The Bad Boys beat Celtics/Lakers in EPIC WARS, while 15' Warriors were 1st timers and

[3ba11]

nothing by comparison.. :confusedshrug:

Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars heading into the 15' season, while the 89' Pistons had 3x all-stars like Isiah, Dantley, Aguirre, and Laimbeer, while Dumars was FMVP.

So Jordan overcame an established dynasty that was in legendary wars and 2x champs, while Lebron overcame nothing - the Curry Warriors were surprise 1st timers with no talent or history compared to the Pistons

"b-b-but comp doh!"

Furthermore, teams win organically by developing a better brand of ball than their peers like the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls.. So Jordan's organic path (developing a better way to play basketball) ended the Pistons from ever being competitive again, while Lebron's talent-based, all-star team strategy only got a flukey 1-off against the Warriors.

[RRR3]

LeBron’s best teammate was Timofey Mozgov.

[3ba11]

LeBron’s best teammate was Timofey Mozgov.


The point is that Jordan overcame an established dynasty that was in legendary wars and 2x champs, while Lebron overcame nothing - the Curry Warriors were surprise 1st timers with no talent or history compared to the Pistons.. Lebron would've needed to beat the 17' or 18' Warriors to compare.

And it isn't just the Pistons... the 15' Warriors had 1 perennial all-star (Curry) and the 98' Jazz had 2 (Malone/Stockton), while Klay/Dray were 1x all-stars like Hornacek, who destroys Klay across the board (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501020-Klay-Thompson-vs-Jeff-Hornacek-career-statistical-comparison).. Those Jazz were 15-year organic juggernaut with goat chemistry and vastly superior to the Curry Warriors

[SouBeachTalents]

2016 Warriors >>>>> 1991 Pistons.

Now let’s see this fakkit try to argue a 73 win team with the unanimous MVP & 2 All-NBA players was worse than the 50 win Pistons :lol

[Axe]

While kobe couldn't make the playoffs the first season he played without shaquille.

[Hey Yo]

IT was the only All-star in 1989 for Detroit.

If they're considered a dynasty, then so was Miami.

[1987_Lakers]

I always find it funny how 3ball just uses ppg to judge players when MJ himself lost 3 straight times to a team who's leading scorer fringed around 18 ppg.

[Airupthere]

1989 playoffs. The Pistons would have been undefeated had they not lost 2x to the Bulls. They swept everybody.

[8Ball]

I always find it funny how 3ball just uses ppg to judge players when MJ himself lost 3 straight times to a team who's leading scorer fringed around 18 ppg.

Jordan Ball

[SouBeachTalents]

1989 playoffs. The Pistons would have been undefeated had they not lost 2x to the Bulls. They swept everybody.
It helps they faced the Lakers with Magic missing most of the series. Byron Scott too.

[3ba11]

2016 Warriors >>>>> 1991 Pistons.

Now let’s see this fakkit try to argue a 73 win team with the unanimous MVP & 2 All-NBA players was worse than the 50 win Pistons :lol


The 16' Warriors weren't anywhere near the Bad Boys

The Bad Boys beat superior opposition and had better players

Regular season record means nothing... Westbrook had those Warriors down 1-3 and Kyrie overcame a 1-3 deficit to beat them.. if those Warriors were crushed by "cancers", then they stand no chance against the team that beat MJ, Bird and Magic

[1987_Lakers]

The 16' Warriors weren't anywhere near the Bad Boys

The Bad Boys beat superior opposition and had better players

Regular season record means nothing... Westbrook had those Warriors down 1-3 and Kyrie overcame a 1-3 deficit to beat them.. if those Warriors were crushed by "cancers", then they stand no chance against the team that beat MJ, Bird and Magic

MJ didn't beat the '88-'90 Pistons, he beat them in '91 when they were a 50 win team. :oldlol:

LeBron on the other hand took out a 73 win team who had an unanimous MVP

[3ba11]

MJ didn't beat the '88-'90 Pistons, he beat them in '91 when they were a 50 win team. :oldlol:

LeBron on the other hand took out a 73 win team who had an unanimous MVP


Baron Davis and Dwight defeated 67-win teams but that doesn't make them better than Jordan, who only beat a 64-win team.

So regular season record means nothing when comparing "comp" - only titles matter and the 16' Warriors are goat losers.. they're a joke that lost as a big favorite to the worst comp ever - Lebron's teams have a lottery record in the Finals (worst Finals comp).

And Isiah missed a lot of games in 91', but the reality is that the Bulls' superior brand of basketball had already started to overtake the league and the Pistons by 91'.. Fans simply lack understanding and knowledge, so they don't realize that organic teams don't win via talent - they win by developing a better brand of ball like the Spurs, Warriors or 90's Bulls.. The Pistons were toast because the Bulls developed a better way to play basketball, while Lebron got a flukey one-off via talent-based winning (all-star team strategy)

[1987_Lakers]

Baron Davis and Dwight defeated 67-win teams but that doesn't make them better than Jordan, who only beat a 64-win team.

So regular season record means nothing when comparing "comp" - only titles matter and the 16' Warriors are goat losers.. they're a joke that lost as a big favorite to the worst comp ever - Lebron's teams have a lottery record in the Finals (worst Finals comp).

And Isiah missed a lot of games in 91', but the reality is that the Bulls' superior brand of basketball had already started to overtake the league and the Pistons by 91'.. Fans simply lack understanding and knowledge, so they don't realize that organic teams don't win via talent - they win by developing a better brand of ball like the Spurs, Warriors or 90's Bulls.. The Pistons were toast because the Bulls developed a better way to play basketball, while Lebron got a flukey one-off via talent-based winning (all-star team strategy)
Using 3ball logic..

'91 Pistons - SRS: 3.08
2016 Warriors - SRS: 10.38

So, LeBron knocked off the #1 team in the NBA in terms of SRS while the Bulls in '91 knocked off the #9 team in SRS in Detroit. MJ didn't even beat a top 5 team to reach the Finals.

[1987_Lakers]

BTW the Pistons were 31-17 with Isiah in '91. That is equivalent to a 53 win team. Not even close to 73.

[John8204]

Did the OP not realize that Lebron had to play against three super teams?

Spurs 1-2
Celtics 2-2
Warriors 1-3

vs 3 best teams MJ played against
Celtics 0-2
Pistons 1-3
Jazz 2-0

You really can't argue one or the other...MJ has a better (but still .500 record) while Lebron did end up beating each of the best teams of his era.

As for Klay and Draymond not being "allstars" Klay was all NBA, with Draymon, Bogut, and Iggy being All-Defense in 12-13-14

Also a bit dishonest to have Dantley on the list as Jordan was 0-3 against Dantley

But I will say that Mark Aguirre and Bill Laimbeer both belong in the Hall of Fame