Do you believe in God?

[Patrick Chewing]

Simple question. Simple answer choices.

[highwhey]

of course. praise to the highest one.

[1987_Lakers]

I do believe in a higher power, but do I believe in the Old Testament's version of God where he is pretty cruel? if that is God I want nothing to do with him.

I believe there are evil and good forces out there that our five senses can't grasp.

[highwhey]

I do believe in a higher power, but do I believe in the Old Testament's version of God where he is pretty cruel? if that is God I want nothing to do with him.

I believe there are evil and good forces out there that our five senses can't grasp.

different times. people think he was cruel when in reality he was carrying out punishment that he himself was not fond of. he is perfect in the truest sense of the word when it comes to justice. remember that it was a brutal world back then with demons getting their way. the stuff that was going on in Gomorrah was absolute evil that needed to be erased. there's a verse that says God was appalled by all the acts going on in that despicable city. the world nowadays with liberals pushing the forefront of boundaries is worse. so judgment day will come. he's never enjoyed destruction. we are just too imperfect to realize that justice must be carried out regardless of our emotions. order only happens if someone carries out that order.

[Patrick Chewing]

I do believe in a higher power, but do I believe in the Old Testament's version of God where he is pretty cruel? if that is God I want nothing to do with him.

I believe there are evil and good forces out there that our five senses can't grasp.

I would vote Yes then if I were you. The Old Testament version of God does not necessarily have to be the true God. The true God to me is Jesus and his teachings. But I do not believe God to be simplistic in nature. If God to you is a "higher being" with vast intelligence, then that's good enough for me.

[John_Connor]

https://youtu.be/ctPViK3LK-o


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[theman93]

Of course. There's no justification for morality or even science without God.

[Gohan]

different times. people think he was cruel when in reality he was carrying out punishment that he himself was not fond of. he is perfect in the truest sense of the word when it comes to justice. remember that it was a brutal world back then with demons getting their way. the stuff that was going on in Gomorrah was absolute evil that needed to be erased. there's a verse that says God was appalled by all the acts going on in that despicable city. the world nowadays with liberals pushing the forefront of boundaries is worse. so judgment day will come. he's never enjoyed destruction. we are just too imperfect to realize that justice must be carried out regardless of our emotions. order only happens if someone carries out that order.

:cheers:

[John_Connor]

Of course. There's no justification for morality or even science without God.

I dont think morality is a proof of God. f*cked up 1 in a billion shit happening all the time is my evidence.

morality is just centuries of evolution and inherited dna. it's instinctive behavior to have an overwhelming feeling wash over you when you see good and evil. the good is endorphins. a type of drug released from the brain. and bad raises nervous tensions to the point where you can feel ill. it's why animals are born in the wild mostly knowing how to survive and which animals to trust and which ones they shouldn't. it's not so much them thinking it. but those same feelings washing over them. like that sick feeling we get when we see blood or injuries. that isn't God telling us we're good. it's just from thousands of years experiencing those things through our ancestry.

we are a replicant of our parents and their parents. that's why we look so similar to them. it's not an offspring as much as a reincarnation. a little bit of your skills and knowledge are imbedded in your children.

I think God is something beyond our comprehension. it's not some bearded man. it probly goes beyond our universe. like we're in a computer simulation and it's the processor or user. this has to be the case cause evolution is proven and God wasn't some guy before humans even existed. we came from microscopic beings. your earliest ancestors are from the beginnings of life on earth. there is no other possible way to exist

[Norcaliblunt]

Gods. I believe in Gods. There isn’t just one.

[theman93]

I dont think morality is a proof of God. f*cked up 1 in a billion shit happening all the time is my evidence.

morality is just centuries of evolution and inherited dna. it's instinctive behavior to have an overwhelming feeling wash over you when you see good and evil. the good is endorphins. a type of drug released from the brain. and bad raises nervous tensions to the point where you can feel ill. it's why animals are born in the wild mostly knowing how to survive and which animals to trust and which ones they shouldn't. it's not so much them thinking it. but those same feelings washing over them. like that sick feeling we get when we see blood or injuries. that isn't God telling us we're good. it's just from thousands of years experiencing those things through our ancestry.

we are a replicant of our parents and their parents. that's why we look so similar to them. it's not an offspring as much as a reincarnation. a little bit of your skills and knowledge are imbedded in your children.

I think God is something beyond our comprehension. it's not some bearded man. it probly goes beyond our universe. like we're in a computer simulation and it's the processor or user. this has to be the case cause evolution is proven and God wasn't some guy before humans even existed. we came from microscopic beings. your earliest ancestors are from the beginnings of life on earth. there is no other possible way to exist

Define f*cked up. Define good and evil. By what standard?

The pedophile has a really "good" feeling when he molests a child. Is that moral of him?

[Norcaliblunt]

There is nothing rational about this world. Living things consume living things for life. It’s nonsensical. The Gods are either crazy or comedians.

[Chick Stern]

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”

[John_Connor]

Define f*cked up. By what standard?

I just posted 2 examples.

lightning blowing up a George floyd mural. (never even heard of that happening before to a brick building with or without a false idol that represents evil and led a revolution built on racism and divide )

a stand up comic mocking oppressed unvaccinated peoples who's lives were ruined then mocking God and suddenly passing out and cracking her skull on the floor.

weird shit like this has happened to me personally like 10 times or more. life saving shit or other crazy one in a million things. like losing my gold cross and emptying out my room. then the only thing I had left was a book case and I slumped over after begging God for it and it was under my hand ontop of the book shelf I was resting on. never in my life put it up there. made no sense. that or coming in and the TV shuts off and a chair was out. I turn the TV on and it's the last seconds of a shoot out in hockey or something. like the spirit couldn't miss it and risked everything. had quite a few life saving moments as well where I shoulda died driving drunk and woke up after spinning out and nobody else ever witnesses it

and there's people like nostradamus and others that predicted a bunch of historical moments. doubt that's all just a coincidence. there's obviously supernatural shit going on


I remember selling my soul during game 7 of the 2010 finals. i guess it worked cause the Lakers flipped the script and came back to win. but after that kobes career went down the toilet and he died so I guess that was our punishment

[fsvr54]

I believe everything is part of a holistic God. We are all part of God.

Read some Meister Eckhart of Ibn al Arabi.

[theman93]

I just posted 2 examples.

lightning blowing up a George floyd mural. (never even heard of that happening before to a brick building with or without a false idol that represents evil and led a revolution built on racism and divide )

a stand up comic mocking oppressed unvaccinated peoples who's lives were ruined then mocking God and suddenly passing out and cracking her skull on the floor.

weird shit like this has happened to me personally like 10 times or more. life saving shit or other crazy one in a million things. like losing my gold cross and emptying out my room. then the only thing I had left was a book case and I slumped over after begging God for it and it was under my hand ontop of the book shelf I was resting on. never in my life put it up there. made no sense. that or coming in and the TV shuts off and a chair was out. I turn the TV on and it's the last seconds of a shoot out in hockey or something. like the spirit couldn't miss it and risked everything. had quite a few life saving moments as well where I shoulda died driving drunk and woke up after spinning out and nobody else ever witnesses it

and there's people like nostradamus and others that predicted a bunch of historical moments. doubt that's all just a coincidence. there's obviously supernatural shit going on


I remember selling my soul during game 7 of the 2010 finals. i guess it worked cause the Lakers flipped the script and came back to win. but after that kobes career went down the toilet and he died so I guess that was our punishment

With all due respect I don't think you're understanding the question. I'm asking for you to give me the justification for what makes something good or evil. By what standard?

[Bill Gates]

The Ra Material is truth.

Many mistakenly believe that in the beginning there was nothing, but the opposite is true. The beginning didn't default at nothing, it defaulted at everything. An infinity. Everything combination and every reality possible.

Within that infinity a great self awareness formed and the infinity itself became self aware. This awareness is God and we are all part of it. We are all the same awareness. We are all the same spirit. We are all part of God. Harm another and you are literally harming yourself. Help another and you are helping yourself. While we are all unique and different at our root we are all the same soul.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f5/27/c9/f527c9b5b27d119b2d8b13e8715f0baa.jpg

[John_Connor]

With all due respect I don't think you're understanding the question. I'm asking for you to give me the justification for what makes something good or evil. By what standard?


like i said i don't believe good and evil are god given. i'm not a believer in religion. just a supernatural being overseeing things and manipulating with outcomes. and even whoever that is can commit acts of violence onto others. is that evil? or is it retribution. like i said i think good and evil are subjective and inherited dna. good gives off endorphins and evil raises anxiety. its genetic memory giving you good and bad feelings based on plausible outcomes. like you know if you steal someone might hunt you down and f*ck you up. that makes you feel sick when you have thoughts of stealing. if you knew it was ok to steal and you wouldn't be punished you might still be hesitant like a mouse that got zapped too many times in an experiment. but i also believe that god has his own free will to judge us. and who knows what god is. it could be a kid playing an advanced version of minecraft. all i know is theres a supernatural being f*cking with us. if thats a god then i believe in one

[theman93]

like i said i don't believe good and evil are god given. i'm not a believer in religion. just a supernatural being overseeing things and manipulating with outcomes. and even whoever that is can commit acts of violence onto others. is that evil? or is it retribution. like i said i think good and evil are subjective and inherited dna. good gives off endorphins and evil raises anxiety. its genetic memory giving you good and bad feelings based on plausible outcomes. like you know if you steal someone might hunt you down and f*ck you up. that makes you feel sick when you have thoughts of stealing. if you knew it was ok to steal and you wouldn't be punished you might still be hesitant like a mouse that got zapped too many times in an experiment. but i also believe that god has his own free will to judge us. and who knows what god is. it could be a kid playing an advanced version of minecraft. all i know is theres a supernatural being f*cking with us. if thats a god then i believe in one

So molesting a child, raping a women, or murdering an innocent person are actually morally upright things to do as long as they give off endorphins?

[John_Connor]

So molesting a child, raping a women, or murdering an innocent person are actually morally upright things to do as long as they give off endorphins?

i think our inherited maternal instincts to protect children is what makes us vilify a child rapist. if god truly did give humanity morality then there wouldn't be a section of people that commit these crimes. those people are usually damaged in the head from early childhood development issues. possibly a cycle of abuse physically, emotionally or sexually. possibly all 3. it has nothing to do with god or the devil taking over someones spirit and making them stick their **** in a babies asshole or not. lmao... its definitely more to do with something explainable through clinical psychology. raping women is about power over someone. degrading them. a need for control because they again grew up without the ability to control their own lives. its a way of acting out aggression thats bottled up. same with murderers. its all pretty much tied up to the same things. psychological damage can drive people to do many different things. like become a trans person. a homosexual. nobodies born with these things. homosexuals are almost entirely degenerates by nature. if you watch a gay pride parade its nothing but nude people with hard c*cks walking around children. its quite shameful. and its why most trans people are suicidal. they don't have a clue what they want in life. mostly attention. they quickly realize that cutting off their d*ck and balls doesn't make them a woman. it just makes them a freak with a severed p*nis


every emotion and decision a person makes can be explained. theres no magic to how a person interacts with others. its all evolution, instincts, dna, psychological etc...


do you think we had god given morality when we were lizards or bacteria forming millions of years ago. do you think god was just waiting around all that time till a few thousand years ago to give us the gift of right and wrong. lol come on.


i think god is more complex than any religion makes him or it out to be. god could be an alien civilization. who knows. god could be 4th dimensional beings. god could be a kid on his computer. god could be ourselves interacting with the past using gravity.

all anyone can say is whether or not they believe in a higher power. to go beyond that and tell people that god gave them abilities is too specific. thats just speculative.

[John_Connor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-hvetQw6sw


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:roll:

[SATAN]

How many times has OP made this thread?

[theman93]

i think our inherited maternal instincts to protect children is what makes us vilify a child rapist. if god truly did give humanity morality then there wouldn't be a section of people that commit these crimes. those people are usually damaged in the head from early childhood development issues. possibly a cycle of abuse physically, emotionally or sexually. possibly all 3. it has nothing to do with god or the devil taking over someones spirit and making them stick their **** in a babies asshole or not. lmao... its definitely more to do with something explainable through clinical psychology. raping women is about power over someone. degrading them. a need for control because they again grew up without the ability to control their own lives. its a way of acting out aggression thats bottled up. same with murderers. its all pretty much tied up to the same things. psychological damage can drive people to do many different things. like become a trans person. a homosexual. nobodies born with these things. homosexuals are almost entirely degenerates by nature. if you watch a gay pride parade its nothing but nude people with hard c*cks walking around children. its quite shameful. and its why most trans people are suicidal. they don't have a clue what they want in life. mostly attention. they quickly realize that cutting off their d*ck and balls doesn't make them a woman. it just makes them a freak with a severed p*nis


every emotion and decision a person makes can be explained. theres no magic to how a person interacts with others. its all evolution, instincts, dna, psychological etc...


do you think we had god given morality when we were lizards or bacteria forming millions of years ago. do you think god was just waiting around all that time till a few thousand years ago to give us the gift of right and wrong. lol come on.


i think god is more complex than any religion makes him or it out to be. god could be an alien civilization. who knows. god could be 4th dimensional beings. god could be a kid on his computer. god could be ourselves interacting with the past using gravity.

all anyone can say is whether or not they believe in a higher power. to go beyond that and tell people that god gave them abilities is too specific. thats just speculative.

You’re attaching the immoral label to those who have “evolved” in the other direction. Why are the one’s who have evolved in the direction opposite of the maternal instinct (and which maternal instinct? The one that justifies killing a baby or keeping a baby) immoral? The way they have evolved, their instincts, their psychology, etc have led them to murder, molest and rape people morally in their minds. Your world view ultimately leads you to a place where you have no argument against any of that if evolution and endorphins are your standard.

[John_Connor]

You’re attaching the immoral label to those who have “evolved” in the other direction. Why are the one’s who have evolved in the direction opposite of the maternal instinct (and which maternal instinct? The one that justifies killing a baby or keeping a baby) immoral? The way they have evolved, their instincts, their psychology, etc have led them to murder, molest and rape people morally in their minds. Your world view ultimately leads you to a place where you have no argument against any of that if evolution and endorphins are your standard.

people are born with the inherited dna's of their ancestors. if their people are aggressive or subhuman garbage, inbred, easily conquered or led, submissive in nature or stubborn then that is how their people will base their decisions on certain things like killing, war, family structure, religion, racial tensions, trust or distrust in others, how they react to alcohol and other deep seeded characteristics. like how natives are lazy push overs that just cry about injustice and no matter how much money we throw at them they still end up using it to buy alcohol and drugs and commit suicide regardless. or how black liberals don't give 2 f*cks about their kids. they either kill them or leave them. starve them or feed them junk. did god give them the wrong moral blessings. no... liberal culture wrecked them and destroyed the black family and gave them victim mentalities. then a cycle of fatherless homes created more and more men that spited their mothers instead of becoming pampered mamas boys like white conservative families that stuck together. liberals are basically living in a black culture built on women and lazy men dependent on handouts as well. a lot of single parent households and abortions going on in that community. is that gods will? does god not teach democrats how to value a childs life or a union? these are learned behaviours over time. none of this has anything to do with god. its social constructs. its culture. its passed down.


it isnt the religion that makes the people. its the people that make the religion. good honest loyal trustworthy self made people with ambition and integrity fall in line with faith because they feel blessed. unfortunate people with anger and spite for the world usually end up atheists... i've never been so angry with the world that i said there isn't a god. i've only ever been spiritual or agnostic and indifferent. i never looked down on anyone with faith in god because i know its a positive ( unless they're batshit crazy muslim. and that isn't their religions fault. its them marrying their cousins. that creates a deficiency )


liberals who abort their children are honestly no different than a child rapist. if anything they're worse. a child can somewhat overcome being raped. they however cannot survive being scrambled into tiny pieces and slowly shat out into a toilet over several weeks after most of its carcass gets scraped by a doctor and tossed into a waste basket. theres no coming back from that. they're finished. their one chance at life is over. you're a murdering bastard son of a b*tch and you deserve to die if you ever choose this after the kid has a confirmed heart beat. you see only some of us have a logical thought process. this is why i only respect conservative/republicans. anything less is subhuman toxic waste.


long story short none of this is gods doing. this is cause and effect

[theman93]

people are born with the inherited dna's of their ancestors. if their people are aggressive or subhuman garbage, inbred, easily conquered or led, submissive in nature or stubborn then that is how their people will base their decisions on certain things like killing, war, family structure, religion, racial tensions, trust or distrust in others, how they react to alcohol and other deep seeded characteristics. like how natives are lazy push overs that just cry about injustice and no matter how much money we throw at them they still end up using it to buy alcohol and drugs and commit suicide regardless. or how black liberals don't give 2 f*cks about their kids. they either kill them or leave them. starve them or feed them junk. did god give them the wrong moral blessings. no... liberal culture wrecked them and destroyed the black family and gave them victim mentalities. then a cycle of fatherless homes created more and more men that spited their mothers instead of becoming pampered mamas boys like white conservative families that stuck together. liberals are basically living in a black culture built on women and lazy men dependent on handouts as well. a lot of single parent households and abortions going on in that community. is that gods will? does god not teach democrats how to value a childs life or a union? these are learned behaviours over time. none of this has anything to do with god. its social constructs. its culture. its passed down.


it isnt the religion that makes the people. its the people that make the religion. good honest loyal trustworthy self made people with ambition and integrity fall in line with faith because they feel blessed. unfortunate people with anger and spite for the world usually end up atheists... i've never been so angry with the world that i said there isn't a god. i've only ever been spiritual or agnostic and indifferent. i never looked down on anyone with faith in god because i know its a positive ( unless they're batshit crazy muslim. and that isn't their religions fault. its them marrying their cousins. that creates a deficiency )


liberals who abort their children are honestly no different than a child rapist. if anything they're worse. a child can somewhat overcome being raped. they however cannot survive being scrambled into tiny pieces and slowly shat out into a toilet over several weeks after most of its carcass gets scraped by a doctor and tossed into a waste basket. theres no coming back from that. they're finished. their one chance at life is over. you're a murdering bastard son of a b*tch and you deserve to die if you ever choose this after the kid has a confirmed heart beat. you see only some of us have a logical thought process. this is why i only respect conservative/republicans. anything less is subhuman toxic waste.


long story short none of this is gods doing. this is cause and effect

Your doing exactly what the people you loath are doing. You’re blaming someone’s environment and ancestors for their decisions and not holding them to personal responsibility.

If a daughter has a mother that aborted many children before her, and the child grows up to have an abortion the daughter is responsible for that act, not the mother.

And I agree those who rape and abort are no different. The problem is that your standard of morality being evolution and endorphins is fallacious as the mother who aborted her child could have evolved for that to be a good and moral thing that also releases endorphins. So you really have no argument against it. You may not like it, but it’s not ultimately wrong in your world view.

[Chick Stern]

why did god create COVID-19?

[John_Connor]

Your doing exactly what the people you loath are doing. You’re blaming someone’s environment and ancestors for their decisions and not holding them to personal responsibility.

If a daughter has a mother that aborted many children before her, and the child grows up to have an abortion the daughter is responsible for that act, not the mother.

And I agree those who rape and abort are no different. The problem is that your standard of morality being evolution and endorphins is fallacious as the mother who aborted her child could have evolved for that to be a good and moral thing that also releases endorphins. So you really have no argument against it. You may not like it, but it’s not ultimately wrong in your world view.

but black people are correct. it is partly the white mans fault for their downfall. but they're blaming the wrong white people. they think its racist republicans when in fact its greedy liberal politicians that just wanna use black people to further their political agendas and use them as pawns. the black family thrived before democrats went to peoples houses promising them welfare, benefits, special treatment. then they pushed the idea of systemic racism to explain why their communities were destroyed by the democratic system. they said its the oppressive white conservative that holds them down and societies racist culture is why their families are now separated and the men have resorted to gang violence and other short cuts. no its actually just a lack of father figures and structure. accountability. faith etc... the white liberal robbed the black community of their pride and integrity. obviously black people need to take some responsibility for this in order to rectify it but its hard breaking out something you've grown accustom to. it was greed that enabled the white liberal to push their handouts onto them.


as for abortions yes partly the daughter is responsible but at the same time shes a product of her upbringing. for instance. if a boy is tortured and abused to the point where he acts out his frustrations by hurting a pet. maybe pulling a cats tail or burning ants, shooting squirrels with slingshots or something. obviously the boy is demented and likely on a path of destruction where he might end up raping or killing someone. and he should be brought to justice. but at the same time you cant say the parent that drove that kid to near insanity didn't play a part in it and isnt also guilty


the point of this is about god being responsible for all of these actions/reactions and its simply not the case. isn't that the point you were trying to make.

most of life is free will. but every so often i think the supernatural plays a part in outcomes. but it seems to me like you are trying to advocate for all good deeds being gods will and all evil doings being the work of the devil. is that how you feel?

[Kungfro]

With all due respect I don't think you're understanding the question. I'm asking for you to give me the justification for what makes something good or evil. By what standard?

Are you really that bothered by the idea of subjective morality?

[Jasper]

I have always stated if there is truly an argument : lets make it simple.

In the universe of stars a planet and living life could easily be better and more technical than ours.
Who is to say that an alien dropped the human race on our planet.
*It would take an awful lot of religious institutions and bury them.

[Patrick Chewing]

I have always stated if there is truly an argument : lets make it simple.

In the universe of stars a planet and living life could easily be better and more technical than ours.
Who is to say that an alien dropped the human race on our planet.
*It would take an awful lot of religious institutions and bury them.

Who or what created the alien race that created us then?

[1987_Lakers]

I have always stated if there is truly an argument : lets make it simple.

In the universe of stars a planet and living life could easily be better and more technical than ours.
Who is to say that an alien dropped the human race on our planet.
*It would take an awful lot of religious institutions and bury them.

I've always pondered this as well. The ancient Sumerians said we were created by an Alien race called the Anunnaki.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uM9wnNqt-A

[theman93]

but black people are correct. it is partly the white mans fault for their downfall. but they're blaming the wrong white people. they think its racist republicans when in fact its greedy liberal politicians that just wanna use black people to further their political agendas and use them as pawns. the black family thrived before democrats went to peoples houses promising them welfare, benefits, special treatment. then they pushed the idea of systemic racism to explain why their communities were destroyed by the democratic system. they said its the oppressive white conservative that holds them down and societies racist culture is why their families are now separated and the men have resorted to gang violence and other short cuts. no its actually just a lack of father figures and structure. accountability. faith etc... the white liberal robbed the black community of their pride and integrity. obviously black people need to take some responsibility for this in order to rectify it but its hard breaking out something you've grown accustom to. it was greed that enabled the white liberal to push their handouts onto them.


as for abortions yes partly the daughter is responsible but at the same time shes a product of her upbringing. for instance. if a boy is tortured and abused to the point where he acts out his frustrations by hurting a pet. maybe pulling a cats tail or burning ants, shooting squirrels with slingshots or something. obviously the boy is demented and likely on a path of destruction where he might end up raping or killing someone. and he should be brought to justice. but at the same time you cant say the parent that drove that kid to near insanity didn't play a part in it and isnt also guilty


the point of this is about god being responsible for all of these actions/reactions and its simply not the case. isn't that the point you were trying to make.

most of life is free will. but every so often i think the supernatural plays a part in outcomes. but it seems to me like you are trying to advocate for all good deeds being gods will and all evil doings being the work of the devil. is that how you feel?

Of course a person's environment plays a role in that person's life, but at the end of the day you don't do anything unless you decide to do it. Ultimately you are responsible for your own actions regardless of your environment. To say otherwise would be like saying all of those who took part in owning and abusing slaves are just product of their environment and bear no responsibility for violating image bearers of God. Each individual made the conscious decision to either partake in that or break from societal norms and not partake in it.

And no my point was never God is responsible for everyone's actions, individuals are responsible for what they do with the life they are given.

Ultimately my position is that God's revelation is the standard to know good and to know evil. He has written his law on our hearts and there is no justification for morality apart from Him.

[theman93]

Are you really that bothered by the idea of subjective morality?

I'm not bothered by it at all, I'm simply asking for a justification for it. :confusedshrug:

[John_Connor]

Of course a person's environment plays a role in that person's life, but at the end of the day you don't do anything unless you decide to do it. Ultimately you are responsible for your own actions regardless of your environment. To say otherwise would be like saying all of those who took part in owning and abusing slaves are just product of their environment and bear no responsibility for violating image bearers of God. Each individual made the conscious decision to either partake in that or break from societal norms and not partake in it.

And no my point was never God is responsible for everyone's actions, individuals are responsible for what they do with the life they are given.

Ultimately my position is that God's revelation is the standard to know good and to know evil. He has written his law on our hearts and there is no justification for morality apart from Him.

well theres a problem with your logic. cause under current laws people aren't responsible for their own choices in certain cases

like

1. coercion
2. entrapment
3. blackmail
4. self defense
5. neurological disorders
6. intoxication
7. emotional abuse


all of these and more have been used to absolve guilt of individuals or pass blame


as for slaves personally i believe that people in general were less evolved and up until that point slaves were used around the world since the beginning of humanity. and an argument can be made that their property was stolen and slave owners are in fact the ones deserving of reparations. but obviously thats entirely opinion based like any moral opinion. the old testament is a good example of how times change and peoples opinion of right and wrong changes. who knows. maybe in another 300 years we will think of marriage as a type of slavery or having pets as a type of slavery. or maybe the age of consent changes again and people that married and impregnated people under the age of 25 will be considered pedophiles to future generations and suddenly they will be considered evil. a scientific argument can be made for that since our brains aren't fully developed before that age.


so its impossible to say what god believes is right and wrong. it used to say in the bible - "slaves obey your earthly masters as though they were jesus"

it also used to say "smash your enemies kids heads against rocks" and "if a man rapes a woman he must pay her father 50 pieces of silver and marry her"


so yeah. god can't keep up with our bullshit societies that can't make up their mind. and its different all around the world. you think god has different rules for muslims that marry 12/13 year olds?

they throw gays off buildings. its literally in the quran. in their hearts and minds that isn't evil to them. its also not evil for them to rape non muslim women. they're infidels. they have no rights under god. their own women barely have rights under god

so yeah its all circumstantial and opinion/culture based. there is no one set of laws under god

[theman93]

well theres a problem with your logic. cause under current laws people aren't responsible for their own choices in certain cases

like

1. coercion
2. entrapment
3. blackmail
4. self defense
5. neurological disorders
6. intoxication
7. emotional abuse


all of these and more have been used to absolve guilt of individuals or pass blame


as for slaves personally i believe that people in general were less evolved and up until that point slaves were used around the world since the beginning of humanity. and an argument can be made that their property was stolen and slave owners are in fact the ones deserving of reparations. but obviously thats entirely opinion based like any moral opinion. the old testament is a good example of how times change and peoples opinion of right and wrong changes. who knows. maybe in another 300 years we will think of marriage as a type of slavery or having pets as a type of slavery. or maybe the age of consent changes again and people that married and impregnated people under the age of 25 will be considered pedophiles to future generations and suddenly they will be considered evil. a scientific argument can be made for that since our brains aren't fully developed before that age.


so its impossible to say what god believes is right and wrong. it used to say in the bible - "slaves obey your earthly masters as though they were jesus"

it also used to say "smash your enemies kids heads against rocks" and "if a man rapes a woman he must pay her father 50 pieces of silver and marry her"


so yeah. god can't keep up with our bullshit societies that can't make up their mind. and its different all around the world. you think god has different rules for muslims that marry 12/13 year olds?

they throw gays off buildings. its literally in the quran. in their hearts and minds that isn't evil to them. its also not evil for them to rape non muslim women. they're infidels. they have no rights under god. their own women barely have rights under god

so yeah its all circumstantial and opinion/culture based. there is no one set of laws under god

Sure maybe under current law in the US. But what about the laws in China? South Africa? Australia? Nazi Germany? What if those laws change? Which law is correct and why?

Your just proof reading the text. It's pretty clear you haven't dug to understand the context of those verses.

Either way, none of those things would be wrong (how your reading them) anyways in your world view. Anybody can do anything and it be moral if they get enough endorphins.

The whole evolved enough argument has always been a poor one. There's not a morality to evolve towards. There's just things that happen when you remove God who sets an objective moral standard from the picture. We're all just bags of nerves floating around the cosmos bumping in to each other. Abortion, molestation, rape, murder...it's all just goo bouncing off goo.

[Chick Stern]

Sure maybe under current law in the US. But what about the laws in China? South Africa? Australia? Nazi Germany? What if those laws change? Which law is correct and why?

Your just proof reading the text. It's pretty clear you haven't dug to understand the context of those verses.

Either way, none of those things would be wrong (how your reading them) anyways in your world view. Anybody can do anything and it be moral if they get enough endorphins.

The whole evolved enough argument has always been a poor one. There's not a morality to evolve towards. There's just things that happen when you remove God who sets an objective moral standard from the picture. We're all just bags of nerves floating around the cosmos bumping in to each other. Abortion, molestation, rape, murder...it's all just goo bouncing off goo.

laws do change, all the time. Morals do as well.

[theman93]

laws do change, all the time. Morals do as well.

So you would agree that it's sometimes a good and moral thing to rape a child?

[Chick Stern]

So you would agree that it's sometimes a good and moral thing to rape a child?

As usual, a zealot takes a giant, delusional leap of correlation.

No I don’t. The bible however, does.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
—Psalm 137:9

But he would not listen to her; and being stronger than she, he forced her and lay with her.
— 2 Samuel 13:14

[highwhey]

As usual, a zealot takes a giant, delusional leap of correlation.

No I don’t. The bible however, does.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
—Psalm 137:9

But he would not listen to her; and being stronger than she, he forced her and lay with her.
— 2 Samuel 13:14

typical liberal, taking a verse out of context. you have no idea what the first text is referring to. hint: not about rape. babilon was sacked, the kids were killed...that's what the verse is telling...those kids got their heads bashed into rocks. :facepalm

2nd text, it's telling the story about a prince that raped his brother's wife. it's not encouraging it, it;s literally telling the story about the events.

go back 2 reddit nerd.

[John_Connor]

Sure maybe under current law in the US. But what about the laws in China? South Africa? Australia? Nazi Germany? What if those laws change? Which law is correct and why?

Your just proof reading the text. It's pretty clear you haven't dug to understand the context of those verses.

Either way, none of those things would be wrong (how your reading them) anyways in your world view. Anybody can do anything and it be moral if they get enough endorphins.

The whole evolved enough argument has always been a poor one. There's not a morality to evolve towards. There's just things that happen when you remove God who sets an objective moral standard from the picture. We're all just bags of nerves floating around the cosmos bumping in to each other. Abortion, molestation, rape, murder...it's all just goo bouncing off goo.

you're just continuously proving my point for me. laws are different everywhere and in every time. every religion has different ones. every culture has different morals. i lean towards there being a god but man made religion is just absurd. a cross to me a sign of faith and sacrifice for your beliefs. if anyone actually thinks there was a levitating undead zombie magician walking on water and healing the blind. turning water into wine etc... then theres something seriously wrong with you. religion has some benefits for the mentally weak. it can act as a crutch and instil fear in those without a moral compass. it can also provide answers for people who need to know everything about the universe because they feel vulnerable and insignificant. thinking you might die and go nowhere and cease to exist can be a scary thought. but you don't need religion to believe in an afterlife. there are more practical belief systems.

you can't honestly believe god sent his one and only son or prophet down to some middle eastern desert with a bunch of jews or muslims to tell people not to rape or kill. then die for the sins of adam and eve cause they ate an apple or rape a child and tell people whats what or he'l shoot them with fireballs. and yes i know not everything in the bible is meant to be taken seriously. like everything is metaphors ok. and in the quran maybe adam wasn't actually 98 feet tall and maybe mountains aren't just here to keep the planet from flying into space. but man you gotta give yourself more credit. evolution doesn't just effect our bodies. it also effects our judgement. neanderthals/cromagnon man is a reality. they did exist. so did dinosaurs. and no jesus wasn't riding them like a horse. they weren't his pets either. they were here before us.

humans have a 3rd nictitating membrane in our eyes from when we were lizards. we still have remnants of a tail. when we get spooked our hairs on our arms stick up because when humans had fur it would puff out like a cat that wants to look bigger and tougher to its enemy. we can also still move our ears with muscles from when we could point them at something to focus on them like an animal does. then theres organs we had to digest raw meat. incisors to rip flesh. and the front of our skulls are extra strong from when he butted heads with other lesser evolved creatures. evolution is literally going on right now with penguins, whales, dolphins and otters. they're all in the middle of a transition from land to sea. you need a more practical outlook on things. try reading a book or something ( other than the bible )





So you would agree that it's sometimes a good and moral thing to rape a child?

the prophet Muhammad raped children


unless you think it was ok for them because of the lowered life expectancy at the time. in that case should someone with a terminal illness that isn't expected to live past 25-30 be able to have sex with 6-9 year olds?


and i don't even think muhammad was that age when he died. sources say he was in his 50's when he married aisha

and if you think muslims don't count then mother mary was between 12-14 when she had jesus. is that ok? is god a pedo?

[Lakers Legend#32]

LOL at the sheep who believe the magical invisible man in the sky micromanages 7 billion peoples lives.:oldlol:

[Axe]

LeGod is the only sincere god here..

[Gohan]

Yall will be surprised by this but i can confirm god is actually a female. Im not talking bout that crappy ass ariana grande song either. She is also the finest woman BY FAR in the universe. Im being serious too

[theman93]

you're just continuously proving my point for me. laws are different everywhere and in every time. every religion has different ones. every culture has different morals. i lean towards there being a god but man made religion is just absurd. a cross to me a sign of faith and sacrifice for your beliefs. if anyone actually thinks there was a levitating undead zombie magician walking on water and healing the blind. turning water into wine etc... then theres something seriously wrong with you. religion has some benefits for the mentally weak. it can act as a crutch and instil fear in those without a moral compass. it can also provide answers for people who need to know everything about the universe because they feel vulnerable and insignificant. thinking you might die and go nowhere and cease to exist can be a scary thought. but you don't need religion to believe in an afterlife. there are more practical belief systems.

you can't honestly believe god sent his one and only son or prophet down to some middle eastern desert with a bunch of jews or muslims to tell people not to rape or kill. then die for the sins of adam and eve cause they ate an apple or rape a child and tell people whats what or he'l shoot them with fireballs. and yes i know not everything in the bible is meant to be taken seriously. like everything is metaphors ok. and in the quran maybe adam wasn't actually 98 feet tall and maybe mountains aren't just here to keep the planet from flying into space. but man you gotta give yourself more credit. evolution doesn't just effect our bodies. it also effects our judgement. neanderthals/cromagnon man is a reality. they did exist. so did dinosaurs. and no jesus wasn't riding them like a horse. they weren't his pets either. they were here before us.

humans have a 3rd nictitating membrane in our eyes from when we were lizards. we still have remnants of a tail. when we get spooked our hairs on our arms stick up because when humans had fur it would puff out like a cat that wants to look bigger and tougher to its enemy. we can also still move our ears with muscles from when we could point them at something to focus on them like an animal does. then theres organs we had to digest raw meat. incisors to rip flesh. and the front of our skulls are extra strong from when he butted heads with other lesser evolved creatures. evolution is literally going on right now with penguins, whales, dolphins and otters. they're all in the middle of a transition from land to sea. you need a more practical outlook on things. try reading a book or something ( other than the bible )






the prophet Muhammad raped children


unless you think it was ok for them because of the lowered life expectancy at the time. in that case should someone with a terminal illness that isn't expected to live past 25-30 be able to have sex with 6-9 year olds?


and i don't even think muhammad was that age when he died. sources say he was in his 50's when he married aisha

and if you think muslims don't count then mother mary was between 12-14 when she had jesus. is that ok? is god a pedo?

You believe fish turned in to philosophers, so none of what you’re saying about the Bible is as far fetched as your trying to make it out to be. Miracles are happening every day and all around you in your world view.

What it comes down to though with your agnosticism is that ultimately you don’t know. But here you are making truth claims. You have no certainty about anything but live as though you do. You say with your chest out that mom’s who murder their children are sub-human scum and deserve to die. But that can’t be true at all with your agnosticism because you don’t know anything.

[theman93]

As usual, a zealot takes a giant, delusional leap of correlation.

No I don’t. The bible however, does.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
—Psalm 137:9

But he would not listen to her; and being stronger than she, he forced her and lay with her.
— 2 Samuel 13:14

No it’s not I’m just going off what you told me - morals change. Which means molesting children or raping women is actually good and moral from time to time.

And as usual, you are proof reading the text. What the Bible says has nothing to do with your position.

Defend your position that morals change without using the Bible.

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/ctPViK3LK-o




:roll::roll:::roll:

[iamgine]

Yes because if there is no God, everything is meaningless.

[Jasper]

Who or what created the alien race that created us then?

good point , I don't have an answer , but science has us humans climbing out of oceans as an evolution to mankind.

Who created aliens is a great question , but we still don't know who or what they are.
(I believe they exist , because science says likely hood is a high percentage)

I am like usual trying to open peoples eyes to alternative ideas instead that this or that is locked in stone.
I believe there was Jesus Christ , but is he our savior ?? (Son of god ??)

Muslim's believe there is a god .
Buddha was not a spirit but an actual being as was Jesus.
Taoism believes each individual is their own god as 'ones self'

[Jasper]

Yes because if there is no God, everything is meaningless.

then less than meaning has meaning

[Draz]

Something didn't just come out of nothing.

That's the most basic best answer you can give.

There's something higher out there that created all of this.

[Patrick Chewing]

I just want to point out that the 5 people who have voted that they DO NOT believe in God so far, happen to be Liberal.

[John_Connor]

You believe fish turned in to philosophers, so none of what you’re saying about the Bible is as far fetched as your trying to make it out to be. Miracles are happening every day and all around you in your world view.

What it comes down to though with your agnosticism is that ultimately you don’t know. But here you are making truth claims. You have no certainty about anything but live as though you do. You say with your chest out that mom’s who murder their children are sub-human scum and deserve to die. But that can’t be true at all with your agnosticism because you don’t know anything.

ummmm. theres evidence of evolution in us and other species and fossils. how is this as far fetched as talking snakes, immaculate conception, levitation, breaking natural laws of physics and raising from the dead. what? so you actually believe the entire planet came from 2 people inbreeding like 6000 years ago. we would all look the same and have serious genetic defects. unless you believe that God punished us and sent us to different parts of the globe and changed our appearances to create other ethnicities as punishment for trying to build a ladder to heaven


come on man. :lol

[theman93]

ummmm. theres evidence of evolution in us and other species and fossils. how is this as far fetched as talking snakes, immaculate conception, levitation, breaking natural laws of physics and raising from the dead. what? so you actually believe the entire planet came from 2 people inbreeding like 6000 years ago. we would all look the same and have serious genetic defects. unless you believe that God punished us and sent us to different parts of the globe and changed our appearances to create other ethnicities as punishment for trying to build a ladder to heaven


come on man. :lol

Evidence =/= Proof

And absolutely. Humans tracing back to a human common ancestor isn’t far fetched at all. I would argue all of life deriving from a single cell organism is way more far fetched than that.

Breaking laws of physics, talking snakes (even talking donkeys), immaculate conception, and all the rest isn’t far fetched at all in your world view. Remember, you’re an agnostic with no certainty of anything. Without God you have no certainty that the next 5 seconds will be like the last because you can’t even justify the grounds for science you are clinging to.

[Chick Stern]

typical liberal, taking a verse out of context. you have no idea what the first text is referring to. hint: not about rape. babilon was sacked, the kids were killed...that's what the verse is telling...those kids got their heads bashed into rocks. :facepalm

2nd text, it's telling the story about a prince that raped his brother's wife. it's not encouraging it, it;s literally telling the story about the events.

go back 2 reddit nerd.

The old “context”....
don’t you believe the bible is infallible divine authority in all matters upon which it touches?!
and thanks for the unasked for bible class, but I am quite well versed in it - for example, the second verse is about a guy who rapes his virginal child sister, not his brothers wife.

[Gohan]

I just want to point out that the 5 people who have voted that they DO NOT believe in God so far, happen to be Liberal.

Main reason i cant fvck with liberals

[Lakers Legend#32]

I just want to point out that the 5 people who have voted that they DO NOT believe in God so far, happen to be Liberal.

That's because we do our own thinking. We don't let the church make decisions for us.

[n00bie]

I believe there has to be a God that started it all, but I don't believe it's any God that our current religions worship.

[Gohan]

I believe there has to be a God that started it all, but I don't believe it's any God that our current religions worship.
Smart fellow

[Patrick Chewing]

That's because we do our own thinking. We don't let the church make decisions for us.

:roll:

And what church does God belong to? God only pertains to Christians? For someone who does their own thinking, you don't know jack shit about God.

[John_Connor]

Evidence =/= Proof

And absolutely. Humans tracing back to a human common ancestor isn’t far fetched at all. I would argue all of life deriving from a single cell organism is way more far fetched than that.

Breaking laws of physics, talking snakes (even talking donkeys), immaculate conception, and all the rest isn’t far fetched at all in your world view. Remember, you’re an agnostic with no certainty of anything. Without God you have no certainty that the next 5 seconds will be like the last because you can’t even justify the grounds for science you are clinging to.

life began on earth in many places around the earth. the first proteins adapted to their surroundings and evolved over time. changed to fit it's climate and for feeding, procreation, survival etc... they all branched out into different types of creatures and they changed with the planet over millions of years. different levels of oxygen made things oversized during the dinosaur period. just going to space changes our bone density and muscle mass so much over the course of a year that it would be like surviving a car wreck and having to go through physical therapy for a long time just to get back to normal.

our bodies adapt so much over a short period of time that over millions of years it's not far fetched at all to believe we were something completely different and had bodies more adapted to survival. our current bodies wouldn't survive in the wild without basic technology. we've regressed so much and become so dependent on innovations that we're basically helpless now without it. why do you think people with down syndrome have retard strength. that condition fits them with added muscle mass to compensate for their lack the intelligence. it's a survival mechanism. they can overpower the average person. just looking at Africans you can tell they evolved the ability to run long distances because they have no other modes of transportation usually.

white people regressed physically over time due to wealth and technological advancements. to say it's impossible for us to come from another kind of looking mammal is just blind faith denial. like I said how else do you explain penguins, whales, dolphins, otters etc... theyre literally changing from birds, dogs and other land animals into fish out of survival.

[theman93]

life began on earth in many places around the earth. the first proteins adapted to their surroundings and evolved over time. changed to fit it's climate and for feeding, procreation, survival etc... they all branched out into different types of creatures and they changed with the planet over millions of years. different levels of oxygen made things oversized during the dinosaur period. just going to space changes our bone density and muscle mass so much over the course of a year that it would be like surviving a car wreck and having to go through physical therapy for a long time just to get back to normal.

our bodies adapt so much over a short period of time that over millions of years it's not far fetched at all to believe we were something completely different and had bodies more adapted to survival. our current bodies wouldn't survive in the wild without basic technology. we've regressed so much and become so dependent on innovations that we're basically helpless now without it. why do you think people with down syndrome have retard strength. that condition fits them with added muscle mass to compensate for their lack the intelligence. it's a survival mechanism. they can overpower the average person. just looking at Africans you can tell they evolved the ability to run long distances because they have no other modes of transportation usually.

white people regressed physically over time due to wealth and technological advancements. to say it's impossible for us to come from another kind of looking mammal is just blind faith denial. like I said how else do you explain penguins, whales, dolphins, otters etc... theyre literally changing from birds, dogs and other land animals into fish out of survival.

I'm not the one with blind faith my friend, that would be you and you've exemplified that this entire time. You're an agnostic making truth claims, but your world view doesn't allow for that. Your world view is a self-refutation to all your knowledge claims because as an agnostic, you ultimately don't know. And because you don't know, you live by blind faith.

As a Christian I have certainty through God's revelation to man.

[John_Connor]

I'm not the one with blind faith my friend, that would be you and you've exemplified that this entire time. You're an agnostic making truth claims, but your world view doesn't allow for that. Your world view is a self-refutation to all your knowledge claims because as an agnostic, you ultimately don't know. And because you don't know, you live by blind faith.

As a Christian I have certainty through God's revelation to man.

how am I the one with blind faith. I'm mostly agnostic. I'm neither for or against anything thats equiprobable like the existence of God. it's impossible to say God exists or doesn't. it's completely faith based. but with evolution it's a scientific fact. there's dna testing and links between humans and it's ancestors. to not lean in favor of this as the most likely truth is just being ignorant.

most of the Bible and Qurans stories are scientifically impossible or proven false. when determining the truth in a court of law you must find holes in the other case to disqualify it. you can pretty much deny the entirety of man made religions just by proving their word isn't credible. like with any witness testimony if they have holes and contradictions then they lose the trust of the judge and jury. science is forever making new discoveries and has shown it is more logical in correcting itself. it has an honest and agreeable stance on history. it doesn't have an agenda. religion however is in denial. there is a denial of fact. the same tests done to solve crimes that send murderers and rapists to jail are the ones being used to find out our own beginnings of humanity.

it's silly to just say science is faith based. it's not infallible and most things are theory but there is at least a bases of truth based on a 99.9% accuracy. people try to pass off carbon dating as completely false due to it having an a possible error of 1 or 2% for finding exact years. but I mean overall it's damn good at predicting when something existed. bone density through aging can't be denied. after so many years it turns into fossilized rock almost. there's so much evidence of civilizations that pre date your religious era that had modern technology like light bulbs, batteries, tesla wireless power. you obviously have absolutely no grasp on history or science. you need religion to feel safe. I don't.

[SATAN]

I'm not the one with blind faith my friend, that would be you and you've exemplified that this entire time. You're an agnostic making truth claims, but your world view doesn't allow for that. Your world view is a self-refutation to all your knowledge claims because as an agnostic, you ultimately don't know. And because you don't know, you live by blind faith.

As a Christian I have certainty through God's revelation to man.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

[SATAN]

Most religious folk are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They are too brainwashed to see past the limitations they willfully place on their minds. Engaging with them is a complete waste of time.

[Jasper]

the big bang theory has become more legit over the years of the creation of the universe ...

So maybe we are in gods head .

Prove me wrong.
Lets start with Patrick.

[theman93]

how am I the one with blind faith. I'm mostly agnostic. I'm neither for or against anything thats equiprobable like the existence of God. it's impossible to say God exists or doesn't. it's completely faith based. but with evolution it's a scientific fact. there's dna testing and links between humans and it's ancestors. to not lean in favor of this as the most likely truth is just being ignorant.

most of the Bible and Qurans stories are scientifically impossible or proven false. when determining the truth in a court of law you must find holes in the other case to disqualify it. you can pretty much deny the entirety of man made religions just by proving their word isn't credible. like with any witness testimony if they have holes and contradictions then they lose the trust of the judge and jury. science is forever making new discoveries and has shown it is more logical in correcting itself. it has an honest and agreeable stance on history. it doesn't have an agenda. religion however is in denial. there is a denial of fact. the same tests done to solve crimes that send murderers and rapists to jail are the ones being used to find out our own beginnings of humanity.

it's silly to just say science is faith based. it's not infallible and most things are theory but there is at least a bases of truth based on a 99.9% accuracy. people try to pass off carbon dating as completely false due to it having an a possible error of 1 or 2% for finding exact years. but I mean overall it's damn good at predicting when something existed. bone density through aging can't be denied. after so many years it turns into fossilized rock almost. there's so much evidence of civilizations that pre date your religious era that had modern technology like light bulbs, batteries, tesla wireless power. you obviously have absolutely no grasp on history or science. you need religion to feel safe. I don't.

You live by blind faith because you are an agnostic. An agnostic doesn't know anything. So you don't get to make truth claims about origins, morality, logic, science, or reason. In fact you just admitted your position - "it's impossible to say God exists or doesn't. it's completely faith based." Everything I've argued could very well be true in your world view because it's impossible for you to say that God doesn't exist. You simply just don't know, so you live by complete and total blind faith.

I never said science is faith based at all. Science is a methodology that requires uniformity in nature and the principle of induction to perform the scientific method. Given your agnosticism, justify the preconditions necessary for uniformity in nature and the principle of induction to even start to do science in the first place.

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Most religious folk are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They are too brainwashed to see past the limitations they willfully place on their minds. Engaging with them is a complete waste of time.

God and religion are two different things, genius.

[SATAN]

God and religion are two different things, genius.

What does that have to do with what I wrote, ****face?

[John_Connor]

You live by blind faith because you are an agnostic. An agnostic doesn't know anything. So you don't get to make truth claims about origins, morality, logic, science, or reason. In fact you just admitted your position - "it's impossible to say God exists or doesn't. it's completely faith based." Everything I've argued could very well be true in your world view because it's impossible for you to say that God doesn't exist. You simply just don't know, so you live by complete and total blind faith.

I never said science is faith based at all. Science is a methodology that requires uniformity in nature and the principle of induction to perform the scientific method. Given your agnosticism, justify the preconditions necessary for uniformity in nature and the principle of induction to even start to do science in the first place.

1. agnosticism isn't blind faith at all. in fact it's the exact opposite. you're completely ignorant to basic definitions and language so I dunno why I'm even talking to you

2. I'm not making claims. I'm citing facts presented by scientists with degrees that use proven methods

3. God and religion are 2 completely different things. one is an idea that can literally be any number of things according to each individual as long as it's a type of higher power that gives life. so technically the sun could be our God. like I said earlier in this thread God could be a kid playing an advanced version of mine craft. we could be an experiment in some advanced life's school project in a dish... religion on the other hand is some stories told by thousands of different cultures around the world. theyre all different and have major plot holes. it's childish kids books collected and reworked over thousands of years and perfected to fit the society and time it exists in. there is no suspended disbelief possible unless our reality is a lie and everything that has disproven these stories is smoke and mirrors to dissuade us from faith in religious texts. and some of you actually do this and say science is the devil lol. you're pathetic.


4. that last paragraph you typed out is complete nonsense. but I will try and decipher it


quote:
"I never said science is faith based at all (Yes you did) Science is a methodology that requires uniformity in nature (No it isn't. Uniformity = "remaining the same in all cases and at all times; unchanging in form or character." how in the hell is scientific theory never changing or growing. thats completely absurd)and the principle of induction to perform the scientific method (again how are implementations of scientific methods never changing? lol wtf). Given your agnosticism, justify the preconditions necessary for uniformity in nature and the principle of induction to even start to do science in the first place."(ok so by definition you want me to ---->>>>justify a condition that must be fulfilled before other things can happen to remain the same in all cases unchanging in form or character in regards to the process of giving rise to science<<<----? wtf kind of drugs are you on lol


basically you want science to make perfect sense to you in order to take it seriously and for it to be never changing...but you'll completely devote yourself to religion that has 1/1000000000th the amount of llegitimacy and is always making corrections but never based on data research or breakthrough. your people just rewrite it if they don't like what they see.

you're out if your element

[Patrick Chewing]

What does that have to do with what I wrote, ****face?

This is merely a thread asking about the belief in God or a higher power, and your primitive caveman ass is talking about religion. Focus, ****face.

[theman93]

1. agnosticism isn't blind faith at all. in fact it's the exact opposite. you're completely ignorant to basic definitions and language so I dunno why I'm even talking to you

2. I'm not making claims. I'm citing facts presented by scientists with degrees that use proven methods

3. God and religion are 2 completely different things. one is an idea that can literally be any number of things according to each individual as long as it's a type of higher power that gives life. so technically the sun could be our God. like I said earlier in this thread God could be a kid playing an advanced version of mine craft. we could be an experiment in some advanced life's school project in a dish... religion on the other hand is some stories told by thousands of different cultures around the world. theyre all different and have major plot holes. it's childish kids books collected and reworked over thousands of years and perfected to fit the society and time it exists in. there is no suspended disbelief possible unless our reality is a lie and everything that has disproven these stories is smoke and mirrors to dissuade us from faith in religious texts. and some of you actually do this and say science is the devil lol. you're pathetic.


4. that last paragraph you typed out is complete nonsense. but I will try and decipher it


quote:
"I never said science is faith based at all (Yes you did) Science is a methodology that requires uniformity in nature (No it isn't. Uniformity = "remaining the same in all cases and at all times; unchanging in form or character." how in the hell is scientific theory never changing or growing. thats completely absurd)and the principle of induction to perform the scientific method (again how are implementations of scientific methods never changing? lol wtf). Given your agnosticism, justify the preconditions necessary for uniformity in nature and the principle of induction to even start to do science in the first place."(ok so by definition you want me to ---->>>>justify a condition that must be fulfilled before other things can happen to remain the same in all cases unchanging in form or character in regards to the process of giving rise to science<<<----? wtf kind of drugs are you on lol


basically you want science to make perfect sense to you in order to take it seriously and for it to be never changing...but you'll completely devote yourself to religion that has 1/1000000000th the amount of llegitimacy and is always making corrections but never based on data research or breakthrough. your people just rewrite it if they don't like what they see.

you're out if your element


It's pretty obvious you don't understand how science even works or understand what the scientific method even is.

Science observes repeated patterns in nature. In order for there to be repeated patterns in nature, nature must be uniform. There must be governing laws or you can't even do science. For example, water freezes at 32 degrees. If you jump, you will land. If you put your hand on a 400 degree burning stove, you will burn.

Given your agnosticism, I'm asking you to give a justification to the uniformity in nature (the necessary precondition) in order for you to even do the scientific method your are basing your entire world view on. Where does the uniformity in nature and the principle of induction originate to even do science in your agnostic world view? How do you know? Give a justification for origins with your agnosticism.

[John_Connor]

It's pretty obvious you don't understand how science even works or understand what the scientific method even is.



what scientific method



Science observes repeated patterns in nature.



thats 1 out of a million examples of science and sometimes it observes differences in nature as well. not just repeated.




In order for there to be repeated patterns in nature, nature must be uniform.



whos talking about repeated patterns. and nature is forever changing. what specific thing are you even talking about. you're using too many broad generalizations.




There must be governing laws



yeah like the laws of physics. a science. you know what goes against that? religion. levitating zombie magicians etc...




or you can't even do science.



do what kind of science? be more specific. we're always discovering new things. the theory of relativity was only discovered like 120 years ago. string theory was discovered in the 1960s. black holes were discovered in 1971. the van allen belt was discovereds in 1958. the laws of the universe and science aren't set in stone yet.




For example, water freezes at 32 degrees. If you jump, you will land. If you put your hand on a 400 degree burning stove, you will burn.



what if you're wearing a thermal glove. what if you're on the moon. what if you're cold blooded. what if you have an insulated glove. what if you're in outer space. different elements and conditions effect all of these things. theres always variables in science. saying because you think one thing is a fact and a law so all things must be facts and laws and absolute is just absurd. everything in science is theory with probability factors and percentages. always leave open the possibility of you being wrong. i only said i learn towards believing in evolution because the current science provided is overwhelmingly in favor of it. i said theres a slight chance that it could all be smoke and mirrors by the devil. but to BELIEVE that means you're a clown. if it turns out i'm incorrect when i die then so be it. but at least i can hold my head up and say i wasn't a complete moron before realizing magic is real in death. have some shame ffs





Given your agnosticism,




do you even know what agnosticism means. do you think its the same as atheism. because that means the denial of an existence of what can't be proven. agnosticism means you neither deny or believe in what cannot be proven. i have no decision on god. i just give there a chance of it existing. religion i give very little chance of validity because its proven adam and eve never existed. its proven the earth is more than 6000 years old. its proven humans have been around for 100,000 years+. its proven we evolved from cro magnon man. its proven we eradicated the neanderthals, its proven dinosaurs existed. its proven through the laws of physics that no one can levitate. no one can have an immaculate conception. its proven that snakes can't talk. its proven that our adams apple isn't an apple core. if you can prove the science behind these findings are incorrect then i'l admit defeat.




I'm asking you to give a justification to the uniformity in nature



uniformity in nature how? what are you even referring to. what aspect of nature. because everything changes over time. are you talking about the fundamentals of the universe? because time speeds up and slows down according to the gravity effecting it. that isn't a law set in stone by god. does it say anything in the bible about that?


(the necessary precondition) in order for you to even do the scientific method your are basing your entire world view on.




i don't base my entire world view on science. science is fallible. its theory. i'm not 100% certain in anything. just say which answer is most likely true and with some things i'm almost in the middle like with the existence of god. thats almost 50/50 to me. so how am i basing my existence on that when i haven't even decided yet. it can change day to day tbh. i've changed a few times during my life.


Where does the uniformity in nature and the principle of induction originate



1. that idea is a non existent reality and even if it were true i cannot answer it because some answers aren't known to man yet and just saying "its gods will" to anything you don't understand is just ignorant and lazy


to even do science in your agnostic world view?



agnosticism is really only for the unknown. its a non commitment. again i don't think you know anything about the words or their meanings you're debating.


How do you know?




i don't and neither do you. but i'm probably more likely to be correct in my assumptions. you sound like a retard


Give a justification for origins with your agnosticism.

again you don't even know the definition of agnosticism because asking someone to explain unknown origins of the universe by using agnosticism is an oxymoron


you're not educated enough to be talking about this. stop

[SATAN]

This is merely a thread asking about the belief in God or a higher power, and your primitive caveman ass is talking about religion. Focus, ****face.

Religion had been mentioned, ****face.

[theman93]

what scientific method



thats 1 out of a million examples of science and sometimes it observes differences in nature as well. not just repeated.



whos talking about repeated patterns. and nature is forever changing. what specific thing are you even talking about. you're using too many broad generalizations.



yeah like the laws of physics. a science. you know what goes against that? religion. levitating zombie magicians etc...



do what kind of science? be more specific. we're always discovering new things. the theory of relativity was only discovered like 120 years ago. string theory was discovered in the 1960s. black holes were discovered in 1971. the van allen belt was discovereds in 1958. the laws of the universe and science aren't set in stone yet.



what if you're wearing a thermal glove. what if you're on the moon. what if you're cold blooded. what if you have an insulated glove. what if you're in outer space. different elements and conditions effect all of these things. theres always variables in science. saying because you think one thing is a fact and a law so all things must be facts and laws and absolute is just absurd. everything in science is theory with probability factors and percentages. always leave open the possibility of you being wrong. i only said i learn towards believing in evolution because the current science provided is overwhelmingly in favor of it. i said theres a slight chance that it could all be smoke and mirrors by the devil. but to BELIEVE that means you're a clown. if it turns out i'm incorrect when i die then so be it. but at least i can hold my head up and say i wasn't a complete moron before realizing magic is real in death. have some shame ffs



do you even know what agnosticism means. do you think its the same as atheism. because that means the denial of an existence of what can't be proven. agnosticism means you neither deny or believe in what cannot be proven. i have no decision on god. i just give there a chance of it existing. religion i give very little chance of validity because its proven adam and eve never existed. its proven the earth is more than 6000 years old. its proven humans have been around for 100,000 years+. its proven we evolved from cro magnon man. its proven we eradicated the neanderthals, its proven dinosaurs existed. its proven through the laws of physics that no one can levitate. no one can have an immaculate conception. its proven that snakes can't talk. its proven that our adams apple isn't an apple core. if you can prove the science behind these findings are incorrect then i'l admit defeat.



uniformity in nature how? what are you even referring to. what aspect of nature. because everything changes over time. are you talking about the fundamentals of the universe? because time speeds up and slows down according to the gravity effecting it. that isn't a law set in stone by god. does it say anything in the bible about that?




i don't base my entire world view on science. science is fallible. its theory. i'm not 100% certain in anything. just say which answer is most likely true and with some things i'm almost in the middle like with the existence of god. thats almost 50/50 to me. so how am i basing my existence on that when i haven't even decided yet. it can change day to day tbh. i've changed a few times during my life.



1. that idea is a non existent reality and even if it were true i cannot answer it because some answers aren't known to man yet and just saying "its gods will" to anything you don't understand is just ignorant and lazy



agnosticism is really only for the unknown. its a non commitment. again i don't think you know anything about the words or their meanings you're debating.




i don't and neither do you. but i'm probably more likely to be correct in my assumptions. you sound like a retard



again you don't even know the definition of agnosticism because asking someone to explain unknown origins of the universe by using agnosticism is an oxymoron


you're not educated enough to be talking about this. stop

I know your not which is is what I’ve been saying all along and why your position is reduced to absurdity. You’ll make fun of “zombie magicians” but it’s certainly a possibility in your world view because you can’t have certainty about anything. You don’t know if you’ll start to float away when you wake up tomorrow. You don’t know if it’s wrong to kill a baby. You don’t know if 2+2 will always equal 4. This is the position of the agnostic at the core.

[John_Connor]

I know your not which is is what I’ve been saying all along and why your position is reduced to absurdity. You’ll make fun of “zombie magicians” but it’s certainly a possibility in your world view because you can’t have certainty about anything. You don’t know if you’ll start to float away when you wake up tomorrow. You don’t know if it’s wrong to kill a baby. You don’t know if 2+2 will always equal 4. This is the position of the agnostic at the core.

the fact that you keep using "your" and not "you're" when referring to me is a clear sign you have no concept of the English language. (i almost never use the correct punctuation but i at least know how to spell basic words)
so just stop. you clearly have no education to speak of. and yes like I said there's a 0.00000001% the Bible was right and science is the work of the devil. like I said. nothing is absolute

[TheMan]

I do believe in a higher power, but do I believe in the Old Testament's version of God where he is pretty cruel? if that is God I want nothing to do with him.

I believe there are evil and good forces out there that our five senses can't grasp.

Jesus Christ in the New Testament pretty much said that old school wrathful version of God was fake news.

[CelticBaller]

don't know don't really care.

[theman93]

the fact that you keep using "your" and not "you're" when referring to me is a clear sign you have no concept of the English language. (i almost never use the correct punctuation but i at least know how to spell basic words)
so just stop. you clearly have no education to speak of. and yes like I said there's a 0.00000001% the Bible was right and science is the work of the devil.

Well remember, you are an agnostic with no certainty of anything. So you can't have certainty of correct or incorrect grammar, by your own admission.


like I said. nothing is absolute

Is that absolutely true?

[John_Connor]

Well remember, you are an agnostic with no certainty of anything. So you can't have certainty of correct or incorrect grammar, by your own admission.



Is that absolutely true?

you're obviously still confused by the definition of agnosticism.

it is being neither for or against something that is EQUIPROBABLE


e·qui·prob·a·ble
/ˌekwəˈpräbəbəl,ˌēkwəˈpräbəbəl/
adjectiveMATHEMATICS•LOGIC
(of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having equal probability.


meaning I can believe in something that has more than a 50% chance of being correct. nothing is absolute but I can say "based on the evidence this is the correct answer unless you can provide evidence to dispute it


this is why I can say you're uneducated because almost nothing you've said so far makes any sense whatsoever. if you however can show improvement I am willing to change my opinion

but I wouldn't bet on it

[Gohan]

Im god’s son

[theman93]

you're obviously still confused by the definition of agnosticism.

it is being neither for or against something that is EQUIPROBABLE


e·qui·prob·a·ble
/ˌekwəˈpräbəbəl,ˌēkwəˈpräbəbəl/
adjectiveMATHEMATICS•LOGIC
(of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having equal probability.


meaning I can believe in something that has more than a 50% chance of being correct. nothing is absolute but I can say "based on the evidence this is the correct answer unless you can provide evidence to dispute it


this is why I can say you're uneducated because almost nothing you've said so far makes any sense whatsoever. if you however can show improvement I am willing to change my opinion

but I wouldn't bet on it

No the definition of agnosticism is - a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena.

Now if you are telling me your world view is that you believe whatever has more than a 50% chance of being correct that's fine you can believe whatever you want. At the end of the day, you still have no certainty of anything. It's the same exact thing.

You live by blind faith because you ultimately don't know:

i'm not 100% certain in anything.

[John_Connor]

No the definition of agnosticism is - a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena.



again i think most of your problems fall in line with your inability to understand basic language.

i am a Dawkins level 4 Pure Agnostic in terms of the existence of god ( and other unknowable things not based on science )

https://sarbjit.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dawkinsscale.jpg





Now if you are telling me your world view is that you believe whatever has more than a 50% chance of being correct that's fine you can believe whatever you want.




i never said i'm 100% for or against anything because theres always room for error. i lean in favor of certain things and put confidence in certain areas as opposed to others based on whether or not theres a majority of evidence to support it





At the end of the day, you still have no certainty of anything.




i've said this from the start. but there is a certain level of ignorance and stupidity involved if you're still in denial of something that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt


It's the same exact thing.



what is?

the difference between not knowing what god is and not knowing for sure if there was a levitating zombie magician, talking snakes, incest colonies from adam and eve from 6000 years ago, the world being flat etc... ? no theres huge differences in levels of evidence. all of these have been proven to be batshit crazy 1 in a billion ideas and the existence of god is 50/50






You live by blind faith because you ultimately don't know:


i don't have any "faith" so how can i have blind faith. i have logic and reason. i don't make any assumptions without empirical overwhelming data and evidence to make my case

[theman93]

again i think most of your problems fall in line with your inability to understand basic language.

i am a Dawkins level 4 Pure Agnostic in terms of the existence of god ( and other unknowable things not based on science )

https://sarbjit.in/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dawkinsscale.jpg




i never said i'm 100% for or against anything because theres always room for error. i lean in favor of certain things and put confidence in certain areas as opposed to others based on whether or not theres a majority of evidence to support it




i've said this from the start. but there is a certain level of ignorance and stupidity involved if you're still in denial of something that is proven beyond a reasonable doubt



what is?

the difference between not knowing what god is and not knowing for sure if there was a levitating zombie magician, talking snakes, incest colonies from adam and eve from 6000 years ago, the world being flat etc... ? no theres huge differences in levels of evidence. all of these have been proven to be batshit crazy 1 in a billion ideas and the existence of god is 50/50

If there is an equal probability God exists compared to Him not existing then miracles are not far fetched at all. In fact, your world view gives a 50% chance that everything the Bible says is true and accurate. Every single miracle is extremely likely if there's an equiprobable chance God - who is outside of space, time, and matter - created everything from nothing.


i don't have any "faith" so how can i have blind faith. i have logic and reason. i don't make any assumptions without empirical overwhelming data and evidence to make my case

Well you have a major problem there. Laws of logic that your appealing to don't exist apart from God.

1) If God did not exist, the laws of logic would be merely human conventions.

2) The laws of logic are not merely human conventions - they are universal, immaterial, and invariant.

3. Therefore, God exists.

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[John_Connor]

If there is an equal probability God exists compared to Him not existing then miracles are not far fetched at all.



i said there was an equal probability of a god existing. not your god. a god could be anything. and based on the total number of recorded miracles within the past 300 years ( zero ) there isn't much of a case for your god existing. i suggested that the female comedian fainting after mocking jesus is the closest thing to a miracle caught on camera since the invention of video photography. that was pretty epic and entertaining but can easily be explained as vaccine related. the timing is the only weird part. that isn't grounds for a 50/50 likelihood of your god that is capable of divine intervention. for your god to have a 50/50 or more chance at being a reality we would need something like that happening pretty much every other week. it would have to be on the level of an unarmed police shooting. and even then i'm still skeptical of those being race related since twice as many whites are killed each year




In fact, your world view gives a 50% chance that everything the Bible says is true and accurate. Every single miracle is extremely likely if there's an equiprobable chance God - who is outside of space, time, and matter - created everything from nothing.



ummm no... maybe a 0.1% chance? the existence of a higher power isn't tied to magic on earth. most things on earth make sense. close to 100% ... for your reality to have any chance whatsoever there would have to be things going on all the time that make no sense whatsoever. like a guy dunking from the 3 point line after he says a few prayers. i mean even the goat michael jordan shot a relatively normal percentage and a bunch of guys did the free throw dunk. some from farther out. and hes the closest thing to a levitating supernatural being that we've ever seen. so yeah.. not much evidence there





Well you have a major problem there. Laws of logic that your...



you did it again. its "you're"




...appealing to don't exist apart from God.

1) If God did not exist, the laws of logic would be merely human conventions.



there are no laws of logic. logic is forever changing and growing




2) The laws of logic are not merely human conventions - they are universal, immaterial, and invariant.

3. Therefore, God exists.


no...logic is knowledge humans attained through growing and learning about themselves and their surroundings and basing their decisions on that knowledge out of a process of trial and error



you really need to shut up now

[Chick Stern]

If there is an equal probability God exists compared to Him not existing then miracles are not far fetched at all. In fact, your world view gives a 50% chance that everything the Bible says is true and accurate. Every single miracle is extremely likely if there's an equiprobable chance God - who is outside of space, time, and matter - created everything from nothing.



Well you have a major problem there. Laws of logic that your appealing to don't exist apart from God.

1) If God did not exist, the laws of logic would be merely human conventions.

2) The laws of logic are not merely human conventions - they are universal, immaterial, and invariant.

3. Therefore, God exists.

but the thing about those bible miracles is that they are front loaded.
as documentation technology has increased, the volume and documentation of said “miracles” has dwindled to zero.
Increasingly, they ARE far fetched. Which increases the odds that god is far fetched as well.

Additionally, logic dictates that you have to question why your god is the correct one?
The odds that the religion you grew up with is the correct one are infinitesimally small.
Why yours and not another? Why do you reject their god but not your own?

both god and logic are human constructs.
Many of the religious believe that faith does not require logic because belief is its superior.

[Jasper]

when was everyone first interaction with religion ??
baptized as an infant by your parents.

brain washing starts early ??

I was told once that if I was not baptized I would go to hell.
Who's hell is that ??

[theman93]

i said there was an equal probability of a god existing. not your god. a god could be anything. and based on the total number of recorded miracles within the past 300 years ( zero ) there isn't much of a case for your god existing. i suggested that the female comedian fainting after mocking jesus is the closest thing to a miracle caught on camera since the invention of video photography. that was pretty epic and entertaining but can easily be explained as vaccine related. the timing is the only weird part. that isn't grounds for a 50/50 likelihood of your god that is capable of divine intervention. for your god to have a 50/50 or more chance at being a reality we would need something like that happening pretty much every other week. it would have to be on the level of an unarmed police shooting. and even then i'm still skeptical of those being race related since twice as many whites are killed each year



ummm no... maybe a 0.1% chance? the existence of a higher power isn't tied to magic on earth. most things on earth make sense. close to 100% ... for your reality to have any chance whatsoever there would have to be things going on all the time that make no sense whatsoever. like a guy dunking from the 3 point line after he says a few prayers. i mean even the goat michael jordan shot a relatively normal percentage and a bunch of guys did the free throw dunk. some from farther out. and hes the closest thing to a levitating supernatural being that we've ever seen. so yeah.. not much evidence there

There's plenty of evidence. The book of Isaiah was written 600-700 years before Christ and the author, Isaiah, prophesied exactly Jesus' birth, his ministry, and how he would die. The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated 125 years before the birth of Jesus and includes what is known as the Great Isaiah Scroll. It is one of the largest and best preserved of all the biblical scrolls, and the only one that contains the entire text. The scroll is written on 17 sheets of parchment and includes all 66 chapters of the Hebrew version of Isaiah. It only brings further confirmation the accuracy of Old Testament transmission.

I could give you evidences all day long, but evidence isn't your problem. You just don't want God.




you did it again. its "you're"



there are no laws of logic. logic is forever changing and growing

There are no laws of logic? I would really encourage you to examine that position. Are you saying the law of noncontradiction changes? Can something be true and not true at the same time?



no...logic is knowledge humans attained through growing and learning about themselves and their surroundings and basing their decisions on that knowledge out of a process of trial and error



you really need to shut up now

Your kind of on the right track.

The only way you can reason how you just explained is because of the laws of logic. The law of noncontradiction, excluded middle, and identity are the laws of logic you and I are accessing to even be able to communicate.

Laws of logic cannot be human convention because logic exists independent of human minds.

[theman93]

but the thing about those bible miracles is that they are front loaded.
as documentation technology has increased, the volume and documentation of said “miracles” has dwindled to zero.
Increasingly, they ARE far fetched. Which increases the odds that god is far fetched as well.

Additionally, logic dictates that you have to question why your god is the correct one?
The odds that the religion you grew up with is the correct one are infinitesimally small.
Why yours and not another? Why do you reject their god but not your own?

both god and logic are human constructs.
Many of the religious believe that faith does not require logic because belief is its superior.

Well Chick, as an atheist miracles are happening all around you in your world view. At the foundation of your atheism is time and chance acting on matter. Yet somehow you live in an orderly universe.

And ok logic is a human construct. Let's examine that position. Let's suppose there are no minds on earth and there's just a rock. Is it true that only a rock exists on earth?

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

[Gohan]

Theman93 is bodybagging n1ggas in this thread:cheers:

[Chick Stern]

Well Chick, as an atheist miracles are happening all around you in your world view. At the foundation of your atheism is time and chance acting on matter. Yet somehow you live in an orderly universe.

And ok logic is a human construct. Let's examine that position. Let's suppose there are no minds on earth and there's just a rock. Is it true that only a rock exists on earth?
There you go making assumptions without evidence again.

[John_Connor]

There's plenty of evidence. The book of Isaiah was written 600-700 years before Christ and the author, Isaiah, prophesied exactly Jesus' birth, his ministry, and how he would die. The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated 125 years before the birth of Jesus and includes what is known as the Great Isaiah Scroll. It is one of the largest and best preserved of all the biblical scrolls, and the only one that contains the entire text. The scroll is written on 17 sheets of parchment and includes all 66 chapters of the Hebrew version of Isaiah. It only brings further confirmation the accuracy of Old Testament transmission.

I could give you evidences all day long, but evidence isn't your problem. You just don't want God.





There are no laws of logic? I would really encourage you to examine that position. Are you saying the law of noncontradiction changes? Can something be true and not true at the same time?




Your kind of on the right track.

The only way you can reason how you just explained is because of the laws of logic. The law of noncontradiction, excluded middle, and identity are the laws of logic you and I are accessing to even be able to communicate.

Laws of logic cannot be human convention because logic exists independent of human minds.

stopped reading immediately after you referred to a book with "publishers clearing house" stamped on it as your bases for gods existence and evidence of something that happened almost 3000 years ago.

and even if you brought me a book from 3000 years ago it's still just a f*cking book you f*cking Neanderthal lol

if it has a scientific study attached to it them maybe I would take it seriously. but it's just some guys journal


there's way older religious texts from other cultures. why don't they count


and that's just the ones that survived after people were conquered and everything was rewritten or burned

[theman93]

There you go making assumptions without evidence again.

Notice how you gave no argument to the challenge presented to you.

Either way, even if I did what you're claiming that wouldn't even be a problem in your world view.

[theman93]

stopped reading immediately after you referred to a book with "publishers clearing house" stamped on it as your bases for gods existence and evidence of something that happened almost 3000 years ago.

and even if you brought me a book from 3000 years ago it's still just a f*cking book you f*cking Neanderthal lol

if it has a scientific study attached to it them maybe I would take it seriously. but it's just some guys journal


there's way older religious texts from other cultures. why don't they count


and that's just the ones that survived after people were conquered and everything was rewritten or burned

Oh, which other religious text fulfilled prophecy?

It's fascinating you hold so fast to science when you haven't even given a justification for the foundations necessary to even conduct science. You need the universe to have order (uniformity in nature ie if X is the cause Y, then Y will necessarily exist whenever X exists. In particular, the uniformities observed in the past will hold for the present and future as well) but you can't justify an orderly universe because as an agnostic you've admitted you can't be 100% certain of anything.

As a Christian I have a justification for science. Laws require a law-giver. Order requires an orderer. Science is built upon the necessity of laws and order which makes science dependent on God and when you reject Him you're cut off at the legs.

Your position is self-refutating. You say you are not 100% certain in anything. Are you 100% certain you are not 100% certain of anything? You say there are no laws of logic. Is the law of noncontradiction false and something can be true and not true at the same time?

[SATAN]

theman93 is being torn to shreds lmao.

[John_Connor]

Oh, which other religious text fulfilled prophecy?

It's fascinating you hold so fast to science when you haven't even given a justification for the foundations necessary to even conduct science. You need the universe to have order (uniformity in nature ie if X is the cause Y, then Y will necessarily exist whenever X exists. In particular, the uniformities observed in the past will hold for the present and future as well) but you can't justify an orderly universe because as an agnostic you've admitted you can't be 100% certain of anything.

As a Christian I have a justification for science. Laws require a law-giver. Order requires an orderer. Science is built upon the necessity of laws and order which makes science dependent on God and when you reject Him you're cut off at the legs.

Your position is self-refutating. You say you are not 100% certain in anything. Are you 100% certain you are not 100% certain of anything? You say there are no laws of logic. Is the law of noncontradiction false and something can be true and not true at the same time?

so your proof of God is 1 of thousands of religious stories from around the world that's been rewritten many times over saying a guy that wrote a book even before that book predicted that something would happen and according to that book it happened. well stop the press! front page of tomorrow's news paper should read "God proven! Christianity reigns Supreme!"


wait.. nevermind. that's f*cking stupid

[Axe]

Wow, coach versus kenneth. What an epic showdown. :biggums:

[GimmeThat]

it's similar to asking if humans are different than animals, you can't really debate with someone who views women as an object.

in their mind, either there's no God, or they are God themselves. I heard the latter one is an automatic to be assassinated path. and the former one, general results in tears.

[theman93]

so your proof of God is 1 of thousands of religious stories from around the world that's been rewritten many times over saying a guy that wrote a book even before that book predicted that something would happen and according to that book it happened. well stop the press! front page of tomorrow's news paper should read "God proven! Christianity reigns Supreme!"


wait.. nevermind. that's f*cking stupid

No that isn’t my position at all.

The proof of God is the impossible of the contrary. It is impossible for you to give a justification for morality, science and logic when you reject Him. But you will live all the days of your life abiding by these realities even though your world view won’t allow you to justify them.

[Patrick Chewing]

So now we're up to 8 people who don't believe in God, and you guessed it right, all Liberal. Why is this?? :roll:

[John_Connor]

No that isn’t my position at all.

The proof of God is the impossible of the contrary. It is impossible for you to give a justification for morality, science and logic when you reject Him. But you will live all the days of your life abiding by these realities even though your world view won’t allow you to justify them.

so you think the proof of God is the fact that God cannot be proven and there's no other explanation for what cannot be explained like the existence of the universe, morality, scientific laws and "God given" logic.

the only problem is

1. just because you don't know something doesn't mean you know something. you still don't know. that isn't proof of God. it's proof you're not perfect.

2. I don't know why the universe exists either. something may have caused it. if you wanna call it a God then go right ahead. but that isn't proof of YOUR GOD. maybe the universe always existed. maybe it was never created. maybe it exists because the void of space is impossible not to exist. because space is nothingness. it is void of everything. it is more so non existence then existence of something. and for anyone to say "but it had to come from somewhere. then what about God. why is God the only thing is forever existing and had no beginning. it's the same concept. if someone had to create the universe then someone had to create God.

3. like I said morality is learned behavior. some cultures still lack it. go to Haiti. a guy will chop you up and eat your leg if you look at him the wrong way

4. science has no laws. everything reacts differently based on the conditions surrounding it. and not all experiments come to the same conclusions

5. logic is another learned behavior. it's from trial and error like I said before. it's a decision process based on past experiences and knowledge attained.


now.. again...


https://youtu.be/SNGPUS4XVZA

[Gohan]

So now we're up to 8 people who don't believe in God, and you guessed it right, all Liberal. Why is this?? :roll:

F that i switched sides. They’ll find out god is real soon enough. I dont see how a black person doesnt believe in god though they have to all be white. Not tryna sound racist or anything

[Kungfro]

Well Chick, as an atheist miracles are happening all around you in your world view. At the foundation of your atheism is time and chance acting on matter. Yet somehow you live in an orderly universe.

And ok logic is a human construct. Let's examine that position. Let's suppose there are no minds on earth and there's just a rock. Is it true that only a rock exists on earth?

Atheism is a stance on god, that's it. The how and why's of the universe are another question. You can say "god did it" but thats just kicking the can down the road in my opinion, its not really an answer.

[SATAN]

So now we're up to 8 people who don't believe in God, and you guessed it right, all Liberal. Why is this?? :roll:

Jesus Christ wouldn't like you.

[theman93]

so you think the proof of God is the fact that God cannot be proven and there's no other explanation for what cannot be explained like the existence of the universe, morality, scientific laws and "God given" logic.

You aren't tracking. The mere fact that you are even asking for proof is proving God exists and is putting on full display the internal collapse of your world view. Proof by it's very definition presupposes truth is absolute. But you have no justification for absolute truth because you've already given up that you can't be certain of anything. Truth is a reflection of God's nature, so any time you ask for proof you are borrowing from God only to deny Him.


the only problem is

1. just because you don't know something doesn't mean you know something. you still don't know. that isn't proof of God. it's proof you're not perfect.
This argument was never made. What I am saying is that it's impossible to know or have a justification for anything apart from God. This is a statement of certainty, not uncertainty (aka not knowing as you presented it).


2. I don't know why the universe exists either. something may have caused it. if you wanna call it a God then go right ahead. but that isn't proof of YOUR GOD. maybe the universe always existed. maybe it was never created. maybe it exists because the void of space is impossible not to exist. because space is nothingness. it is void of everything. it is more so non existence then existence of something. and for anyone to say "but it had to come from somewhere. then what about God. why is God the only thing is forever existing and had no beginning. it's the same concept. if someone had to create the universe then someone had to create God.

God is outside of space, time, and matter so it is impossible for God to be created because creation is matter that has a beginning point that requires space to exist. God is timeless so He does not have a beginning. God is not made of matter so He does not have volume or mass. God is spaceless so He does not require space to exist for Him to exist. He is eternally existing.


3. like I said morality is learned behavior. some cultures still lack it. go to Haiti. a guy will chop you up and eat your leg if you look at him the wrong way
By what standard is it immoral to chop someone up and eat their leg? Why isn't that a good and moral thing? What if it gives off endorphins? Before you said good gives off endorphins. Is that still your position?


4. science has no laws. everything reacts differently based on the conditions surrounding it. and not all experiments come to the same conclusions
This is completely incorrect. Science is a methodology that is dependent on laws of nature. This is literally science 101. The scientific method is a 7 step process every single scientist on the planet uses to conduct science and it requires laws of nature to come to conclusions about the world around us. If there are no laws of nature science is impossible to even conduct.


5. logic is another learned behavior. it's from trial and error like I said before. it's a decision process based on past experiences and knowledge attained.
No your confusing logic and reason. Reason uses laws of logic (law of noncontradiction, law of excluded middle, law of identity) for rationality. Reason (not logic) is the process you're describing that accesses the necessary laws of logic to even be able to have the discourse you and I are having. I'm asking you to give a justification with your agnostic world view for the laws of logic that reason relies upon for rationality. I'll give you something to shoot at: Given your agnosticism, give a justification for the law of noncontradiction.

[theman93]

Atheism is a stance on god, that's it. The how and why's of the universe are another question. You can say "god did it" but thats just kicking the can down the road in my opinion, its not really an answer.

Atheism is a presuppositional truth claim that God does not exist. The atheist presupposition is that truth claims should be evaluated using reason, logic, or empiricism. Since atheists must necessarily evaluate truth claims using reason, logic, or empiricism they presupposes the existence of the laws of logic. However, since atheists do not allow God or the supernatural to be explanations - since atheists assume that the universe is materialistic in nature - they cannot justify the existence of the laws of logic, which are immaterial and universal. Because atheism cannot justify the existence of the laws of logic, atheism cannot provide the preconditions for intelligibility. It's a self collapsing world view.

[John_Connor]

You aren't tracking.


hold on let me adjust me VCR




The mere fact that you are even asking for proof is proving God exists and is putting on full display the internal collapse of your world view.



no it isn't. i'm not asking for me. i'm asking for you to try and help you out. i know its impossible to prove whether or not YOUR god exists unless i die first and fly up to heavens gates and am judged by Saint Peter.





Proof by it's very definition presupposes truth is absolute.



whats your first language. serious question. stop trying to sound smart. you barely know the definition of the words you're using and your sentence constructs are almost completely incoherent to the reader. that sentence literally makes no sense whatsoever. "proof by its very definition presupposes (requires a precondition of possibility or coherence) truth is (is or as?) absolute." like man. the way you talk is utterly ridiculous. stop trying to make a point when you can't even articulate the point you're making clearly enough for the reader to even know what you're trying to say. you're jumping through hoops just to say "science isn't proof because its not 100% accurate and can't explain everything... and God must exist for the unexplainable"... why not just say that. why are you trying so hard to come across like a complete f*cking idiot. just say what you're trying to say. stop trying to sound like a genius. you aren't even using the right words. stop. don't f*cking talk to me again if you're gonna keep this shit up




But you have no justification for absolute truth because you've already given up that you can't be certain of anything.



i am not all knowing and neither are you. and neither is your bible. nobody has answers for everything and the absence of evidence is not the evidence of god. you're trying so hard to simplify something that isn't even comprehendible to the most educated people on earth. as smart as we are we're still pretty f*cking stupid. only a few hundred years ago we were dropping dead at like age 30 from a cold. if we had an injury it was almost sure death. a bad cut was a death sentence in most cases. so if people were that f*cking dumb just like 200 years ago then imagine how f*cking retarded the people were that wrote your religious texts. thats why they had these outlandish stories that are inconceivable. its not magic. its retardation. they're morons like you.





Truth is a reflection of God's nature, so any time you ask for proof you are borrowing from God only to deny Him.



why are you speaking for god. who told you that you could speak for god. you're a buffoon. stop using another mans work as your own. you speak in terms like you're all knowing like god himself. you're basically a false prophet and not citing your opinions through bible verses. you're committing sin according to your own religion. you're not a priest. you were never given the process of discernment. all you can do is quote others. you giving your own baseless opinion from vague recollection should theoretically send you to hell for being a false idol. cite your references when quoting the bible.





This argument was never made. What I am saying is that it's impossible to know or have a justification for anything apart from God. This is a statement of certainty, not uncertainty (aka not knowing as you presented it).



provide the bible verse in which this is stated






God is outside of space, time, and matter so it is impossible for God to be created because creation is matter that has a beginning point that requires space to exist.




provide the bible verse in which this is stated



God is timeless so He does not have a beginning.




provide the bible verse in which this is stated



God is not made of matter so He does not have volume or mass.



provide the bible verse in which this is stated


God is spaceless so He does not require space to exist for Him to exist. He is eternally existing.



provide the bible verse in which this is stated




By what standard is it immoral to chop someone up and eat their leg?



so you eat people? ... mods



Why isn't that a good and moral thing? What if it gives off endorphins? Before you said good gives off endorphins. Is that still your position?



i said personal belief of what is good and evil is endorphins/stress/anxiety. doesn't mean its right for everyone. everyones different and can judge for themselves. doesn't mean they're right or wrong. we live in a democracy where majority opinion rules. and most people would say eating people is wrong




This is completely incorrect. Science is a methodology that is dependent on laws of nature.



we are learning new things about nature and the universe all the time.




This is literally science 101. The scientific method is a 7 step process every single scientist on the planet uses to conduct science and it requires laws of nature to come to conclusions about the world around us. If there are no laws of nature science is impossible to even conduct.



there is no law of science. thats why everything is theory. nothing is absolute. every time a study is done theres always a percentage given at the end for the probability of error





No your confusing logic and reason.



logic IS reason

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Reason uses laws of logic (law of noncontradiction, law of excluded middle, law of identity) for rationality. Reason (not logic) is the process you're describing that accesses the necessary laws of logic to even be able to have the discourse you and I are having.



did you get this bullsh*t from the bible too? if so where.


I'm asking you to give a justification with your agnostic world view for the laws of logic that reason relies upon for rationality. I'll give you something to shoot at: Given your agnosticism, give a justification for the law of noncontradiction.

there are no laws of logic. logic is different for everyone

[John_Connor]

Atheism is a presuppositional truth claim that God does not exist. The atheist presupposition is that truth claims should be evaluated using reason, logic, or empiricism. Since atheists must necessarily evaluate truth claims using reason, logic, or empiricism they presupposes the existence of the laws of logic. However, since atheists do not allow God or the supernatural to be explanations - since atheists assume that the universe is materialistic in nature - they cannot justify the existence of the laws of logic, which are immaterial and universal. Because atheism cannot justify the existence of the laws of logic, atheism cannot provide the preconditions for intelligibility. It's a self collapsing world view.

do you own a gun

[theman93]

hold on let me adjust me VCR

no it isn't. i'm not asking for me. i'm asking for you to try and help you out. i know its impossible to prove whether or not YOUR god exists unless i die first and fly up to heavens gates and am judged by Saint Peter.
I don't have to prove it. You prove it to yourself every second you breathe my friend.



whats your first language. serious question. stop trying to sound smart. you barely know the definition of the words you're using and your sentence constructs are almost completely incoherent to the reader. that sentence literally makes no sense whatsoever. "proof by its very definition presupposes (requires a precondition of possibility or coherence) truth is (is or as?) absolute." like man. the way you talk is utterly ridiculous. stop trying to make a point when you can't even articulate the point you're making clearly enough for the reader to even know what you're trying to say. you're jumping through hoops just to say "science isn't proof because its not 100% accurate and can't explain everything... and God must exist for the unexplainable"... why not just say that. why are you trying so hard to come across like a complete f*cking idiot. just say what you're trying to say. stop trying to sound like a genius. you aren't even using the right words. stop. don't f*cking talk to me again if you're gonna keep this shit up

I'm not trying to sound any type of way. And even if I was, you have no justification for why that would even be wrong.

Anyways, I'll break it down for you. "Proof by it's very definition presupposes truth is absolute." By proof's definition, it is establishing the truth about something. It assumes beforehand (presupposes) that truth even exists to be discovered. So when you ask for proof, you are assuming absolute truth even though you deny it. Your position is a complete and total self-refutation.



i am not all knowing and neither are you. and neither is your bible. nobody has answer for everything and the absence of evidence is not the evidence of god. you're trying so hard to simplify something that isn't even comprehendible to the most educated people on earth. as smart as we are we're still pretty f*cking stupid. only a few hundred years ago we were dropping dead at like age 30 from a cold or flu. if we had an injury it was almost sure death. a bad cut was a death sentence in most cases. so if people were that f*cking dumb just like 200 years ago then imagine how f*cking retarded the people were that wrote your religious texts. thats why they had these outlandish stories that are inconceivable. its not magic. its retardation. they're morons like you.
It's not that you can't be all knowing, it's the fact that you can't know anything according to your world view. But you live like you do every second you're alive and you make knowledge claims every single time you respond to me. You're a walking talking contradiction and you don't even comprehend it.



why are you speaking for god. who told you that you could speak for god. (1)you're a buffoon. stop using another mans work as your own. (2) you speak in terms like you're all knowing like god himself. (3)you're basically a false prophet and (4)not citing your opinions through bible verses. (5) you're committing sin according to your own religion. (6) you're not a priest. (7)you were never given the process of discernment. (8) all you can do is quote others. (9) you giving your own baseless opinion from vague recollection should theoretically send you to hell for being a false idol. cite your references when quoting the bible.
You just made 9 knowledge claims, but you can't know anything. You keep proving you are reduced to absurdity without God.



provide the bible verse in which this is stated

provide the bible verse in which this is stated

provide the bible verse in which this is stated

provide the bible verse in which this is stated

provide the bible verse in which this is stated

Colossians 2:3 and John 4:24



so you eat people? ... mods

i said personal belief of what is good and evil is endorphins/stress/anxiety. doesn't mean its right for everyone. everyones different and can judge for themselves. doesn't mean they're right or wrong. we live in a democracy where majority opinion rules. and most people would say eating people is wrong
Ok, so if you lived in a democracy where the majority opinion rules that eating people is good and moral it becomes good and moral?

You now live in a society in Canada where people are getting fined, imprisoned, and having their bank accounts ceased for supporting a peaceful protest. You act like that's somehow immoral, but you can't justify why it's immoral. It's just your measly opinion.



we are learning new things about nature and the universe all the time.

there is no law of science. thats why everything is theory. nothing is absolute. every time a study is done theres always a percentage given at the end for the probability of error

Is that absolutely true?



logic IS reason

log·ic
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A course in Philosophy 101 would do you wonders. They are not the same at all. https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-logic-and-vs-reason/#:~:text=Logic%20and%20reason%20are%20two,to%20und erstand%20and%20judge%20something.



did you get this bullsh*t from the bible too? if so where.
No, this is literally Philosophy 101. All you have to do is google it.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bc1a7792752821bb13188c38327175ce-lq




there are no laws of logic. logic is different for everyone
Two more knowledge claims. How do you know?

[John_Connor]

I don't have to prove it. You prove it to yourself every second you breathe my friend.



I breathe air because my blood needs oxygen and I'm not your friend




I'm not trying to sound any type of way. And even if I was, you have no justification for why that would even be wrong.


the justification is you sound retarded




Anyways, I'll break it down for you.



please don't


"Proof by it's very definition presupposes




you did it again. i told you to stop trying to sound smart. i wont allow you to use words like presupposes when you dont even know the difference between your and you're




truth is absolute." By proof's definition, it is establishing the truth about something. It assumes beforehand (presupposes) that truth even exists to be discovered. So when you ask for proof, you are assuming absolute truth even though you deny it. Your position is a complete and total self-refutation.



truth is not absolute because it's subjective to the individual. you could pass a lie detector with all of your nonsense. it's not a lie if you believe it






It's not that you can't be all knowing, it's the fact that you can't know anything according to your world view. But you live like you do every second you're alive and you make knowledge claims every single time you respond to me. You're a walking talking contradiction and you don't even comprehend it.


you're doing it again. you speak in terms of absolutes for answers to the universe like you're some type of God. you might go to hell for this self righteousness




You just made 9 knowledge claims, but you can't know anything. You keep proving you are reduced to absurdity without God.



I've never once denied God's existence







Colossians 2:3 and John 4:24



link?





Ok, so if you lived in a democracy where the majority opinion rules that eating people is good and moral it becomes good and moral?



to them. I would be a minority and choose to eat something else or starve to death. like how right now in Canada I'm the minority for believing in freedom. in another country freedom is moral and logical but not to liberals. so I have to leave because I can't change the majority and how they wanna live their lives




You now live in a society in Canada where people are getting fined, imprisoned, and having their bank accounts ceased for supporting a peaceful protest. You act like that's somehow immoral, but you can't justify why it's immoral. It's just your measly opinion.



funny you would bring that up right after I did. and like I just said my stance on canada is that it is a liberal wasteland full of degenerate scumbag sheep that like being controlled and told what to do while blindly following a leader even if he doesn't make any sense. its mass formation psychosis. kind of like a religion in a way. go figure







Is that absolutely true?

A course in Philosophy 101 would do you wonders.




a course in english, history, science would do you wonders





They are not the same at all. https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-logic-and-vs-reason/#:~:text=Logic%20and%20reason%20are%20two,to%20und erstand%20and%20judge%20something.



do you want the definition again?

logic IS reason

log·ic
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No, this is literally Philosophy 101. All you have to do is google it.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bc1a7792752821bb13188c38327175ce-lq


Two more knowledge claims. How do you know?


I just checked the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms and I don't see those laws anywhere. maybe they're under the emergencies act. that's still a huge grey area to me

[theman93]

I breathe air because my blood needs oxygen and I'm not your friend
Another knowledge claim without being able to know anything. The next second you might not according to your world view. You might actually need to start breathing water to survive because you have no certainty.



you did it again. i told you to stop trying to sound smart. i wont allow you to use words like presupposes when you dont even know the difference between your and you're
You can't know if something is misspelled in your world view. Another contradiction.




truth is not absolute because it's subjective to the individual. you could pass a lie detector with all of your nonsense. it's not a lie if you believe it
Is that absolutely true?



you're doing it again. you speak in terms of absolutes for answers to the universe like you're some type of God. you might go to hell for this self righteousness
How do you know I'm speaking in terms of absolutes if you can't know anything?



I've never once denied God's existence
I never said you did. My position this entire time has been if God does not exist, you are reduced to absurdity so the proof of God is the impossible to the contrary.




to them. I would be a minority and choose to eat something else or starve to death. like how right now in Canada I'm the minority for believing in freedom. in another country freedom is moral and logical but not to liberals. so I have to leave because I can't change the majority and how they wanna live their lives

funny you would bring that up right after I did. and like I just said my stance on canada is that it is a liberal wasteland full of degenerate scumbag sheep that like being controlled and told what to do while blindly following a leader even if he doesn't make any sense. its mass formation psychosis. kind of like a religion in a way. go figure
Yet you are acting exactly like a liberal. According to your world view there is no such thing as someone who "doesn't make any sense" because everyone has their own truth. Men can be women, sense can be nonsense, murder can be healthcare, and anyone can be anything if it's their truth. You ultimately subscribe to the foundations of liberal ideology.

If the liberal Canadian government decided to steal your money, kill your family, and jail you, you wouldn't have any argument against them and you would have no justification that what they did to you was wrong. You are nobody to say what they can do to you because you have no objective standard of morality.



a course in english, history, science would do you wonders

do you want the definition again?

logic IS reason

log·ic
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I just checked the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms and I don't see those laws anywhere. maybe they're under the emergencies act. that's still a huge grey area to me
I'm aware of the definition, but to call them the exact same thing is comedic and shows you don't understand philosophy. Nobody "logics" with each other. People reason with each other. And how do people reason with each other? By using logic - a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inference) and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic

The laws of arithmetic also aren't on your Canadian documents. Those must not exist either huh? :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

F that i switched sides. They’ll find out god is real soon enough. I dont see how a black person doesnt believe in god though they have to all be white. Not tryna sound racist or anything

Yep. All jokes aside, I just see Liberals harness a lot of hate in their heart and I bet it all comes down to their lack of spirituality and goodness and of course, God.

[John_Connor]

Another knowledge claim without being able to know anything.



theres a difference between knowing 100% and knowing beyond a reasonable doubt. my knowledge is backed by more evidence than yours is so its more likely to be true. to say someone doesn't know anything means they have zero evidence. theres a big difference between no absolutes/nothing is guaranteed and a 99.9% probability. blood needing oxygen is as close to a guaranteed scientific fact as it gets. you're only digging a bigger hole for yourself with every single post.





The next second you might not according to your world view. You might actually need to start breathing water to survive because you have no certainty.



nothing breathes water. fish breathe oxygen as well. if you knew anything other than the bible you would realize that fish filter the oxygen out of the water through their gills






You can't know if something is misspelled in your world view. Another contradiction.



the english language isn't god given moron






Is that absolutely true?



its truth beyond a reasonable doubt and truth is subjective to the individual. please don't try and outsmart me. you're too stupid to trap me like that lol






How do you know I'm speaking in terms of absolutes if you can't know anything?



because i have proof beyond a reasonable doubt and i am judge, jury and executioner





I never said you did. My position this entire time has been if God does not exist, you are reduced to absurdity so the proof of God is the impossible to the contrary.




being absurd "wildy unreasonable" isn't proof of gods existence. humans are barely out of the stone age. we shit in perfectly clean drinking water and wipe our a** with trees. we still have a long way to go before we can say the universe is unexplainable. when we figure out the 3 sea shells and we still haven't gotten to a conclusion then maybe we can give up and believe in your dumb shit







Yet you are acting exactly like a liberal. According to your world view there is no such thing as someone who "doesn't make any sense" because everyone has their own truth. Men can be women, sense can be nonsense, murder can be healthcare, and anyone can be anything if it's their truth. You ultimately subscribe to the foundations of liberal ideology.



no i said majority rules and the society you live in dictates what makes sense, what is moral, logical based on a democracy and if you are the minority you can either assimilate or leave. i never said one person can govern themselves. nobody is their own country. you must live by the law of the land. this isn't an indictment of the individual. you can be above it and choose not to participate. there is no guilt by association. just rise above. what you're referring to is someone that adheres to the degenerate behavior. like someone that gets an abortion because society says its ok. just because its ok to others doesn't mean its ok to you. you can choose to have your baby still. you are in control of you. not god. not society. and if they pin you down and rip that baby out of you then thats on them. same for cannibalism/murder/rape and other controversial subjects. its to each individual whether or not these things are ok or not. but society will judge you accordingly




If the liberal Canadian government decided to steal your money, kill your family, and jail you, you wouldn't have any argument against them and you would have no justification that what they did to you was wrong. You are nobody to say what they can do to you because you have no objective standard of morality.



why wouldn't i have an argument. you can disagree with government. thats why we have elections. and under the current laws of the emergency act they don't have the right to kill my family. where the hell did you hear this lol. as for the other things i can fight them in court. we still have a legal system. and i have my own standard of morality that is backed by the canadian charter of rights and freedoms and the emergencies act breaks those rights and freedoms so i should theoretically win quite easily. in fact premiers right now are taking justin trudeau to court for invoking the ermergencies act. you're not very educated on this subject.






I'm aware of the definition, but to call them the exact same thing is comedic and shows you don't understand philosophy. Nobody "logics" with each other. People reason with each other. And how do people reason with each other? By using logic - a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inference) and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic




do you need the definition for a 3rd time?

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The laws of arithmetic also aren't on your Canadian documents. Those must not exist either huh? :lol

philosophy is opinion based. math isn't

[theman93]

theres a difference between knowing 100% and knowing beyond a reasonable doubt. my knowledge is backed by more evidence than yours is so its more likely to be true. to say someone doesn't know anything means they have zero evidence. theres a big difference between no absolutes/nothing is guaranteed and a 99.9% probability. blood needing oxygen is as close to a guaranteed scientific fact as it gets. you're only digging a bigger hole for yourself with every single post.In other words, you are 100% certain that nothing is 100% certain. Do you see the problem here?




nothing breathes water. fish breathe oxygen as well. if you knew anything other than the bible you would realize that fish filter the oxygen out of the water through their gills

Is it absolutely true that nothing breathes water?


the english language isn't god given moron
Is that absolutely true?




its truth beyond a reasonable doubt and truth is subjective to the individual. please don't try and outsmart me. you're too stupid to trap me like that lolIs it absolutely true that truth is subjective?




because i have proof beyond a reasonable doubt and i am judge, jury and executionerIs it absolutely true that you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt?




being absurd "wildy unreasonable" isn't proof of gods existence. humans are barely out of the stone age. we shit in perfectly clean drinking water and wipe our a** with trees. we still have a long way to go before we can say the universe is unexplainable. when we figure out the 3 sea shells and we still haven't gotten to a conclusion then maybe we can give up and believe in your dumb shit
Is it absolutely true that we still have a long way to go before we can say the universe is unexplainable?



no i said majority rules and the society you live in dictates what makes sense, what is moral, logical based on a democracy and if you are the minority you can either assimilate or leave. i never said one person can govern themselves. nobody is their own country. you must live by the law of the land. this isn't an indictment of the individual. you can be above it and choose not to participate. there is no guilt by association. just rise above. what you're referring to is someone that adheres to the degenerate behavior. like someone that gets an abortion because society says its ok. just because its ok to others doesn't mean its ok to you. you can choose to have your baby still. you are in control of you. not god. not society. and if they pin you down and rip that baby out of you then thats on them. same for cannibalism/murder/rape and other controversial subjects. its to each individual whether or not these things are ok or not. but society will judge you accordingly
Ahh so the majority dictates what is moral. So in the case of Canada right now the majority believes that freedom is immoral. With that being the case, you can't be living morally unless you also believe freedom is immoral. Live morally and give up your freedom.


why wouldn't i have an argument. you can disagree with government. thats why we have elections. and under the current laws of the emergency act they don't have the right to kill my family. where the hell did you hear this lol. as for the other things i can fight them in court. we still have a legal system. and i have my own standard of morality that is backed by the canadian charter of rights and freedoms and the emergencies act breaks those rights and freedoms so i should theoretically win quite easily. in fact premiers right now are taking justin trudeau to court for invoking the ermergencies act. you're not very educated on this subject.You wouldn't have an argument because your subjective morals aren't greater than the government's subjective morals.

You're acting like it's wrong to break the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. What if the judge rules contrary to the law? That's not wrong in your world view because the judge can have his own moral code and rule against something he doesn't like about it. So what?





do you need the definition for a 3rd time?

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Is the definition of logic absolutely true?





philosophy is opinion based. math isn't
Is that absolutely true?

[Chick Stern]

Atheism is a presuppositional truth claim that God does not exist. The atheist presupposition is that truth claims should be evaluated using reason, logic, or empiricism. Since atheists must necessarily evaluate truth claims using reason, logic, or empiricism they presupposes the existence of the laws of logic. However, since atheists do not allow God or the supernatural to be explanations - since atheists assume that the universe is materialistic in nature - they cannot justify the existence of the laws of logic, which are immaterial and universal. Because atheism cannot justify the existence of the laws of logic, atheism cannot provide the preconditions for intelligibility. It's a self collapsing world view.
Atheist is a term used by the religious

Oh, and regarding your second law
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-quantum-physics-reality-doesnt.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/multiple-realities-quantum-physics-experiment-research-study-a8833341.html

[theman93]

Atheist is a term used by the religious

Oh, and regarding your second law
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-quantum-physics-reality-doesnt.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/multiple-realities-quantum-physics-experiment-research-study-a8833341.html

Is it an objectively reality that objective reality does not exist?

Oh and btw, your link is a contradiction in and of itself.


But in a paper recently published in Science Advances, we show that in the micro-world of atoms and particles that is governed by the strange rules of quantum mechanics, two different observers are entitled to their own facts. In other words, according to our best theory of the building blocks of nature itself, facts can actually be subjective.

The paper uses the objective truth of quantum mechanics to try and disprove objective truth. It's circular logic and thus a self refutation.

[John_Connor]

In other words, you are 100% certain that nothing is 100% certain. Do you see the problem here?



i never said i was 100% certain of anything. again i make every judgment based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt.





Is it absolutely true that nothing breathes water?

Is that absolutely true?



based on the facts presented i can say that beyond a reasonable doubt that nothing breathes water.






Is it absolutely true that truth is subjective?



i can say that beyond a reasonable doubt that truth is subjective to the individuals perception of reality or truth





Is it absolutely true that you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt?



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that i have proof beyond a reasonable doubt







Is it absolutely true that we still have a long way to go before we can say the universe is unexplainable?



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that we still have a long way to go before we can say the universe is unexplainable






Ahh so the majority dictates what is moral. So in the case of Canada right now the majority believes that freedom is immoral. With that being the case, you can't be living morally unless you also believe freedom is immoral. Live morally and give up your freedom.



i can say that beyond a reasonable doubt that the majority of society dictates what is moral for that societal structure. but it can be subjective to the individual and they can choose not to partake in immoral acts. i do not share the thoughts of the majority of Canada and its current government. i am protected by the canadian charter of rights and freedoms that supersede trudeau and his minions. until the majority votes to change this my rights are held at a higher standard than the current majority. i have no reason to give up my freedom. legally i am entitled to it as a canadian citizen.




You wouldn't have an argument because your subjective morals aren't greater than the government's subjective morals.



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that my subjective morals are mostly shared by the canadian charter of rights and freedoms




You're acting like it's wrong to break the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. What if the judge rules contrary to the law? That's not wrong in your world view because the judge can have his own moral code and rule against something he doesn't like about it. So what?



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that it is wrong to break the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms unless it is voted upon in parliament and both sides agree. in that case i would cross the border immediately and file for an asylum. no judge or single entity can make changes to such things in canada. all laws and bills are passed with a majority vote by members of parliament. you're not very well educated on the structures of Canadian government





Is the definition of logic absolutely true?




i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the definition of logic is in fact the definition of logic




Is that absolutely true?



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that philosophy is opinion based and math isn't

[theman93]

i never said i was 100% certain of anything. again i make every judgment based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt.Of course you did. The statement "I am not 100% certain about anything" means you are 100% certain that you are not 100% certain about anything.





based on the facts presented i can say that beyond a reasonable doubt that nothing breathes water.
Facts? Where do those come from? Are those facts absolutely true?



i can say that beyond a reasonable doubt that truth is subjective to the individuals perception of reality or truth
Is it absolutely true you can say anything?



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that i have proof beyond a reasonable doubt
Is it absolutely true that you can have proof?



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that we still have a long way to go before we can say the universe is unexplainableIs it absolutely true you can say something beyond a reasonable doubt?




i can say that beyond a reasonable doubt that the majority of society dictates what is moral for that societal structure. but it can be subjective to the individual and they can choose not to partake in immoral acts. i do not share the thoughts of the majority of Canada and its current government. i am protected by the canadian charter of rights and freedoms that supersede trudeau and his minions. until the majority votes to change this my rights are held at a higher standard than the current majority. i have no reason to give up my freedom. legally i am entitled to it as a canadian citizen.
What proof do you have beyond a reasonable doubt that the majority of societies dictate morality by the majority? This isn't true for many societies and I can think of 10 off the top of my head right now.



i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that my subjective morals are mostly shared by the canadian charter of rights and freedoms
Is it absolutely true you can say that beyond a reasonable doubt?


i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that it is wrong to break the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms unless it is voted upon in parliament and both sides agree. in that case i would cross the border immediately and file for an asylum. no judge or single entity can make changes to such things in canada. all laws and bills are passed with a majority vote by members of parliament. you're not very well educated on the structures of Canadian governmentIs it absolutely true you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that it is wrong to break the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms unless it is voted upon in parliament and both sides agree?




i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the definition of logic is in fact the definition of logicIs it absolutely true you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the definition of logic is in fact the definition of logic?




i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that philosophy is opinion based and math isn't
Is it absolutely true you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that philosophy is opinion based and math isn't?

[Chick Stern]

Of course you did. The statement "I am not 100% certain about anything" means you are 100% certain that you are not 100% certain about anything.


Facts? Where do those come from? Are those facts absolutely true?



Is it absolutely true you can say anything?



Is it absolutely true that you can have proof?


Is it absolutely true you can say something beyond a reasonable doubt?




What proof do you have beyond a reasonable doubt that the majority of societies dictate morality by the majority? This isn't true for many societies and I can think of 10 off the top of my head right now.



Is it absolutely true you can say that beyond a reasonable doubt?

Is it absolutely true you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that it is wrong to break the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms unless it is voted upon in parliament and both sides agree?



Is it absolutely true you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that the definition of logic is in fact the definition of logic?




Is it absolutely true you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that philosophy is opinion based and math isn't?
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/meyers.gif

[theman93]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/meyers.gif

Notice you gave no challenge to the following:


Is it an objectively reality that objective reality does not exist?

Oh and btw, your link is a contradiction in and of itself.



The paper uses the objective truth of quantum mechanics to try and disprove objective truth. It's circular logic and thus a self refutation.

Do you have a response or is reality objective?

[John_Connor]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/meyers.gif

https://c.tenor.com/fbvntFcLPWwAAAAC/dave-chappelle-dancer.gif

https://c.tenor.com/oG-JX_IFaCEAAAAM/missing-jerry-jones.gif

[Gohan]

https://c.tenor.com/fbvntFcLPWwAAAAC/dave-chappelle-dancer.gif

https://c.tenor.com/oG-JX_IFaCEAAAAM/missing-jerry-jones.gif

I swear dave chappelle was mocking me with tyrone biggums because thats how i look in real life. Beanie and everything. Hes even doing my dance “ harlem shake”

[theman93]

Nothing like debating someone who can’t even know if what they just said is true or not :lol

[Jasper]

John Conner : i never said i was 100% certain of anything. again i make every judgment based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt.





Nothing like debating someone who can’t even know if what they just said is true or not :lol

I want to see this proof of a god.

[theman93]

John Conner : i never said i was 100% certain of anything. again i make every judgment based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Jasper gets it :applause:




I want to see this proof of a god.

Well Jasper I would say the same thing I've been saying this entire thread: The proof of God is the impossible to the contrary. Without God there is no justification for science, morality, truth, logic or reason. If you don't start with God as your presupposition you are ultimately reduced to absurdity. Are you an atheist?

[GimmeThat]

John Conner : i never said i was 100% certain of anything. again i make every judgment based on proof beyond a reasonable doubt.






I want to see this proof of a god.

the proof of God lies in the reality that all you're looking at are different colors in shapes, yet even believing in evolution and concluding that language is human made, your mind is still triggered into behaving a certain way.

the proof of God is the proof of growth in a society recognizing the sexualities of straight/gay/lesbian

[John_Connor]

the proof of God lies in the reality that all you're looking at are different colors in shapes, yet even believing in evolution and concluding that language is human made, your mind is still triggered into behaving a certain way.

the proof of God is the proof of growth in a society recognizing the sexualities of straight/gay/lesbian

so bonobos = Proof of monkey gods?

[GimmeThat]

so bonobos = Proof of monkey gods?

as long as bonobos = bonobos

[GimmeThat]

so bonobos = Proof of monkey gods?

and remember, try not change the definition of monkey
proof and God the way 3ba11 changes his GOAT order

[GimmeThat]

are people really arguing with a poster named John_Connor, with a photo of a fictional character John_Connor based off of the movie franchise Terminator. A franchise about robots from the future, on proving God's existence.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen to them when they die is lying.

[John_Connor]

Anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen to them when they die is lying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ&ab_channel=Sini%C5%A1aBro%C4%87ilovi%C4%87

[Chick Stern]

so bonobos = Proof of monkey gods?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c3/ab/10/c3ab103be9fa43762874315cf9b8dbd5.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

Anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen to them when they die is lying.

You need to attempt to obtain more brain cells and open your mind a bit, and research NDEs.

[Lakers Legend#32]

You need to attempt to obtain more brain cells and open your mind a bit, and research NDEs.

Until Poopsie dies and comes back to tell us all about it, he lying when he says he knows what's going to happen to him.

[Gohan]

Until Poopsie dies and comes back to tell us all about it, he lying when he says he knows what's going to happen to him.

Well some of us could be having self delusion if we think we are going to heaven. Depends how you lived your life on earth. I assure you though if you dont come to faith in jesus christ you will be facing eternal death

[Lakers Legend#32]

Chewing is divorced. Among his fellow Evangelical Christians, this is a sin against God.

Poopsie is going to Hell.

[Jasper]

Well some of us could be having self delusion if we think we are going to heaven. Depends how you lived your life on earth. I assure you though if you dont come to faith in jesus christ you will be facing eternal death

please define what Heaven is as well as Hell

[Patrick Chewing]

please define what Heaven is as well as Hell

Hell is being named Jasper and growing up on a Wisconsin farm.

[Chick Stern]

Chewing is divorced. Among his fellow Evangelical Christians, this is a sin against God.

Poopsie is going to Hell.
If you believe in hell, you aren’t a bible follower

[Gohan]

If you believe in hell, you aren’t a bible follower

Where you learned that sh1t from? Jehova’s witness?

[Chick Stern]

Where you learned that sh1t from? Jehova’s witness?

No sh1tl, fact.
From well read biblical scholars.
No hell in the original bible.

https://time.com/5822598/jesus-really-said-heaven-hell/

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Mind-Blow-2.gif

[Axe]

Chewing is divorced. Among his fellow Evangelical Christians, this is a sin against God.

Poopsie is going to Hell.
:milton

[theman93]

No sh1tl, fact.
From well read biblical scholars.
No hell in the original bible.

https://time.com/5822598/jesus-really-said-heaven-hell/

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Mind-Blow-2.gif

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:31-46

[Lakers Legend#32]

If Poopsie is to be believed,

He is having sex outside of marriage with "Pounding That Black P#ssy" Christ teaches that sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Poopsie is divorced. Christ teaches that divorce is a sin.

Poopsie calls for the death of all liberals. Christ teachers that murder is a sin.

Why does Poopsie hate Christ?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Q: What's the difference between Atheists and Evangelicals like Poopsie?

A: Atheists are honest about not following Jesus.

[Chick Stern]

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 25:31-46

You’ll notice that you did not refute my point.
No hell in the original bible. It is a catholic invention.

btw - was it moral for god to rape mary?
Did he pay her father the fifty shekels of silver?

[theman93]

You’ll notice that you did not refute my point.
No hell in the original bible. It is a catholic invention.

btw - was it moral for god to rape mary?
Did he pay her father the fifty shekels of silver?

Sure there is. It's mentioned in Daniel 12 where Daniel is given a vision of the Day of Judgement. Jesus expounds on the subject in Matthew in the verses I quoted.

And God did not rape Marry. And even if he did, rape isn't wrong in your world view so you don't have a moral complaint against rape at all in any situtation.

[Chick Stern]

Sure there is. It's mentioned in Daniel 12 where Daniel is given a vision of the Day of Judgement. Jesus expounds on the subject in Matthew in the verses I quoted.

And God did not rape Marry. And even if he did, rape isn't wrong in your world view so you don't have a moral complaint against rape at all in any situtation.
That’s a stretch. Quite a bit of interpretation going on.
There literally was not a word for hell in ancient Greek.

Link to where I have said rape isn’t wrong?
You are bearing false witness.

Based on our knowledge of Jewish customs of the time, mary was pre-teen, or a young teen.
Was god a statutory rapist?

[theman93]

That’s a stretch. Quite a bit of interpretation going on.
There literally was not a word for hell in ancient Greek.
Not a stretch at all my friend. The context of Daniel 12 is the end times and in verse 2 mankind will have eternal life or eternal punishment. Your issue is that you're stuck on the word "hell". Eternal punishment is simply the description of what hell is. At the end of the day the Bible teaches Jesus is God which makes his statements in Matthew 25:31-46 authoritative.


Link to where I have said rape isn’t wrong?
You are bearing false witness.
Not at all. You don't have a standard to call rape wrong. Moral atrocities aren't possible in your world view with your rejection of God.


Based on our knowledge of Jewish customs of the time, mary was pre-teen, or a young teen.
Was god a statutory rapist?
God is spirit, so it's impossible for him to rape.

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[Gohan]

Chick sterm i hope you come around before its too late. I dont want to see you punished

[Nanners]

I dont understand how any adult can believe that there is no god or higher power... the evidence is everywhere

[Patrick Chewing]

I dont understand how any adult can believe that there is no god or higher power... the evidence is everywhere

What I'd like to know is how and when did they reach their conclusion that there is no God or higher power. Like, what makes them believe it or think they are wiser than theologians or any religious/spiritual person for that matter.

[diamenz]

convince me.

[Chick Stern]

Chick sterm i hope you come around before its too late. I dont want to see you punished

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/90/31/228890990-Hitchens-Razor.jpg

[Chick Stern]

What I'd like to know is how and when did they reach their conclusion that there is no God or higher power. Like, what makes them believe it or think they are wiser than theologians or any religious/spiritual person for that matter.

Bart Ehrman, a passionate, believing theologian, after extensive study, became an atheist.

[Patrick Chewing]

Bart Ehrman, a passionate, believing theologian, after extensive study, became an atheist.

One guy huh?

[Lakers Legend#32]

You guys must believe in the Easter Bunny too.

[Axe]

You guys must believe in the Easter Bunny too.
Or the tooth fairy.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Or the tooth fairy.

And Santa

[SATAN]

The behavior of alot of religious people has made me not want anything to do with them or religion tbh. The levels of ignorance and the hypocritical mindset are quite staggering. I mean, a religious person made this thread just to argue with others in.

You can't make this shit up.

No one cares if you believe in God. It's deeply personal yet these guys flaunt their belief like gang colors. It's beyond pathetic. Is there a creator? Maybe. Can anyone prove it? Probably not in any real meaningful way. Is OP brainwashed? Absolutely.

[warriorfan]

Most of the time short and ugly people don’t believe in god. People with better genes usually believe in god.

[Chick Stern]

Most of the time short and ugly people don’t believe in god. People with better genes usually believe in god.

Which one?

[Patrick Chewing]

The behavior of alot of religious people has made me not want anything to do with them or religion tbh. The levels of ignorance and the hypocritical mindset are quite staggering. I mean, a religious person made this thread just to argue with others in.

You can't make this shit up.

No one cares if you believe in God. It's deeply personal yet these guys flaunt their belief like gang colors. It's beyond pathetic. Is there a creator? Maybe. Can anyone prove it? Probably not in any real meaningful way. Is OP brainwashed? Absolutely.

Show me where in this thread or on this board someone has flaunted their religion? In fact, Christianity is rarely talked about in this thread, or any other religion for that matter. Most of the time, Christianity or religion is brought up by you actually. You're conflating two different belief systems into one. The belief and practice of a religion is entirely different than the rational belief of God or a creator.

You need to leave your personal differences and you're fake holier than thou persona aside and check it at the door. You have that blasé "who cares" attitude about everything and all that does is showcase how incredibly lazy you are. None of us are impressed. Humility and humbleness are two honorable and highly respected qualities of which you clearly do not possess.

[SATAN]

It's not just this thread and yes it has been mentioned. No one cares. The last part of your comment might aswell have been you talking into a mirror. :oldlol:

Talk about triggered.

[warriorfan]

Which one?

You are both

[Patrick Chewing]

It's not just this thread and yes it has been mentioned. No one cares. The last part of your comment might aswell have been you talking into a mirror. :oldlol:

Talk about triggered.

Saying no one cares is a lie. You care. Cause here you are following me and the topic of this thread around like a little puppy. If the subject matter didn't concern you or interest you, then you wouldn't be in this predicament now would you?

[SATAN]

Nah, this question is something a confused teenager would ask. There's no need to even know or care what people think if you are secure in your own beliefs.

You're not scared of going to Hell, are you Patrick Chewing?

[Patrick Chewing]

Nah, this question is something a confused teenager would ask. There's no need to even know or care what people think if you are secure in your own beliefs.

You're not scared of going to Hell, are you Patrick Chewing?

I don't care what you believe in. No one is here trying to convert you. Only the radical Jehovah's and Muzzies try to do that. I'm not concerned that you're a devil-worshipper. You will always be defeated.

And I'm not going to hell, pal. Sorry to disappoint you.

[SATAN]

I don't care what you believe in.

Someone else wrote the thread title? :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Someone else wrote the thread title? :facepalm

It's a poll question you retard. Not an inquisition. :facepalm

If you don't like poll questions that create a discussion, then get the **** off the board.

[Lakers Legend#32]

And I'm not going to hell, pal. Sorry to disappoint you.

There is no hell Poopsie. Sorry to disappoint you.

Then again, thinking the way you do is pretty close.

[SATAN]

It's a poll question you retard. Not an inquisition. :facepalm

If you don't like poll questions that create a discussion, then get the **** off the board.

lmao@this guy not liking free speech.

Yes it's a question and I'm engaging in discussion. So how does no sound? I won't leave.

There's something about these Catholics, man.

[ShawkFactory]

Not a stretch at all my friend. The context of Daniel 12 is the end times and in verse 2 mankind will have eternal life or eternal punishment. Your issue is that you're stuck on the word "hell". Eternal punishment is simply the description of what hell is. At the end of the day the Bible teaches Jesus is God which makes his statements in Matthew 25:31-46 authoritative.


Not at all. You don't have a standard to call rape wrong. Moral atrocities aren't possible in your world view with your rejection of God.


God is spirit, so it's impossible for him to rape.

Morality and cooperation are a fabric of human evolution.

[highwhey]

I do, but i no longer feel the connection i once had with him. The spiritual wifi is down.

[n00bie]

I find it weird when Asians say they're Christian. Does the bible even mention Asians?

[Patrick Chewing]

I find it weird when Asians say they're Christian. Does the bible even mention Asians?

:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

I do, but i no longer feel the connection i once had with him. The spiritual wifi is down.

Jesus said that in this life, you will face tribulations. But to believe in him for he has overcome this world.


https://harvest.org/

[Lakers Legend#32]

Jesus said that in this life, you will face tribulations. But to believe in him for he has overcome this world.


https://harvest.org/

What did Jesus say about killing liberals?

[Chick Stern]

I find it weird when Asians say they're Christian. Does the bible even mention Asians?

For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or anything superfluous,

[Axe]

What did Jesus say about killing liberals?
:oldlol:

[RRR3]

No but I can’t say for a fact there is no god.

[SATAN]

0................


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZBxCOANF-4

[highwhey]

OPs religion is obesity.

[Patrick Chewing]

OPs religion is obesity.

I pray for you and your well-being and this is the thanks I get??


I am disappointed, Alan.

[Axe]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrkOHV65ot0

[highwhey]

I pray for you and your well-being and this is the thanks I get??


I am disappointed, Alan.
i appreciate your well wishes.

[bison]

yes i believe in Kobe

[Red Pill Sports]

No.

God is an empty claim with no evidence in support of his existence.

[Axe]

Nice job by poopsie bumping his own thread with a fresh dup. :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

Nice job by poopsie bumping his own thread with a fresh dup. :applause:

The hell are you talking about?? Seek help. Seek God.

[Axe]

The hell are you talking about?? Seek help. Seek God.
I know. And it's good to know you're just not one of them.

[Patrick Chewing]

I know. And it's good to know you're just not one of them.

Dear Lord, he's speaking in tongues. He is possessed!

[Lakers Legend#32]

The hell are you talking about?? Seek help. Seek God.

Dear God, Poopsie is a big admirer of Herschel Walker who pays for multiple abortions.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Do you believe in life after love?

[Nanners]

why did god create COVID-19?

bill gates isnt god

[Avinash]

I believe in Trump.

[Patrick Chewing]

The bots are alive and talking to themselves!

[HighFlyer23]

I find it weird when Asians say they're Christian. Does the bible even mention Asians?

How many Europeans does it mention aside from Pilate?

[KNOW1EDGE]

No more God talk until you guys have some sort of update or discovery. We can’t keep doing this.