We assume MJ would win with super-teams or AD, but could Lebron win with Pippen?

[3ba11]

Lebron never won a Finals with his sidekick getting less than 19.6 on 47%, while Pippen averaged 19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals.

Furthermore, those Bulls would require Lebron to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry the scoring load), which Lebron can't do in the Finals - he's too ball-dominant to beat good teams with high scoring, so he needs equal-scoring partners and "closers".

Finally, the 98' Jazz had 2 perennial all-stars to only 1 for the 15' Warriors (Curry), while the Jazz were a 10-year organic juggernaut that destroyed Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers, Duncan/Popovich, and several wars with the Bulls... So the Curry Warriors stand no chance against the Jazz, or ANY of the organic juggernauts that MJ faced in the 90's..

[Im so nba'd out]

Does lebron also get to play in the expansion era, where the league's talent pool was at its absolute lowest in the 90s?

If so yes. Having 2 of the top 5 players at that time lebron would absolutely win every year...Just like how curry and durant did it in the toughest era. Pippen and Jordan on the same team during the expansion era was pretty much = to the lakers in the 80's/ celtics of the 80's in the 90s

Hakeem didnt have another superstar...Ewing didnt have another superstar.... Drexler didnt have another superstar....David Robinson didnt have another superstar

96 97 and 98 bulls were so fking lopsided vs the rest of the league its not even fking funny. Ron Harper...Kukoc....Rodman... are u fking kidding me? are u fking shittin me?

[Im so nba'd out]

and i dont assume anything about jordan...I dont know if he could win outside of a system. His shot iq is so low...i can't guarantee it. In the triangle he couldnt shoot his team out of games because other people got to touch the ball and feel involved

He might frustrate his teammates so much they would passive-aggressively sink the team (think kyrie on the cavs vs the 2015 hawks when he tried to throw the series and no one ever talks about it...like ever....it just got completely swept under the rug until i just mentioned it now by the entire planet)


edit but lebron was too good and swept them anyway

[FultzNationRISE]

Yes, because all Lebron needs is a ball.

[Baller789]

Does lebron also get to play in the expansion era, where the league's talent pool was at its absolute lowest in the 90s?

If so yes. Having 2 of the top 5 players at that time lebron would absolutely win every year...Just like how curry and durant did it in the toughest era. Pippen and Jordan on the same team during the expansion era was pretty much = to the lakers in the 80's/ celtics of the 80's in the 90s

Hakeem didnt have another superstar...Ewing didnt have another superstar.... Drexler didnt have another superstar....David Robinson didnt have another superstar

96 97 and 98 bulls were so fking lopsided vs the rest of the league its not even fking funny. Ron Harper...Kukoc....Rodman... are u fking kidding me? are u fking shittin me?

Harper? You talking about the post surgically repaired knee shell of his former self Harper?

[Baller789]

Yes, because all Lebron needs is a ball.

What's his team's record now?

[1987_Lakers]

Does lebron also get to play in the expansion era, where the league's talent pool was at its absolute lowest in the 90s?

If so yes. Having 2 of the top 5 players at that time lebron would absolutely win every year...Just like how curry and durant did it in the toughest era. Pippen and Jordan on the same team during the expansion era was pretty much = to the lakers in the 80's/ celtics of the 80's in the 90s

Hakeem didnt have another superstar...Ewing didnt have another superstar.... Drexler didnt have another superstar....David Robinson didnt have another superstar

96 97 and 98 bulls were so fking lopsided vs the rest of the league its not even fking funny. Ron Harper...Kukoc....Rodman... are u fking kidding me? are u fking shittin me?

This is a point 3ball never acknowledges.

[ImKobe]

Does lebron also get to play in the expansion era, where the league's talent pool was at its absolute lowest in the 90s?

If so yes. Having 2 of the top 5 players at that time lebron would absolutely win every year...Just like how curry and durant did it in the toughest era. Pippen and Jordan on the same team during the expansion era was pretty much = to the lakers in the 80's/ celtics of the 80's in the 90s

Hakeem didnt have another superstar...Ewing didnt have another superstar.... Drexler didnt have another superstar....David Robinson didnt have another superstar

96 97 and 98 bulls were so fking lopsided vs the rest of the league its not even fking funny. Ron Harper...Kukoc....Rodman... are u fking kidding me? are u fking shittin me?

Pippen was not top 5 in the 2nd 3-Peat nor the 1st 3-Peat. Please stop smoking crack.

[Im so nba'd out]

Harper? You talking about the post surgically repaired knee shell of his former self Harper?

yeah he was still a damn good defender + role player...stop trying to rewrite history and what about them other guys i named....

[Baller789]

This is a point 3ball never acknowledges.

I wonder who's gonna have dibs on the final shot?
Kerr, Paxson or Kukoc?

[1987_Lakers]

I wonder who's gonna have dibs on the final shot?
Kerr, Paxson or Kukoc?

Both hit game winning shots in the Finals.

[Baller789]

yeah he was still a damn good defender + role player...stop trying to rewrite history and what about them other guys i named....

So he was a solid role player and not a borderline All-Star correct? Just to be clear.

[Baller789]

Both hit game winning shots in the Finals.

Yeah. But I asked who has dibs on the Final shot?

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen was not top 5 in the 2nd 3-Peat nor the 1st 3-Peat. Please stop smoking crack.

He was arguably a top 5 player from '94-'97.

[ImKobe]

He was arguably a top 5 player from '94-'97.

Did the Bulls 3-Peat from 94-97? Name the top 5 in '96 & '97.

[1987_Lakers]

Did the Bulls 3-Peat from 94-97? Name the top 5 in '96 & '97.
'96
MJ
D-Rob
Shaq
Hakeem
Malone
Pippen

'97
MJ
Shaq
Malone
Hakeem
Pippen


Just the fact that a past prime Hakeem was considered a top 5 player in the NBA should tell you how watered down the talent had become by the late 90's.

[Baller789]

Yeah. But I asked who has dibs on the Final shot?

Anyone?

[SouBeachTalents]

Does lebron also get to play in the expansion era, where the league's talent pool was at its absolute lowest in the 90s?

If so yes. Having 2 of the top 5 players at that time lebron would absolutely win every year...Just like how curry and durant did it in the toughest era. Pippen and Jordan on the same team during the expansion era was pretty much = to the lakers in the 80's/ celtics of the 80's in the 90s

Hakeem didnt have another superstar...Ewing didnt have another superstar.... Drexler didnt have another superstar....David Robinson didnt have another superstar

96 97 and 98 bulls were so fking lopsided vs the rest of the league its not even fking funny. Ron Harper...Kukoc....Rodman... are u fking kidding me? are u fking shittin me?
This is a great point. Look at the list of 2nd options the 90's title contenders had

Worthy
Starks
Daugherty
KJ
Payton
Hardaway
Smits
Stockton in his mid 30's

Who on that list jumps out to you as being substantially better than Pippen? Just look at what happened in Jordan's absence, he retires and Hakeem wins with Vernon Maxwell and past prime Drexler as his 2nd options, beating his biggest conference rival then sweeping the team that beat Jordan to boot :lol

[ImKobe]

'96
MJ
D-Rob
Shaq
Hakeem
Malone
Pippen

'97
MJ
Shaq
Malone
Hakeem
Pippen


Just the fact that a past prime Hakeem was considered a top 5 player in the NBA should tell you how watered down the talent had become by the late 90's.

Pippen was not better than Penny or Grant Hill in those seasons you clown. GP was the DPOY and had the better offensive numbers in '96 as well & outplayed him in the Finals. Stockton had the better numbers in '96 as well. Chuck was better too.

Nice try tho.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron lost with Shaq on his team. He also lost with peak Duncan on his team.

[1987_Lakers]

Pippen was not better than Penny or Grant Hill in those seasons you clown. GP was the DPOY and had the better offensive numbers in '96 as well & outplayed him in the Finals. Stockton had the better numbers in '96 as well. Chuck was better too.

Nice try tho.

Yes he was, stop being in denial just like how you in denial about AD.

Dude is an injury prone who has been trash for us besides 2020, trade that bum.

[ImKobe]

Yes he was, stop being in denial just like how you in denial about AD.

Dude is an injury prone who has been trash for us besides 2020, trade that bum.

He was so bad the Lakers collapsed against the Suns without him last year..

Imagine stanning a player and not sticking to 1 team.. what happens once Bran retires? Do you just move on to stanning Doncic or Giannis? Are you going to be in your 50s stanning some 20 year old?

[1987_Lakers]

He was so bad the Lakers collapsed against the Suns without him last year..

Imagine stanning a player and not sticking to 1 team.. what happens once Bran retires? Do you just move on to stanning Doncic or Giannis? Are you going to be in your 50s stanning some 20 year old?

You seem extra mad today, what's the matter? Mad your boy AD isn't playing tonight?? :oldlol:

Imagine saying you are a Laker fan then disappear from here when they win a championship with LeBron.

[ImKobe]

You seem extra mad today, what's the matter? Mad your boy AD isn't playing tonight?? :oldlol:

Imagine saying you are a Laker fan then disappear from here when they win a championship with LeBron.

Imagine having 10 accounts on a dead message board. Imagine having nothing to do during the off-season besides posting on a dead message board. :kobe:

[TheCorporation]

You're asking if LeBron and Davis/Pippen could beat Jeff Hornacek and John Starks type of teams? :lol Um...

[Baller789]

It's mentally dishonest just comparing 2nd options. One has to look at the overall strength and makeup of the team.

A good example are the Billup's Pistons. Individually they weren't all that great. But collectively they were a Championship team.

[TheCorporation]

You seem extra mad today, what's the matter? Mad your boy AD isn't playing tonight?? :oldlol:

Imagine saying you are a Laker fan then disappear from here when they win a championship with LeBron.

He's the biggest fraud fakkit alive. Supposedly a "die hard" Lakers/Kobe fan but disappears like a damaged ex girlfriend as soon as he saw LeBron hoist that fourth Larry O'Brien.

[1987_Lakers]

Imagine having 10 accounts on a dead message board. Imagine having nothing to do during the off-season besides posting on a dead message board. :kobe:

That would be funny if it was true.

Now that AD is injured I expect you to leave again for a few weeks, come back when he returns and jizz your pants when he has a good game, then leave again when he gets injured. Rinse and repeat. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

That would be funny if it was true.

Now that AD is injured I expect you to leave again for a few weeks, come back when he returns and jizz your pants when he has a good game, then leave again when he gets injured. Rinse and repeat. :oldlol:

I'm always here during the season and not as active in the off-season if you haven't figured that one out.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm always here during the season and not as active in the off-season if you haven't figured that one out.

Don't lie to yourself.

[Axe]

Are you both guys even true hollywood fans? :oldlol:

[3ba11]

'96
MJ
D-Rob
Shaq
Hakeem
Malone
Pippen

'97
MJ
Shaq
Malone
Hakeem
Pippen


Just the fact that a past prime Hakeem was considered a top 5 player in the NBA should tell you how watered down the talent had become by the late 90's.


Hakeem was defending 2-time champion in 96', while Pippen was Iggy with an inflated resume from playing with prime MJ

Pippen averaged 16.9 on 39% in those playoffs

Do you see how ridiculous it is to compare Iggy to peak back-to-back champion Embiid???

[1987_Lakers]

It's mentally dishonest just comparing 2nd options. One has to look at the overall strength and makeup of the team.

A good example are the Billup's Pistons. Individually they weren't all that great. But collectively they were a Championship team.

Which team from '96-'98 did the Bulls matchup with a team with equal talent across the board?

[Baller789]

Which team from '96-'98 did the Bulls matchup with a team with equal talent across the board?

The 98 Pacers and the Utah Jazz actually had better players I'd argue.

[1987_Lakers]

Hakeem was defending 2-time champion in 96', while Pippen was Iggy with an inflated resume from playing with prime MJ

Pippen averaged 16.9 on 39% in those playoffs

Do you see how ridiculous it is to compare Iggy to peak back-to-back champion Embiid???

Umm, I have Hakeem ahead of Pippen? And who would you exactly have Pippen replaced with? If you replace him with someone like Gary Payton, I could easily fire back and say "Do you see how ridiculous it is to compare Sidney Moncrief to peak back to back champion Embiid aka Hakeem"

Your arguments are garbage, you continuously ignore Pippen's injuries in those postseasons and completely ignore the fact that prime Pippen is probably the greatest perimeter defender ever, something the numbers don't show.

[Hey Yo]

Which team from '96-'98 did the Bulls matchup with a team with equal talent across the board?

Did any teams besides the Bulls have a starting backcourt combo who were both 6'6 in height?

[Baller789]

Did any teams besides the Bulls have a backcourt combo who were both 6'6 in height?

Yes Penny and Nick Anderson.

[3ba11]

Umm, I have Hakeem ahead of Pippen? And who would you exactly have Pippen replaced with? If you replace him with someone like Gary Payton, I could easily fire back and say "Do you see how ridiculous it is to compare Sidney Moncrief to peak back to back champion Embiid aka Hakeem"





I would never compare Pippen to Moncrief, let alone Hakeem

Pippen = Iggy and you have zero evidence to say otherwise aside from dumb media awards (winning spotlight)






Your arguments are garbage, you continuously ignore Pippen's injuries in those postseasons and completely ignore the fact that prime Pippen is probably the greatest perimeter defender ever, something the numbers don't show.


It's funny that you promote Pippen over Hakeem when Pippen was instantly demoted to 14 ppg third option behind fossils Barkley and Hakeem in 99' (he was 33 and they were 36...

And Pippen had the lowest advanced stats ever for a winning sidekick in the 93' Playoffs (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48), while sucking in the 94-03' Playoffs and 88-90'... So his entire playoff career was horrible except 91' and 92' (except the 92' ECSF vs X-Man)

Pippen's true shooting was below league-average for every year of his playoff career except 89-91 and 02'

[1987_Lakers]

I would never compare Pippen to Moncrief, let alone Hakeem

Pippen = Iggy and you have zero evidence to say otherwise aside from dumb media awards (winning spotlight)






It's funny that you promote Pippen over Hakeem when Pippen was instantly demoted to 14 ppg third option behind fossils Barkley and Hakeem in 99' (he was 33 and they were 36...

You completely missed my point in your first sentence, good job.

And I promote Pippen over Hakeem?? When I in fact have Hakeem higher? :oldlol:

Your lies never stop.

[TheCorporation]

Close your eyes.

Imagine a watered-down era where John Starks (94) or Jeff Hornacek (98) is your #2 option on a Finals team.

Now open them. You're actually in the 1990s.

[ImKobe]

Close your eyes.

Imagine a world where John Starks is your #2 option on a Finals team.

Now open them. You're actually in the 1990s.

Is it any different than Kevin Love in 2018 or Lowry in 2019 or Herro in 2020 or Middleton in 2021?

[Axe]

I would never compare Pippen to Moncrief, let alone Hakeem

Pippen = Iggy and you have zero evidence to say otherwise aside from dumb media awards (winning spotlight)






It's funny that you promote Pippen over Hakeem when Pippen was instantly demoted to 14 ppg third option behind fossils Barkley and Hakeem in 99' (he was 33 and they were 36...

And Pippen had the lowest advanced stats ever for a winning sidekick in the 93' Playoffs (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48), while sucking in the 94-03' Playoffs and 88-90'... So his entire playoff career was horrible except 91' and 92' (except the 92' ECSF vs X-Man)

Pippen's true shooting was below league-average for every year of his playoff career except 89-91 and 02'
Yet pippen has made more trips to the playoffs on more teams too than your cover-up hero. Yikes. ;)

[TheCorporation]

Is it any different than Kevin Love in 2018 or Lowry in 2019 or Herro in 2020 or Middleton in 2021?

Middleton is infinitely better than all of those guys. He routinely outscored Giannis in the clutch and had a 20-point 50/40/90 season.

Love was carried by a freak of nature 2018 GOAT. Siakam was #2 in 2019 and Dragic/Bam was #2 in 2020.

Are you...new?

[3ba11]

Close your eyes.

Imagine a watered-down era where John Starks (94) or Jeff Hornacek (98) is your #2 option on a Finals team.

Now open them. You're actually in the 1990s.


Hornacek > Klay


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts



Sidekick champs like Klay, Pippen or Middleton are the most overrated players in history.

So a guy like Bosh could've won with Kobe as 2nd option and been overrated like Pau - unfortunately, he landed next to a frontcourt ball-dominator that turns teammates into spot-up shooters and therefore needs more help, so he was a 3rd option

[ImKobe]

Middleton is infinitely better than all of those guys. He routinely outscored Giannis in the clutch and had a 20-point 50/40/90 season.

Love was carried by a freak of nature 2018 GOAT. Siakam was #2 in 2019 and Dragic/Bam was #2 in 2020.

Are you...new?

I don't think you understand how eras work. It was significantly harder to put up 20 in 1994 than it is today. Middleton barely made the ASG this year after being the 2nd option on a Finals team.

[1987_Lakers]

I don't think you understand how eras work. It was significantly harder to put up 20 in 1994 than it is today. Middleton barely made the ASG this year after being the 2nd option on a Finals team.

How could you possibly use this argument but continue to ignore 3ball's posts about Pippen's ppg in that SAME era to put him down. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

How could you possibly use this argument but continue to ignore 3ball's posts about Pippen's ppg in that SAME era to put him down. :oldlol:

Because he was mediocre offensive player, even for his era?


He averaged 39%FG in '96 Playoffs and shot under 42% the next 2 years and had a mediocre TS%. Clyde was a 2nd option in '95 and he averaged 21/7/5 on 48%FG/58.7%TS and had all-time great elimination games against Utah. There's levels to this.

[1987_Lakers]

Because he was mediocre offensive player, even for his era?


He averaged 39%FG in '96 Playoffs and shot under 42% the next 2 years and had a mediocre TS%. Clyde was a 2nd option in '95 and he averaged 21/7/5 on 48%FG/58.7%TS and had all-time great elimination games against Utah. There's levels to this.

He was injured in most of those playoff runs in the 2nd 3 peat. If you want to see what a healthy Pippen produced it was 21 points and 6 assists on 48 fg% from '94-'97, imagine calling that a mediocre offensive player in an era where nobody scored. You love to talk about how much AD thrives on the defensive end yet ignore that Pippen was easily the best perimeter defender during that time.

This is why no one takes you serious.

[Baller789]

He was injured in most of those playoff runs in the 2nd 3 peat. If you want to see what a healthy Pippen produced it was 21 points and 6 assists on 48 fg% from '94-'97, imagine calling that a mediocre offensive player in an era where nobody scored. You love to talk about how much AD thrives on the defensive end yet ignore that Pippen was easily the best perimeter defender during that time.

This is why no one takes you serious.

Ehhh. What are his playoff numbers on the 2nd 3peat?

[3ba11]

He was injured in most of those playoff runs in the 2nd 3 peat. If you want to see what a healthy Pippen produced it was 21 points and 6 assists on 48 fg% from '94-'97, imagine calling that a mediocre offensive player in an era where nobody scored. You love to talk about how much AD thrives on the defensive end yet ignore that Pippen was easily the best perimeter defender during that time.

This is why no one takes you serious.


PIPPEN PLAYOFFS


88-90'....... trash

94-03'....... aids

1992........ X-man debacle (nearly caused loss)

1993......... lowest advanced stats ever for a winning sidekick (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, TS)



^^^ looks like Pippen had 1 viable playoff run (91') and maybe 92'

He also shot below league average true shooting every year of playoff career except 89-91 & 02'.

[ShawkFactory]

Ehhh. What are his playoff numbers on the 2nd 3peat?

He literally addressed that in the first sentence.

No one ever claimed that Pippen was some sort of maestro as a scorer. But in that second 3 peat he wasn’t healthy for a lot of the playoff runs, primarily 98.

If you’ve ever watched a Bulls game in the 90s (which I assume you have) you could see that his length and activity on both ends was a problem for other teams. If Mike is going off he’s not really gonna be scoring..

[1987_Lakers]

PIPPEN PLAYOFFS


88-90'....... trash

94-03'....... aids

1992........ X-man debacle (nearly caused loss)

1993......... lowest advanced stats ever for a winning sidekick (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, TS)



^^^ looks like Pippen had 1 viable playoff run (91') and maybe 92'

He also shot below league average true shooting every year of playoff career except 89-91 & 02'.

Averaged 20/8/6 in the first 3 peat and saved MJ vs the Knicks in '93.

[Baller789]

He literally addressed that in the first sentence.

No one ever claimed that Pippen was some sort of maestro as a scorer. But in that second 3 peat he wasn’t healthy for a lot of the playoff runs, primarily 98.

If you’ve ever watched a Bulls game in the 90s (which I assume you have) you could see that his length and activity on both ends was a problem for other teams. If Mike is going off he’s not really gonna be scoring..

Yeah. But health is part of the equation.

So part of the argument should be can Lebron also win with a crooked Pippen? Since a lot of his defenders keep saying Wade or AD was hurt.

[3ba11]

Averaged 20/8/6 in the first 3 peat and saved MJ vs the Knicks in '93.


20/8/6 on Iverson efficiency means nothing and that's what he did in the 93' run

His only viable runs were 91' and 92' (minus the X-man debacle)

And Jordan won Game 3 of the 93 ECF by dominating when the game was contested to get a big lead while Pippen was MIA... Only when Jordan had already won the game did Pippen's start padding... Watch the 1st quarter of Game 3 - that's literally what happened.. Jordan thoroughly dominated the scoring and passing when the game was contested while Pippen did nothing.

No one has more historic, legendary chokes than Pippen and no one hit zero big shots or less clutch points in their playoff career than Pippen - he's literally the worst clutch player in history

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah. But health is part of the equation.

So part of the argument should be can Lebron also win with a crooked Pippen? Since a lot of his defenders keep saying Wade or AD was hurt.

Well I’m not really one to base my beliefs of the Lebron “defenders” here. It’s a clear troll account(s) who I believe doesn’t actually give a shit about him.

But nonetheless, Pippen not being healthy in the playoffs for some of those runs is a huge PLUS for MJ. Not a negative for Pippen. Which is where I take issue: Pippen being really good doesn’t hurt MJ. You’ve watched him..he was actually pretty fun to watch IMO because he was all over the place.

I think the best comparison for him now would be Jimmy Butler but longer and slightly more athletic but and a little less smooth as a shooter.

[3ba11]

Well I’m not really one to base my beliefs of the Lebron “defenders” here. It’s a clear troll account(s) who I believe doesn’t actually give a shit about him.

But nonetheless, Pippen not being healthy in the playoffs for some of those runs is a huge PLUS for MJ. Not a negative for Pippen. Which is where I take issue: Pippen being really good doesn’t hurt MJ. You’ve watched him..he was actually pretty fun to watch IMO because he was all over the place.

I think the best comparison for him now would be Jimmy Butler but longer and slightly more athletic but and a little less smooth as a shooter.


People who actually watched Pippen would forget he's out there for large stretches.. His performance was never better than Iggy's - that's the historical record regardless of all the excuses you make

And it's shameful to use injuries to explain Pippen's poor play... So he was injured for every run except 91' and 92'? Those are his only legit runs and even 92' is marred by the X-man debacle

[Full Court]

Pippen is the most inaccurately acknowledged player on here. He was much better than 3ball makes him out to be and not nearly as good as the level Bronies try to elevate him to.

[ShawkFactory]

People who actually watched Pippen would forget he's out there for large stretches.. His performance was never better than Iggy's - that's the historical record regardless of all the excuses you make

And it's shameful to use injuries to explain Pippen's poor play... So he was injured for every run except 91' and 92'? Those are his only legit runs and even 92' is marred by the X-man debacle

Well yea when you have Jordan’s dick in every orifice of the body as you do that tends to happen.

[JohnMax]

This is your goat

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