Is Mahomes the Curry of the NFL?

[FultzNationRISE]

Baby face light skin, PERFECT cast around him that often propels him thru the playoffs, but his own game is kinda more flash than substance and doesnt really translate to the big stage?

Asking for a friend.

[Wally450]

At least Mahomes has a Super Bowl MVP.

[FultzNationRISE]

At least Mahomes has a Super Bowl MVP.


:lebronamazed:

[AlternativeAcc.]

Best playoff stats in history.

Doesn't have a defense.

[AngelEyes]

Best playoff stats in history.

Doesn't have a defense.

He choked big time today. His defense played more than good enough for the Chiefs to win, Mahomes just got really tight and played awful in the second half and overtime.

[HunterSThompson]

At least Mahomes has a Super Bowl MVP.

that's why I got a mahomes rookie and passed on Currys


I might not like mahomes but he's at least worth investing in. curry isn't

[FultzNationRISE]

that's why I got a mahomes rookie and passed on Currys


I might not like mahomes but he's at least worth investing in. curry isn't


:lebronamazed:

[CelticBaller]

G Anus

[AirBonner]

Mahomes is like Brady but with less winning

[Axe]

Mahomes could be if he didn't have any iconic moments in his career.

[highwhey]

At least Mahomes has a Super Bowl MVP.

:roll:

[MrFonzworth]

https://voca.ro/1mO9qsux367a

[1987_Lakers]

He's had more clutch moments than Curry, but today was bad. That qualifies as a choke.

[tpols]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack. Mahomes RBs have been trash. Everybody knows he gonna throw it.

[kawhileonard2]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack. Mahones RBs have been trash. Everybody knows he gonna throw it.

No he won't it is like when Lebron won bronze medal and lost to Dwight with HCA and to Dirk with HCA.

[highwhey]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack. Mahomes RBs have been trash. Everybody knows he gonna throw it.

excuses.

[ShawkFactory]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack. Mahomes RBs have been trash. Everybody knows he gonna throw it.

They ran the ball very effectively in the playoffs.

[1987_Lakers]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack.

Good job ignoring the Bengals atrocious O-Line. Mahomes had a better O-Line with more weapons to throw to. Btw the Chiefs rushed for more yards than the Bengals today. No excuses for him losing today, they were at home and were big favorites to win.

[tpols]

No he won't it is like when Lebron won bronze medal and lost to Dwight with HCA and to Dirk with HCA.

I don't know what to make of this but Mahomes won the super bowl in his 2nd starting season and has made super bowl 2/3 prime years including today's loss. You can't win every year. Football is a frugal one and done game. The chiefs should've been more conservative when they got up. Instead of hitting a gas pedal.

[SouBeachTalents]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack. Mahomes RBs have been trash. Everybody knows he gonna throw it.
Nah, in terms of strictly resume/accomplishments nobody is ever topping Brady. Mahomes is already 0-2 h2h against him as the favorite and pissed away a golden opportunity today with an absolutely atrocious 2nd half.

[tpols]

Nah, in terms of strictly resume/accomplishments nobody is ever topping Brady. Mahomes is already 0-2 h2h against him as the favorite and pissed away a golden opportunity today with an absolutely atrocious 2nd half.

Go look at Brady's performances in his first 3 playoff runs. :lol mahomes is so far ahead its not funny. If he falls off a cliff going forward? Sure. He'll have to morph into derrick rose or some shit for you to say the above with certainty.

[kawhileonard2]

Go look at Brady's performances in his first 3 playoff runs. :lol mahomes is so far ahead its not funny. If he falls off a cliff going forward? Sure. He'll have to morph into derrick rose or some shit for you to say the above with certainty.

Brady won 3 superbowls in his first 4 seasons and has all the records and most superbowls titles ever more than any other franchise. Also turned a franchise that never won into a dynasty.

[HunterSThompson]

https://voca.ro/1mO9qsux367a


https://youtu.be/pfn8-ay7T0Q

[1987_Lakers]

Go look at Brady's performances in his first 3 playoff runs. :lol mahomes is so far ahead its not funny. If he falls off a cliff going forward? Sure. He'll have to morph into derrick rose or some shit for you to say the above with certainty.

Young Mahomes is a better QB than young Brady, but it's not fair to compare stats now to 2001-2004, the league now is way more QB friendly. I remember the days when throwing 20 TDs in a season was considered good, now people would laugh if a QB just throws 20 TD passes.

[SouBeachTalents]

Go look at Brady's performances in his first 3 playoff runs. :lol mahomes is so far ahead its not funny. If he falls off a cliff going forward? Sure. He'll have to morph into derrick rose or some shit for you to say the above with certainty.
I'm on record saying Mahomes is the most talented QB I've ever seen, so I'm not even talking about them on a skill or ability basis. And sure, Brady's first playoff run he really didn't do anything of note, but he had a great Super Bowl against the Panthers in '03 and played very well against the Steelers & Eagles in '04.

I don't think you quite appreciate how daunting it's gonna be for any QB to even get into the conversation for GOAT. In addition to needing at least 15 elite seasons, Mahome's gonna need 4-5 Super Bowls at minimum to get ANY public consensus behind him as the GOAT over Brady. And like I said, he's already lost twice to him as the favorite, crippling his argument even further :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Young Mahomes is a better QB than young Brady, but it's not fair to compare stats now to 2001-2004, the league now is way more QB friendly. I remember the days when throwing 20 TDs in a season was considered good, now people would laugh if a QB just throws 20 TD passes.

It's an impossible comparison to make.

Things are so vastly different now that they were in 2001.

[tpols]

Brady won 3 superbowls in his first 4 seasons and has all the records and most superbowls titles ever more than any other franchise. Also turned a franchise that never won into a dynasty.

And go look up his productions. Patriots were winning with a dynasty defense. In their first Super Bowl win Brady threw for one TD all playoffs. 145 yards thrown in the super bowl. Jeff Foster could've replaced him there. He's got great longevity and as a veteran clutchness, but he simply wasn't carrying his team like Mahomes does. And its not even close. Patriots and Bucs won with supremely elite defenses.

[1987_Lakers]

It's an impossible comparison to make.

Things are so vastly different now that they were in 2001.

I will say Brady had shit weapons in his first 6 years as a starter, the moment he got Moss & Welker his numbers exploded. Go back and look at his weapons in 2006, it was beyond bad.

[ShawkFactory]

I will say Brady had shit weapons in his first 6 years as a starter, the moment he got Moss & Welker his numbers exploded. Go back and look at his weapons in 2006, it was beyond bad.

Well that and they generally had a ground-and-pound, win-the-trenches philosophy. And it worked.

But when things got a little sideways Brady was capable of dropping 31 if need be.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well that and they generally had a ground-and-pound, win-the-trenches philosophy. And it worked.

But when things got a little sideways Brady was capable of dropping 31 if need be.

Yup, Pats had a lights out defense at that time and thats what they relied on to win, which also resulted in a lot of low scoring games.

In general, judging a quarterback by how many superbowls he wins is nonsense. ANY quarterback’s success is going to be more reliant on circumstance than individual status. Eli Manning has two superbowl titles while many far superior QBs have less. It’s bad enough people do this with basketball, but to do it with “the ultimate team sport” is beyond shallow.

I mean if your purpose is to basically figure out whose “resumé” is most conducive to creating some kind of Paul Bunyan type mythical hero, thats fine. But if youre talking about who’s actually the best player at the position, it’s meaningless. If Brady played his career with the Browns and Lions he never winds up with the career he had.

If you think Brady is the greatest thats fine, but explain it by detailing what he does better than other QBs.

“Rangz” is bad enough in basketball, in football it’s belligerently superficial.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yup, Pats had a lights out defense at that time and thats what they relied on to win, which also resulted in a lot of low scoring games.

In general, judging a quarterback by how many superbowls he wins is nonsense. ANY quarterback’s success is going to be more reliant on circumstance than individual status. Eli Manning has two superbowl titles while many far superior QBs have less. It’s bad enough people do this with basketball, but to do it with “the ultimate team sport” is beyond shallow.

I mean if your purpose is to basically figure out whose “resumé” is most conducive to creating some kind of Paul Bunyan type mythical hero, thats fine. But if youre talking about who’s actually the best player at the position, it’s meaningless. If Brady played his career with the Browns and Lions he never winds up with the career he had.

If you think Brady is the greatest thats fine, but explain it by detailing what he does better than other QBs.

“Rangz” is bad enough in basketball, in football it’s belligerently superficial.
I feel like Brady's career has been so defined by his rings it's overshadowed everything else he's done in his career. Take away the rings and he still has 3 MVP's, ATG numbers, the most passing yards and touchdowns in history, and even going by strictly peak his '07 season is one of, if not the greatest QB season in history. The rings argument has honestly almost hurt Brady as it's made him out to be a Bill Russell like player who only has championships to fall back on, when in fact his production alone would put him into the GOAT QB conversation.

[FultzNationRISE]

I feel like Brady's career has been so defined by his rings it's overshadowed everything else he's done in his career. Take away the rings and he still has 3 MVP's, ATG numbers, the most passing yards and touchdowns in history, and even going by strictly peak his '07 season is one of, if not the greatest QB season in history. The rings argument has honestly almost hurt Brady as it's made him out to be a Bill Russell like player who only has championships to fall back on, when in fact his production alone would put him into the GOAT QB conversation.

I agree, but to be honest, even numbers dont say much except what kind of a situation a guy was in. As pointed out, Brady’s own production was markedly different at different times of his career. Is that because he became a drastically different player? Of course not. The receivers, the rules, and the game planning around him changed. Brady was a great quarterback, who also played in very favorable circumstances. When you add those together, you get the best “resume” of all time. But that doesnt mean Brady is the best quarterback to ever play (Im also not saying he isnt, it’s subjective and difficult to analyze accurately ).

It’s a convenient and straightforward way to indulge in the debate, which is fine, but it’s not the be all, end all. It’s absurd to act like Brady is head and shoulders above the other great QBs as a player because of team-dependent results and numbers.

Brady certainly WASNT the most accurate passer. He WAS terrific at evading rushers from the pocket. He WASNT nimble outside the pocket. He WAS good in pressure situations.

These are the kinds of things youd have to compare with other greats. Stuff that doesnt depend on 20 other players and coaches in a given year to be true.

[ShawkFactory]

I agree, but to be honest, even numbers dont say much except what kind of a situation a guy was in. As pointed out, Brady’s own production was markedly different at different times of his career. Is that because he became a drastically different player? Of course not. The receivers, the rules, and the game planning around him changed. Brady was a great quarterback, who also played in very favorable circumstances. When you add those together, you get the best “resume” of all time. But that doesnt mean Brady is the best quarterback to ever play (Im also not saying he isnt, it’s subjective and difficult to analyze accurately ).

It’s a convenient and straightforward way to indulge in the debate, which is fine, but it’s not the be all, end all. It’s absurd to act like Brady is head and shoulders above the other great QBs as a player because of team-dependent results and numbers.

Brady certainly WASNT the most accurate passer. He WAS terrific at evading rushers from the pocket. He WASNT nimble outside the pocket. He WAS good in pressure situations.

These are the kinds of things youd have to compare with other greats. Stuff that doesnt depend on 20 other players and coaches in a given year to be true.

I honestly love hearing Trent Dilfer's takes on QBs these days ve the 80s/90s. Because you're right, circumstances matter.

Guys now complete 70% of their passes on the reg while Jim Kelly exclusively threw on 1st down and 3rd and long. And didn't dare throw a tight-window pass over the middle unless he felt like giving his receiver a concussion. And couldn't buy time like guys do now unless he felt like giving himself a concussion.

Things are so much easier now for quarterbacks that it's really impossible to compare. Brady played kind of in both eras and excelled. But the Patriots always had a great defense and having a dome team like the Colts play in January in Boston certainly worked to their advantage as well.

But with Brady there were too many clutch drives/quarters/halves to be able to reasonably argue someone else at this point. You could say he was the luckiest guy of all time and I wouldn't disagree with that either.

[FultzNationRISE]

I honestly love hearing Trent Dilfer's takes on QBs these days ve the 80s/90s. Because you're right, circumstances matter.

Guys now complete 70% of their passes on the reg while Jim Kelly exclusively threw on 1st down and 3rd and long. And didn't dare throw a tight-window pass over the middle unless he felt like giving his receiver a concussion. And couldn't buy time like guys do now unless he felt like giving himself a concussion.

Things are so much easier now for quarterbacks that it's really impossible to compare. Brady played kind of in both eras and excelled. But the Patriots always had a great defense and having a dome team like the Colts play in January in Boston certainly worked to their advantage as well.

But with Brady there were too many clutch drives/quarters/halves to be able to reasonably argue someone else at this point. You could say he was the luckiest guy of all time and I wouldn't disagree with that either.

Yep. Also, things like how a players fits in a certain situation is really important, and one way isnt necessarily better than another.

For instance if you swap Brady and Aaron Rodgers, Rodgers might not complete all the clutch comebacks... while Brady might not get as much success out of the comparatively weaker Packers as the athletic and live-armed Rodgers. Does that make Brady the “better” QB bc he was on a team that helped get him to a lot of tight, meaningful games that allowed him to do his thing?

Incidentally the old-timer Brady reminds me most of in terms of his stature and mechanics is Warren Moon, who put up huge numbers in his career. But the teams he played on were never realistic threats to be any kind of dynasty regardless of QB. What exactly makes Brady BETTER at playing QB than Moon? Basically only things you can measure by comparing entire teams/franchises.

So Im not taking anything away from TB. But to act like he was on some individual level that nobody else could make a case to be at, is a fallacy IMO. It’s fine to call him the GOAT, I just think it’s dumb to shut down the discussion of the GOAT by claiming “resumé!”

[Wally450]

Mahomes will likely go down as the GOAT QB. Jamar Chase and Joe Mixon are similar weapons to tyreek and Kelce. One could even say its better to have a great RB to balance out the passing attack. Mahomes RBs have been trash. Everybody knows he gonna throw it.

He'll go down as a very good QB, much like all the others that were heralded as the next GOAT.

Fact is, no one will ever come close to replicating what Brady did.

[PP34Deuce]

He's nothin like Curry except for being high yellow.....

He's also able to physically impose his will on a game. he can run 20+ yards or throw a 60 yard bomb while shrugging defenders.

I've always felt like he's potentially Aaron Rodgers on steroids. A lil more athletic, better attitude, desire to be dominant.

Bengals added a wrinkle to their game and it was dropping 7-8 in coverage to cover big play and the middle field. Didn't respect Mckinnon's game. Mahomes got antzy and tight after playing much looser in the first half.

[lakerstekkenn]

He'll go down as a very good QB, much like all the others that were heralded as the next GOAT.

Fact is, no one will ever come close to replicating what Brady did.\

Tom's record will be broken that's how sports work, it's only a matter of time the next dynasty will either break it or come close, Mahomes problem is he gets tight and panics when the pressure hits him, the other teams defense makes adjustments and puts pressure on him, he starts scrambling instead of the coaching staff making adjustments and run the ball, changing the plays by running screens and draw plays or runs picks with the tight end taking advantage of his size and strength like Brady does when he's shut out the Chiefs go into pass mode long scoring throws on third down and three this saps confidence and Mahomes really starts panicking, it doesn't help the Chiefs defense can't stop anybody this has been a problem since the AFC title game against Brady that shootout they lost, that defense couldn't stop anybody and the only time the defense played well was their Superbowl win. Last year the defense was terrible and couldn't stop Brady and the Buckners defense was incredible although sometimes they cheated but it wasn't called, this year's defense was terrible again and not kicking that field goal hurt the team, a major mistake but Andy Reid constantly makes bonehead decisions and no defense no rings, no smart coaching no dynasty. The only thing is ESPN highlights, and he could've been the best ever talk but Mahomes only has one ring like the others, put Mahomes on the Stealers or the 49ers with those defenses it's a New England type of dynasty if he stays with the Chiefs, it's no defense no rings and flashy wins ESPN highlights and one win away from another Superbowl but always coming up short.

[lakerstekkenn]

He's nothin like Curry except for being high yellow.....

He's also able to physically impose his will on a game. he can run 20+ yards or throw a 60 yard bomb while shrugging defenders.

I've always felt like he's potentially Aaron Rodgers on steroids. A lil more athletic, better attitude, desire to be dominant.

Bengals added a wrinkle to their game and it was dropping 7-8 in coverage to cover big play and the middle field. Didn't respect Mckinnon's game. Mahomes got antzy and tight after playing much looser in the first half.

Put him on a team with better coaching a solid defense Patrick wins multiple rings and they have a dynasty he's good enough to tie Tom or pass him on the right team like the Stealers or 49ers or Patriots those coaching staffs and team defense are prime ready for a dynasty if he stays with the Chiefs, it's Aaron Rogers all over again multiple AFC title games but coming up short.

[SouBeachTalents]

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Tom's record will be broken that's how sports work, it's only a matter of time the next dynasty will either break it or come close, Mahomes problem is he gets tight and panics when the pressure hits him, the other teams defense makes adjustments and puts pressure on him, he starts scrambling instead of the coaching staff making adjustments and run the ball, changing the plays by running screens and draw plays or runs picks with the tight end taking advantage of his size and strength like Brady does when he's shut out the Chiefs go into pass mode long scoring throws on third down and three this saps confidence and Mahomes really starts panicking, it doesn't help the Chiefs defense can't stop anybody this has been a problem since the AFC title game against Brady that shootout they lost, that defense couldn't stop anybody and the only time the defense played well was their Superbowl win. Last year the defense was terrible and couldn't stop Brady and the Buckners defense was incredible although sometimes they cheated but it wasn't called, this year's defense was terrible again and not kicking that field goal hurt the team, a major mistake but Andy Reid constantly makes bonehead decisions and no defense no rings, no smart coaching no dynasty. The only thing is ESPN highlights, and he could've been the best ever talk but Mahomes only has one ring like the others, put Mahomes on the Stealers or the 49ers with those defenses it's a New England type of dynasty if he stays with the Chiefs, it's no defense no rings and flashy wins ESPN highlights and one win away from another Superbowl but always coming up short.
GTFOH :oldlol:. Mahomes, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Favre & Warner have as many Super Bowls as Brady combined. No other QB has even won more than 2 over the last 25 years. You'd have to be delusional to believe anyone is ever breaking that record.

[Im so nba'd out]

Yes

Harden = ARod (without the ring)
LeBron = Brady
Trae = tyler murray
Nikola Jokic = Josh Allen
Embiid = Derrick Henry (cept he shows up in the playoffs)
Luka = Cordarrell patterson (this year) but that's luka every year...all fluff no bite when it matters...but he can put up some good counting stats that really mean nothing