How Much Do You Value Longevity In Relation To A Player's Standing In The GOAT Lists?

[Round Mound]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

[Lebron23]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

Lebron James is averaging 29 ppg at 37. Barkley retired at 37 after he had a devastating knee injury

[Spurs m8]

Longevity barely moves the needle...especially if you're talking about stats..especially when padded and in a league of inflated stats

[SATAN]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

It's very likely LeBron, Kareem and Malone (didn't know he had fans tbh) fans also value peak play. :biggums:

I've never seen it the same way so many seem to. The rings thing and disregarding the players team and circumstances is probably the dumbest part of it all. Or being outright deceptive like 3ball tries to. The goat argument is just ****ing retarded at this point. It's completely fine to just disagree about someone's favorite player or who they think is best and leave it at that. It's actually embarrassing seeing the way so called basketball fans act sometimes. From personal experience beyond internet trolls, the people I've known to get so heated about the goat argument are ****ING CASUALS that never played, never really watched much basketball at all outside of the 90s. You can't make this shit up. That's how stupid it all is. I listen to them and don't even respond anymore. Most MJ stans are ****ing stupid pricks. The kind of people who just talk and talk and talk but say nothing at all important. A constant stream of immature garbage acting like know it alls but never realizing how absolutely clueless about the world they are.

Absolute clowns. Like the poster above me.

[Round Mound]

In my case i prefer what player was better which goes beyond stats and results. It's how much impact a player has in game. How scary a player is while causing havoc in all areas of the game and in clutch situations aswell. Players with better healthy will have better looking cumulative stats ofcourse. Malone cumulative stats look better than Barkley's but if i had to choose a player to go to war in one game or a single finals series etc i would pick healthy in shape peak Barkley in a heart beat. Malone not only lasted longer his scoring was easier because of Stockton. Barkley was a lazy player at times but when pissed off no other PF had more 30 points and 20 rebounds games like he did. Hakeem had more impact that any player but MJ in the mid 80s aswell. And Barkley from 89-90 to 92-93 was the 2nd best player in the game relative to both offensive and DEFENSIVE help in ones team.

[SpaceJam]

Both

[TheGoatest]

If a player has the greatest season of all time:

1 vote shy of unanimous MVP
2nd in DPOY voting
All-NBA 1st and All-Defensive 1st team
Finals MVP
Championship

And on top of this he has the GOAT longevity, then he is indisputably the GOAT. Hands down.
But this aside, longevity is generally favored over peak/prime, although some combination of both is always taken into account.

[jalbert009]

Longetivity and peak is both important and compliment each other. I think for GOAT criteria a decade of dominance is like the minimum which could easily be justified by x10 All NBA Team selections or/and x10 all star appearances and after that its just bonus points. This GOAT criteria is what seperates your Bill Waltons, Willis Reed and Bob McAdoos who are all MVPs, NBA Champions, All NBA team , All stars etc but their peaks just wasnt long enough to elevate their claim to Top 10 GOAT status.

[Full Court]

Longevity is A factor....but certainly not one of the top three most important ones, and really only comes into play when all else is equal.

[RogueBorg]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

Longevity is important but it can hurt Lebron in certain comparisons. Lebron is now in year 19 and has only been 1st-Team All-Defensive Team 5x, that's a huge knock compared to Jordan's 9 in 15 or even Kobe's 12 in 20. 4 MVP's in 19 years is looking worse compared to 5 in 15. When that becomes 4 in 20, 4 in 21, or 4 in 22 it's gonna look even worse. And now that Lebron is getting older his team's are struggling to make the playoffs. An argument against Jordan was the 2 years he missed the playoffs with Washington, which is a fair argument, it's on his resume. But now that Lebron is getting older he's going to start suffering from some of the same old age blemishes. Lebron is running the risk of missing the playoffs now 4x in his career, and it's not going to get better as he gets older.

Regardless, Lebron passed Jordan years ago in total points, assists, and rebounds and yet the consensus is, by most, that Jordan's the GOAT. Kareem's the all-time leading scorer right now. He has more total points, total rebounds, total assists, and total blocks over Jordan, yet Jordan is still considered the GOAT over Kareem by a large majority. Leborn passing Kareem doesn't change a thing, his Stans know it and it drives them bananas.

[expansionera]

Being the greatest and winning rings in multiple eras is a great look for GOAT status

[RogueBorg]

Being the greatest and winning rings in multiple eras is a great look for GOAT status

Losing rings in multiple eras is not a great look.

[expansionera]

Losing rings in multiple eras is not a great look.

Losing and winning in the Finals across multiple eras is superior to never making the Finals at all outside of a specific weaker era.

[8Ball]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

LeBron had a higher peak play than Bird / Hakeem / Barkley.


2012 LeBron was as good as any Bird / Hakeem peak year and higher than any Barkley year.

[FKAri]

It answers questions regarding versatility and consistency but nothing beyond that.

[Bronbron23]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

It isn't as important as peak but it is important. I don't think you cab be goat without good longevity.

[FKAri]

It isn't as important as peak but it is important. I don't think you cab be goat without good longevity.

I think longevity is overrated by basketball fans.

[fsvr54]

I don't value it at all. I just value skills, not even chips

[Spurs m8]

Longevity is important but it can hurt Lebron in certain comparisons. Lebron is now in year 19 and has only been 1st-Team All-Defensive Team 5x, that's a huge knock compared to Jordan's 9 in 15 or even Kobe's 12 in 20. 4 MVP's in 19 years is looking worse compared to 5 in 15. When that becomes 4 in 20, 4 in 21, or 4 in 22 it's gonna look even worse. And now that Lebron is getting older his team's are struggling to make the playoffs. An argument against Jordan was the 2 years he missed the playoffs with Washington, which is a fair argument, it's on his resume. But now that Lebron is getting older he's going to start suffering from some of the same old age blemishes. Lebron is running the risk of missing the playoffs now 4x in his career, and it's not going to get better as he gets older.

Regardless, Lebron passed Jordan years ago in total points, assists, and rebounds and yet the consensus is, by most, that Jordan's the GOAT. Kareem's the all-time leading scorer right now. He has more total points, total rebounds, total assists, and total blocks over Jordan, yet Jordan is still considered the GOAT over Kareem by a large majority. Leborn passing Kareem doesn't change a thing, his Stans know it and it drives them bananas.

Great Post

[sdot_thadon]

I value it significantly for me personally. I value peak play more but not by so big of a margin that one trumps the other. Also when you say longevity it depends on what type we're talking. Is it the type where a guy hangs around long past his expiration date and has become a whatnot at the end of a bench? Is it the type where a guy is still an impact player on a contender or even a champion? Or was he a Lebron who is still mvp caliber at an age and mileage we've never seen before? That matters.

That said, I hate simplistic rangz type standards when there are sooo many different considerations to bring to a goat discussion....

[Bronbron23]

I think longevity is overrated by basketball fans.

By some yeah but it is a factor

[Cyrus334]

If longevity mattered as much as Lebron fans claim it does, you'd have to completely re-evaluate the rankings of all time greats. Guys like Bird, Magic, and even Jordan would have to be pulled down in favor of guys like Lebron, Kareem, Duncan, and Kobe. Evaluating peak's is always the better measurement of greatness because we want to know who was better at their best, not who lasted longer. The human body can betray anyone at anytime, some players are blessed with long careers due to avoiding serious injuries while others are cut short.

I'm not saying longevity doesn't matter, I just don't put anywhere near as much stock in it as I do peak. The rings thing is stupid though in a team sport.

[jayfan]

LeBron had a higher peak play than Bird / Hakeem / Barkley.


2012 LeBron was as good as any Bird / Hakeem peak year and higher than any Barkley year.


No.


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[BigKobeFan]

No one in this world would put Leonardo di caprio as the GOAT actor, who has acted for over 30 years, over someone like John Cazale who's only acted for about 10

[sdot_thadon]

If longevity mattered as much as Lebron fans claim it does, you'd have to completely re-evaluate the rankings of all time greats. Guys like Bird, Magic, and even Jordan would have to be pulled down in favor of guys like Lebron, Kareem, Duncan, and Kobe. Evaluating peak's is always the better measurement of greatness because we want to know who was better at their best, not who lasted longer. The human body can betray anyone at anytime, some players are blessed with long careers due to avoiding serious injuries while others are cut short.

I'm not saying longevity doesn't matter, I just don't put anywhere near as much stock in it as I do peak. The rings thing is stupid though in a team sport.

And I think the right question is, why don't they all matter? All of them inform or are indicative of ones quality or greatness. Trying to assign value or take value away from something serves what purpose?

[Spurs m8]

I can't believe we even have to have these convos lmfao

We never did in the past...why is it LeBarry needs all sorts of tweaking and manufacturing to get him somewhere sort of near the top?lmfao

[getting_old]

Depends...

Magic and Bird and McHale fell apart quickly, lost a lot of prime and tailing-off seasons...


Won't hold it against them.

[SouBeachTalents]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc
You say this like LeBron & Kareem didn't have 2 of the 5 or so greatest peaks ever in addition to GOAT longevity. And they undoubtedly both had better peaks than Barkley did.

[8Ball]

Longevity is important but it can hurt Lebron in certain comparisons. Lebron is now in year 19 and has only been 1st-Team All-Defensive Team 5x, that's a huge knock compared to Jordan's 9 in 15 or even Kobe's 12 in 20. 4 MVP's in 19 years is looking worse compared to 5 in 15. When that becomes 4 in 20, 4 in 21, or 4 in 22 it's gonna look even worse. And now that Lebron is getting older his team's are struggling to make the playoffs. An argument against Jordan was the 2 years he missed the playoffs with Washington, which is a fair argument, it's on his resume. But now that Lebron is getting older he's going to start suffering from some of the same old age blemishes. Lebron is running the risk of missing the playoffs now 4x in his career, and it's not going to get better as he gets older.

Regardless, Lebron passed Jordan years ago in total points, assists, and rebounds and yet the consensus is, by most, that Jordan's the GOAT. Kareem's the all-time leading scorer right now. He has more total points, total rebounds, total assists, and total blocks over Jordan, yet Jordan is still considered the GOAT over Kareem by a large majority. Leborn passing Kareem doesn't change a thing, his Stans know it and it drives them bananas.

19 seasons and LeBron has:

13× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2018, 2020)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007, 2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2019)

17 All-NBA teams out of 19. Soon to be 18 out of 19.

More than Jordan.

[RogueBorg]

19 seasons and LeBron has:

13× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2018, 2020)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007, 2021)
All-NBA Third Team (2019)

17 All-NBA teams out of 19. Soon to be 18 out of 19.

More than Jordan.

Zero MVP's or All-Defensive teams in his 30's...his prime years. Why is that? And why has he only made 5 1st-Team All-Defensive teams in 19 years?

[Thenameless]

Peak and prime level is more important to me than longevity. That's why Wilt Chamberlain is at the top. The guy owns all of the top season records by a country mile.

[8Ball]

Zero MVP's or All-Defensive teams in his 30's...his prime years. Why is that? And why has he only made 5 1st-Team All-Defensive teams in 19 years?

All defensive teams are simply not rated as highly. So you are comparing a 100$ bill to a 10$ bill.

A top 15 player = All nba team.

A 1st team all defensive might not even be a top 30 NBA player. Like Patrick Beverly when he won it.


Therefore, more all-nba teams = a lot more impressive.

[theman93]

It definitely matters, but I don't value it that highly.

In all honesty what did it really do for guys like Miller, Stockton, Malone, etc to play for a few more years? Nobody would have regarded them any differently if they retired a few years earlier. It's just stat padding at the end of the day.

For example Westbrook is 33rd all time in points scored. If he has the longevity to break top 20 it doesn't move the needle at all for how he will be viewed.

[LeCola]

Good argument for being top 10 or 20 player.

However it is very weak argument for being GOAT.

[NBAGOAT]

i think it matters more than others but it has to be decently high level. At the end of the day a GOAT list should be based on how much you contributed to your teams. A guy who has 10 all-nba level years is giving his teams more chances to win than a guy with 5 all-nba level years. Role player years at the end of someones career dont mean anything however

[Cyrus334]

And I think the right question is, why don't they all matter? All of them inform or are indicative of ones quality or greatness. Trying to assign value or take value away from something serves what purpose?

They all do matter, I just said longevity doesn't matter as much to me because that's far less inductive of a player's individual skill as it is their ability to stay healthy and avoid injury.

[8Ball]

Longevity doesn't matter to Jordan stans because Jordan doesn't have longevity when it comes to LeBron.

That's the bottom line.

[sdot_thadon]

They all do matter, I just said longevity doesn't matter as much to me because that's far less inductive of a player's individual skill as it is their ability to stay healthy and avoid injury.

I think it matters depending on the level it reached. This thread is obviously a shoot on legacy, in terms of lebron. His longevity is unprecedented and lapping all the other greats in this sense. So when someone is this far ahead of the field, it should be a big deal.

[TheCorporation]

You value peak? GREAT.

LeBron has the GREATEST 5-year peak in NBA history.

2012 to 2016

-5 straight Finals
-5 MVPs (2x MVP, 3x FMVP)
-3 Goat Chips (2012 Thunder, 2013 Spurs, 2016 Warriors)

Find me better :pimp:

[ClipperRevival]

No one has Pete Rose as the GOAT. And no sane football fan has Emmitt Smith as a top 5 RB. But they are #1 due to longevity.

Longevity is obviously nice but it all comes down to how good you were at your peak/prime.

Like being a .300 hitter for 20 yrs or .350 hitter for 15? Or 1,000 yd rusher for 20 yrs or 1,500 for 15? The answer is obvious.

Now if we are talking legit GOAT tier talk, longevity can be used as a factor. But never over peak/prime.

[ClipperRevival]

If longevity mattered as much as Lebron fans claim it does, you'd have to completely re-evaluate the rankings of all time greats. Guys like Bird, Magic, and even Jordan would have to be pulled down in favor of guys like Lebron, Kareem, Duncan, and Kobe. Evaluating peak's is always the better measurement of greatness because we want to know who was better at their best, not who lasted longer.The human body can betray anyone at anytime, some players are blessed with long careers due to avoiding serious injuries while others are cut short.

I'm not saying longevity doesn't matter, I just don't put anywhere near as much stock in it as I do peak. The rings thing is stupid though in a team sport.

Great point.

Sometimes longevity is just a matter of luck, circumstances, genetics, etc. That's why it's down the list for me too.

[TheCorporation]

You value peak? GREAT.

LeBron has the GREATEST 5-year peak in NBA history.

2012 to 2016

-5 straight Finals
-5 MVPs (2x MVP, 3x FMVP)
-3 Goat Chips (2012 Thunder, 2013 Spurs, 2016 Warriors)

Find me better

Let me know fellas :pimp:

[John8204]

It really depends less on how long you played and more what did with those years. John Stockton, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, and Dirk Nowitzki not just because they had long careers but because they were productive. On the other hand, Dwayne Wade, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas had they had a productive 15 year career I would rank them higher but injuries and team changes hurts their legacies a bit.

[Cyrus334]

Longevity doesn't matter to Jordan stans because Jordan doesn't have longevity when it comes to LeBron.

That's the bottom line.

You can easily reverse that by saying Lebron fans only care about stats because Lebron doesn't have the championships or individual awards when it comes to Jordan.

[Cyrus334]

I think it matters depending on the level it reached. This thread is obviously a shoot on legacy, in terms of lebron. His longevity is unprecedented and lapping all the other greats in this sense. So when someone is this far ahead of the field, it should be a big deal.

That's fair. Lebron's longevity is so out of this world that it definitely helps him in his case. In fact, that's his biggest case against Jordan honestly.

[Westbrook_Fan]

LeBron got a better peak playoff PER than MJ as well as better peak scorer (2018 playoffs)

So LeBron had the better peak, and WAY better longevity

[TheGoatest]

LeBron got a better peak playoff PER than MJ as well as better peak scorer (2018 playoffs)

So LeBron had the better peak, and WAY better longevity

Really hilarious to see these LeBron haters struggling to make LeBron look like a all-longevity player, when he has:

The best regular season ever (2012-13)
The best finals ever (2016)
The best playoff run ever that lasted more than 1 round (2009)
The best playoff run ever that lasted into the finals (2018)

LeBron got them thinking they are living in some parallel universe where all of this didn't happen. :oldlol:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Really hilarious to see these LeBron haters struggling to make LeBron look like a all-longevity player, when he has:

The best regular season ever (2012-13)
The best finals ever (2016)
The best playoff run ever that lasted more than 1 round (2009)
The best playoff run ever that lasted into the finals (2018)

LeBron got them thinking they are living in some parallel universe where all of this didn't happen. :oldlol:

You must be simple. 2013? Better than the 72-10 96 Bulls? No.
2016 - the finals that Kyrie hit the winner? With the suspension, Bogut out, etc. No.
2009? #1 seed getting crushed by Dwight Howard in the ECF? That's the best playoff run? No.
2018? Took 7 games to get through non-Leonard Raptors and lowly Indiana with Kevin Love basically winning you game 7 when LeGED went to the locker room? Then swept / "broken hand" excuse? LOL. No.

Try 1996 on for size with Mr. Jordan.
Scoring Champ
League MVP
Finals MVP
72-10 season (overall 87-13 for the entire year, the highest single season winning record by far)
Only team to win 70+ games and the chip in the history of the NBA.
All-Star MVP
All-NBA First team
All-Defensive First Team

[WhiteKyrie]

It’s valuable. Peak of your athletic performance is definitely more important. So to your question but not question subtext. Yes, Jordan > LeBron still. Also, Chuck > Karl Malone.

[nineiron]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

same here. who cares about longevity. i want to see greatness.

[WhiteKyrie]

same here. who cares about longevity. i want to see greatness.

Facts. I want peaks. More memorable.

[Roundball_Rock]

A lot. I factor in peak and prime play but longevity matters too. If you can get 20 years, nearly all quality years, of LeBron or Kareem that is incomparable to what you can get from their GOAT comp.

[Charlie Sheen]

I definitely weight longevity greater

Never been good at dealing with change :(

[TheCorporation]

Best 5 year peak too...

2012-2016
5x Finals
5x MVP (2xMVP, 3xMVP)
3x GOAT rings ('12 OKC, '13 SAS, '16 GSW)

Unmatchable peak

[TheCorporation]

Really hilarious to see these LeBron haters struggling to make LeBron look like a all-longevity player, when he has:

The best regular season ever (2012-13)
The best finals ever (2016)
The best playoff run ever that lasted more than 1 round (2009)
The best playoff run ever that lasted into the finals (2018)

LeBron got them thinking they are living in some parallel universe where all of this didn't happen. :oldlol:

+1

LeBron got these bois changing history :lol

[sdot_thadon]

same here. who cares about longevity. i want to see greatness.

Did you ever consider that Lebron's longevity Is in fact greatness? 2 Super stupid misconceptions going on here. That this is just run of the mill longevity and that Lebron isn't already an all-time great scorer even before these marks.

[8Ball]

same here. who cares about longevity. i want to see greatness.

Longevity is part of the definition of greatness:


of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.

Longevity definitely applies a lot here.

[La Frescobaldi]

No one in this world would put Leonardo di caprio as the GOAT actor, who has acted for over 30 years, over someone like John Cazale who's only acted for about 10

Cazale carried a grand total of one scene in his career, the one when he gets caught being a traitor to the family by his brother Al Pacino. He was a fine actor but he couldn’t fill a screen, disappears when out of doors without background framing, had a weak voice, and definitely couldn’t have carried the lead role in any “A” quality movie since at least 1935.

Di Caprio has been a platinum grade box office draw for 25 years and commands every scene he is in regardless of how great the actors are in the shot. He holds the screen even with gigantic presences like Russell Crowe, Jack Nicholson, or Kate Winslet on the set, and completely inhabits lead roles. His scenes with Ray Winstone in The Departed are a masterpiece of acting against one of the gigantic screen presences of film history.
Cazale disappears onscreen across from midget Pacino.

He’s vastly more talented than Cazale in screen presence, dynamism in either motion or stillness, physicality, expressiveness, range of emotion, intellect, line reading, vocal quality and timbre - in short, every single facet of acting.
He’s on a very, very short list of the greatest actors in film.

[2much_knowledge]

SIMPLE. Its important but rings as the man or option 1b , peak, accolades, stats both totals and averages, level of competition and eye test are equally important. Clutch to

BUT **** one common mistake i see all the time here. Read this loud and clear

YOU DO NOT PENALIZE A PLAYER FOR GETTING INJURED!!

Thats why people like magic, bird , jordan and Kobe have GREAT longetivity too

They never lost their level of play when healthy, never.

All 4 of them had many many years of elite level of play if they stayed healthy. Even the haters cant deny that.

Staying healthy its not a basketball skill

[Johnny32]

SIMPLE. Its important but rings as the man or option 1b , peak, accolades, stats both totals and averages, level of competition and eye test are equally important. Clutch to

BUT **** one common mistake i see all the time here. Read this loud and clear

YOU DO NOT PENALIZE A PLAYER FOR GETTING INJURED!!

Thats why people like magic, bird , jordan and Kobe have GREAT longetivity too

They never lost their level of play when healthy, never.

All 4 of them had many many years of elite level of play if they stayed healthy. Even the haters cant deny that.

Staying healthy its not a basketball skill

lmao tard.

[TheGoatest]

You must be simple. 2013? Better than the 72-10 96 Bulls? No.
2016 - the finals that Kyrie hit the winner? With the suspension, Bogut out, etc. No.
2009? #1 seed getting crushed by Dwight Howard in the ECF? That's the best playoff run? No.
2018? Took 7 games to get through non-Leonard Raptors and lowly Indiana with Kevin Love basically winning you game 7 when LeGED went to the locker room? Then swept / "broken hand" excuse? LOL. No.

Try 1996 on for size with Mr. Jordan.
Scoring Champ
League MVP
Finals MVP
72-10 season (overall 87-13 for the entire year, the highest single season winning record by far)
Only team to win 70+ games and the chip in the history of the NBA.
All-Star MVP
All-NBA First team
All-Defensive First Team

I am not sure if I'm reading this correctly due to having tears in my eyes from laughing. But did this dude just say that Michael "Outplayed by Shawn Kemp and locked down by Gary Payton in the finals" Jordan from 1995-96 had a better season than the greatest season ever (2012-13 LeBron James). :oldlol:

6th in DPOY ranking, which was 4 spots behind a TEAMMATE of his, The Great Scott Pippen. And even if we remove the asterisk and counted the shortened 3 point line from that season as legit, his stats still aren't as good as LeBron's 2012-13 ones.

Man, screw them Chappelle's Show reruns, this forum keeps on delivering the true laughs. :roll:

[2much_knowledge]

lmao tard.

What you dont agree with ?

[TheCorporation]

LBJ has the best 5 year peak too...

2012-2016
5x Finals
5x MVP (2xMVP, 3xMVP)
3x GOAT rings ('12 OKC, '13 SAS, '16 GSW)

Unmatchable peak. Guys?

[Axe]

Playing with multiple players, all-star or not, definitely helps on this factor. Even moreso with different teams.

[Johnny32]

I guess fans of Lebron, Kareem, Karl Malone definitely value their longevity as players.

Me I value Peak Play like that of players like Bird, Hakeem and Barkley etc

lebron's peak rivals anyone in nba history and his only peer in longevity is kareem. that's why he's the goat.

[8Ball]

LBJ has the best 5 year peak too...

2012-2016
5x Finals
5x MVP (2xMVP, 3xMVP)
3x GOAT rings ('12 OKC, '13 SAS, '16 GSW)

Unmatchable peak. Guys?

4 mvp out of 5 NBA seasons is a GOAT peak.

[Full Court]

4 mvp out of 5 NBA seasons is a GOAT peak.

Funny how he was incapable of three-peating. That right there makes him not even close to a GOAT peak.

Two out of five of those seasons ended in ABJECT FAILURE. That's right folks. FAILURE. And that was his peak you say?? :roll:

[John8204]

Funny how he was incapable of three-peating. That right there makes him not even close to a GOAT peak.

Two out of five of those seasons ended in ABJECT FAILURE. That's right folks. FAILURE. And that was his peak you say?? :roll:

So I guess four-peating George Mikan (47-50) with no Pippen no Wade no Rodman no Bosh no top 75 players is in fact the GOAT

Mikan > Jordan > James

[Full Court]

So I guess four-peating George Mikan (47-50) with no Pippen no Wade no Rodman no Bosh no top 75 players is in fact the GOAT

Mikan > Jordan > James

I personally don't have Mikan ranked #1, but a case could certainly be made for it.

I have Russell ranked higher than Mikan though. Russell's top 3 in my book.

[TheCorporation]

4 mvp out of 5 NBA seasons is a GOAT peak.
+1
Nobody has ever done 5 MVPs and 5 Finals in 5 straight years.

Only LeGoat from 2012-2016

[mr4speed]

LBJ has the best 5 year peak too...

2012-2016
5x Finals
5x MVP (2xMVP, 3xMVP)
3x GOAT rings ('12 OKC, '13 SAS, '16 GSW)

Unmatchable peak. Guys?

What about Bill Russell from 1961 - 1965 for five years?
Russell went to 5 finals and won all 5 rings!!
Russell was MVP in 61, 62, 63, and 65 = 4 MVP's
The FMVP did not exist but even IF only 2 times FMVP would be = 6 total ( as per above example could be as high as 8)

[Full Court]

What about Bill Russell from 1961 - 1965 for five years?
Russell went to 5 finals and won all 5 rings!!
Russell was MVP in 61, 62, 63, and 65 = 4 MVP's
The FMVP did not exist but even IF only 2 times FMVP would be = 6 total ( as per above example could be as high as 8)

Exactly. Constipation is a notorious feeble-brained nutthugger.

[La Frescobaldi]

Exactly. Constipation is a notorious feeble-brained nutthugger.

Well said.

[Manny98]

I value peak over longevity but longevity still plays a factor in my rankings

[Manny98]

LBJ has the best 5 year peak too...

2012-2016
5x Finals
5x MVP (2xMVP, 3xMVP)
3x GOAT rings ('12 OKC, '13 SAS, '16 GSW)

Unmatchable peak. Guys?
LeBron certainly has a top 2 peak, I give 89-93 Jordan a slight edge

[Axe]

Guys, remember when somebody said in an old thread like last year or so that lebron is just a honda civic to jordan's lamborghini? Even if others think that may be accurate or true, at least the pedestrian civic is still more likely to outlive an exotic lambo and be better in terms of reliability during their respective live spans.

Like what kong is specifically doing rn in his 19th season even if he has never three-peated. At least he didn't have to lay low at all. Outside of injuries, only the lockout and lockdown seasons saw him not playing for some significant time.

Btw, my family just got a preserved 10th gen honda civic not more than a month ago and we're loving it to bits.