watching the "tuck rule" 30 for 30. the rule itself makes no sense

[John_Connor]

what QB tucks the ball unless they're running with it. it should be "the control" rule with 2 hands


the ruling on the field was "his arm was going forward for the pass"

so the tuck rule isn't even what was called and its been used since because it was proven brady stopped his forward motion and began to bring the ball back. but not to "tuck" the football ( as everyone argues ) but to control the football with 2 hands. and he ALMOST gets there but doesn't make it and when the ball is in just one hand its easy to strip.


this is what people think/argue that brady was trying to do

https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2018/12/02210713/GettyImages-1067771854-1024x682.jpg



but what QB does this in the pocket lol. tucking the ball makes zero sense. tom was trying to control the football with 2 hands like this


https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/12/122121-tom-brady-1-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all



but instead he was trying to get back there after his forward motion and was stuck like this when he was hit

https://www.pngkey.com/png/full/63-635106_tom-brady-fathead-nfl-player-png.png




he hadn't gotten his left hand on the football yet... in that case its an incomplete pass because until he secures the ball is still part of the last forward motion. its a stupid rule but it is a rule. it just needs to be changed from "the tuck rule" to "the control rule"


all that being said i still think it should be a fumble and the rules bullshit. after the forward motion is finished its open to getting stripped IMO

[John_Connor]

now i'm watching a second 30 for 30 and just found out that if it wasn't for 9/11 tom brady's career as a patriot never happens

9/11 caused them to postpone their next game and cause of that drew bledsoe got hurt and sent to the hospital in that rescheduled game and that basically ended his career there

https://i.postimg.cc/vBCPdnXj/Screen-Shot-2022-02-06-at-10-00-44-PM.png

:eek:

[highwhey]

OP is a fagg0t with chinese made baseball cards.

[SouBeachTalents]

now i'm watching a second 30 for 30 and just found out that if it wasn't for 9/11 tom brady's career as a patriot never happens

9/11 caused them to postpone their next game and cause of that drew bledsoe got hurt and sent to the hospital in that rescheduled game and that basically ended his career there

https://i.postimg.cc/vBCPdnXj/Screen-Shot-2022-02-06-at-10-00-44-PM.png

:eek:
I'm honestly astonished they brought that up. I always thought that would be considered too morbid/too anti PC to bring up the fact that Brady's career, whether you like it or not, was jumpstarted by 9/11.

No 9/11, no reorganizing the schedule, no playing the Jets that week, no Mo Lewis hit on Bledsoe. Not quite the Disney, feel good story they'd like to sell, but that's the way things factually went down :lol

[1987_Lakers]

This loss still hurts me, as a kid I remember being dragged to Walmart by my parents when this game was on, watched the game in the electronics section, got home in time for the 4th quarter and the rest is history. We were easily the best team in the AFC that year, could have beat the no QB Steelers the next week, but I'm not so sure we beat that dominant Rams team, but that Pats did and they were like 14 point underdogs.

[bladefd]

I never understood that whole Tuck rule crap. It was a pump-fake and should never have been considered an incomplete pass. He wasn't trying to tuck it toward his body either to run it or anything - he was going to pass the ball after the pump-fake & that's when Woodson pushed the ball out.. The rule made no sense to me. If you straighten your arm but make no attempt to throw the ball, it is still considered an attempted pass. :facepalm

Brady got away with a fumble over nonsense. My thought was that the referees called the first nonsense they could think of, and the NFL ofc couldn't admit it was a f*ckup in their biggest game of the season. What can they do after the call has been made? I'm just surprised it took over a decade to get rid of the tuck rule. Almost like the NFL was trying to save face afterwards, waiting until everyone forgot about it before doing away with it.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Most of bradys rings don't count

Carried, cheated, BS etc

He's got maybe 2 overall.

[John_Connor]

Most of bradys rings don't count

Carried, cheated, BS etc

He's got maybe 2 overall.

sounds like someone we know. another guy with crazy longevity that seemingly improves with age somehow. but look on the bright side. if brady at 44 throwing the ball like prime aaron rodgers didn't raise any eye brows i doubt your boy will get investigated either

[SouBeachTalents]

This loss still hurts me, as a kid I remember being dragged to Walmart by my parents when this game was on, watched the game in the electronics section, got home in time for the 4th quarter and the rest is history. We were easily the best team in the AFC that year, could have beat the no QB Steelers the next week, but I'm not so sure we beat that dominant Rams team, but that Pats did and they were like 14 point underdogs.
That was a painful couple of years for the Raiders

Host the AFC Title Game and get dominated by the Ravens defense, inexplicably give up a 96 yard TD to Sharpe on 3rd & 18, then see Siragusa crush Gannon. If they had won this game, I think the Raiders would've beaten the Giants in the Super Bowl.

The Tuck Rule followed by Vinatieri's improbable 45 yard kick in a blizzard. Probably the most painful loss in franchise history, either that or the Immaculate Reception.

Make the Super Bowl and have the total misfortune of playing your former coach that you just traded, proceed to get annihilated.

[1987_Lakers]

That was a painful couple of years for the Raiders

Host the AFC Title Game and get dominated by the Ravens defense, inexplicably give up a 96 yard TD to Sharpe on 3rd & 18, then see Siragusa crush Gannon. If they had won this game, I think the Raiders would've beaten the Giants in the Super Bowl.

The Tuck Rule followed by Vinatieri's improbable 45 yard kick in a blizzard. Probably the most painful loss in franchise history, either that or the Immaculate Reception.

Make the Super Bowl and have the total misfortune of playing your former coach that you just traded, proceed to get annihilated.

Not only that, but our starting pro bowl Center Barret Robbins went on a manic episode and drove to Mexico before the game to celebrate thinking we already won. Not mention that our head coach decided to change the gameplan last minute like a moron.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uqqgX8EmoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcxj1u4OxrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpktyZ_dvsA&t

[Chick Stern]

Not only that, but our starting pro bowl Center Barret Robbins went on a manic episode and drove to Mexico before the game to celebrate thinking we already won. Not mention that our head coach decided to change the gameplan last minute like a moron.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uqqgX8EmoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcxj1u4OxrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpktyZ_dvsA&t

How many years did you play with them?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Sorry can't watch this. Too painful 20 years later.

[ThRRR3tardSatan]

Sorry can't watch this. Too painful 20 years later.

Until you find out he voted for Trump and then you don't consider him a real human being anymore, just a racist piece of crap that should die, right?

You're a scumbag.

[Wally450]

Arm was going forward. GG.

[JBSptfn]

Not only that, but our starting pro bowl Center Barret Robbins went on a manic episode and drove to Mexico before the game to celebrate thinking we already won. Not mention that our head coach decided to change the gameplan last minute like a moron.

Robbins went to Mexico because he was upset about the game plan change, not because he had an episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6KbNw-3TU

[John8204]

Most of bradys rings don't count

Carried, cheated, BS etc

He's got maybe 2 overall.

The rings count but the idea that he's the greatest QB of all-time is just absurd. He's footballs Yogi Berra top five, multi MVP's most rings ever but not the GOAT.

[John_Connor]

The rings count but the idea that he's the greatest QB of all-time is just absurd. He's footballs Yogi Berra top five, multi MVP's most rings ever but not the GOAT.

hes the greatest based on accomplishments and longevity stats

its not much different than the reason people put jordan over kobe or Kareem over wilt when it's obvious kobe is more skilled than MJ was and wilt was waaaaay more dominant than Kareem

careers and stats are what decides the goat rankings.

if it was about talent then the top 10 players all time would be

1. Kobe
2. Bird
3. Durant
4. Hakeem
5. Tmac
6. Garnett
7. Curry
8. Nash
9. Kyrie
10. Iverson

or something similar to this at least. so who cares if some other guys had more power or accuracy at times. in a vacuum at one time was there guys better than brady ever was. sure. bit that doesn't put them over a guy with 7 rings, 3 mvps, 5 superbowl mvps and every damn record lol


the best football player ever to me is Lawrence Taylor but Brady is obviously the goat QB

[SouBeachTalents]

The rings count but the idea that he's the greatest QB of all-time is just absurd. He's footballs Yogi Berra top five, multi MVP's most rings ever but not the GOAT.
Yeah bro, the guy who has by FAR the most Super Bowl titles and holds virtually every passing record being considered the GOAT is just absurd, totally fcking absurd.. It's hard to believe anyone could even reach such an absurd conclusion. Personally, I'm not even sure he's the best QB in Pats history, let alone of all time.

[John8204]

Yeah bro, the guy who has by FAR the most Super Bowl titles and holds virtually every passing record being considered the GOAT is just absurd, totally fcking absurd.. It's hard to believe anyone could even reach such an absurd conclusion. Personally, I'm not even sure he's the best QB in Pats history, let alone of all time.

9/10 passing yards
9/10 touchdowns
9/10 passer rating

All played in post 2000 NFL so any stats are asterisks to hell to me because they all came from the same generation of players. The fact that they made it a rule that you can't hit a QB near his knees to extend the longevity of players because of Tom Brady invalidates most of his accomplishments. He loses three of those rings if the refs didn't have an agenda against the Raiders.

[Wally450]

9/10 passing yards
9/10 touchdowns
9/10 passer rating

All played in post 2000 NFL so any stats are asterisks to hell to me because they all came from the same generation of players. The fact that they made it a rule that you can't hit a QB near his knees to extend the longevity of players because of Tom Brady invalidates most of his accomplishments. He loses three of those rings if the refs didn't have an agenda against the Raiders.

Or ya know, calling the rule for what it was at the time by Walt Coleman. He even doubled down saying he still agrees with the call today. Good call, terrible rule. Glad they ended up getting rid of it years later.

[John8204]

Or ya know, calling the rule for what it was at the time by Walt Coleman. He even doubled down saying he still agrees with the call today. Good call, terrible rule. Glad they ended up getting rid of it years later.

The Raiders have always dealt with shady dealings with the NFL...even this season Raiders are doing well and what do you know an Email leak that causes John Gruden to get cancelled. Did Gruden do it sure...is it very suspicious that it doesn't come out until The Raiders turn the corner and make a divisional run and nobody else gets busted.

[JBSptfn]

hes the greatest based on accomplishments and longevity stats

its not much different than the reason people put jordan over kobe or Kareem over wilt when it's obvious kobe is more skilled than MJ was and wilt was waaaaay more dominant than Kareem

careers and stats are what decides the goat rankings.

if it was about talent then the top 10 players all time would be

1. Kobe
2. Bird
3. Durant
4. Hakeem
5. Tmac
6. Garnett
7. Curry
8. Nash
9. Kyrie
10. Iverson

or something similar to this at least. so who cares if some other guys had more power or accuracy at times. in a vacuum at one time was there guys better than brady ever was. sure. bit that doesn't put them over a guy with 7 rings, 3 mvps, 5 superbowl mvps and every damn record lol


the best football player ever to me is Lawrence Taylor but Brady is obviously the goat QB

Those rings Brady has is a team accomplishment. He shouldn't be GOAT because of that.

Also, as far as the most talented player of all time is concerned, Wilt was more talented than Kobe, and all of the others on that list.

[Chick Stern]

hes the greatest based on accomplishments and longevity stats

its not much different than the reason people put jordan over kobe or Kareem over wilt when it's obvious kobe is more skilled than MJ was and wilt was waaaaay more dominant than Kareem

careers and stats are what decides the goat rankings.

if it was about talent then the top 10 players all time would be

1. Kobe
2. Bird
3. Durant
4. Hakeem
5. Tmac
6. Garnett
7. Curry
8. Nash
9. Kyrie
10. Iverson

or something similar to this at least. so who cares if some other guys had more power or accuracy at times. in a vacuum at one time was there guys better than brady ever was. sure. bit that doesn't put them over a guy with 7 rings, 3 mvps, 5 superbowl mvps and every damn record lol


the best football player ever to me is Lawrence Taylor but Brady is obviously the goat QB

No Magic? GTFO.