds, and the stock market that didn't come true. My actual understanding of this was pretty off.
-I made some bad assumptions about cryptocurrency
-I previously stated that climate change wouldn't be an issue in our lifetime but may affect other generations in the long future
-I made a bunch of false statements about fracking

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there is more but I will not waste any more time on this part of the conversation anymore.

Do you really not understand what "specific" means?

What specifically were your predictions about the inevitable economic crash and how specifically were you wrong?
What exactly were your currency/bond predictions that were inaccurate?
What specifically were your bad assumptions about crypto?
What exactly did you say about fracking that was false?

You really dont remember a single specific thing you have ever been wrong about? And you think I have the ego problem here?

"My time is too valuable to spend on this website (yet here I am), and I was maybe wrong on the economy and crypto and plenty of other stuff, in ways that I cannot remember or articulate... but you care about this site more than me so ur automatically wrong"

:roll:

[falc39]

If you arent claiming that traffic cameras will save lives, then why are you arguing my posts with responses like this.



The next time you want to argue a point with me, I dare you to take a coherent stance and stick with it, instead of this chickenshit nonsense where you pretend to take a stance in an attempt to refute me, and then claim that you never actually took a stance after you get DEMOLISHED

WTF exactly is your position anyway? If your intention is to say nothing at all then maybe you should just go back into hiding



Yes you did really flee this site, and given the fact that I have averaged around ~2-3 posts per day in my years on this site theres no doubt you are 100% correct that I have no life and spend all of my time political ranting. I hope you keep going after my ego, thats an angle thats definitely gonna work for ya... and I love that you are trying to claim you dont care about being "demolished" despite the fact that earlier in this thread you repeatedly claimed that you have not been demolished (btw you actually have). Anyway, if you value your time then why are you wasting it attempting to refute my points with nonsense and then claiming "uhh akshually I never actually argued anything" when I waste my time DEMOLISHING you?



Do you really not understand what "specific" means?

What specifically were your predictions about the inevitable economic crash and how specifically were you wrong?
What exactly were your currency/bond predictions that were inaccurate?
What specifically were your bad assumptions about crypto?
What exactly did you say about fracking that was false?

You really dont remember a single specific thing you have ever been wrong about? And you think I have the ego problem here?

"My time is too valuable to spend on this website (yet here I am), and I was wrong on the economy and crypto and plenty of other stuff, in ways that I cannot articulate... but you care about this site more than me so ur automatically wrong"

:roll:

Dude, you are insufferable. Not sure why you have such a problem with what I have said when I literally came into this thread saying that I don't know a lot about what Biden is proposing but here are some things I do know about and have observed.

Yes, it is exactly my intention to learn more about this and form a real opinion over time. There is nothing wrong with wanting to know both sides of an issue before taking a stance. Does that make you triggered for some reason? I responded with the personal stuff because you were making a lot of wrong assumptions about me (I am not a liberal, etc.). And sorry, I'm not going to go back in history and talk about all those things I said many years ago, go look for them in their threads.

Sorry guys, how do you deal with this? This is nuts and insane

[Nanners]

Dude, you are insufferable. Not sure why you have such a problem with what I have said when I literally came into this thread saying that I don't know a lot about what Biden is proposing but here are some things I do know about and have observed.

Yes, it is exactly my intention to learn more about this and form an opinion over time. There is nothing wrong with wanting to know both sides of an issue before taking a stance. Does that make you triggered for some reason? I responded with the personal stuff because you were making a lot of wrong assumptions about me (I am not a liberal, etc.). And sorry, I'm not going to go back in history and talk about all those things I said many years ago, go look for them in their threads.

Sorry guys, how do you deal with this? This is nuts and insane

I came into this thread calling you out for arguing in favor of these cameras while pretending to have concerns about it. I encourage everyone who is interested (hopefully nobody) to see how this discussion started for themselves http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501480-Biden-will-spend-billions-from-infrastructure-bill-putting-speed-cameras-all-over-US&p=14530386&viewfull=1#post14530386

What makes me triggered is seeing a guy who used to be one of my favorite posters become a sad and predictable woke jabroni who argues in favor of the surveillance state, while simultaneously claiming that hes never taken any position or supported any argument whatsoever the moment he is called out on his bullshit. I am triggered by a guy who claims that I think I have never been wrong, and then when I post very specific examples of being very wrong and ask for him to do the same, he says "umm economy and crypto"

How do "the guys" deal with me? Instead of taking your overly sensitive and defensive approach, most people around here actually take a coherent position and stand by it, and when they get called out they defend their stance instead of whining about egos and post frequency or using other cheap tricks to distort reality

[bladefd]

Dude, you are insufferable. Not sure why you have such a problem with what I have said when I literally came into this thread saying that I don't know a lot about what Biden is proposing but here are some things I do know about and have observed.

Yes, it is exactly my intention to learn more about this and form a real opinion over time. There is nothing wrong with wanting to know both sides of an issue before taking a stance. Does that make you triggered for some reason? I responded with the personal stuff because you were making a lot of wrong assumptions about me (I am not a liberal, etc.). And sorry, I'm not going to go back in history and talk about all those things I said many years ago, go look for them in their threads.

Sorry guys, how do you deal with this? This is nuts and insane

Not worth it. Just let it be.

[falc39]

I came into this thread calling you out for arguing in favor of these cameras while pretending to have concerns about it. I encourage everyone who is interested (hopefully nobody) to see how this discussion started for themselves http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501480-Biden-will-spend-billions-from-infrastructure-bill-putting-speed-cameras-all-over-US&p=14530386&viewfull=1#post14530386

What makes me triggered is seeing a guy who used to be one of my favorite posters become a sad and predictable woke jabroni who argues in favor of the surveillance state, while simultaneously claiming that hes never taken any position or supported any argument whatsoever the moment he is called out on his bullshit. I am triggered by a guy who claims that I think I have never been wrong, and then when I post very specific examples of being very wrong and ask for him to do the same, he says "umm economy and crypto"


That's reading comprehension on your part .You stated that what I said could be interpreted as taking a stance. I corrected you and clarified my stance, and I even said later that I would probably be against it knowing just what I know now. But I said multiple times I am in the process of learning more. The only thing I took a stance on is that there is an increase in reckless driving and speeding, but I did not specifically say that speeding cameras are the solution. It's not my fault you keep assuming what my intentions are and you keep ignoring it when I point it out.

Maybe don't have me on your favorites list and therefore having certain expectations of how I post. It's too bad because you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

[Nanners]

That's reading comprehension on your part .You stated that what I said could be interpreted as taking a stance. I corrected you and clarified my stance, and I even said later that I would probably be against it knowing just what I know now. But I said multiple times I am in the process of learning more. The only thing I took a stance on is that there is an increase in reckless driving and speeding, but I did not specifically say that speeding cameras are the solution. It's not my fault you keep assuming what my intentions are and you keep ignoring it when I point it out.

Maybe don't have me on your favorites list and therefore having certain expectations of how I post. It's too bad because you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be.

Yeah I guess its my bad on the reading comprehension, I should have known that you were not really trying to say anything at all every time you made statements in response to posts that you quoted in this thread, my mistake thinking that you were actually trying to refute my point when you quoted me and posted an apparent rebuttal... if I had known you were gonna run for the hills every time you were asked to back up one of your claims I would be holding the door open for ya

Anyway youre still on my list of favorites... not because of who you used to be, but I admire and find humor in your attempts to argue against me while also claiming that you are arguing nothing at all

Ultimately I suppose I do still love you for who you used to be, and you cant do anything to stop me from loving you, you little bitch

[falc39]

If you want to claim that speed cameras save lives, lets see your data. Do you not know how science works? I am claiming the null hypothesis here (speed cameras dont save many lives), its not my job to prove that something isnt happening, its your job to prove that it is happening... and in the meantime you have been DEMOLISHED :oldlol:


Here is a summary of speed camera studies that do show the safety benefits of speed cameras:
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/calculator/factsheet/speed.html


A 2010 update to a 2006 Cochrane systematic review on the effectiveness of speed cameras included an additional nine high-quality studies and maintained the qualitative results from the previous review (C. Wilson, Willis, Hendrikz, Le Brocque, and Bellamy, 2010). The studies reported reductions in average speed of between 1 percent and 15 percent and reductions in the proportion of speeding vehicles of between 14 percent and 65 percent, relative to similar controls. Speed cameras also reduced total crashes 8 percent to 49 percent and fatal and serious-injury crashes 11 percent to 44 percent, in studies that compared pre- and postcrash data collected near camera sites.

The summary references the actual studies if you need to look them up. In my own short research, it appears the majority of studies show benefits while a minority of studies show little benefit. Industry sentiment of speed cameras do appear to suggest they work, which is one reason why we may be seeing a bigger push from the federal government on implementing them.


In addition to being a waste of my tax dollars, I dispute the idea that permanent speed cameras do jack shit to slow people down or increase road safety. Regular/local commuters know exactly where these cameras are, the only people who get zapped are tourists and idiots.

I used to drive past ~5 permanent speed cameras on my old commute, I would just set my cruise control to 9mph over the limit as I was passing the cameras, and then go back to +14mph for the rest of the drive.

Was this in Portland? Since you are from Portland, I decided to take a look at what they are doing:
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/citizen_engagement/Reports/Fixed%20Photo%20Radar%20System_Portland%202019-20_FINAL.pdf

You mentioned they were useless, but it looks like the City of Portland reached completely different conclusions in their data and studies. Not only that, they will be continuing their use of speed cameras, regardless of action from the Biden administration:

Table 3 (above) shows a sustained decrease over time in speeding on each corridor, and in
each direction, once the fixed speed safety cameras were installed. Additionally, on
corridors where the speed limit was reduced, the 85th percentile6 driving speed also
decreased. Figures (1) and (2) (below) are a graphical representation of these tables.

The City of Portland is committed to saving lives through safe street design, protecting
pedestrians, creating a culture of shared responsibility and reducing speeds citywide.
Portland employs an array of tools to reduce speeds, including fixed speed safety cameras.
The City is committed to continuing the use of fixed speed safety cameras in an equitable,
data-driven and accountable manner.