Which one was Lebron's most impressive accomplishment?

[iamgine]

Coming back from 1-3 deficit in the 2016 Finals?

or

Winning 66 games with that squad in 2009?


To me these two are Lebron's most unbelievable accomplishments. Which one do you think is more impressive?

[Spurs m8]

The one where he achieved something without colluding with top tier help...

Like making the playoffs with an organic squad in 2019

Oh wait

[GrayGoat]

Beating the 4 allstar 60 win Atlanta hawks

[ClipperRevival]

Getting outscored by Jason Terry and Tony Parker in the finals.

[Westbrook_Fan]

Winning a championship with 0 all star or All-NBA players (2016)

[warriorfan]

Getting outscored by Jason Terry and Tony Parker in the finals.

Beat me to it

[Bawkish]

#1 all-time NBA scoring

[TheGoatest]

Winning 2 games in the 2015 Finals with Matthew Dellavedova as his #2 guy against a completely healthy 67-win Warriors also needs to be in this conversation.
To this day I have no idea how he did it, but somehow he did it. That should've been a Warriors sweep with every game being a 20 point blowout win. Some of the things LeBron accomplished throughout his career defy logic.

[John_Connor]

going from this

http://ht.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/video/teams/cavaliers/2014/12/12/141212LBJPostGMmov-3462951-3.576x324.jpg


to this

https://media.gq.com/photos/5942ce8fff7d4e0397e51d10/3:2/w_1506,h_1004,c_limit/lebron-james-hair.jpg

to this

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/1Axrd7xuQUyzpzbE2OnhnQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTc3Mg--/https://s.yimg.com/os/en-US/homerun/nbcsports.com/74ca633324e785b16af5228ba480cbd1


and finally to this

https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/lebron-james-hair.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lOL2h8F3aA&ab_channel=MrKennyBritt

[Axe]

Beating a 70+ win team who also had the 2016 league mvp without finals mvps until now

[Akeem34TheDream]

Beating the 4 allstar 60 win Atlanta hawks

:roll:

[TheGoatest]

:roll:

What's so funny about a 100% factually accurate description?
The 2015 Hawks did have 4 all-stars.
The 2015 Hawks did win 60 games.

[Akeem34TheDream]

What's so funny about a 100% factually accurate description?
The 2015 Hawks did have 4 all-stars.
The 2015 Hawks did win 60 games.

Yeah you are correct. That was Lebron's most impressive accomplishment.

[Spurs m8]

Look at the calibre of all stars hahahahahahh

Fantastic accomplishment

[3ba11]

Coming back from 1-3 deficit in the 2016 Finals?

or

Winning 66 games with that squad in 2009?


To me these two are Lebron's most unbelievable accomplishments. Which one do you think is more impressive?



Mo didn't join a good team in 2009 - his Klay-level offense made them good and taught us for the first time that Lebron needs shooters.. Mo gave Lebron brand of ball (D'Antoni style capability), but it was a flimsy, solvable brand as we saw by their historic upset loss to a depleted Magic team (or Nash's many disappointments).

Meanwhile, Kyrie and Wilt are the only guys that dropped 40 on 70% in a Finals game, while Kyrie is the only guy to outplay a league MVP heads-up (30 on 53% in last 3 games) - no one ever had this level of help in any Finals, and equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level (never carried scoring load on Finals level).

So neither were impressive because teammates were the reason that both happened.. Again, Mo didn't join a good team and Lebron didn't have to defeat maximum defensive attention in the 16' Finals (had equal-scoring partner and "closer")

[John8204]

19 years old - 20/5/5 - 37 years old - 29/8/6

Coming into the league as a teenager and being as productive and consistent as he's been is an incredible accomplishment.

[mr4speed]

Mo didn't join a good team in 2009 - his Klay-level offense made them good and taught us for the first time that Lebron needs shooters.. Mo gave Lebron brand of ball (D'Antoni style capability), but it was a flimsy, solvable brand as we saw by their historic upset loss to a depleted Magic team (or Nash's many disappointments).

Meanwhile, Kyrie and Wilt are the only guys that dropped 40 on 70% in a Finals game, while Kyrie is the only guy to outplay a league MVP heads-up (30 on 53% in last 3 games) - no one ever had this level of help in any Finals, and equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level (never carried scoring load on Finals level).

So neither were impressive because teammates were the reason that both happened.. Again, Mo didn't join a good team and Lebron didn't have to defeat maximum defensive attention in the 16' Finals (had equal-scoring partner and "closer")

Your info on Kyrie prompted me to look up Jordan's "help" in the 86 playoffs vs Boston and here is what I found = in the 3 games the Bulls second leading scorer contributed 23.6 pts per game on 45.3% shooting while Kyrie in the last 3 games contributed 30 pts per game on 52.3% shooting! Clearly there was much more fire power on the 2016 Cavs team. Another interesting find was Jordan over these 3 games averaged 43.7 pts per game on 50.5% shooting and Lebron in these last 3 games averaged 36.3 pts per game on 50.6% shooting. And Lebron claimed "that one right there made me the greatest" ( too small of a sample size for me). Thoughts?

[RogueBorg]

going from this

http://ht.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/video/teams/cavaliers/2014/12/12/141212LBJPostGMmov-3462951-3.576x324.jpg


to this

https://media.gq.com/photos/5942ce8fff7d4e0397e51d10/3:2/w_1506,h_1004,c_limit/lebron-james-hair.jpg

to this

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/1Axrd7xuQUyzpzbE2OnhnQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTc3Mg--/https://s.yimg.com/os/en-US/homerun/nbcsports.com/74ca633324e785b16af5228ba480cbd1


and finally to this

https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/lebron-james-hair.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lOL2h8F3aA&ab_channel=MrKennyBritt

Where have I seen that symbol before?

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/black-widow-spider-symbol-illustration-260nw-383360623.jpg

[TheCorporation]

The main pattern here is Jordan played with another star with a lot of playoff series wins: Pippen. Same with Kobe & Shaq. Lebron & Duncan, on the other hand, are the true winners. It's reflected in the all time playoff win shares as well.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career_p.html
Rank Player WS
1. LeBron James (55.68)
2. Michael Jordan (39.76)
3. Tim Duncan (37.84)
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (35.56)
5. Magic Johnson (32.0)

This idea of "2nd place is the same as last place and only a ring counts" is nothing but a narrative. Sports rankings are more complex than that. By that flawed measure, Billups or Iggy are greater players than Malone, Barkley, or Iverson. If I am never the top earner in a year but I consistently have a yearly increase in wealth that is in the top 2 to 5 every year for a long time, I could still end up the wealthiest in the world. I could just be #2 every year and still end up the valedictorian at graduation. All that has to happen is for my rival to have a bad year or two. Consistency matters.

Finally, going by "2nd place and lower is nothing but a participation award" logic, Jordan barely cracks the all time top 10.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/most_championships.html

With either consistent measure, Jordan is never the GOAT. The only way for Jordan to be GOAT is via a cherry picked narrative, not via a reasonable metric applied consistently.

[TheCorporation]

if you delete all of brans 6 finals losses he still has 4 fmvp. :biggums:

If you delete 6 of mikes finals...oh shit

:lebronamazed:

:dancin :dancin

[TheCorporation]

LeBron Playoff Records
-Points, LBJ, 1st
-Steals, LBJ, 1st
-Game winners, LBJ, 1st
-Elim. game ppg, LBJ, 1st
-Triple Doubles, LBJ, 2nd
-Finals Trip-Dub, LBJ, 1st
-Most 30 pt games, LBJ,1st
-FMVPs, LBJ, 2nd
-Offensive WS, LBJ, 1st
-Total Win Shares, LBJ, 1st
-VORP, LBJ, 1st
-Finals, LBJ, 2nd
-Lead all players in pts, rebs, ast for series, LBJ, 1st
-Assists, LBJ, 2nd

[TheCorporation]

2018 LBJ probably

LeBron's lead in the G.O.A.T. race extends even further now:

Jordan only had 3 playoff PER runs over 30 in entire career (minimum 2nd round)

LeBron has 7 playoff PER runs over 30 in entire career.

https://s6.gifyu.com/images/separator-light1378072ed9159071.gif

2018 LeBron PER > any of Jordan's playoff PER.

32.2 > Any playoff PER Jordan.

2009 playoffs 37.4 PER > Anything Jordan could have ever done statistically.


LeBron's peak > Jordan's peak.
LeBron's longevity > Jordan's longevity.

[nineiron]

losing more times than winning when your team is the clear cut favorite

[ImKobe]

if you delete all of brans 6 finals losses he still has 4 fmvp. :biggums:

If you delete 6 of mikes finals...oh shit

:lebronamazed:

:dancin :dancin

Oh shit.. MJ never lost in the Finals

If you remove 4 rings, MJ still has 2 and is undefeated, while Bran is 0 - 6 :(

[nineiron]

if you delete all of brans 6 finals losses he still has 4 fmvp. :biggums:

If you delete 6 of mikes finals...oh shit

:lebronamazed:

:dancin :dancin

wtf kind of retarded math is this?

[Westbrook_Fan]

19th Season LeBron- 29ppg

14th Season MJ- 20ppg

19th Season Kobe- 22 ppg



Lebron also had the highest FG%

[8Ball]

2009 Reg Season
2018 playoffs


For Career:

17 all-nba with 13 1st team all-nba
or
All time points.
or
4 mvp out of 5 years



The all time regular season + playoffs point total is probably the most impossible LeBron record to break.
17 All-NBA teams with 13 of them 1st teams is also nearly unbreakable.