Game 7 of the 2018 ECF

[Hey Yo]

Before that game.... in game 7's, LeBron avg. 35ppg, 9 boards, while shooting 48%

Highest ppg avg. of all time.

[ImKobe]

Before that game.... in game 7's, LeBron avg. 35ppg, 9 boards, while shooting 48%

Highest ppg avg. of all time.

That's cute.

KD averages 36.2 ppg on 53/49/85 splits in Game 7s.

[Hey Yo]

That's cute.

KD averages 36.2 ppg on 53/49/85 splits in Game 7s.

How many game 7s?

[1987_Lakers]

That was a fun playoffs, after every game it seemed like LeBron put up historic numbers and every Cavs game was coming down to the wire, he carried that team to the Finals. His game 2 performance vs the Raptors is probably my favorite Bron performance ever, he was just toying with them.

[TheCorporation]

That's cute.

KD averages 36.2 ppg on 53/49/85 splits in Game 7s.

Relax Manny

[Hey Yo]

That game 7.... James put up 35-15-9 while shooting 50% and 37% from 3....

Played all 48mins... in his 8th consecutive ECF.

[warriorfan]

Too bad he couldn’t make it to 7 vs Jason Terry

[ImKobe]

That was a fun playoffs, after every game it seemed like LeBron put up historic numbers and every Cavs game was coming down to the wire, he carried that team to the Finals. His game 2 performance vs the Raptors is probably my favorite Bron performance ever, he was just toying with them.

I remember him going to the locker room in Game 7 against Indiana with George Hill & K.Love building the lead up to 8 before his return, he was 3rd in 4th quarter scoring on his team in a do-or-die game but hey, he had 0 help. Also funny you only mention him in the Raptors series when they completely dismantled the Raptors' defense by playing Love at the 5 which opened up everything for Lebron. The East was incredibly weak and he needed a young Celtics team (who's been .500 the past 2 years with an improved Brown & Tatum) to go 7/35 from 3 to eek out a win. Bravo.

[1987_Lakers]

I remember him going to the locker room in Game 7 against Indiana with George Hill & K.Love building the lead up to 8 before his return, he was 3rd in 4th quarter scoring on his team in a do-or-die game but hey, he had 0 help.

You're talking about the same game LeBron had 45 points in. Good riddance.

Kevin Love was ass in that postseason, only played well vs Toronto. Cavs would have been a 20 win team without LeBron that year, the fact that they made the Finals is a miracle.

[SouBeachTalents]

I remember him going to the locker room in Game 7 against Indiana with George Hill & K.Love building the lead up to 8 before his return, he was 3rd in 4th quarter scoring on his team in a do-or-die game but hey, he had 0 help. Also funny you only mention him in the Raptors series when they completely dismantled the Raptors' defense by playing Love at the 5 which opened up everything for Lebron. The East was incredibly weak and he needed a young Celtics team (who's been .500 the past 2 years with an improved Brown & Tatum) to go 7/35 from 3 to eek out a win. Bravo.
We talking about the same Game 7 LeBron put up 45/8/7 on 71%TS :lol And wow, he scored a whopping 1 & 2 points less than those guys in the 4th quarter after outscoring them by 30 for the game, he really got carried by his teammates in that one.

[Nilocon165]

I remember him going to the locker room in Game 7 against Indiana with George Hill & K.Love building the lead up to 8 before his return, he was 3rd in 4th quarter scoring on his team in a do-or-die game but hey, he had 0 help. Also funny you only mention him in the Raptors series when they completely dismantled the Raptors' defense by playing Love at the 5 which opened up everything for Lebron. The East was incredibly weak and he needed a young Celtics team (who's been .500 the past 2 years with an improved Brown & Tatum) to go 7/35 from 3 to eek out a win. Bravo.
Don’t you think it’s time for some introspection when the guy reminisces on a cool Lebron moment and you type up this big autistic response to it? Trolling or not?

[Spurs m8]

Ah yes, the weak Eastern conference finals.

The series before he got SWEPT and handed his direct opponent FMVP for the 4th time.

Awesome!!!

LEGOAT :bowdown:

[RRR3]

That's cute.

KD averages 36.2 ppg on 53/49/85 splits in Game 7s.
What did Kobe average?

[ImKobe]

You're talking about the same game LeBron had 45 points in. Good riddance.

Kevin Love was ass in that postseason, only played well vs Toronto. Cavs would have been a 20 win team without LeBron that year, the fact that they made the Finals is a miracle.

Only played well vs Toronto but averaged 19/11 in the Finals...

Cavs had a deep roster and he did get hurt in the Playoffs, so many guys split minutes that the averages are skewed but the Cavs were built really well around Lebron's strengths to allow him to get open lanes to the basket. That roster easily went 10 deep in the rotation in the POs. Jordan Clarkson has been a 6MOY after leaving the Cavs and he was like the 10th guy in the rotation. Rodney Hood had some big games for Portland in the '19 WCF run and he was a bench guy. Jeff Green & George Hill have played big minutes on some good PO teams after that season as well.

Bran had some nice stats but let's not act like he had 0 help. They maximized Bran Ball but he needed the right pieces to be able to do that.


Don’t you think it’s time for some introspection when the guy reminisces on a cool Lebron moment and you type up this big autistic response to it? Trolling or not?

That asshole is a troll and derails any thread he can, I don't give a **** about him creaming over his favorite player while he disguises himself as a fake Laker fan.

[RRR3]

Jordan Clarkson. Jeff Green. Rodney Hood.



:yaohappy:




I left out George Hill because he’s actually a good piece.

[TheGoatest]

I remember this series. It started with one of them Morris twins talking about how he's a LeBron stopper after the Celtics took the lead in the series. It didn't end well for him though. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

What did Kobe average?

https://c.tenor.com/A0REOBRcXzcAAAAM/black-boy-reaction.gif

[1987_Lakers]

That asshole is a troll and derails any thread he can, I don't give a **** about him creaming over his favorite player while he disguises himself as a fake Laker fan.

Coming from a guy who a couple of days ago said the Cavs & Lakers had equal supporting casts in 2008-2010. Pathetic.

[ImKobe]

Jordan Clarkson. Jeff Green. Rodney Hood.



:yaohappy:




I left out George Hill because he’s actually a good piece.

Jeff Green has been a starter on good Playoff teams since leaving the Cavs, what's so funny about that? Didn't he come back while injured in the Bucks series last year to put up 27 in a do-or-die game that they needed to win to at least get to a Game 7? He's currently a starter in Denver playing 25 mpg and that's almost 4 years removed from the Cavs run and he's in his mid-30s lmao. JC is legit man, he's been a great player in his role in Utah yet the Cavs were so bad that they couldn't play him more than 15 minutes a game?

[ImKobe]

Coming from a guy who a couple of days ago said the Cavs & Lakers had equal supporting casts in 2008-2010. Pathetic.

You can make a case for the '09 Lakers because of Ariza's shooting in the POs but I don't see how the '08 or '10 Lakers had the better supporting casts, they weren't that good bro.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Kawhi leonard still has the greatest game 7 ever in 2019 2nd round

- 48% usage

- 40 points and 10+ in the 4th quarter

- only buzzer beating game winner ever

:pimp:

[RRR3]

Coming from a guy who a couple of days ago said the Cavs & Lakers had equal supporting casts in 2008-2010. Pathetic.
Mamba Mythologists :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi leonard still has the greatest game 7 ever in 2019 2nd round

- 48% usage

- 40 points and 10+ in the 4th quarter

- only buzzer beating game winner ever

:pimp:
He also has the worst game 7 ever in 2020.

[coastalmarker99]

What did Kobe average?

It is amazing to me that


LeBron doubled Kobe's production on passing and rebounds, and 30% more scoring while being far more efficient.

In-game sevens and elimination games

Kobe

Regular Season

25.0 PPG / 5.2 RPG / 4.7 APG / 0.5 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 44.7% FG


Game 7s

22.2 PPG / 8.0 RPG / 5.0 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.0 SPG / 38.9% FG


Elimination Games

22.3 PPG / 5.8 RPG / 3.5 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.3 SPG / 44.0% FG


Lebron

Regular Season

27.0 PPG / 7.4 RPG / 7.4 APG / 0.7 BPG / 1.6 SPG / 50.4% FG


Game 7s

34.87 PPG / 9.87 RPG / 5.6 APG / 0.8 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 48.7% FG



Elimination Games

33.48 PPG / 10.76 RPG / 7.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.6 SPG / 48.8% FG

[coastalmarker99]

Lebron played on a level that could be only described as God tier in the 2018 playoffs.

In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs vs the Pacers LeBron James accounted for 35% of the Cavs total points, rebounds and assists.

Also in the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers.

LeBron James won a playoff series without any teammate scoring 20 points in any of the games for the first time in his career.

In-Game 7 of the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers.

LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 45 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 steals in a Game 7.

In Game 2 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Toronto Raptors.

LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 42 points, 8 rebounds, and 14 assists in a Playoff Game.

Since then, Luka Doncic has also done it in the 2021 Playoffs.

Most Points in a Game 7 Win in NBA Playoff History:
1. Sam Jones (1963) - 47 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 45 Points

Most Points on the Road in a Game 7 Win to Advance to the Finals in NBA Playoff History:
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 35 Points
T1. Shaquille O’Neal (2002) - 35 Points


Players to Lead Both Teams Outright in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a Game 7 in NBA Playoff History:
LeBron James - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals
Jayson Tatum - 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals
Larry Bird - 1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals



In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James had:
8 of the 13 highest scoring games
9 of the 25 highest assisting games
8 of the 26 highest rebounding games

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James scored or assisted on 55.4 PPG through the Eastern Conference Playoffs, which was the most he has ever had in all of his 10 finals runs.


LeBron James had 612 points in the first 18 games of the 2018 Playoffs, which was 34 PPG.

That is tied with Michael Jordan in the 1992 Playoffs for the most PPG entering the Finals since 1970.

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run Entering NBA Finals in NBA Playoff History:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 612 Points
2. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 594 Points
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 591 Points
4. Michael Jordan (1990) - 587 Points
5. Kevin Durant (2014) - 563 Points

Most PPG in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History minimum of 19 games :
1. Michael Jordan (1993) - 35.1 PPG
2. LeBron James (2018) - 34.9 PPG
3. Michael Jordan (1992) - 34.5 PPG
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 33.0 PPG

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History :
1. Michael Jordan (1992) - 759 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 748 Points
3. Kawhi Leonard (2019) - 732 Points
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 725 Points
5. Allen Iverson (2001) - 723 Points


Most 40 Point Games in a Single Postseason in NBA Playoff History
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 8
T1. Jerry West (1965) - 8
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 7

[Axe]

Kawhi leonard still has the greatest game 7 ever in 2019 2nd round

- 48% usage

- 40 points and 10+ in the 4th quarter

- only buzzer beating game winner ever

:pimp:
Against the trio of the so-called warriors of the east that never won 55 games in the rs nor made the ecf in a handful seasons prior.

[Manny98]

That's cute.

KD averages 36.2 ppg on 53/49/85 splits in Game 7s.
/Thread :roll:

[TheCorporation]

What did Kobe average?

https://c.tenor.com/A0REOBRcXzcAAAAM/black-boy-reaction.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

It is amazing to me that


LeBron doubled Kobe's production on passing and rebounds, and 30% more scoring while being far more efficient.

In-game sevens and elimination games

Kobe

Regular Season

25.0 PPG / 5.2 RPG / 4.7 APG / 0.5 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 44.7% FG


Game 7s

22.2 PPG / 8.0 RPG / 5.0 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.0 SPG / 38.9% FG


Elimination Games

22.3 PPG / 5.8 RPG / 3.5 APG / 1.3 BPG / 1.3 SPG / 44.0% FG


Lebron

Regular Season

27.0 PPG / 7.4 RPG / 7.4 APG / 0.7 BPG / 1.6 SPG / 50.4% FG


Game 7s

34.87 PPG / 9.87 RPG / 5.6 APG / 0.8 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 48.7% FG



Elimination Games

33.48 PPG / 10.76 RPG / 7.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.6 SPG / 48.8% FG
It's honestly inconceivable that a guy with the clutch & scoring rep of Kobe barely averaged 22 ppg on shit efficiency with his teams season on the line. Just goes to show how the narrative doesn't always align with reality.

[Hey Yo]

That asshole is a troll and derails any thread he can, I don't give a **** about him creaming over his favorite player while he disguises himself as a fake Laker fan.
Imagine being this triggered about me starting a thread full of facts and records.

Calls me a fake Laker fan, while you've continued to root against LA since 2019. Must've sucked for ya to watch James hoist that trophy in the air while the tears streamed down your face. One more title in LA and LeBron will have tied Kobe with 2 each.

Deal with it, fakkit.

[1987_Lakers]

Imagine being this triggered about me starting a thread full of facts and records.

Calls me a fake Laker fan, while you've continued to root against LA since 2019. Must've sucked for ya to watch James hoist that trophy in the air while the tears streamed down your face. One more title in LA and LeBron will have tied Kobe with 2 each.

Deal with it, fakkit.

I think he was talking about me in his post, but you're right. I didn't see him at all after we won in 2020.

[3ba11]

The super-teams of prior years gave the 18' Cavs a 3-time defending conference champion with an unfair experience advantage and 2-star team against a bunch of 0-star teams with no experience.

The prior super-teams simply gave those Cavs an experienced, veteran juggernaut compared to their Eastern comp

[Hey Yo]

The super-teams of prior years gave the 18' Cavs a 3-time defending conference champion with an unfair experience advantage and 2-star team against a bunch of 0-star teams with no experience.

TLDR: the prior super-teams gave those Cavs an experienced, veteran juggernaut compared to their Eastern comp

So how were those inexperienced Celtics able to go up 3-2 with K. Love in the line-up?

Then lose games 6 and 7(as the favorite in gm7) without facing K. Love who was out with a concussion?

[3ba11]

So how were those inexperienced Celtics able to go up 3-2 with K. Love in the line-up?

Then lose games 6 and 7(as the favorite in gm7) without facing K. Love who was out with a concussion?


It isn't impressive to beat young, 0-star teams with a 3-time defending conference champ and the best 2nd option in the conference.

The prior super-teams gave the 18' Cavs a juggernaut of champion veterans - how could a young, 0-star team compete? It's a travesty that they did... (Indiana and Boston).. young, zero star teams shouldn't be competitive against a 3-time conference champ

[ShawkFactory]

It isn't impressive to beat young, 0-star teams with a 3-time defending conference champ and the best 2nd option in the conference.

The prior super-teams gave the 18' Cavs a juggernaut of champion veterans - how could a young, 0-star team compete? It's a travesty that they did... (Indiana and Boston).. young, zero star teams shouldn't be competitive against a 3-time conference champ

The Celtics had the east All Star center.

[3ba11]

The Celtics had the east All Star center.


Horford isn't a scorer or scoring option (his scoring faces no defensive attention/no impact), so those Celtics were a 0-star team of rookies

Even if we say they were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions)

[ShawkFactory]

Horford isn't a scorer or scoring option (his scoring faces no defensive attention/no impact), so those Celtics were a 0-star team of rookies

Even if we say they were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions)

So even though they had the East All Star center (and seasoned 5x All Star overall) and one rookie who got any minutes...they were a 0-star team of rookies?

Makes sense.

[SouBeachTalents]

Horford isn't a scorer or scoring option (his scoring faces no defensive attention/no impact), so those Celtics were a 0-star team of rookies

Even if we say they were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions)
Horford averaged more ppg in those playoffs than Love did. In fact, he averaged just shy of what Wade did in 2013.

[3ba11]

So even though they had the East All Star center (and seasoned 5x All Star overall)...they didn't have any stars?

Makes sense.


Horford gets putbacks and dunks - so his scoring doesn't have star impact (he doesn't attract defensive attention)

Even if we say they were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions due to the super-teams from 15-17')

[Spurs m8]

Lebron played on a level that could be only described as God tier in the 2018 playoffs.

In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs vs the Pacers LeBron James accounted for 35% of the Cavs total points, rebounds and assists.

Also in the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers.

LeBron James won a playoff series without any teammate scoring 20 points in any of the games for the first time in his career.

In-Game 7 of the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers.

LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 45 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 steals in a Game 7.

In Game 2 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Toronto Raptors.

LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 42 points, 8 rebounds, and 14 assists in a Playoff Game.

Since then, Luka Doncic has also done it in the 2021 Playoffs.

Most Points in a Game 7 Win in NBA Playoff History:
1. Sam Jones (1963) - 47 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 45 Points

Most Points on the Road in a Game 7 Win to Advance to the Finals in NBA Playoff History:
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 35 Points
T1. Shaquille O’Neal (2002) - 35 Points


Players to Lead Both Teams Outright in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a Game 7 in NBA Playoff History:
LeBron James - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals
Jayson Tatum - 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals
Larry Bird - 1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals



In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James had:
8 of the 13 highest scoring games
9 of the 25 highest assisting games
8 of the 26 highest rebounding games

Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%
T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%
T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%
T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%
T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%

In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James scored or assisted on 55.4 PPG through the Eastern Conference Playoffs, which was the most he has ever had in all of his 10 finals runs.


LeBron James had 612 points in the first 18 games of the 2018 Playoffs, which was 34 PPG.

That is tied with Michael Jordan in the 1992 Playoffs for the most PPG entering the Finals since 1970.

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run Entering NBA Finals in NBA Playoff History:
1. LeBron James (2018) - 612 Points
2. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 594 Points
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 591 Points
4. Michael Jordan (1990) - 587 Points
5. Kevin Durant (2014) - 563 Points

Most PPG in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History minimum of 19 games :
1. Michael Jordan (1993) - 35.1 PPG
2. LeBron James (2018) - 34.9 PPG
3. Michael Jordan (1992) - 34.5 PPG
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 33.0 PPG

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History :
1. Michael Jordan (1992) - 759 Points
2. LeBron James (2018) - 748 Points
3. Kawhi Leonard (2019) - 732 Points
4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 725 Points
5. Allen Iverson (2001) - 723 Points


Most 40 Point Games in a Single Postseason in NBA Playoff History
T1. LeBron James (2018) - 8
T1. Jerry West (1965) - 8
3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 7

This literally proves how piss weak his conference was.

He got SWEPT when he faced a real team.

End fvcking thread

[1987_Lakers]

3ball again showing he doesn't know shit.

[ShawkFactory]

Horford gets putbacks and dunks - so his scoring doesn't have star impact (he doesn't attract defensive attention)

Even if we say they were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions due to the super-teams from 15-17')

This is just...blatantly false. But even if it were true (it's not), is that not valuable to a team? Especially for a bunch of inefficient "rookies".

[3ba11]

3ball again showing he doesn't know shit.


I remember Horford dominating to start that series, but the very fact that a rebounder like Horford was the 1st option shows how weak the team was - Horford was the Celtics' best player but < Love

Even if we say Horford was a "star", the Celtics were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions due to the super-teams from 15-17')

[RRR3]

Snivelly has never seen Horford play :roll:

[3ba11]

Snivelly has never seen Horford play :roll:


Horford isn't good as your #1 scoring option... :confusedshrug:

The fact that he was the Celtics' go-to guy confirms how weak that team was

If beating them is a carry-job, then what is beating the #1 SRS team in 89' with a lottery cast?

How about winning 6 Finals by carrying the load? How about every series of Jordan's career was a carry-job?

No comparison - Lebron's "carry-jobs" don't compare to MJ

[SouBeachTalents]

I remember Horford dominating to start that series, but the very fact that a rebounder like Horford was the 1st option shows how weak the team was - Horford was the Celtics' best player but < Love

Even if we say Horford was a "star", the Celtics were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions due to the super-teams from 15-17')
No he wasn't. How much you guys want to bet 3ball literally doesn't even know Love missed the last 2 games of the series :lol

[1987_Lakers]

I remember Horford dominating to start that series, but the very fact that a rebounder like Horford was the 1st option shows how weak the team was - Horford was the Celtics' best player but < Love

Even if we say Horford was a "star", the Celtics were a 1-star team of rookies - that shouldn't stand a chance against a 2-star team of veteran champs (3-time defending conference champions due to the super-teams from 15-17')

Horford outplayed Love in that series and Love missed games 6 & 7. Not to mention Boston also had Tatum & Brown who were the 2 best players in that series not named LeBron.

You basically had 3 Boston guys outproduce Love in that series, you ignore the fact that LeBron closed out Boston without Love after being down 3-2, yet you make it seem like it was LeBron & Love vs a team with no All-stars. You are pathetic dude.

[3ba11]

Horford outplayed Love in that series and Love missed games 6 & 7. Not to mention Boston also had Tatum & Brown who were the 2 best players in that series not named LeBron.

You basically had 3 Boston guys outproduce Love in that series, you ignore the fact that LeBron closed out Boston without Love after being down 3-2, yet you make it seem like it was LeBron & Love vs a team with no All-stars. You are pathetic dude.


Lebron should destroy Horford just like Jordan destroyed Barkley

Or like when Jordan destroyed Ewing

Or like Jordan destroyed anyone in any series - Jordan didn't lose to anyone with a star teammate

The only reason Lebron struggles against 1-star teams is because he isn't as good as Jordan and employs inferior strategy/brand that yields far weaker teams

[ShawkFactory]

In all seriousness with Horford, he is truly the definition of a guy who's impact goes beyond the stat sheet. One of my favorite players of all time.

Great rebounder, amazing hands, one of the best catch-and-shoot bigs in the game, one of the best passing bigs in the game, very good defensively, and extremely unselfish overall.

Truly a great guy to have on your team.

[SouBeachTalents]

In all seriousness with Horford, he is truly the definition of a guy who's impact goes beyond the stat sheet. One of my favorite players of all time.

Great rebounder, amazing hands, one of the best catch-and-shoot bigs in the game, one of the best passing bigs in the game, very good defensively, and extremely unselfish overall.

Truly a great guy to have on your team.
Spot on. I'd take Horford over Love on my team every time.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron should destroy Horford just like Jordan destroyed Barkley

Or like when Jordan destroyed Ewing

Or like Jordan destroyed anyone in any series - Jordan didn't lose to anyone with a star teammate

The only reason Lebron struggles against 1-star teams is because he isn't as good as Jordan and employs inferior strategy/brand that yields far weaker teams

What the hell does that have to do with what I just posted? I was just pointing out how dumb you are for lying that the Celtics had 0 All-stars and lying that Love was better than all of the Celtics players in that series.

And your response is to come up with this wacky insecure post? LOL

[3ba11]

What the hell does that have to do with what I just posted? I was just pointing out how dumb you are for lying that the Celtics had 0 All-stars and lying that Love was better than all of the Celtics players in that series.

And your response is to come up with this wacky insecure post? LOL


You're lying - I never said the Celtics didn't have all-stars - I said they didn't have any stars, which is true.. Horford isn't a star and has never been considered one.

Regardless, Lebron beating those Celtics is less impressive than Jordan beating any 1-star team that he beat (like Barkley's Sixers), let alone 3-star teams or #1 SRS like the 89' Cavs .. basically any series of Jordan's career is more impressive because those Celtics would be among the worst playoff teams that he ever faced... Let alone beating many top 5 SRS teams with bed-wetting teammates, which Lebron has never done

Lebron beating those Celtics simply wasn't impressive AT ALL for anyone that watched MJ, since he usually DESTROYED 1-star teams

[1987_Lakers]

You're lying - I never said the Celtics didn't have all-stars


Lebron should destroy Horford just like Jordan destroyed Barkley

Or like when Jordan destroyed Ewing

Or like Jordan destroyed anyone in any series - Jordan didn't lose to anyone with a star teammate

The only reason Lebron struggles against 1-star teams is because he isn't as good as Jordan and employs inferior strategy/brand that yields far weaker teams

Look how you called Boston a 1-star team right after someone corrected you that the Celtics had an all-star.

You aren't fooling anyone, you either lied or were simply clueless. I would probably go with clueless, you prove time and time again that you don't know shit about what has happened in the NBA the last 10 years or so. Remember when you had to look up if the Lakers were favorites vs the Mavs in 2011? That post right there exposed you, you don't know shit about the current NBA and just look at stats all day to prove your weak ass points. Like seriously, who in their right mind would make a Oubre > Klay thread?

[SouBeachTalents]

Look how you called Boston a 1-star team right after someone corrected you that the Celtics had an all-star.

You aren't fooling anyone, you either lied or were simply clueless. I would probably go with clueless, you prove time and time again that you don't know shit about what has happened in the NBA the last 10 years or so. Remember when you had to look up if the Lakers were favorites vs the Mavs in 2011? That post right there exposed you, you don't know shit about the current NBA and just look at stats all day to prove your weak ass points. Like seriously, who in their right mind would make a Oubre > Klay thread?
That's honestly even more damning than Oubre > Klay :lol Even the most casual NBA fan would've know that shit.

[3ba11]

Look how you called Boston a 1-star team right after someone corrected you that the Celtics had an all-star.

You aren't fooling anyone, you either lied or were simply clueless. I would probably go with clueless, you prove time and time again that you don't know shit about what has happened in the NBA the last 10 years or so. Remember when you had to look up if the Lakers were favorites vs the Mavs in 2011? That post right there exposed you, you don't know shit about the current NBA and just look at stats all day to prove your weak ass points. Like seriously, who in their right mind would make a Oubre > Klay thread?


What's more impressive to win with


A) beating Horford with Love getting 13 on 38%

B) beating Dominique with Pippen getting 15 on 33%

C) beating the 88' Cavs with Pippen getting 10 ppg

D) beating the #1 SRS team (3-star team) with Pippen getting 15 on 40% in 1989

E) beating the 98' Jazz or 96' Sonics with Pippen getting 15.7 on 34%

F) beating the 98' Pacers with Pippen getting 16 on 39%

G) B thru F

[SouBeachTalents]

What's more impressive to win with


A) beating Horford with Love getting 13 on 38%

B) beating Dominique with Pippen getting 15 on 33%

C) beating the 88' Cavs with Pippen getting 10 ppg

D) beating the #1 SRS Cavs (3-star team) with Pippen getting 15 on 40%

E) beating the 98' Jazz or 96' Sonics with Pippen getting 15.7 on 34%

F) beating the 98' Pacers with Pippen getting 16 on 39%

G) B thru F
Pippen averaged 1 ppg less than Reggie in the '98 ECF. And he AND Kukoc outscored the Jazz 2nd option by 5 ppg in '98 :oldlol: So neither of those are remotely impressive.

[3ba11]

Pippen averaged 1 ppg less than Reggie in the '98 ECF. And he AND Kukoc outscored the Jazz 2nd option by 5 ppg in '98 :oldlol: So neither of those are remotely impressive.


Show me where Lebron had to score 38% of his team's points against a good team while overcoming maximum defensive attention (18 more than nearest teammate).

Waiting..

Infact, show me where Lebron defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level (carried scoring load in the Finals), or show me where he carried bed-wetting teammates over a top 5 SRS team...

Surely he's defeated max defensive attention in the Finals and had carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing?..

Or does he lack the elite jumpshooting skill to shoot well at higher jumpshooting volumes, and need too much ball-dominance at high scoring levels to have carry jobs against good teams?... hmmm

[SouBeachTalents]

Show me where Lebron had to score 38% of his team's points against a good team while overcoming maximum defensive attention (18 more than nearest teammate).

Waiting..

Infact, show me where Lebron defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level (carried scoring load in the Finals), or show me where he carried bed-wetting teammates over a top 5 SRS team...

Surely he's defeated max defensive attention in the Finals and had carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing?..

Or does he lack the elite jumpshooting skill to shoot well at higher jumpshooting volumes, and need too much ball-dominance at high scoring levels to have carry jobs against good teams?... hmmm
I hate to break it to you, but none of your cherry picked bullshit matters :lol LeBron beating a a top 6 SRS team with a weak supporting cast instead of a top 5 means nothing. LeBron outscoring his 2nd option by 5-6 ppg in specifically the Finals instead of 9-10 ppg, even though he has an entire title run outscoring his 2nd option by double digits, means nothing.

He's going to be a unanimous top 2-3 player until someone else surpasses him, and none of your arbitrary, cherry picked stats is going to do a thing to change that. If LeBron wasn't such a threat to Jordan, you wouldn't have devoted the last decade to diminishing him.

[3ba11]

I hate to break it to you, but none of your cherry picked bullshit matters :lol LeBron beating a a top 6 SRS team with a weak supporting cast instead of a top 5 means nothing. LeBron outscoring his 2nd option by 5-6 ppg in specifically the Finals instead of 9-10 ppg, even though he has an entire title run outscoring his 2nd option by double digits, means nothing.

He's going to be a unanimous top 2-3 player until someone else surpasses him, and none of your arbitrary, cherry picked stats is going to do a thing to change that. If LeBron wasn't such a threat to Jordan, you wouldn't have devoted the last decade to diminishing him.


In 20 years, Lebron is 0 for 11 in beating top 5 SRS team with bed-wetting teammates

That's 0 for 11 in carry-jobs over good teams.

the fact that you have to use a #6 SRS and can't find anything else in 20 years makes my point - averaging 25 on 44% against the #6 SRS is your best example of a carry-job - Jordan wouldn't win a single series with those stats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(btw, I made up the 0 for 11 because I'm too lazy to look that up, but it's a lot regardless)

[SouBeachTalents]

In 20 years, Lebron is 0 for 11 in beating top 5 SRS team with bed-wetting teammates

That's 0 for 11 in carry-jobs over good teams.

the fact that you have to use a #6 SRS and can't find anything else in 20 years makes my point - averaging 25 on 44% against the #6 SRS is your best example of a carry-job - Jordan wouldn't win a single series with those stats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(btw, I made up the 0 for 11 because I'm too lazy to look that up, but it's a lot regardless)
Check the '96 Finals

[3ba11]

Check the '96 Finals


Jordan's scoring in the 96' Finals relative to everyone else shows that he was carrying the team and he had already won the series after 3 games with 31 on 46%.

So another weak example by you.

The fact that you have to use Lebron's 25 on 45% against the #6 SRS as your best example of a carry-job against a good team makes my point

regardless of the splitting hairs, grammatical errors, or other meaningless points that you want to make about my posts, you aren't refuting the issue that Lebron has no carry-jobs against good teams because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, or too inefficient at the extra jumpshooting volume.

Lebron simply can't teams over good opposition... smh... it's hard to imagine how you enjoyed watching a guy that can't carry teams and needs equal-scoring teammates to beat good teams. (can't beat max defensive attention on the highest level, aka never carried scoring load in the Finals).

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan's scoring in the 96' Finals relative to everyone else shows that he was carrying the team and he had already won the series after 3 games with 31 on 46%.

So another weak example by you.

The fact that you have to use Lebron's 25 on 45% against the #6 SRS as your best example of a carry-job against a good team makes my point

regardless of the splitting hairs, grammatical errors, or other meaningless points that you want to make about my posts, you aren't refuting the issue that Lebron has no carry-jobs against good teams because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams, or too inefficient at the extra jumpshooting volume.

Lebron simply can't teams over good opposition... smh... it's hard to imagine how you enjoyed watching a guy that can't carry teams and needs equal-scoring teammates to beat good teams. (can't beat max defensive attention on the highest level, aka never carried scoring load in the Finals).
LeBron led the Heat in scoring by 5-6 ppg in addition to leading them in assists, rebounds and steals in the Finals against two teams with multiple HOF's. Only in your deluded mind is that not "carrying" a team. He also led both teams in every category against a 73 win team, something Jordan in his wildest dreams wouldn't be capable of doing.

[3ba11]

LeBron led the Heat in scoring by 5-6 ppg in addition to leading them in assists, rebounds and steals in the Finals against two teams with multiple HOF's. Only in your deluded mind is that not "carrying" a team. He also led both teams in every category against a 73 win team, something Jordan in his wildest dreams wouldn't be capable of doing.


Lebron faced no defensive attention compared to MJ and never defeated significant defensive attention in the Finals because he always had an equal-scoring and equal-usage teammate to carry half the burden of closing possessions.

And Jordan led the Bulls in assists for the Finals with more TEAM assists, while Lebron's teams were getting massively out-assisted and losing as a result - so Lebron is BAD at assists and you shouldn't use that as an argument.. His team would've been more competitive if he averaged less assists and could generate high team assists like Jordan

Then there's defense... smh

[Axe]

Imagine being this triggered about me starting a thread full of facts and records.

Calls me a fake Laker fan, while you've continued to root against LA since 2019. Must've sucked for ya to watch James hoist that trophy in the air while the tears streamed down your face. One more title in LA and LeBron will have tied Kobe with 2 each.

Deal with it, fakkit.
I think he was referring to another poster when he said that, not you. Wow for a maga fanboy you're such a gullible crybaby after all. Yikes.

[WhiteKyrie]

That young baby Celtics team. I’d they had Kyrie they could’ve won the chip.

[StrongLurk]

Three Ball just can't be a real person. I've never seen someone so biased/hateful against a single athlete - Lebron.

At this point he must be involved with ISH and just posts/trolls to help ISH out...because literally every post is a troll/hate job. Most of his posts don't even have a real point.

[Bankaii]

That asshole is a troll and derails any thread he can, I don't give a **** about him creaming over his favorite player while he disguises himself as a fake Laker fan.
Replace lebron with Kobe and you’re literally describing yourself.

You have a Lebron avy and “Bran fam member” on your profile. Don’t talk about fake fans lmao.

[HoopsNY]

You can make a case for the '09 Lakers because of Ariza's shooting in the POs but I don't see how the '08 or '10 Lakers had the better supporting casts, they weren't that good bro.

I mentioned this in the other thread. The '08 Lakers won 57 games and were a 1st seed in a conference where all eight playoff teams won 50 or more games. The Cavs were a 45 win team in a weaker conference. There just aren't any logical arguments to claim the Lakers didn't have better casts.

[ImKobe]

I mentioned this in the other thread. The '08 Lakers won 57 games and were a 1st seed in a conference where all eight playoff teams won 50 or more games. The Cavs were a 45 win team in a weaker conference. There just aren't any logical arguments to claim the Lakers didn't have better casts.

Bran missed games that year & they made the trade in the middle of the season to improve the roster with Delonte, Wally, Joe Smith and Ben Wallace. Lakers were among the top teams in the West without Gasol and before Bynum's injury. Cavs had a similar roster with Big Z and Andy V but it wasn't a great fit with Lebron. Put Varejao on the Lakers in '08 and he's averaging 10+/10+ a game but with Lebron he did nothing but clog up the driving lane. If Lebron had no help in '08, how did the Cavs get to a Game 7 with him shooting 35% in that Boston series? They won games where he shot 5/16 & 7/20 & 9/23.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bran missed games that year & they made the trade in the middle of the season to improve the roster with Delonte, Wally, Joe Smith and Ben Wallace. Lakers were among the top teams in the West without Gasol and before Bynum's injury. Cavs had a similar roster with Big Z and Andy V but it wasn't a great fit with Lebron. Put Varejao on the Lakers in '08 and he's averaging 10+/10+ a game but with Lebron he did nothing but clog up the driving lane. If Lebron had no help in '08, how did the Cavs get to a Game 7 with him shooting 35% in that Boston series? They won games where he shot 5/16 & 7/20 & 9/23.
That's true, but on the flip side LeBron averaged 40 ppg over the final 2 games in Boston and the Cavs lost both of them.

[ImKobe]

That's true, but on the flip side LeBron averaged 40 ppg over the final 2 games in Boston and the Cavs lost both of them.

Paul Pierce played one of his best games in Game 7 and Bron ran out of juice at the end. Cavs could have won this series in 6 had they won one of the 1st two games. They lost by 4 when Bran went 2/18 with 10 TOs.

[RRR3]

ImKobe is the one of the most pathetic sacks of shit on here.

[HoopsNY]

Bran missed games that year & they made the trade in the middle of the season to improve the roster with Delonte, Wally, Joe Smith and Ben Wallace. Lakers were among the top teams in the West without Gasol and before Bynum's injury. Cavs had a similar roster with Big Z and Andy V but it wasn't a great fit with Lebron. Put Varejao on the Lakers in '08 and he's averaging 10+/10+ a game but with Lebron he did nothing but clog up the driving lane. If Lebron had no help in '08, how did the Cavs get to a Game 7 with him shooting 35% in that Boston series? They won games where he shot 5/16 & 7/20 & 9/23.

Cleveland was 0-7 without LeBron in those games. If he plays those games, what do they go, 5-2? That's a 50 win team, still.

They added Wallace, Wally, and West and were barely a .500 team with them. I mean c'mon. You're bringing up guys that aren't anywhere near the combination of Odom/Gasol. I mean...Joe Smith? Really?

LAL was on a tear before adding Gasol and after that trend remained. The fact remains, the Lakers had a better cast, and not to mention, they had Phil Jackson as their coach.

I'm not a Bran stan bro and you know that for a fact, but you're completely overrating LeBron's cast in 2008 here.

[RRR3]

Cleveland was 0-7 without LeBron in those games. If he plays those games, what do they go, 5-2? That's a 50 win team, still.

They added Wallace, Wally, and West and were barely a .500 team with them. I mean c'mon. You're bringing up guys that aren't anywhere near the combination of Odom/Gasol. I mean...Joe Smith? Really?

LAL was on a tear before adding Gasol and after that trend remained. The fact remains, the Lakers had a better cast, and not to mention, they had Phil Jackson as their coach.

I'm not a Bran stan bro and you know that for a fact, but you're completely overrating LeBron's cast in 2008 here.
Not to mention LeBron's prime hadn't even started in 08. 09 is commonly when people think he entered his prime. And 2008 was arguably Kobe's peak. Very weird comparison by a disingenuous poster.

[ImKobe]

Cleveland was 0-7 without LeBron in those games. If he plays those games, what do they go, 5-2? That's a 50 win team, still.

They added Wallace, Wally, and West and were barely a .500 team with them. I mean c'mon. You're bringing up guys that aren't anywhere near the combination of Odom/Gasol. I mean...Joe Smith? Really?

LAL was on a tear before adding Gasol and after that trend remained. The fact remains, the Lakers had a better cast, and not to mention, they had Phil Jackson as their coach.

I'm not a Bran stan bro and you know that for a fact, but you're completely overrating LeBron's cast in 2008 here.

That's a 50-win team, exactly. Lakers weren't really on a tear before the Gasol trade because they lost Bynum for the season in January and Ariza was hurt all year & barely played in the POs. Gasol was awesome in the first 2 rounds but looked more like a role player against the Spurs & Celtics. Odom was good but he was no All-Star either. Farmar, Radmanovic, Walton & Vujacic played huge minutes in the POs.. That team was far from stacked.

[HoopsNY]

Not to mention LeBron's prime hadn't even started in 08. 09 is commonly when people think he entered his prime. And 2008 was arguably Kobe's peak. Very weird comparison by a disingenuous poster.

LeBron's prime began in 2005. His peak was 2009-14, but he was still very much in his prime in 2008. Irrespective of prime/peak differentials, the Cavs supporting cast just wasn't that good when comparing them to the Lakers.

[HoopsNY]

That's a 50-win team, exactly. Lakers weren't really on a tear before the Gasol trade because they lost Bynum for the season in January and Ariza was hurt all year & barely played in the POs. Gasol was awesome in the first 2 rounds but looked more like a role player against the Spurs & Celtics. Odom was good but he was no All-Star either. Farmar, Radmanovic, Walton & Vujacic played huge minutes in the POs.. That team was far from stacked.

Again, that's a 50 win in the Eastern Conference compared to a 57 win team in the Western Conference that saw all eight playoff teams win 50 or more games.

It means that it took more to win that conference. And by more, I mean more than just Kobe. Just look at Gasol and Odom in the playoffs and compare them to Cleveland's cast.

Gasol: 17/9/4/2 on 53%
Odom: 14/10/3/1 on 49%
Fisher: 10/2/3/2 on 45/44/84

Ilgauskas: 13/8/2/1 on 48%
Szczerbiak: 11/2/2/0 on 38%
West: 11/3/4/1 on 40/43/85

You can't tell me that LeBron's cast is somehow better than Kobe's. This is asinine at this point. If LeBron has Gasol, Odom, and Phil in the Boston series, the likelihood of them winning goes up significantly.

[ImKobe]

Again, that's a 50 win in the Eastern Conference compared to a 57 win team in the Western Conference that saw all eight playoff teams win 50 or more games.

It means that it took more to win that conference. And by more, I mean more than just Kobe. Just look at Gasol and Odom in the playoffs and compare them to Cleveland's cast.

Gasol: 17/9/4/2 on 53%
Odom: 14/10/3/1 on 49%
Fisher: 10/2/3/2 on 45/44/84

Ilgauskas: 13/8/2/1 on 48%
Szczerbiak: 11/2/2/0 on 38%
West: 11/3/4/1 on 40/43/85

You can't tell me that LeBron's cast is somehow better than Kobe's. This is asinine at this point. If LeBron has Gasol, Odom, and Phil in the Boston series, the likelihood of them winning goes up significantly.

That's not a huge enough gap, considering the Cavs had more depth. Celtics also scored 18 less pts a game against the Cavs than in the Finals and the Cavs blew Game 1 when the Celtics scored just 76 pts with Bran going 2/18 & 10 TOs, Big Z had 22/12 2 stls 2 blocks in that game. They also blew the Celtics out by 24 when Delonte had 21/5/7 & Joe Smith had 17/6 while Bran had 21 pts on 5/16 shooting. They also held the Celtics to 69 pts in Game 6 to force a Game 7.

Gasol didn't score 20 once in any of the WCF/Finals games.

[HoopsNY]

That's not a huge enough gap, considering the Cavs had more depth. Celtics also scored 18 less pts a game against the Cavs than in the Finals and the Cavs blew Game 1 when the Celtics scored just 76 pts with Bran going 2/18 & 10 TOs, Big Z had 22/12 2 stls 2 blocks in that game. They also blew the Celtics out by 24 when Delonte had 21/5/7 & Joe Smith had 17/6 while Bran had 21 pts on 5/16 shooting. They also held the Celtics to 69 pts in Game 6 to force a Game 7.

Gasol didn't score 20 once in any of the WCF/Finals games.

Your problem is that you're isolating specific games and then using such games to assert the claim that Kobe's cast was inferior to LeBron's when looking at them from a general standpoint. The data I used is from the entire playoffs, not one game. In addition, we have an entire season's worth of sampling that shows us similar.

Even if you agree that the difference is not significant, but that it still favors Kobe, then it defeats the premise of your original claim - (that LeBron's cast was in fact better). In addition, while the Cavs may have had better depth, it doesn't override the more important pieces of a cast, which are your second option, third option, and your head coach.

We can cite a ton of examples where depth didn't give an opposing team victory over another, and that is usually because your 1-3, or your starting 5, as well as head coach, have a much bigger margin share of victory than your team's 6-10.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson (Lakers)
2nd Option: Pau Gasol (Lakers)
3rd Option: Lamar Odom (Lakers)
4th Option: Derek Fisher (Lakers)

These 4 have a higher overall share of contribution towards their team than what the Cavs offered when aligned in a similar fashion. And when we examine 2009 and 2010, it becomes even more evident.

[ShawkFactory]

That's not a huge enough gap, considering the Cavs had more depth. Celtics also scored 18 less pts a game against the Cavs than in the Finals and the Cavs blew Game 1 when the Celtics scored just 76 pts with Bran going 2/18 & 10 TOs, Big Z had 22/12 2 stls 2 blocks in that game. They also blew the Celtics out by 24 when Delonte had 21/5/7 & Joe Smith had 17/6 while Bran had 21 pts on 5/16 shooting. They also held the Celtics to 69 pts in Game 6 to force a Game 7.

Gasol didn't score 20 once in any of the WCF/Finals games.

Are you actually still trying to argue that the Lebron had a better team around him than Kobe those years?

Wtf dude just give it. It was 10 years ago we remember the teams.