How Scottie Pippen changed the 1998 Finals | Enhanced pod [Thinking Basketball]

[Im Still Ballin]

Awesome video on Scottie Pippen's defensive impact on the '98 finals. Briefly covers the illegal defense rules scheme that existed and how the rules enforced spacing. I talked about this years ago: rule-enforced spacing vs. shooting-encouraged spacing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUiOvcDFD7c

[FultzNationRISE]

“If there is no Scottie Pipp, there is no possibility Michael Jordan obtains a championship.”

[Baller789]

“If there is no Scottie Pipp, there is no possibility Michael Jordan obtains a championship.”

Of course. But...

Do the Bulls just only lose Pippen? Or could we replace him with another 90's top ten player?

[ImKobe]

“If there is no Scottie Pipp, there is no possibility Michael Jordan obtains a championship.”

Pippen was hurt and MJ still won 62 games & the chip in '98.

[Baller789]

Pippen was hurt and MJ still won 62 games & the chip in '98.

Pip was basically a prop during the Finals when his back gave out on him.

[3ba11]

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Only Pippen failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size (0/6):

95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS


Horry averaged 18/10/4/3/2 on 57% TS (38% threes, 7 attempts)

[3ba11]

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Awesome video on Scottie Pippen's defensive impact on the '98 finals. Briefly covers the illegal defense rules scheme that existed and how the rules enforced spacing. I talked about this years ago: rule-enforced spacing vs. shooting-encouraged spacing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUiOvcDFD7c


I watched long enough to see a couple non-baller, Joe the Plumbers spout their misunderstandings of the game and the illegal defense rules..

People forget that Pippen averaged 5 assists as a mid-tier playmaker that mostly looked for MJ, whereas the Bulls needed additional scheming to contain a goat playmaker and offensive force like Stockton.. The Bulls were always facing multiple players that could produce elite offense, while opponents only had to worry about MJ.

In the 92' Finals, the Bulls had make sure Terry Porter didn't average 26/6/8 with 53% threes (6 attempts) like he did in the WCF (against Stockton).. So there's a level of competition among elite offensive performers that Pippen was never even on.. The only planning on defense was how to stop Michael..

Ultimately, every notable sidekick in the 90's was infact a 1b that led their team in many series - the only exception is Pippen (never a 1b), who also had the lowest peak of any sidekick (22/5).

Furthermore, it's standard to have SF's like Horry or Pippen guard a bummy big like Carr or Ostertag in some defensive setups - so the big point that the video makes is nothing - the only remarkable thing is how the Bulls would've been better off in all 6 Finals with Horry defending Carr instead of Pippen, who never reached Horry-level in the Finals (0/6) - see the stats in previous post.

[Axe]

1998 finals mvp

[3ba11]

1998 finals mvp


The only reason the Bulls nearly lost the 98' ECF and Finals is because of Pippen:



98' ECF - 16.6 on 39%

98' Finals - 15.7 on 41% (quit in closeout games


Anytime a series was close or lost, it was Pippen's fault... See the other two 7-game series for further confirmation (90' ECF or 92' ECSF)

[Axe]

The only reason the Bulls nearly lost the 98' ECF and Finals is because of Pippen:



98' ECF - 16.6 on 39%

98' Finals - 15.7 on 41% (quit in closeout games
Believe it or not, at least they're still better than kobe's 15.6 ppg on 37% in the 2000 finals. True role player numbers. :oldlol:

Go figure.

[3ba11]

Believe it or not, at least they're still better than kobe's 15.6 ppg on 37% in the 2000 finals. :oldlol:

Go figure.


Kobe reached Horry-level - only Pippen failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size (0/6):



95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS


Horry averaged 18/10/4/3/2 on 57% TS (38% threes, 7 attempts)... Pippen never reached Horry-level... :confused shrug:

[Axe]

Kobe reached Horry-level - only Pippen failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size (0/6):


95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS


Horry averaged 18/10/4/3/2 on 57% TS (38% threes, 7 attempts)
Moving the goalposts once again :roll:

[97 bulls]

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I watched long enough to see a couple non-baller, Joe the Plumbers spout their misunderstandings of the game and the illegal defense rules..

People forget that Pippen averaged 5 assists as a mid-tier playmaker that mostly looked for MJ, whereas the Bulls needed additional scheming to contain a goat playmaker and offensive force like Stockton.. The Bulls were always facing multiple players that could produce elite offense, while opponents only had to worry about MJ.

In the 92' Finals, the Bulls had make sure Terry Porter didn't average 26/6/8 with 53% threes (6 attempts) like he did in the WCF (against Stockton).. So there's a level of competition among elite offensive performers that Pippen was never even on.. The only planning on defense was how to stop Michael..

Ultimately, every notable sidekick in the 90's was infact a 1b that led their team in many series - the only exception is Pippen (never a 1b), who also had the lowest peak of any sidekick (22/5).

Furthermore, it's standard to have SF's like Horry or Pippen guard a bummy big like Carr or Ostertag in some defensive setups - so the big point that the video makes is nothing - the only remarkable thing is how the Bulls would've been better off in all 6 Finals with Horry defending Carr instead of Pippen, who never reached Horry-level in the Finals (0/6) - see the stats in previous post.

Lol. You don't know a damn thing about winning basketball bro. They literally break down Scottie Pippens impact on that series.

The fact is Pippen did play center that Finals. Game 1-6. And he ran the offense. All this while having a bad back. People brag about Magic "playing" center in 80, but that was against Caldwell Jones. It's not like he was playing against Moses Malone. And it was 1 game.

[TheCorporation]

Wow...Jordan played in the weakest era of all time with the most help. And he still only made 6 Finals?

[3ba11]

Lol. You don't know a damn thing about winning basketball bro. They literally break down Scottie Pippens impact on that series.

The fact is Pippen did play center that Finals. Game 1-6. And he ran the offense. All this while having a bad back. People brag about Magic "playing" center in 80, but that was against Caldwell Jones. It's not like he was playing against Moses Malone. And it was 1 game.


Pippen wet the bed in the 98' Finals and nearly caused loss, just like the previous series (ECF)

And it's standard to have SF's like Horry or Pippen guard a bummy big like Carr or Ostertag in some defensive setups - so the big point that the video makes is nothing - the only remarkable thing is how the Bulls would've been better off in all 6 Finals with Horry defending Carr instead of Pippen, who never reached Horry-level in the Finals (0/6) - see the stats in previous post.

[3ba11]

Moving the goalposts once again :roll:


The point is that Pippen was nearly always at that shitty level (15-20 on worst-ever efficiency) - that was Pippen's standard.. he's an Iggy-level player that is rated top 30 all-time (most overrated player ever)

[Axe]

The point is that Pippen was nearly always at that shitty level (15-20 on worst-ever efficiency) - that was Pippen's standard.. he's an Iggy-level player that is rated top 30 all-time (most overrated player ever)
And his worst still doesn't even come close to kobe's too. :rolleyes:

Again, go figure.

[97 bulls]

Pippen wet the bed in the 98' Finals and nearly caused loss, just like the previous series (ECF)

And it's standard to have SF's like Horry or Pippen guard a bummy big like Carr or Ostertag in some defensive setups - so the big point that the video makes is nothing - the only remarkable thing is how the Bulls would've been better off in all 6 Finals with Horry defending Carr instead of Pippen, who never reached Horry-level in the Finals (0/6) - see the stats in previous post.

No sir. Pippen spearheaded the Bulls defense. A defense that held the number rated offense in the Jazz to 54 points in Game 3. That's an average of 13.5 points over 4 quarters lol.

[97 bulls]

I find it hilarious that 3ball refers to these guys as Plumbers, but what has John Hollinger done athletically? He'll he had almost a decade running the Grizzlies and didn't do a damn thing. You'd think his stats would've been the difference maker.

[3ba11]

And his worst still doesn't even come close to kobe's too. :rolleyes:

Again, go figure.


Pippen's worst is the same as Kobe's - they're both at 15 on 35%

Except Pippen remained near that level and this performance was standard for him (never reached Horry-level), while Kobe became a historic rival of Jordan, Magic, and Bird

[Axe]

Pippen's worst is the same as Kobe's - they're both at 15 on 35%

Except Pippen remained near that level and this performance was standard for him (never reached Horry-level), while Kobe became a historic rival of Jordan, Magic, and Bird
So you mean to say that pip's worst is fine for someone who's not known for his offensive capabilities while kobe is inferior akin to his similar peers? Got it.

[3ba11]

So you mean to say that pip's worst is fine for someone who's not known for his offensive capabilities while kobe is inferior akin to his similar peers? Got it.


Iggy > Pippen based on performance like FMVP or his performance against the Eastern champs (Dwight) was superior to Pippen's against 94' Ewing.. Heck, Iggy even won 57 games with the Nuggets one year

[Axe]

Iggy > Pippen based on performance like FMVP or his performance against the Eastern champs (Dwight) was superior to Pippen's against 94' Ewing.. Heck, Iggy even won 57 games with the Nuggets one year
Again, moving the goalposts lmao.

[3ba11]

Again, moving the goalposts lmao.


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the Jazz defended Pippen with HORNACEK.......

let that sink in...

No scheme or attention was required for Pippen - he wasn't on the scouting report like Shaq said

[Axe]

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the Jazz defended Pippen with HORNACEK.......

let that sink in...

No scheme or attention was required for Pippen - he wasn't on the scouting report like Shaq said
So that's their finals competition two decades ago? Interesting.

[1987_Lakers]

So that's their finals competition two decades ago? Interesting.

:oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

So that's their finals competition two decades ago? Interesting.

Shit :roll:

[8Ball]

So that's their finals competition two decades ago? Interesting.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzZv0jA9MMbxhgmhMHrYDsXz5a0XPCg xx5ww&usqp=CAU

[Axe]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzZv0jA9MMbxhgmhMHrYDsXz5a0XPCg xx5ww&usqp=CAU
:lol

:cheers:

[3ba11]

So that's their finals competition two decades ago? Interesting.


Russell and Anderson are good defenders, so you make no point

Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan couldn't beat the 97' or 98' Jazz - only MJ could

It's funny because the video shows the Bulls making adjustments on Stockton, while Pippen was guarded by Hornacek - that was the adjustment for Pippen

[8Ball]

:lol

:cheers:

What Axe just did to 3ball:

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[Axe]

what axe just did to 3ball:

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First Blood!

[8Ball]

Russell and Anderson are good defenders, so you make no point

Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan couldn't beat the 97' or 98' Jazz - only MJ could

It's funny because the video shows the Bulls making adjustments on Stockton, while Pippen was guarded by Hornacek - that was the adjustment for Pippen

1995 Shaq took out MJ handedly so this entire post is invalid.

[3ba11]

1995 Shaq took out MJ handedly so this entire post is invalid.


The 98' Jazz swept Shaq's 4 all-star team and then lost to Jordan's 1 all-star team