Former football coach Brian Flores

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS5f_YH3Y2A


Dude is suing multiple teams claiming they are racist for not giving him a 2nd head coaching job... he was literally just a head coach a couple months ago and is now claiming the hiring process is racist even though he's been hired once and there are still 4 head coach jobs open, 2 of which he was in the running for. He can kiss being Saints or Texans head coach goodbye.

In the video with Mike Greenberg, he comes off as a pathetic weenie cry baby. He is also a narcissist. He says he gifted as a coach, a leader of men and there to build relationships. Seeing as he just destroyed a bunch of relationships by being a cry baby narc, it contradicticts his claim. All they see is a man.that will.lead players to whine and blame others, potentially filing lawsuits to take your money while airing dirty laundry and trying to strong arm you into a job or being attacked as racist, which hurts the brand.


Good luck to former coach Brian Flores, I doubt he is ever a head coach in the NFL again. A lot of teams will blacklist him entirely from being part of their organization after this even as an assistant. Better luck in college, maybe woke Kansas or Missouri university and their progressive fanbase will enjoy his cry baby antics.

[Nanners]

Flores also alleges that Dolphins owner Stephen Ross pressured him to tank (deliberately lose games), offering him $100,000 for each game he lost in order for the Dolphins to get better draft picks for the following season, and to tamper with a quarterback before free agency. When Flores refused to tank, achieving two consecutive winning seasons, and refused to tamper, Ross fired him and lied about why.

What an idiot. He easily could have gotten enough chance in the NFL if he had kept his mouth shut... but there are only 30 NFL owners and when you accuse 2 of them of racism and the one who already gave you a job of trying to tank/tamper, you arent ever going to step foot in the NFL again.

I doubt Flores will even be able to find a college job. Ross is worth ~8b and the Mara family is one of the most connected/influential in the football world, and I think most college programs would rather keep good relations with the NFL owners than hire a mediocre coach who is a narc and/or liar and a narcissist.

[CelticBaller]

The rooney rule is a sham, everybody knew this

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm tired of hearing people complaining about racism and pulling the race card.

[Jasper]

I'm tired of hearing people complaining about racism and pulling the race card.

how many athletes in football percentage wise are black vs white ??

If blacks dominate the sport would you not think they should also lead teams as well as organizations ??

(IMO the NFL is the WWF ..... fixed as all hell)

[Patrick Chewing]

how many athletes in football percentage wise are black vs white ??

If blacks dominate the sport would you not think they should also lead teams as well as organizations ??

(IMO the NFL is the WWF ..... fixed as all hell)


You're only talking about professional Sports. But overall across the entire country, more Whites are involved in organized Sports simply because there are more Whites in this country than any other race. So why should there be more Black coaches or Executives in Professional Sports when the Black population of the country is only at 14%? Any organization, business, club, anything in this country involving a group of people should always be reflective of the current demographics of this country. Because if it was the way these people want it, then Hispanics should have more jobs in the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL over Blacks.

[Wally450]

I'm tired of hearing people complaining about racism and pulling the race card.

He's got good evidence though.

[rawimpact]

There isnt enough whites and asians in the NFL or NBA. Racist indeed... NFL needs affirmative action to make the league more representative of the USA.

[HunterSThompson]

He's got good evidence though.

black men represent 6% of the US population. true equality of outcome would be that percentage of black men coaching/playing professional sports


would you like that?

[FultzNationRISE]

He's got good evidence though.

He has good evidence of being racially discriminated?

When will that evidence be reported? I havent heard or seen any of it yet.

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

how many athletes in football percentage wise are black vs white ??

If blacks dominate the sport would you not think they should also lead teams as well as organizations ??

(IMO the NFL is the WWF ..... fixed as all hell)



330 million - 63% white people / 13% black

207.9 million white people - 103.95 mil white men

42.9 million black people - 21.45 mil black men

So there are 80 million more white guys than the enirety 20 million black guys

The fact that white people vastly out number black people is reason enough, but the fact that 70% or whatever of football players are black means that all those white high school and college players that never had chance to keep playing began learning how to coach at a younger age and getting experience.

Demanding quotas based on race is asinine and insane.

[bladefd]

The bill belichick text looked pretty bad. It is bad when not only the giants but others outside the organization know the Giants already hired their HC before Flores even gave his interview for HC with Giants. Why even schedule Flores when you already have an agreement with Brian Daboll?

The Denver stuff is not a good look either. If Elway already had his mind made up on Fangio, why even interview Flores? Then to top it off, Elway arrived a hour late, badly hungover, and just does a sham interview. This one is unfortunately Flores' word against Elway's so difficult to prove. It wouldn't surprise me though.

Both are obvious. The sham interviews were scheduled just to meet the Rooney rule. Also, let's not act like Flores is a mediocre coach with no idea what he is doing. He is actually a well-respected coach and the players like him. From all reports, he is a good leader and he is a good defensive mind.

However, you can't force teams to hire a black coach if they don't want to. I would just drop the rooney rule so you don't have sham & humiliating interviews like these just to meet an interview requirement.

The dolphins stuff looks bad too. Around the same time the owner asked Flores to lose games on purpose, the owner became a co-owner in some sports betting company. That looks bad. Flores says he has a witness who overheard the conversation, texts, and he may have the receipts of the 100k payoffs. Other coaches from other organizations are also stepping forward, claiming similar things so we will see how that goes.

[Lakers Legend#32]

You're only talking about professional Sports. But overall across the entire country, more Whites are involved in organized Sports simply because there are more Whites in this country than any other race. So why should there be more Black coaches or Executives in Professional Sports when the Black population of the country is only at 14%? Any organization, business, club, anything in this country involving a group of people should always be reflective of the current demographics of this country. Because if it was the way these people want it, then Hispanics should have more jobs in the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL over Blacks.

Whites will be in the minority in 20 years. That's why Poopsie supports white minority rule.

[Patrick Chewing]

Whites will be in the minority in 20 years. That's why Poopsie supports white minority rule.

So you have 20 more years of suffering and crying is what you're saying. I, on the other hand, don't care one way or the other cause I don't look at people based on race, nor do I revolve my entire life and way of thinking around race like assclowns like you do.

[Dbrog]

He's got good evidence though.

Except that he doesn't. He's basically trying to argue correlation = causation. I don't think that's going to go very well for him...

In terms of some of the "fixes" he's proposing, those probably won't either.

1) requiring NFL teams to produce in writing rationale for hiring/firing; this is not going protect anyone. It's very easy to find reasons for these things even if the real reason was racism. They are never going to write "because he was black"

2) side by side objective rubric criteria; this will simply promote the same "old boys club" he seems to hate so much as obviously they will be the ones with objectively more experience. Also what if a club wants to hire somebody not based off what they've done, but what they might bring in terms of energy or culture. How do you make a criteria for that?

3) create and FUND a training program for lower-level black coaches; How would this actually fly if you reversed it to say "white coaches." Could you imagine the outrage? Besides that, if you want to promote diversity, why literally only make the criteria black? It makes Flores himself look like a bigot because he wants black people to have a leg up over someone from latin america or asia for instance....again...not a good look and I doubt that would go well for him

4) create and FUNDING a committee to get black ownership in the league; see #3

5) incentivize teams hiring and retention of black personell with monetary or draft picks; already happening

6) complete transparency for pay; This would work if there were a single owner of NFL teams but there aren't and therefor likely will allocate their pay differently based on the way they see their own budgets.

Point being...he's honestly coming off like a bitter dude who's getting embarrassed by people like BB and now is trying to make something about race and should also be noted is confusing diversity with black rights...which are not synonymous

[Dbrog]

The bill belichick text looked pretty bad. It is bad when not only the giants but others outside the organization know the Giants already hired their HC before Flores even gave his interview for HC with Giants. Why even schedule Flores when you already have an agreement with Brian Daboll?

The Denver stuff is not a good look either. If Elway already had his mind made up on Fangio, why even interview Flores? Then to top it off, Elway arrived a hour late, badly hungover, and just does a sham interview. This one is unfortunately Flores' word against Elway's so difficult to prove. It wouldn't surprise me though.

Both are obvious. The sham interviews were scheduled just to meet the Rooney rule.


For this stuff at least, the evidence coming out is actually quite damning for Flores. The giant's owner actually wanted Flores as his first choice but for once decided not to meddle (he was known for this) and let his GM pick Daboll.

The Denver stuff is even worse for Flores. Evidently they have detailed notes from their 3 and a half hour meeting and itinerary showing actually where they were during the times he was alleging. Even still worse, this was from 2019 where Broncos JUST HAD a black head coach Vance Joseph...and yet they are racist. Not to mention when they hired Vance, they did so OVER Kyle Shannahan who's father has close ties to Denver....but they are racist "old boys club." Seriously Flores is going to get skewered for being an idiot

[bladefd]

For this stuff at least, the evidence coming out is actually quite damning for Flores. The giant's owner actually wanted Flores as his first choice but for once decided not to meddle (he was known for this) and let his GM pick Daboll.

The Denver stuff is even worse for Flores. Evidently they have detailed notes from their 3 and a half hour meeting and itinerary showing actually where they were during the times he was alleging. Even still worse, this was from 2019 where Broncos JUST HAD a black head coach Vance Joseph...and yet they are racist. Not to mention when they hired Vance, they did so OVER Kyle Shannahan who's father has close ties to Denver....but they are racist "old boys club." Seriously Flores is going to get skewered for being an idiot

The Giants issue though is if their GM already has his mind made up on Daboll, why does Flores still have that interview for that same position? What's even the point to bring the guy in? (oh yes, to meet the Rooney rule)

As I said, get rid of the Rooney rule that requires you to interview a minority candidate. You don't want teams to have a bunch of white candidates they are serious about & just tack on a minority interview at the end just for the sake of meeting the Rooney rule requirement. It's pretty humiliating if you ask me. It's not even an interview then. The decision has already been made, and you are there for the sake of being there.

[1987_Lakers]

I won't go as far and say he wasn't hired because he was black, but you have to admit that it's pretty fvcked up when you interview for a job despite already knowing they hired someone else. (Rooney Rule)

And if true, lol @ the owner offering him 100k for each loss in order to tank, if this is proven true (Flores says he has a witness to this), then the Dolphins at the end of the day will be the team that gets fvcked the most.

By the time all this is over I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins owner is forced to sell or severely punished and they do away with the Rooney rule.

[FultzNationRISE]

I won't go as far and say he wasn't hired because he was black, but you have to admit that it's pretty fvcked up when you interview for a job despite already knowing they hired someone else. (Rooney Rule)

And if true, lol @ the owner offering him 100k for each loss in order to tank, if this is proven true (Flores says he has a witness to this), then the Dolphins at the end of the day will be the team that gets fvcked the most.

By the time all this is over I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins owner is forced to sell or severely punished and they do away with the Rooney rule.

Im sure this is FAR from the only case of this happening (and in fact Hue Jackson has said the Browns made him the same offer) and the reality is most teams’ FANS also want to tank in these situations.

Everyone knows losing teams are incentivized by the draft to tank.

If they wanna fix it, they need to do an unweighted lottery system with equal chances for every non playoff team. Maybe a 6 win team sometimes gets a higher pick than a 2 win team, but without tanking there will probably be fewer 2 win teams anyway.

I think itd be silly to punish the Dolphins for doing what every team does, and what everyone knows every team does.

[Nanners]

I won't go as far and say he wasn't hired because he was black, but you have to admit that it's pretty fvcked up when you interview for a job despite already knowing they hired someone else. (Rooney Rule)

And if true, lol @ the owner offering him 100k for each loss in order to tank, if this is proven true (Flores says he has a witness to this), then the Dolphins at the end of the day will be the team that gets fvcked the most.

By the time all this is over I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins owner is forced to sell or severely punished and they do away with the Rooney rule.

Theres no way in hell that the Dolphins owner goes down over this... Stephen Ross is worth 8b and hes not an idiot - if he actually asked Flores to tank (doubtful), and if Flores actually has a witness (doubtful), Ross with either buy out the witness or just use his money to bury both of them in court.

Its very hard to prove in a court of law that a multibillionaire told you to do something (unless you recorded it... and even then it might be iffy)

[1987_Lakers]

Theres no way in hell that the Dolphins owner goes down over this... Stephen Ross is worth 8b and hes not an idiot - if he actually asked Flores to tank (doubtful), and if Flores actually has a witness (doubtful), Ross with either buy out the witness or just use his money to bury both of them in court.

Its very hard to prove in a court of law that a multibillionaire told you to do something (unless you recorded it... and even then it might be iffy)

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02/report-unnamed-witness-heard-stephen-ross-offer-brian-flores-100000-per-loss/

We will see, if that witness goes to court and confirms that Ross did indeed offer 100k per loss, then Ross is ****ed and Goodell will be pressured to do something about it.

And lol at you saying it was "doubtful" that Ross told him to tank. I'm sure this happens all the time, Flores is just the first guy to come out and reveal it.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Whites are typically better at strategic/management roles. By a large margin.

[Dbrog]

The Giants issue though is if their GM already has his mind made up on Daboll, why does Flores still have that interview for that same position? What's even the point to bring the guy in? (oh yes, to meet the Rooney rule)

As I said, get rid of the Rooney rule that requires you to interview a minority candidate. You don't want teams to have a bunch of white candidates they are serious about & just tack on a minority interview at the end just for the sake of meeting the Rooney rule requirement. It's pretty humiliating if you ask me. It's not even an interview then. The decision has already been made, and you are there for the sake of being there.

Ya their GM might be scummy. That doesn't necessarily mean it had anything to do with race though. To your point though, the Rooney rule is awful and should be gone.

[bladefd]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/02/report-unnamed-witness-heard-stephen-ross-offer-brian-flores-100000-per-loss/

We will see, if that witness goes to court and confirms that Ross did indeed offer 100k per loss, then Ross is ****ed and Goodell will be pressured to do something about it.

And lol at you saying it was "doubtful" that Ross told him to tank. I'm sure this happens all the time, Flores is just the first guy to come out and reveal it.

Several coaches have apparently come out with similar allegations towards different organizations so it's very much believable. Nobody should be surprised by it.

[bladefd]

Ya their GM might be scummy. That doesn't necessarily mean it had anything to do with race though. To your point though, the Rooney rule is awful and should be gone.

I don't know if it has to do with race (very difficult to prove in court too without recordings or first-hand texts/emails), but it has a lot to do with putting a checkmark next to "Met the Rooney rule requirement."

[Norcaliblunt]

The NFL is legally defined as “sports entertainment” there is no law against rigging games unless gambling is involved.

[Lakers Legend#32]

So you have 20 more years of suffering and crying is what you're saying. I, on the other hand, don't care one way or the other cause I don't look at people based on race, nor do I revolve my entire life and way of thinking around race like assclowns like you do.

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHA! that means 20 more years of Poopsie whining about white grievance.

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

John Elway and Stephen Ross have both responded saying Brian Flores a liar.

Broncos have proof Flores is full of crap about the meeting if Elway... and if the Dolphins owner offered 100k per loss, it was said verbally in private.



2 of the 3 lawsuits can be tossed right there. If the Giants had all their interviews set up in advance and happened to have a meeting that made them want Dabbol before their meeting with Flores that was already set up, they also did nothing wrong. Definitely can't prove there was anything racist about it.

Hope Brian Flores enjoys coaching on of them smaller historically black colleges. No sane person would want this drama queen's delusions infecting the rest of their employees. They also don't need somebody that will force them.to walk on egg shells at the risk of an emotionally unstable person tarnishing the franchise reputation.

Maybe Brian Flores can make mockumentaries with Kaepernick that nobody will watch.

[bladefd]

I just read that apparently Daboll didn't even have his in-person interview when Belichick texted the wrong Brian congratulating Daboll lol. Giants defense is that belichick is not affiliated with the giants so we should disregard the text from him. That sounds like a cop-out even though it is technically true that belichick doesn't work for the giants. Why would belichick make up the fact that he heard daboll has been hired? What does belichick possibly have to gain from it? Belichick was right on the money too.

If that fact is true then I don't see any point in scheduling Flores. It's a bad look, but I don't know if the courts would do anything about it. Belichick might be brought in as a witness to explain how he knew, and scheduling books would need to be opened up.

I don't expect anything from the Denver situation to stand since that's he said/she said now. Flores doesn't have much to stand on.

The dolphins case still smells to me. The dolphins owner became co-owner of the sports gambling company at the same time - it would be interesting to see if he was betting on dolphins games. There is also a witness to the verbal conversation. Only thing we don't know is if there are actual receipts of the 100k transactions. Those 2 things together would be a huge blow to the dolphins. Potentially losing draft picks and big fine to the owner.

[Jasper]

Whites are typically better at strategic/management roles. By a large margin.

:milton

bears could use Flores

wwf-nfl rules

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

Broncos say Flores a liar and Browns owner say Hue Jackson a liar. NFL also think they full of it.


So it's currently Brian Flores and Hue Jackson vs Dolphins, Giants, Broncos, Browns, John Elway and NFL/Roger Goodell


Good luck with that...