Jordan vs Lebron in FINALS

[Full Court]

Let's see how they match up.

Jordan's record: 24-11
Brony's record: 22-33

Wow. It's not even CLOSE! :roll:

And Jordan only had Pippen. Brony had Wade, Bosch, AD, Kyrie, Love, etc.

But let's not just focus on team accomplishments and also see how they did individually.

+/- Now personally, I don't put much stock into +/-, but the Brony Bunch are always touting it when it suits their narrative, so as far as I'm concerned it's fair game.

Jordan: +45
Brony: -86

Yep, you read it right folks. Jordan is +131 over Brony.

EMBARRASSING! Embarrassing like a third trimester pregnant exotic dancer.

Hmmm, how about points per game?

Jordan: 33.6
Brony: 28.4

Steals per game?

Jordan: 1.8
Brony: 1.7

Blocks per game?

Jordan: .7
Brony: .8

Brony has a slight edge there.

But there's something that Brony blows Jordan out of the water in! Turnovers per game.

Jordan: 2.8
Brony: 3.9

Oh, but get this, Bronies. You're going to LOVE this one!!!! Wait for itttttt....

3-point shooting percentage.

Jordan: 36.8
Brony: 35.2

The Brony bunch always tries to push a narrative that Jordan couldn't shoot threes, but when it counts, turns out Jordan is better than their hero. :roll:

Lebron beats Jordan in rebounds.

And there you have it. It's really not even close.

And I'll post the source for my numbers, since people like TheConstipation like to fabricate their own "facts."

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/michael-jordan-finals-record

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-james-finals-record

[8Ball]

All time great teams defeated in finals:


Bron: 3 (includes a 73 win team)

Jordan: 0

[Spurs m8]

Ho.leeeee fvck.

Jesus christ

This is 3ball level of ether.

Great work, OP....no mental gymnastics or lack of context here....just cold.hard.facts.

As we knew, there was never a debate....the debate was manufactured.

[Full Court]

Ho.leeeee fvck.

Jesus christ

This is 3ball level of ether.

Great work, OP....no mental gymnastics or lack of context here....just cold.hard.facts.

As we knew, there was never a debate....the debate was manufactured.

:confusedshrug:

4/10
-86
2011
Epic choke jobs.

[theman93]

You forgot 6 Finals wins > 6 Finals losses

:lol:cheers:

[Full Court]

You forgot 6 Finals wins > 6 Finals losses

:lol:cheers:

:roll:

Truth! :cheers:

[HylianNightmare]

I love mj but he had quite a few all star teammates as wel...

[Full Court]

I love mj but he had quite a few all star teammates as wel...

Yes, the 90s Bulls were a stacked team. No team has ever won a championship without being stacked with talent. However. Lebron's Heat were far more stacked than any team Jordan ever had.

Not 5, not 6, not 7......

Some people just tend to underperform.

[1987_Lakers]

Yes, the 90s Bulls were a stacked team. No team has ever won a championship without being stacked with talent. However. Lebron's Heat were far more stacked than any team Jordan ever had.

Not 5, not 6, not 7......

Some people just tend to underperform.

They were also going up against Durant/Harden/Westbrook and the dynasty Spurs.

Who exactly did MJ beat? :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Just imagine a young MJ with a trash cast going up against the '07 Spurs

Or prime MJ with a trash cast going up against '18 Warriors with KD, Curry, Klay, & Draymond.

I suspect it would not end well for him. I mean, he does have an 0-6 record vs Larry Bird & stacked Boston team

Are we all of a sudden gonna use that series against MJ while completely ignoring the context behind it?

[Full Court]

They were also going up against Durant/Harden/Westbrook and the dynasty Spurs.

Who exactly did MJ beat? :oldlol:

Magic...a top 5 of all time. Better than anyone Brony ever beat.

Malone. Twice.

Barkley.

Drexler, Kemp, Payton.

Funny how you guys clown Westbrook on a daily basis, but now you bring him up as an example of Brony's tough competition. Hmmmmmmmm.

[1987_Lakers]

Magic...a top 5 of all time. Better than anyone Brony ever beat.

Malone. Twice.

Barkley.

Drexler, Kemp, Payton.

Funny how you guys clown Westbrook on a daily basis, but now you bring him up as an example of Brony's tough competition. Hmmmmmmmm.

You mean Magic who played on a Lakers team without Kareem, Pat Riley, & Cooper? LOL. Some huge juggernaut there.

An aging Karl Malone who always choked and a past prime Stockton who struggled to score double digits by '98?

A Suns team who didn't play defense?

Payton and Kemp? Lol, didn't they lose in the 1st round as a #1 seed like 2 years before they played the Bulls?

:oldlol:

[theman93]

You mean Magic who played on a Lakers team without Kareem, Pat Riley, & Cooper? LOL. Some huge juggernaut there.

An aging Karl Malone who always choked and a past prime Stockton who struggled to score double digits by '98?

A Suns team who didn't play defense?

Payton and Kemp? Lol, didn't they lose in the 1st round as a #1 seed like 2 years before they played the Bulls?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NoEarOH57fc/TfarAAlhjHI/AAAAAAAAALo/ZXG4XhcOEAs/s1600/bcZSS.SlMa.81.jpg

[Spurs m8]

1987 lakers is still such a little b1tch

One of the most ignored posters

[ClipperRevival]

Let's see how they match up.

Jordan's record: 24-11
Brony's record: 22-33

Wow. It's not even CLOSE! :roll:

And Jordan only had Pippen. Brony had Wade, Bosch, AD, Kyrie, Love, etc.

But let's not just focus on team accomplishments and also see how they did individually.

+/- Now personally, I don't put much stock into +/-, but the Brony Bunch are always touting it when it suits their narrative, so as far as I'm concerned it's fair game.

Jordan: +45
Brony: -86

Yep, you read it right folks. Jordan is +131 over Brony.

EMBARRASSING! Embarrassing like a third trimester pregnant exotic dancer.

Hmmm, how about points per game?

Jordan: 33.6
Brony: 28.4

Steals per game?

Jordan: 1.8
Brony: 1.7

Blocks per game?

Jordan: .7
Brony: .8

Brony has a slight edge there.

But there's something that Brony blows Jordan out of the water in! Turnovers per game.

Jordan: 2.8
Brony: 3.9

Oh, but get this, Bronies. You're going to LOVE this one!!!! Wait for itttttt....

3-point shooting percentage.

Jordan: 36.8
Brony: 35.2

The Brony bunch always tries to push a narrative that Jordan couldn't shoot threes, but when it counts, turns out Jordan is better than their hero. :roll:

Lebron beats Jordan in rebounds.

And there you have it. It's really not even close.

And I'll post the source for my numbers, since people like TheConstipation like to fabricate their own "facts."

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/michael-jordan-finals-record

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-james-finals-record

https://c.tenor.com/bYSgyS3JMs0AAAAC/finish-him-fatality.gif

[GrayGoat]

Imagine if Bron’s best finals was against the trash brothers raptors

[1987_Lakers]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NoEarOH57fc/TfarAAlhjHI/AAAAAAAAALo/ZXG4XhcOEAs/s1600/bcZSS.SlMa.81.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w

[1987_Lakers]

1987 lakers is still such a little b1tch

One of the most ignored posters

All you do here is just bitch about LeBron and his stans without providing any insightful arguments. You are by far one of the most useless posters on here.

[ClipperRevival]

https://c.tenor.com/qOHG_1c9hH4AAAAM/stare-jason-terry.gif

[theman93]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w

https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/06/17/BostonGlobe.com/Sports/Images/04803803.jpg

[1987_Lakers]

https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/06/17/BostonGlobe.com/Sports/Images/04803803.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zd62MxKXp8

[E_Stamkos]

OP forgot to mention the most glaring disparity between the 2.

Mike was not only carrying the weight of his team but also his turgid meat pipe, whereas LeShrivel isn't packing much force down below.

It is what it is boys.

[8Ball]

You mean Magic who played on a Lakers team without Kareem, Pat Riley, & Cooper? LOL. Some huge juggernaut there.

An aging Karl Malone who always choked and a past prime Stockton who struggled to score double digits by '98?

A Suns team who didn't play defense?

Payton and Kemp? Lol, didn't they lose in the 1st round as a #1 seed like 2 years before they played the Bulls?

:oldlol:

Yup.

When you beat up on bums in the finals there isn't much to talk about or to be impressed about.

I don't see 1 juggernaut team in the finals. Nothing on the level of 2012 OKC which was a monster team.

It's why we don't put too much weight on Wilt scoring 50ppg on a bunch of white guys.

[8Ball]

Magic...a top 5 of all time. Better than anyone Brony ever beat.

Malone. Twice.

Barkley.

Drexler, Kemp, Payton.

Funny how you guys clown Westbrook on a daily basis, but now you bring him up as an example of Brony's tough competition. Hmmmmmmmm.

2012 Westbrook made all-nba 2nd team.
2012 Durant made all-nba 1st team
Harden was 6th man of the year
Ibaka was defensive 1st team.

2012 OKC was stacked beyond any team Jordan faced in the finals.


If LeBron could face Jordan's finals opponents LeBron might go 8-2 in the finals.

[GrayGoat]

Who did MJ face in the finals?

[8Ball]

Who did MJ face in the finals?

I would take the 2020 Miami Heat over half of MJ's competition.

[DJMcDonald]

I would take the 2020 Miami Heat over half of MJ's competition.

:roll:

Goes to show your severe lack of knowledge:lol

[GrayGoat]

:roll:

Goes to show your severe lack of knowledge:lol

Do books make it that far north?

[8Ball]

:roll:

Goes to show your severe lack of knowledge:lol

2012 OKC is better than any team Jordan faced in the finals.

[Axe]

Op still has kong in his mind, after all.


2012 OKC is better than any team Jordan faced in the finals.
Bub, where tf were you in the past few months??

[Westbrook_Fan]

Rebounds/Assists/FG%?

[Full Court]

2012 Westbrook made all-nba 2nd team.
2012 Durant made all-nba 1st team
Harden was 6th man of the year
Ibaka was defensive 1st team.

2012 OKC was stacked beyond any team Jordan faced in the finals.


If LeBron could face Jordan's finals opponents LeBron might go 8-2 in the finals.

First of all, no they weren't. The only great player on that team was Durant. Harden and Westbrook are notorious playoff chokers. And the Heat were stacked way more than OKC was. OKC was a slight betting favorite only because after Brony's epic choke job in 2011, not to mention 2009, everybody expected him to choke the title away again.

Your hero is probably still top ten of all time. That's a big accomplishment. You should just accept it instead of getting emotionally wrapped up in a fake narrative. (I'm talking about the fake narrative of Brony being #1, not the fake narrative of you being a millionaire. You can keep on pretending that.)

[RogueBorg]

Ho.leeeee fvck.

Jesus christ

This is 3ball level of ether.

Great work, OP....no mental gymnastics or lack of context here....just cold.hard.facts.

As we knew, there was never a debate....the debate was manufactured.

Lebron would have to Three-Peat just to pull his sorry arse out from under .500...that's how bad it is for him.

[RogueBorg]

They were also going up against Durant/Harden/Westbrook and the dynasty Spurs.

Who exactly did MJ beat? :oldlol:

The 2013/2014 Spurs were not a Dynasty...losing in 2013 and winning in 2014 does not fit the definition, sorry.

[8Ball]

Op still has kong in his mind, after all.


Bub, where tf were you in the past few months??

Wassup Axe.

Life is busy. Got engaged. Bought another building in late 2021. Just finished another building optimization. Can't complain but not much time lately.

[theman93]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zd62MxKXp8

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[theman93]

The 2013/2014 Spurs were not a Dynasty...losing in 2013 and winning in 2014 does not fit the definition, sorry.

Yep. The Spurs hadn't won a chip since....2007. Completely different team by 2014 and does not qualifies as a dynasty. The only ones pushing the mid 10 Spurs as a dynasty are Lebron stans trying to drive an agenda. :confusedshrug:

[kawhileonard2]

Yep. The Spurs hadn't won a chip since....2007. Completely different team by 2014 and does not qualifies as a dynasty. The only ones pushing the mid 10 Spurs as a dynasty are Lebron stans trying to drive an agenda. :confusedshrug:

It would be like Jordan playing the Celtics in 1992 and going 7 and saying he beat the dynasty Celtics who hadn’t won since 1986.

[Full Court]

Wassup Axe.

Life is busy. Got engaged. Bought another building in late 2021. Just finished another building optimization. Can't complain but not much time lately.

By "building optimization" he means cleaning the toilets. :lol

[Full Court]

It would be like Jordan playing the Celtics in 1992 and going 7 and saying he beat the dynasty Celtics who hadn’t won since 1986.

Exactly. The Bronies just aren't a smart bunch.

[Axe]

Wassup Axe.

Life is busy. Got engaged. Bought another building in late 2021. Just finished another building optimization. Can't complain but not much time lately.
Lol ok. Are you still rich or wealthy? Sorry for asking all of a sudden lmao.

[3ba11]

They were also going up against Durant/Harden/Westbrook and the dynasty Spurs.

Who exactly did MJ beat? :oldlol:


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html).............. 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html).............. 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts


The 15' Warriors had 1 perennial all-star (Curry) and the Jazz had 2 (Malone/Stockton).. Furthermore, Klay/Dray were 1st-time all-stars, while the Jazz had a 1-time all-star (Hornacek) that was far superior to Klay across the board (see stats above).

People forget that the 98' Jazz went to the Finals the previous year and their experience against MJ would give them a massive edge against the newbie Warriors.. The Jazz also swept Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers (2 years in a row) and destroyed Duncan/Popovich's 56-win Spurs, along with Hakeem's Rockets, so the Curry Warriors would stand no chance.. Only MJ could beat those Jazz.

Btw, MJ would beat any team in history if he had an extra all-star teammate (3 all-star team) like Lebron did... Lebron also had the preseason favorite from 2011-2016, so his super-teams lorded over the league (hence KD doing something about it in 17').

[Full Court]

Wassup Axe.

Life is busy. Got engaged. Bought another building in late 2021. Just finished another building optimization. Can't complain but not much time lately.

On a serious note, congratulations on getting engaged. What's his name?

[Airupthere]

-86? Lol :roll:

[8Ball]

By "building optimization" he means cleaning the toilets. :lol

I bought a building for $2.6M fall 2021. Optimized the rents and increased the building value by $300K 4 months later.

[Full Court]

I bought a building for $2.6M fall 2021. Optimized the rents and increased the building value by $300K 4 months later.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2Fd8de3 bbf03ad4a7e3744ff650517f662%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D5692313&f=1&nofb=1

Sure you did, Bub.

Get all the poop stains cleaned up?

[8Ball]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2Fd8de3 bbf03ad4a7e3744ff650517f662%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D5692313&f=1&nofb=1

Sure you did, Bub.

Get all the poop stains cleaned up?


I can wager proof of purchase but I don't think you have any money to spare.

[nineiron]

Let's see how they match up.

Jordan's record: 24-11
Brony's record: 22-33

Wow. It's not even CLOSE! :roll:

And Jordan only had Pippen. Brony had Wade, Bosch, AD, Kyrie, Love, etc.

But let's not just focus on team accomplishments and also see how they did individually.

+/- Now personally, I don't put much stock into +/-, but the Brony Bunch are always touting it when it suits their narrative, so as far as I'm concerned it's fair game.

Jordan: +45
Brony: -86

Yep, you read it right folks. Jordan is +131 over Brony.

EMBARRASSING! Embarrassing like a third trimester pregnant exotic dancer.

Hmmm, how about points per game?

Jordan: 33.6
Brony: 28.4

Steals per game?

Jordan: 1.8
Brony: 1.7

Blocks per game?

Jordan: .7
Brony: .8

Brony has a slight edge there.

But there's something that Brony blows Jordan out of the water in! Turnovers per game.

Jordan: 2.8
Brony: 3.9

Oh, but get this, Bronies. You're going to LOVE this one!!!! Wait for itttttt....

3-point shooting percentage.

Jordan: 36.8
Brony: 35.2

The Brony bunch always tries to push a narrative that Jordan couldn't shoot threes, but when it counts, turns out Jordan is better than their hero. :roll:

Lebron beats Jordan in rebounds.

And there you have it. It's really not even close.

And I'll post the source for my numbers, since people like TheConstipation like to fabricate their own "facts."

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/michael-jordan-finals-record

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-james-finals-record

not surprised one bit.

[3ba11]

Let's see how they match up.

Jordan's record: 24-11
Brony's record: 22-33

Wow. It's not even CLOSE! :roll:

And Jordan only had Pippen. Brony had Wade, Bosch, AD, Kyrie, Love, etc.

But let's not just focus on team accomplishments and also see how they did individually.

+/- Now personally, I don't put much stock into +/-, but the Brony Bunch are always touting it when it suits their narrative, so as far as I'm concerned it's fair game.

Jordan: +45
Brony: -86

Yep, you read it right folks. Jordan is +131 over Brony.

EMBARRASSING! Embarrassing like a third trimester pregnant exotic dancer.

Hmmm, how about points per game?

Jordan: 33.6
Brony: 28.4

Steals per game?

Jordan: 1.8
Brony: 1.7

Blocks per game?

Jordan: .7
Brony: .8

Brony has a slight edge there.

But there's something that Brony blows Jordan out of the water in! Turnovers per game.

Jordan: 2.8
Brony: 3.9

Oh, but get this, Bronies. You're going to LOVE this one!!!! Wait for itttttt....

3-point shooting percentage.

Jordan: 36.8
Brony: 35.2

The Brony bunch always tries to push a narrative that Jordan couldn't shoot threes, but when it counts, turns out Jordan is better than their hero. :roll:

Lebron beats Jordan in rebounds.

And there you have it. It's really not even close.

And I'll post the source for my numbers, since people like TheConstipation like to fabricate their own "facts."

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/michael-jordan-finals-record

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-james-finals-record


Wow.. 131 advantage in plus-minus over Bronny despite 4 less Finals.. yikes.. it's called fundamentals, optimal scoring style and superior brand of ball that all organic champions develop to win

[Full Court]

Wow.. 131 advantage in plus-minus over Bronny despite 4 less Finals.. yikes.. it's called fundamentals, optimal scoring style and superior brand of ball that all organic champions develop to win

Yeah, it's really not even close. Not even a contest.