Lakers are losing because Lebron is scoring too much... He ain't Jordan

[3ba11]

Lebron's high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams.. Unlike zippy ball movement, ball-dominance lets defenses rest, which gives them more capacity to go off offensively - the Lakers are always facing fresh or offenses because Lebron-ball has failed to wear out defenses, aka win the battle of attrition.. The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.

The Lakers would be better if they used Lebron in the following 2 relatively non-scoring roles:

1) a point guard role where he doesn't try to score like Jason Kidd - he could average 15 ppg (maybe a little more) and just set up Monk/AD instead - all 3 guys would be elite scoring threats with AD leading the pack and Monk/Lebron following, in that order.

2) a "banger" role where he rebounds, occasionally operates as the roll man or facilitates like Oakley with a little Draymond.. Ideally, he could play a dominant version, aka "Malone" role where he's a 40k threat as the roll man and post force but it's way too late for LeDeontay to develop a LeFury game.

[John_Connor]

no his roid offense is fine. he's a stiff on defense like everyone else on the team. that and turnovers is the issue

[ImKobe]

Pretty much. He's not running the offense anywhere close to as well as he did in 2020. AD isn't getting the ball enough when he's the one in his prime and is very capable of carrying that load.

[3ba11]

no his roid offense is fine. he's a stiff on defense like everyone else on the team. that and turnovers is the issue


Lakers' offense is pure aids despite having the best offensive talent in the league, by far

Their offense is underachieving far more than their defense.

Their offense of ball-dominance doesn't apply as much pressure as it faces from zippy ball movement, so the opponent is fresher as the game progresses and therefore has more capacity to go off offensively - that's why teams always get hot on Lebron's teams - his ball-dominance creates low assist and low ball-movement teams that let defenses rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. the Lakers are always facing fresh offenses because Lebron-ball has failed to wear out defenses.

If Lebron could get his high scoring while the ball moves, that would wear out defenses so the Lakers could face worn down teams that don't require goat defense at all times... However, we know damn well that he would never become an off-ball closer so the OP strategies of lower scoring are the best options

[John_Connor]

Pretty much. He's not running the offense anywhere close to as well as he did in 2020. AD isn't getting the ball enough when he's the one in his prime and is very capable of carrying that load.

I'd rather it be this. but roid juice james has a good stat line. he could set up others more but that's westbricks fault for handling the ball and not dying in a car accident before the game and taking the ball out of his hands. lebron has a good amount of assists. the problem is lebrons nearly as bad at turning the ball over so if he passed more he would also hurt the team. he's actually good in his role as just as scorer at this stage in his career. but he needs a hoard of 3 and D guys and another dynamic scorer/playmaker that can actually shoot and play some defense. Westbrook doesn't provide that.


the Lakers are just too old, slow, lazy and careless. they're entitled bums

[John_Connor]

Lakers' offense is pure aids despite having the best offensive talent in the league, by far

Their offense is underachieving far more than their defense.

Their offense of ball-dominance doesn't apply as much pressure as it faces from zippy ball movement, so the opponent is fresher as the game progresses and therefore has more capacity to go off offensively - that's why teams always get hot on Lebron's teams - his ball-dominance creates low assist and low ball-movement teams that let defenses rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. the Lakers are always facing fresh offenses because Lebron-ball has failed to wear out defenses.

If Lebron could get his high scoring while the ball moves, that would wear out defenses so the Lakers could face worn down teams that don't require goat defense at all times... However, we know damn well that he would never become an off-ball closer so the OP strategies of lower scoring are the best options

it looks awkward but it's not why they're losing. when they won the bubble b*tch title in 2020 they did it with size and defense. they took pride in it. Davis was thinner and more agile. Dwight and Mcgee blocked shots. rondo was everywhere. Caruso and kcp gave 100%.. most of the time what separates a good team from a great team is effort on defense. this team just can't give any.

[3ba11]

I'd rather it be this. but roid juice james has a good stat line. he could set up others more but that's westbricks fault for handling the ball and not dying in a car accident before the game and taking the ball out of his hands. lebron has a good amount of assists. the problem is lebrons nearly as bad at turning the ball over so if he passed more he would also hurt the team. he's actually good in his role as just as scorer at this stage in his career. but he needs a hoard of 3 and D guys and another dynamic scorer/playmaker that can actually shoot and play some defense. Westbrook doesn't provide that.


the Lakers are just too old, slow, lazy and careless. they're entitled bums


The Mavs, Spurs, Warriors and Magic didn't need Lebron to handle the ball.. Tony Parker's 5 assists were enough to generate a greater offense than Lebron's ball-dominance could ever dream and blow his super-team away by record amount..

Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston) of AND1 fame was enough to generate an offense that blew away Lebron's homecourt advantage as a historic underdog in the 09' ECF.. Lebron simply can't win with high scoring because it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams, so he needs equal-scoring partners that can close possessions and be the off-ball closer that he can't.

Ultimately, Lebron's scoring ability is overrated because for him to score a lot, the game must slow down to this beginner brand of ball-dominance that's inferior to the sophisticated brand that the opponent uses.

The opponent's brand of ball movement and "hot hand" aggressiveness applies more pressure and wears out defenses more than Lebron's passive and plodding pursuit of open jumpers.. Ultimately, his ball-dominance lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively - the Lakers are always facing fresh offenses because Lebron-ball has failed to wear out defenses.

[John_Connor]

The Mavs, Spurs, Warriors and Magic didn't need Lebron to handle the ball.. Tony Parker's 5 assists were enough to generate a greater offense than Lebron's ball-dominance could ever dream and blow his super-team away by record amount..

Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston) of AND1 fame was enough to generate an offense that blew away Lebron's homecourt advantage as a historic underdog in the 09' ECF.. Lebron simply can't win with high scoring because it's too ball-dominant to beat good teams, so he needs equal-scoring partners that can close possessions and be the off-ball closer that he can't.

Ultimately, Lebron's scoring ability is overrated because for him to score a lot, the game must slow down to this beginner brand of ball-dominance that's inferior to the sophisticated brand that the opponent uses.

The opponent's brand of ball movement and "hot hand" aggressiveness applies more pressure and wears out defenses more than Lebron's passive and plodding pursuit of open jumpers.. Ultimately, his ball-dominance lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively - the Lakers are always facing fresh offenses because Lebron-ball has failed to wear out defenses.

scoring isn't the Lakers problem. lebron is too old to run a team like past years. he can barely stand up on defense with Westbrook handling the ball half the time. lebrons scoring is about the only positive he contributes. the best thing for rhe Lakers is to blow it up. as great as lebron looks scoring he's too much of a liability on the other end. him and Westbrook should be traded for a package of picks and athletic 3 and D guys. then tank for a year or 2 and get some good young players to come up with AD as their leader till they can find another dynamic 2 way superstar.

there's literally nothing this team can do right now to save themselves going forward with their advanced age

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron faces max defensive attention tonight.

[3ba11]

scoring isn't the Lakers problem. lebron is too old to run a team like past years. he can barely stand up on defense with Westbrook handling the ball half the time. lebrons scoring is about the only positive he contributes. the best thing for rhe Lakers is to blow it up. as great as lebron looks scoring he's too much of a liability on the other end. him and Westbrook should be traded for a package of picks and athletic 3 and D guys. then tank for a year or 2 and get some good young players to come up with AD as their leader till they can find another dynamic 2 way superstar.

there's literally nothing this team can do right now to save themselves going forward with their advanced age


The Lakers have the #16 defense this year but only the #23 offense..

So their offense is a bigger problem and a far bigger underachievement.

Furthermore, the best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.. You have to wear the opponent down - that's part of all competition, physically and mentally.

Unfortunately, the historical record shows opponents have gotten hot against Lebron's teams for his entire career - the story is always that the opponent "just got hot".. Opponents are simply fresher offensively from resting on defense against Lebron's ball-dominance..

[John_Connor]

The Lakers have the #16 defense this year but only the #23 offense..

So their offense is a bigger problem and a far bigger underachievement.

Furthermore, the best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition.. You have to wear the opponent down - that's part of all competition, physically and mentally.

Unfortunately, the historical record shows opponents have gotten hot against Lebron's teams for his entire career - the story is always that the opponent "just got hot".. Opponents are simply fresher offensively from resting on defense against Lebron's ball-dominance..

maybe they suck on both ends. but when theyre clicking they seem alright on offense. they never show anything on defense. can't just go based on analytics

I think injuries and westbrook alone are more to do with their offensive struggles.

when he goes out the Lakers play way better

[3ba11]

maybe they suck on both ends. but when theyre clicking they seem alright on offense. they never show anything on defense. can't just go based on analytics

I think injuries and westbrook alone are more to do with their offensive struggles.

when he goes out the Lakers play way better


Malik Monk is averaging 17 on 49% (44% from three) since his return from injury on 12/25/21, and he was averaging 22 on 56% before Vogel reduced his minutes again in mid-January.

The super-high efficiency means that Monk can handle a bigger load and the Lakers should be looking to make sure he gets 20+ every night.. His scoring will make the ball move more an work defenses better so they have less capacity for offense..

Ultimately, the objective is for the Lakers to stop facing these super-fresh offenses that go off on them by wearing down the opponent with better team offense than the Lakers have shown so far (near last offensively).