Pippen was considered great for his 18/7 stats, so why is AD getting knocked for that

[3ba11]

And why was Lebron knocked for that in the 2011 Finals or Wade/Bosh in 2014?

Is Pippen-caliber actually bad?... A caliber that even Wade/Bosh couldn't win with in 2011 at their peaks, and Lebron can't win with this year?..

Is that why MJ is goat?... because he could win with what others can't?

[SouBeachTalents]

That guy was good enough to win 55 games without Jordan.

[1987_Lakers]

Eye test

[Gudo]

That guy was good enough to win 55 games without Jordan.

You are doing to Horace and cast what Pippen cried about being done to him.

[GrayGoat]

Because the lakers don’t face teams that struggle to score 50pts in a game

[AlternativeAcc.]

You're a casual fan fan dude.

Draymond averaged like 10/7 at his peak was he a scrub?

You don't know anything about basketball man. You're a computer geek. And you're not even smart. You're the worst kind of nerd/loner.

[SouBeachTalents]

You're a casual fan fan dude.

Draymond averaged like 10/7 at his peak was he a scrub?

You don't know anything about basketball man. You're a computer geek. And you're not even smart. You're the worst kind of nerd/loner.
He’s also completely full of shit. Stats are the only thing that matters when discussing Pippen, but they don’t matter at all when discussing LeBron.

[NBAGOAT]

pippen has assists, also plays better defense in his prime

[FireDavidKahn]

Because people actually watch the game and not stats

[Full Court]

This is where I part ways with 3ball.

Everybody knows Pippen was a great player.

And everyone knows Jordan is the GOAT.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

[JohnMax]

Who else besides Pippen and Lebron do you hate?

[NBAGOAT]

Who else besides Pippen and Lebron do you hate?

steph if he's in the MVP race

[97 bulls]

I agree with most of the posts in this thread. What some fail to realize is that there's stats, and then there's impact. Sure Pippen would give you 20/7/6. But he's also gonna anchor the defense and run the offense. Very few players in league history can boast a skill set like Scottie Pippen.

[97 bulls]

You are doing to Horace and cast what Pippen cried about being done to him.

That not true. What makes that season so remarkable is the fact that they lost their best player, didn't find even a capable replacement, and then remained a contender.

[3ba11]

This is where I part ways with 3ball.

Everybody knows Pippen was a great player.

And everyone knows Jordan is the GOAT.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive.


If Pippen is as good as you think, then MJ isn't goat

MJ is goat specifically because he won with less than everyone else, except maybe 94' Hakeem and maybe a 1 or 2 other one-off examples..

MJ is goat because he won 6 chips with Iggy as his sidekick, not Karl Malone (a legit top 30 player)

The entire Bulls team - Horace, Cartwright, BJ, Longley, Wennington, Kerr, Paxson - these guys were ordinary role players that every team has... "stiffs" even.. If Horace averaged 9/8 in a series - he wasn't knocked for it because he was just a role player.

Regarding Pippen - his peak capability of 22/5 is the lowest of any decent 90's sidekick, and he's the only sidekick that never led a team in a series (never a 1b) - this shows that he was never a leader and never dominated (always a secondary player production)

[3ba11]

pippen has assists, also plays better defense in his prime


AD destroys Pippen defensively, so you don't have your normal "b-b-but defense" excuse for Pippen this time.

Pippen is simply overrated by the winning spotlight, so his 18/7 is "great", while AD's 23/9 needs to be traded

[AirBonner]

Pippen never fielded a low seeded team like AD

[3ba11]

Pippen never fielded a low seeded team like AD

AD was never carried like Pippen, who was always carried - that's the whole point - Pippen was much closer to an ordinary role player than dominant.. He was often a 3rd to 8th option.

Otoh, AD turned the Lakers from lottery to champion specifically by turning their defense from worst to first and leading the league in playoff scoring (playoff scoring champ).. He led the Lakers in scoring for 2020 regular season and playoffs

[ImKobe]

Pippen never fielded a low seeded team like AD

'89 Bulls, '01 Blazers..

[Roundball_Rock]

I agree with most of the posts in this thread. What some fail to realize is that there's stats, and then there's impact. Sure Pippen would give you 20/7/6. But he's also gonna anchor the defense and run the offense. Very few players in league history can boast a skill set like Scottie Pippen.

Plus Pippen didn't play for stats--he was more interested in winning and building up his teammates than racking up personal stats. The Bulls were a slow paced team. 94' Pippen's stats on 89' Portland would be 24/10/7/3. Drexler was 27/8/6/3 in that scenario and Drexler is the only superstar SG Jordan ever faced in the playoffs.

[97 bulls]

Plus Pippen didn't play for stats--he was more interested in winning and building up his teammates than racking up personal stats. The Bulls were a slow paced team. 94' Pippen's stats on 89' Portland would be 24/10/7/3. Drexler was 27/8/6/3 in that scenario and Drexler is the only superstar SG Jordan ever faced in the playoffs.

I've been telling these Jordanites the same thing. Pippen didn't play for stats. And his stats were still great.

[Phoenix]

Plus Pippen didn't play for stats--he was more interested in winning and building up his teammates than racking up personal stats. The Bulls were a slow paced team. 94' Pippen's stats on 89' Portland would be 24/10/7/3. Drexler was 27/8/6/3 in that scenario and Drexler is the only superstar SG Jordan ever faced in the playoffs.

Hey Roundball is back! Where you been dude, taking a break from this shithole( not that I blame you)?

[97 bulls]

Hey Roundball is back! Where you been dude, taking a break from this shithole( not that I blame you)?

Lol.

[NBAGOAT]

AD destroys Pippen defensively, so you don't have your normal "b-b-but defense" excuse for Pippen this time.

Pippen is simply overrated by the winning spotlight, so his 18/7 is "great", while AD's 23/9 needs to be traded

i never said ad needs ro be traded. also what proof do you have he destroys pippen on defense. finally I shouldve mentioned it earlier but the biggest thing against AD is his health.

[Hey Yo]

Bosh was still being called a superstar before the 2013 Finals. He avg. 12-9 for the series.

Horace Grant in the 1993 Finals avg. 11-10 which confirms that he was playing at Bosh's superstar level.

[Round Mound]

Pippen not only did not play for stats but the 1 and half year he was without Jordan he averaged 22/8.7/5.6/2.9/1.0 on 49.1% FG while anchoring the Bulls defense and was the main playmaker for just 2 wins less than the year before with Jordan. His stats in his prime would have looked like those for more years but again Pippen did not play for stats. Why can't Jordan be the GOAT with Pippen being one of the all time greats aswell? Why downplay him? Why downplay Jordan?

[Roundball_Rock]

Hey Roundball is back! Where you been dude, taking a break from this shithole( not that I blame you)?

:cheers: Lol yeah, it is the same old BS here unfortunately.

[Cali Syndicate]

AD destroys Pippen defensively, so you don't have your normal "b-b-but defense" excuse for Pippen this time.

Pippen is simply overrated by the winning spotlight, so his 18/7 is "great", while AD's 23/9 needs to be traded

Fcuk no he doesn't. You crazy