ESPN's 25 greatest MLB players of all time

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33158613/top-100-mlb-players-all-nos-25-1

Top 10

10. Musial
9. Walter Johnson
8. Bonds
7. Mantle
6. Gehrig
5. Ted Williams
4. Cobb
3. Aaron
2. Mays
1. Ruth

[HunterSThompson]

why are roid users on this list. and if they are why isn't bonds top 2 at the very least. and where's Arod if bonds and clemens are on there. he's a top 5-6 player ever. what a joke and this is the first time I've seen seen griffey make it anywhere near that high so you think I would be happy.. but no.. shit list. total shit

[HunterSThompson]

if roids are included the best baseball players ever are

#1 Babe Ruth
#2 Barry Bonds
#3 Willie Mays
#4 Hank Aaron
#5 Alex Rodriguez
#6 Ted Williams
#7 Mickey Mantle
#8 Ken Griffey Jr
#9 Mike Trout
#10 Shohei Ohtani (yes ...already)




sorry I don't believe in anyone from Ruth's era or before other than the babe himself

and wtf are pitchers doing on the list lmao. they played one side of the field. play both of gtfo

[JohnnySic]

1. Ruth
2. Bonds
3. Mays
4. Williams
5. Gehrig
6. Mantle
7. Cobb
8. Aaron
9. Musial
10. Griffey

[HunterSThompson]

1. Ruth
2. Bonds
3. Mays
4. Williams
5. Gehrig
6. Mantle
7. Cobb
8. Aaron
9. Musial
10. Griffey

boring.. no arod either? lmao


what's with the big papi level of hypocrisy ITT


these are Arods season highs in some major categories

https://i.ibb.co/HBMFPZj/Screenshot-20220203-124718-Gallery.jpg

add that to this

https://i.ibb.co/1QnvrY5/Screenshot-20220203-124910-Chrome.jpg


and hes like top 10 all time in WAR lol

I never liked the guy either like Barry bonds but why is only one of.them getting respect

[JohnnySic]

Arod came up small in the postseason. The great ones are great when it matters.

[SouBeachTalents]

I know baseball's postseason is an extremely limited sample size, sometimes you play literally 3-5 games after 162 game season. But A-Rod legitimately was the least clutch historically great athlete I've ever seen. He had one great playoff run in '09 on a absolutely loaded Yankees team, but besides that his performance consistently declined in the playoffs. The only other athlete who compares is Peyton Manning.

[HunterSThompson]

Arod came up small in the postseason. The great ones are great when it matters.

I dunno he had some bad series but overall in his career he was ok with a .260 batting average and a .365 on base percentage with 13 homeruns in 76 games which is like 30 over 162 games... with 41 rbis and 43 runs which is like 90 over 162 games

and its mainly divisional series where he struggled. if you go by world series and American league championship series he was actually amazing in 7 series including the world series batting basically .300 with .400+ OBP with 27 runs and 24 rbis in 35 games. and near .600 slugging and 1000 OPS and 8 homeruns in 35 games which is like 37 over 162




and even without all that and his world series ring I doubt it would matter cause bonds and griffey never really did much in the post season either. they played good in the few times they were there but neither won anything. post seasons usually aren't about the best overall players in baseball. Mike trouts been the best by far over the past decade and he never makes the playoffs. that kind of thing hasn't been tied to the best players since the days of mickey mantle

[HunterSThompson]

I know baseball's postseason is an extremely limited sample size, sometimes you play literally 3-5 games after 162 game season. But A-Rod legitimately was the least clutch historically great athlete I've ever seen. He had one great playoff run in '09 on a absolutely loaded Yankees team, but besides that his performance consistently declined in the playoffs. The only other athlete who compares is Peyton Manning.

spoke too soon. shoulda waited for someone with some actual research

[HunterSThompson]

its funny cause the all time greatest clutch hitter Derek Jeter was like the complete opposite of arod. he was historically great in divisional games and then struggled in 10 league championship series batting just .257 with a .340 obp and a .751 ops


he made up for it in the world series though. but it shows not everyone is perfect

[SouBeachTalents]

spoke too soon. shoulda waited for someone with some actual research
From '04 to the end of his career, he wasn't just average or even subpar, with the exception of '09 he was absolutely dreadful in the postseason. The numbers and results are indefensibly bad. One great playoff run doesn't supersede a decades worth of games.

[HunterSThompson]

From '04 to the end of his career, he wasn't just average or even subpar, with the exception of '09 he was absolutely dreadful in the postseason. The numbers and results are indefensibly bad. One great playoff run doesn't supersede a decades worth of games.

baseball postseasons aren't really a fair judgement of ability.. so much of baseball is just based on whether a guys hot or cold at the moment. like you need at least 2 or 3 months to know if a guys good or not. when there's short divisional series of like 2 to 3 games and maybe 9 to 12 at bats over a week's span literally anyone can look like shit.

its not a large enough sample size to get a grasp on someone. which is why Arods championship series with full 7 games look way better. and why over his career overall he wasn't bad.

literally every time I see a guy win a championship league series mvp or a world series mvp it's some random guy. it's almost never the teams real mvp. that alone should tell you something


and most of what goes into winning titles is 1. regular season wins.. since the playoffs only have half as many teams as basketball or hockey. you need those wins more than anything. there's no squeaking into the playoffs most years.

then 2. in the playoffs it's mostly just luck.. then 3. umpires and 4. whos hot at the moment that decides the championship. it's silly to look at baseball like we do basketball

arod is a top 10 player ever period

like I said if you're gonna disqualify him then bonds ain't top 10 either

[SouBeachTalents]

baseball postseasons aren't really a fair judgement of ability.. so much of baseball is just based on whether a guys hot or cold at the moment. like you need at least 2 or 3 months to know if a guys good or not. when there's short divisional series of like 2 to 3 games and maybe 9 to 12 at bats over a week's span literally anyone can look like shit.

its not a large enough sample size to get a grasp on someone. which is why Arods championship series with full 7 games look way better. and why over his career overall he wasn't bad.

literally every time I see a guy win a championship league series mvp or a world series mvp it's some random guy. it's almost never the teams real mvp. that alone should tell you something


and most of what goes into winning titles is 1. regular season wins.. since the playoffs only have half as many teams as basketball or hockey. you need those wins more than anything. there's no squeaking into the playoffs most years.

then 2. in the playoffs it's mostly just luck.. then 3. umpires and 4. whos hot at the moment that decides the championship. it's silly to look at baseball like we do basketball

arod is a top 10 player ever period

like I said if you're gonna disqualify him then bonds ain't top 10 either
Bro, I agree with you in spirit, and I fully acknowledge it's a small sample size every season, but seriously, look at A-Rod's playoff numbers.

2005: .133 average, 0 RBI's, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2006: .071 average, 0 RBI's, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2007: .267 average, 1 RBI, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2010: .219 average, 3 RBI's in 9 games
2011: .111 average, 3 RBI's, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2012: .120 average, 0 RBI's in 7 games, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's

And let's not forget the '04 ALCS where he ended the series going 2/17 over the final 4 losses.

That is a consistent track record of abominably bad play. It's honestly inconceivable a guy as talented as him could be THAT dreadful on a consistent basis. Small sample size or not, you can't say that doesn't play any factor in his evaluation.

[HunterSThompson]

Bro, I agree with you in spirit, and I fully acknowledge it's a small sample size every season, but seriously, look at A-Rod's playoff numbers.

2005: .133 average, 0 RBI's, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2006: .071 average, 0 RBI's, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2007: .267 average, 1 RBI, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2010: .219 average, 3 RBI's in 9 games
2011: .111 average, 3 RBI's, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's
2012: .120 average, 0 RBI's in 7 games, more strikeouts than hits & RBI's

And let's not forget the '04 ALCS where he ended the series going 2/17 over the final 4 losses.

That is a consistent track record of abominably bad play. It's honestly inconceivable a guy as talented as him could be THAT dreadful on a consistent basis. Small sample size or not, you can't say that doesn't play any factor in his evaluation.

that's not every season though. and how much of what went into arods struggles was the entire city if New York treating him like an ugly stepchild cause he was way better than their home town hero derek jeter. it was legit a curry/Durant type feeling.. arod was never welcom in new york or by the media. so much more pressure was on him to produce.


we never hear about jeters championship series struggles. nobody ever brings up barry bonds batting like .240 in the post season for his career.

its just spite and hypocrisy

[HunterSThompson]

arod and griffey both have 1 great postseason.

griffeys arguably the most loved player ever and arods the most hated. this has way more to do with attitude and steroids and post season accomplishments

[FKAri]

if roids are included the best baseball players ever are

#1 Babe Ruth
#2 Barry Bonds
#3 Willie Mays
#4 Hank Aaron
#5 Alex Rodriguez
#6 Ted Williams
#7 Mickey Mantle
#8 Ken Griffey Jr
#9 Mike Trout
#10 Shohei Ohtani (yes ...already)




sorry I don't believe in anyone from Ruth's era or before other than the babe himself

and wtf are pitchers doing on the list lmao. they played one side of the field. play both of gtfo

So you have Ohtani on your list yet you also argued he didn't deserve MVP this season? :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Depending on criteria I think Ruth, Mays, and Bonds are interchangeable at the top 3

[HunterSThompson]

So you have Ohtani on your list yet you also argued he didn't deserve MVP this season? :oldlol:

to be honest when I made that post on July 19th 2021 (around 90 games into the season) I had yet to watch ohtani play and was mostly just trolling as a part time blue jays fan

tracking ohtanis progress actually got me back into baseball. I also had no idea the blue jays had so many great players. they were loaded. I hadn't watched much of them either. then I found out it wasn't guerrero carrying them and they actually had like 3 mvp candidates.

and the angels basically didn't have trout all year so they were sabotaged. after I saw his power and speed throwing the ball and legging out triples all the time I was blown away. he's like something built in a lab. he defies all logic. in a vacuum he might be the best prototypical baseball player ever and only ruth came close to doing anything like him. guerreros nice but he's not ohtani.. and to be truthful I was way more into tatis Jr since like 2019 than either other guy but I got pissed at the no fans shit and quit watching again for a while

[John8204]

Well I would point out that I guess rings don't count because the winningest player of all-time and top five in his position with three MVP's didn't crack the top ten.

In my opinion....

1. Babe Ruth
2. Cy Young
3. Walter Johnson
4. Willie Mays
5. Ted Williams
6. Hank Aaron
7. Ty Cobb
8. Mickey Mantle
9. Jackie Robinson
10. Stan Musial
11. Joe Dimaggio
12. Pete Rose
13. Roger Clemens
14. Barry Bonds
15. Ichiro Suzuki
16. Yogi Berra
17. Ricky Henderson
18. Lou Gehrig
19. Nolan Ryan
20. Alex Rodriguez
21. Frank Robinson
22. Cal Ripken Jr
23. Tris Speaker
24. Cap Anson
25. Mariano Rivera

[John8204]

why are roid users on this list. and if they are why isn't bonds top 2 at the very least. and where's Arod if bonds and clemens are on there. he's a top 5-6 player ever. what a joke and this is the first time I've seen seen griffey make it anywhere near that high so you think I would be happy.. but no.. shit list. total shit

It's very weird to me that Aaron and Rose both used drugs but because they are Amphetamines they count less than Testosterone. You can't ignore 50 years of history but you can penalize them because you do have other options.

[HunterSThompson]

Well I would point out that I guess rings don't count because the winningest player of all-time and top five in his position with three MVP's didn't crack the top ten.

In my opinion....

1. Babe Ruth
2. Cy Young
3. Walter Johnson
4. Willie Mays
5. Ted Williams
6. Hank Aaron
7. Ty Cobb
8. Mickey Mantle
9. Jackie Robinson
10. Stan Musial
11. Joe Dimaggio
12. Pete Rose
13. Roger Clemens
14. Barry Bonds
15. Ichiro Suzuki
16. Yogi Berra
17. Ricky Henderson
18. Lou Gehrig
19. Nolan Ryan
20. Alex Rodriguez
21. Frank Robinson
22. Cal Ripken Jr
23. Tris Speaker
24. Cap Anson
25. Mariano Rivera

if there was an all time draft maybe 9 or 10 of those guys you listed would be taken top 25. what a horrible list. I find most people's all time baseball rankings to be quite outdated. it's like a guy today saying the top 10 in basketball is

#1 Russell
#2 wilt
#3 Oscar
#4 West
#5 Baylor
#6 Mikan
#7 Pettit
#8 Cousy
#9 Jones
#10 Heinsohn


like yeah we know babe ruth was larger than life but these other dudes weren't jacking 50 or 60 homeruns too. most just had high averages or were the first to do something or break the color barrier. like wtf are you really picking Jacky Robinson over barry bonds or ken griffey jr in a f*cking draft

[John8204]

Are we talking about drafts or accomplishments?

Frankly your list is terrible


#1 Babe Ruth
#2 Barry Bonds
#3 Willie Mays
#4 Hank Aaron
#5 Alex Rodriguez
#6 Ted Williams
#7 Mickey Mantle
#8 Ken Griffey Jr
#9 Mike Trout
#10 Shohei Ohtani

You do know baseball is more than hitting home runs right? I put together an actual team unlike you. With lead off hitter, and fielders, and pitchers

C - Yogi Berra
1st - Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson
2nd - Jackie Robinson
SS - Cal Ripken Jr.
3rd - Pete Rose, Alex Rodriguez
RF- Frank Robinson
CF - Willie Mays, Tris Speaker
LF - Stan Musial

P - Clemens, Johnson, Young, Ryan, Rivera

1 - Ricky Henderson
2 - Ichiro Suzuki
3 - Ted Williams
4 - Babe Ruth
5 - Barry Bonds
6 - Hank Aaron
7 - Mickey Mantle
8 - Joe Dimaggio
9 - Ty Cobb

[HunterSThompson]

Are we talking about drafts or accomplishments?

Frankly your list is terrible


You do know baseball is more than hitting home runs right? I put together an actual team unlike you. With lead off hitter, and fielders, and pitchers

C - Yogi Berra
1st - Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson
2nd - Jackie Robinson
SS - Cal Ripken Jr.
3rd - Pete Rose, Alex Rodriguez
RF- Frank Robinson
CF - Willie Mays, Tris Speaker
LF - Stan Musial

P - Clemens, Johnson, Young, Ryan, Rivera

1 - Ricky Henderson
2 - Ichiro Suzuki
3 - Ted Williams
4 - Babe Ruth
5 - Barry Bonds
6 - Hank Aaron
7 - Mickey Mantle
8 - Joe Dimaggio
9 - Ty Cobb

you think my list was just about hitting homeruns? looooooool


#1 Babe Ruth (best pitcher and hitter from his time)
#2 Barry Bonds(one of the best left fielders ever. tons of speed. 5 tool player)
#3 Willie Mays (probly the greatest all around player ever)
#4 Hank Aaron (an arguable goat player)
#5 Alex Rodriguez (5 tool player and a short stop/3rd baseman)
#6 Ted Williams (perhaps the greatest contact hitter ever and played left field)
#7 Mickey Mantle (best switch hitter ever and played CF)
#8 Ken Griffey Jr (2nd best all around player ever after willie)
#9 Mike Trout (5 tool player. another center fielder)
#10 Shohei Ohtani (babe ruth with speed and a rocket for an arm. maybe the most valuable offense+defense player ever)


you act like my list is guys like Mark mcgwire type first basemen lmao


my team would rape yours even if they played out of position lmao

[John8204]

you think my list was just about hitting homeruns? looooooool


#1 Babe Ruth (best pitcher and hitter from his time)
#2 Barry Bonds(one of the best left fielders ever. tons of speed. 5 tool player)
#3 Willie Mays (probly the greatest all around player ever)
#4 Hank Aaron (an arguable goat player)
#5 Alex Rodriguez (5 tool player and a short stop/3rd baseman)
#6 Ted Williams (perhaps the greatest contact hitter ever and played left field)
#7 Mickey Mantle (best switch hitter ever and played CF)
#8 Ken Griffey Jr (2nd best all around player ever after willie)
#9 Mike Trout (5 tool player. another center fielder)
#10 Shohei Ohtani (babe ruth with speed and a rocket for an arm. maybe the most valuable offense+defense player ever)


you act like my list is guys like Mark mcgwire type first basemen lmao


my team would rape yours even if they played out of position lmao

Walter Johnson was a much better pitcher of his time than Ruth. Ruth was a solid and likely future hall of fame pitcher but Johnson is a 400 game winner who lead the majors in ERA 6 times in 12 years (during Ruth's era).

You put 6 of the top 7 HR hitters of all time on a top ten list :facepalm

Also while you might think that your team would "rape" mine...half the guys you listed never even won a World Series

also BTW all-time if you are doing top ten from the 50's-60's..awful list 4 Celtics really c'mon now and no Dolph Schayes

#1 Wilt (2)
#2 Russell (6)
#3 Mikan (8)
#4 Oscar (11)
#5 West (13)
#6 Pettit (19)
#7 Baylor (27)
#8 Cousy (36)
#9 Schayes (40)
#10 Arizin (65)

[HunterSThompson]

Walter Johnson was a much better pitcher of his time than Ruth. Ruth was a solid and likely future hall of fame pitcher but Johnson is a 400 game winner who lead the majors in ERA 6 times in 12 years (during Ruth's era).

You put 6 of the top 7 HR hitters of all time on a top ten list :facepalm

Also while you might think that your team would "rape" mine...half the guys you listed never even won a World Series

also BTW all-time if you are doing top ten from the 50's-60's..awful list 4 Celtics really c'mon now and no Dolph Schayes

#1 Wilt (2)
#2 Russell (6)
#3 Mikan (8)
#4 Oscar (11)
#5 West (13)
#6 Pettit (19)
#7 Baylor (27)
#8 Cousy (36)
#9 Schayes (40)
#10 Arizin (65)

1916 Ruth was a better pitcher than Walter Johnson. hence the league leading era and world series title with the red Sox.

I didn't say ruth was the best pitcher for a career. I said in his time he was the best at one point. that's why he's the goat and ohtanis the best thing we've seen since him in baseball.

and I don't put strictly pitchers in my top 10 cause they just played one side of the field and only once every 3 or 4 games. it's a very important position but you gotta do more to be an all time great PLAYER

and 6 of the top 7 homerun hitters ever are 6 of the best all around players ever dumbass

and LOL at attributing a world series to one single player. the last guy that could even make that much of a difference is babe ruth. nobody since then could carry a team on their back. it's a total team sport idiot

[John8204]

and LOL at attributing a world series to one single player. the last guy that could even make that much of a difference is babe ruth. nobody since then could carry a team on their back. it's a total team sport idiot

Huh funny because I was able to make a top 25 with the less amount of 0 WS champions as your top ten.

1. Babe Ruth - 7
2. Cy Young - 3 (1 WS)
3. Walter Johnson - 1
4. Willie Mays - 1
5. Ted Williams - 0
6. Hank Aaron - 1
7. Ty Cobb - 0
8. Mickey Mantle - 7
9. Jackie Robinson - 1
10. Stan Musial - 3
11. Joe Dimaggio - 9
12. Pete Rose - 3
13. Roger Clemens - 2
14. Barry Bonds - 0
15. Ichiro Suzuki - 0
16. Yogi Berra - 13
17. Ricky Henderson - 2
18. Lou Gehrig - 6
19. Nolan Ryan - 1
20. Alex Rodriguez - 1
21. Frank Robinson - 2
22. Cal Ripken Jr - 1
23. Tris Speaker - 3
24. Cap Anson - 3 (0 - WS)
25. Mariano Rivera - 5

[HunterSThompson]

Huh funny because I was able to make a top 25 with the less amount of 0 WS champions as your top ten.

1. Babe Ruth - 7
2. Cy Young - 3 (1 WS)
3. Walter Johnson - 1
4. Willie Mays - 1
5. Ted Williams - 0
6. Hank Aaron - 1
7. Ty Cobb - 0
8. Mickey Mantle - 7
9. Jackie Robinson - 1
10. Stan Musial - 3
11. Joe Dimaggio - 9
12. Pete Rose - 3
13. Roger Clemens - 2
14. Barry Bonds - 0
15. Ichiro Suzuki - 0
16. Yogi Berra - 13
17. Ricky Henderson - 2
18. Lou Gehrig - 6
19. Nolan Ryan - 1
20. Alex Rodriguez - 1
21. Frank Robinson - 2
22. Cal Ripken Jr - 1
23. Tris Speaker - 3
24. Cap Anson - 3 (0 - WS)
25. Mariano Rivera - 5



anyone that attributes wins to a single player not named babe ruth is a moron. you have to lead entire teams in homeruns and pitch in order to have that kind of value.

the mariners had one of the greatest lineups ever most of the 90s and the team was straight ass.. even with one of the goat starting pitchers. all cause of a poor bullpen. its a total team effort. one guy is insignificant. Mike Trout will never win anything and he's probly the best player since griffey or bonds (who also never won shit)

its not a sign of greatness. you're a fool

[John8204]

anyone that attributes wins to a single player not named babe ruth is a moron. you have to lead entire teams in homeruns and pitch in order to have that kind of value.

the mariners had one of the greatest lineups ever most of the 90s and the team was straight ass.. even with one of the goat starting pitchers. all cause of a poor bullpen. its a total team effort. one guy is insignificant. Mike Trout will never win anything and he's probly the best player since griffey or bonds (who also never won shit)

its not a sign of greatness. you're a fool

Well here's why you are a fool 33% of that line up won a WS...not Griffey but if you are an all-time great player you have 20 seasons to win at least one. If you didn't win a ring during your career than you made a mistake that allowed that to happen.

Also Wins aren't a stat...never heard of WAR or y'know wins cause Cy Young who you didn't put on your top ten has 511 of them...Walter Johnson has over 400.

[HunterSThompson]

Well here's why you are a fool 33% of that line up won a WS...not Griffey but if you are an all-time great player you have 20 seasons to win at least one. If you didn't win a ring during your career than you made a mistake that allowed that to happen.

Also Wins aren't a stat...never heard of WAR or y'know wins cause Cy Young who you didn't put on your top ten has 511 of them...Walter Johnson has over 400.

why do you keep bringing up the world series. don't talk baseball please


and any so called baseball fan would know the reason griffey never ring chased with the Yankees like everyone else. and he could have quite easily. but he grew up a reds fan cause his dad played there and they hated the Yankees. griffey cared more about trying to build a franchise from the bottom up in Seattle then went to the team his dad played for who was absolute trash in the 2000s cause it was home for him. he was loyal unlike other guys. that's why he never won a ring you f*cking joke for a fan

[John8204]

why do you keep bringing up the world series. don't talk baseball please

and any so called baseball fan would know the reason griffey never ring chased with the Yankees like everyone else. and he could have quite easily. but he grew up a reds fan cause his dad played there and they hated the Yankees. griffey cared more about trying to build a franchise from the bottom up in Seattle then went to the team his dad played for who was absolute trash in the 2000s cause it was home for him. he was loyal unlike other guys. that's why he never won a ring you f*cking joke for a fan

1999 - 96-67
2000 - 85-77
2001 - 66-96
2002 - 78-84
2003 - 69-83
2004 - 76-86
2005 - 73 -89
2006 - 80-82
2007 - 72-90
2008 - 74-88
2009 - 78-84
2010 - 91-71

You sound like such a fan...Griffey joined a 90 win team and for the 8 years he was on the team they were only over .500 once. He leaves and the next season they have 90 wins again. They were better off without him than with him.

4 out of your top 10 you watched growing up...which isn't just foolish it's actually pathetic.

[TheCorporation]

Well I would point out that I guess rings don't count because the winningest player of all-time and top five in his position with three MVP's didn't crack the top ten.

In my opinion....

1. Babe Ruth
2. Cy Young
3. Walter Johnson
4. Willie Mays
5. Ted Williams
6. Hank Aaron
7. Ty Cobb
8. Mickey Mantle
9. Jackie Robinson
10. Stan Musial
11. Joe Dimaggio
12. Pete Rose
13. Roger Clemens
14. Barry Bonds
15. Ichiro Suzuki
16. Yogi Berra
17. Ricky Henderson
18. Lou Gehrig
19. Nolan Ryan
20. Alex Rodriguez
21. Frank Robinson
22. Cal Ripken Jr
23. Tris Speaker
24. Cap Anson
25. Mariano Rivera

No Griffey Jr, no care.

[HunterSThompson]

1999 - 96-67
2000 - 85-77
2001 - 66-96
2002 - 78-84
2003 - 69-83
2004 - 76-86
2005 - 73 -89
2006 - 80-82
2007 - 72-90
2008 - 74-88
2009 - 78-84
2010 - 91-71

You sound like such a fan...Griffey joined a 90 win team and for the 8 years he was on the team they were only over .500 once. He leaves and the next season they have 90 wins again. They were better off without him than with him.

4 out of your top 10 you watched growing up...which isn't just foolish it's actually pathetic.

no wonder they ran you outa anger general lmao. they actually know baseball somewhat over there.. and you saying he "joined or ran to a winner" is pure evidence that you never watched baseball. the mariners forced griffey out to keep arod cause they couldn't afford both. he wanted to stay with the mariners. and to say his play somehow made the reds worse is an even worse take. the man got hurt almost every year in Cincinnati. you don't blame a guy that isn't even playing for a teams failures. and to expect anything out of the reds period is another baseball noob mistake. that team made the playoffs once from 1991 to 2009. it's basically like a guy asking to be traded to the Knicks in basketball and knowing his career would be spent in purgatory just to play with his favorite team growing up

its almost like you have no baseball knowledge whatsoever and copy/pasted some list you found online.

[John8204]

Oh that is such weak sauce...from the guy who says Pitchers aren't important because they only throw once every fourth game. Griffey took the max deal and the Reds died because of it. As a Yankess fan I'm well aware of the terrible contracts small market teams give to players and then have to bail out on them in two or three seasons. Greg Vaughn was a better Red than Ken Griffey Jr.

[HunterSThompson]

Oh that is such weak sauce...from the guy who says Pitchers aren't important because they only throw once every fourth game. Griffey took the max deal and the Reds died because of it. As a Yankess fan I'm well aware of the terrible contracts small market teams give to players and then have to bail out on them in two or three seasons. Greg Vaughn was a better Red than Ken Griffey Jr.

when did I say pitchers aren't important. they just can't be compared to a 2 way player. a pitcher only plays one side of the field every 4 games. they will contribute to around 20 wins at most. an all time great hitter can get 30 wins by himself. and a position player will steal you 10 more wins a year with a game saving catch or put out. so we're talking a possible 50 win contribution with a guy like ohtani. a possible 40 win contribution with a guy like griffey. and a pitcher giving you maybe 20-25?


its just not even remotely comparable

and lol@ blaming a guy for accepting money. that's on the reds if they're like the mariners and only wanna pay one guy. how many max players did the Yankees have over the past 25 years

why do you continue making yourself look stupid

[John8204]

LOL you really shouldn't call people stupid especially when you just got banned.

[John_Connor]

LOL you really shouldn't call people stupid especially when you just got banned.

wasn't your account on here a month ago "johnny8204" or something

what happened to that name


and leave hunter alone. hes a legend around here. you're a nobody

[John8204]

wasn't your account on here a month ago "johnny8204" or something

what happened to that name


and leave hunter alone. hes a legend around here. you're a nobody

I'm a nobody that's still here and I don't call people stupid and make personal attacks when I make an argument.

This is now the fourth time I've been accused of being a fake account complain to the mods they can check my IP address

[John_Connor]

I'm a nobody that's still here and I don't call people stupid and make personal attacks when I make an argument.

This is now the fourth time I've been accused of being a fake account complain to the mods they can check my IP address

hunters been banned 200 times. the mods keep letting him come back because he provides a ton of traffic. you don't

so tread lightly

[John8204]

hunters been banned 200 times. the mods keep letting him come back because he provides a ton of traffic. you don't

so tread lightly

I don't have to "tread lightly" because I'm just here for conversation...I don't insult and look down on members of the forum. And actually I think I can drive conversation very well thank you very much.

[John_Connor]

I don't have to "tread lightly" because I'm a big f*g named vegasfraud from anger general and FPL told me to get lost cause i kept posting about my meth addiction...I also got banned from gamefaqs for posting about lebron too much. And actually I think I can drive myself to alcoholic suicide if another one of my plain basic names with no avatar gets banned cause i'm a dull boring poster that just copy and pastes other peoples all time lists to try and seem smart when i never watched baseball before in my life.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/58d0e511e1374fff62a02aa27848953e/19f83ecebe7f09a6-5f/s400x600/e29ad867e5022090719ec547a68a8f761eb4bb3a.gifv

[John8204]

I don't know if that was even in English

[John_Connor]

I don't know if that was even in English

just checked. yes its english. only a few minor errors in punctuation

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9hnhg8p/Screen-Shot-2022-02-06-at-1-02-49-AM.png

[highwhey]

just checked. yes its english. only a few minor errors in punctuation

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9hnhg8p/Screen-Shot-2022-02-06-at-1-02-49-AM.png

first 5 therapy sessions on me

[John_Connor]

first 5 therapy sessions on me

"therapy sessions" ...."on you"


you'd love that wouldn't you

https://i.ibb.co/N2CMntD/5KXQ.gif

[72-10]

Which joker places Griffey and Bonds in the top 10. They only hit for power and they didn't even play the infield lol.

[GimmeThat]

based on the recent Warrior saga, you'd think that the most successful roid user would bunt then fly to first base challenging the .500 BA average mark.

and imagine pitchers winning the defensive player of the year award


Edit: it's also safe to say that at this point I may be confusing the mixture of heroin with steroid. domestic abuse was in fact more prevalent prior to the trans era due to the bulls/bear cycle of the market