ESPN has ranked the NBAs top 75 (or 76) players.

[L.Kizzle]

List just came out.
Here are some of the questionable rankings.

24 John Stockton
29 Chris Paul
36 Dominique Wilkins
39 Kevin McHale
51 Reggie Miller
52 George Gervin
53 Clyde Drexler
58 Elvin Hayes
68 Russell Westbrook

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH9dc0m_IKA

Westbrock got in because he is the career leader in triple doubles... (would be nice if he got a ring or two)
Reggie Miller was a stroker , but he did not have enough credentials in my opinion ...

I liked it when MJ was called out last... then stood in the middle of the circle. (lmao)

My count was about 5 players I had never seen play ... But it was nice to see how they all aged.

[L.Kizzle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH9dc0m_IKA

Westbrock got in because he is the career leader in triple doubles... (would be nice if he got a ring or two)
Reggie Miller was a stroker , but he did not have enough credentials in my opinion ...

I liked it when MJ was called out last... then stood in the middle of the circle. (lmao)
Westbrook is also MVP, 10 time All Star and like 10 time All NBA.

[Gimmedarock]

Paul is the GOAT at point guard. No way he’s behind Stockton.

[Im Still Ballin]

I agree about McHale. He should be higher.

[L.Kizzle]

I agree about McHale. He should be higher.
Jokes. He's above Patrick Ewing. Pat is #40.

[Lebron23]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

Here are the complete rankings

[FultzNationRISE]

Westbrook is also MVP, 10 time All Star and like 10 time All NBA.

That's because voters aren't very bright.

He's absolutely not a top 75 player of all time, in terms of on-court impact relative to his era.

[L.Kizzle]

That's because voters aren't very bright.

He's absolutely not a top 75 player of all time, in terms of on-court impact relative to his era.
Gotta judge his career, not this season.

[RogueBorg]

List just came out.
Here are some of the questionable rankings.

24 John Stockton
29 Chris Paul
36 Dominique Wilkins
39 Kevin McHale
51 Reggie Miller
52 George Gervin
53 Clyde Drexler
58 Elvin Hayes
68 Russell Westbrook

No way Reggie Miller was a better player than Westbrook, Gervin, Drexler, and Hayes. Miller averaged 3 rebounds and 3 assists per game.

[L.Kizzle]

No way Reggie Miller was a better player than Westbrook, Gervin, Drexler, and Hayes. Miller averaged 3 rebounds and 3 assists per game.
It's crazy how they continue to rank Reggie over Clyde. Like they didn't play in the same era and Clyde was better every season they played lol.

[Gimmedarock]

Ewing should be in the 60’s bruh.

[FultzNationRISE]

Gotta judge his career, not this season.

Ofc he was never THIS terrible, but he’s always been an overrated stat padder IMO. I would never look to add him to my team, regardless of salary.

[Gimmedarock]

No way Reggie Miller was a better player than Westbrook, Gervin, Drexler, and Hayes. Miller averaged 3 rebounds and 3 assists per game.

If we’re honest Luka, Klay, & Harden are better then Miller. Better than lots of guys. They’ll get their due eventually.

[FultzNationRISE]

If we’re honest Luka, Klay, & Harden are better then Miller. Better than lots of guys. They’ll get their due eventually.

Harden would be more statistically productive in a regular season game.

But I wouldnt want him over Reggie if my goal was to be as competitive as possible when it matters.

[Jasper]

higher or lower means nothing once you become a top 50 or 75 of all time.
This list is the greatest of all.

[Jasper]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33297498/the-nba-75th-anniversary-team-ranked-where-76-basketball-legends-check-our-list

Here are the complete rankings

this list really doesn't need a ranking as ESPN had done ...
But out of 75 players having Giannis ranked at 18 felt nice..

[SouBeachTalents]

There are several I could name as bad, but the absolute worst ones

Shaq outside the top 10
Wade at 30
Iverson at 31
Lucas at 46
Harden at 50

Harden just might be the worst of the group. How an MVP & 3x scoring champ barely finishes top 50 is beyond me. He's unquestionably had a more successful career and was better relative to the league than Ray Allen ever was. Same goes for Drexler & Reggie who were in the league at the same time.

[RogueBorg]

It's crazy how they continue to rank Reggie over Clyde. Like they didn't play in the same era and Clyde was better every season they played lol.

Yup, every single season. One of MJ's motivations was to show the doubters that he was better than Clyde in the '92 NBA Finals. It's been lost in time but Drexler was highly regarded as one of the best players in the world hence his selection for the 1992 Dream Team.

[RogueBorg]

Ewing should be in the 60’s bruh.

No way, Patrick Ewing was better than every player listed 40-59.

[FultzNationRISE]

There are several I could name as bad, but the absolute worst ones

Shaq outside the top 10
Wade at 30
Iverson at 31
Lucas at 46
Harden at 50

Harden just might be the worst of the group. How an MVP & 3x scoring champ barely finishes top 50 is beyond me. He's unquestionably had a more successful career and was better relative to the league than Ray Allen ever was. Same goes for Drexler & Reggie who were in the league at the same time.

I think Reggie and Ray get big boosts in placement from being 3pt record holders and essentially the Godfathers of the three point shot.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just that I presume that's what's going on there.

But they both also had a lot of high profile clutch moments, which you cannot say of Soften and Drex. I think that also gets weighed disproportionately.

Clyde is definitely getting shafted, but personally I would EASILY take Reggie or Ray Allen for my own team over Soften.

[fsvr54]

Miller's career has the biggest rose-tint to it. He was great but not all time great

[3ba11]

Pippen over Kawhi and all those players

:yaohappy:

Literal proof that the rankings are bullshit - no one was inflated by the winning spotlight more than Pippen.. Kemp and Derrick Coleman were superior basketball players, for example

[Spurs m8]

Who's number 1, guys?

[Thenameless]

There are several I could name as bad, but the absolute worst ones

Shaq outside the top 10
Wade at 30
Iverson at 31
Lucas at 46
Harden at 50

Harden just might be the worst of the group. How an MVP & 3x scoring champ barely finishes top 50 is beyond me. He's unquestionably had a more successful career and was better relative to the league than Ray Allen ever was. Same goes for Drexler & Reggie who were in the league at the same time.

Definitely a lot of positives when discussing James Harden from a pure skills standpoint. But one can't just look at the positives. In order to see the overall picture properly, you have to take the good with the bad, and Harden comes with a lot of the stuff that you don't want if you're trying to create cohesion and chemistry - and ultimately trying to win. I don't think putting Harden at 50 is that bad. He may have individual accolades but the ultimate goal of a professional team sport is to help your team win championships.

[3ba11]

There are several I could name as bad, but the absolute worst ones

Shaq outside the top 10
Wade at 30
Iverson at 31
Lucas at 46
Harden at 50

Harden just might be the worst of the group. How an MVP & 3x scoring champ barely finishes top 50 is beyond me. He's unquestionably had a more successful career and was better relative to the league than Ray Allen ever was. Same goes for Drexler & Reggie who were in the league at the same time.


The media is influenced by the winning spotlight

But the reality is that if Pippen's 5 apg and mid-tier playmaking helped MJ so much, then what would an elite offensive force and goat playmaker like Stockton or Harden do?

But again... It's all about winning spotlight

[SouBeachTalents]

I think Reggie and Ray get big boosts in placement from being 3pt record holders and essentially the Godfathers of the three point shot.

Not saying it's right or wrong, just that I presume that's what's going on there.

Altho they also had a lot of high profile clutch moments, which you cannot say of Soften and Drex. I think those also get weighed disproportionately.

Clyde is definitely getting shafted, but personally I would EASILY take Reggie or Ray Allen for my own team over Soften.
I honestly would too, they're arguably the most portable SG's of all time. But those dudes were, at best, BARELY top 10 players in the league in their primes, only making a handful of All-NBA Teams each and never being remotely close to being MVP. Harden meanwhile was a top 10 for nearly a decade, and top 5 for several seasons. There's just no way you could rank either of them over Harden, or if I'm being honest, even in the vicinity of him. He should be a good 20 spots ahead of either of them.

[FultzNationRISE]

I honestly would too, they're arguably the most portable SG's of all time. But those dudes were, at best, BARELY top 10 players in the league in their primes, only making a handful of All-NBA Teams each and never being remotely close to being MVP. Harden meanwhile was a top 10 for nearly a decade, and top 5 for several seasons. There's just no way you could rank either of them over Harden, or if I'm being honest, even in the vicinity of him. He should be a good 20 spots ahead of either of them.


It just depends on each person’s criteria for ranking. It sounds like most people are going with production, which I understand. Obviously theres high correlation between great players and productive players.

But I just cant bring myself to put guys like Westbrook, Harden, Melo on any “greatest” list when I literally wouldnt take them on my team over any halfway decent role player with a good attitude. I dont think those three guys (and a few others) help teams accomplish the main goal, which is a title. But obviously it’s very subjective and everyone’s got a slightly different perspective. But to me when Im thinking “greatest” Im thinking impact on the team’s competitive level, not just prolific individual production.

[Lebron23]

in fairness to LeBron he beat superior team than Jordan in the NBA finals. All of the teams that Team LeBron defeated were better than Jordan's opposition. If Jordan and LeBron switch places he won't be undefeated if MJ was the Cavaliers franchise player. The last time Jordan played against a real super team Larry Bird's Celtics swept his team. By the way I switched Shaq over Kobe. Kobe is top 11th or top 12th in my personal rankings only have 1 MVP, and 2 finals MVP.

[1987_Lakers]

List just came out.
Here are some of the questionable rankings.

24 John Stockton
29 Chris Paul
36 Dominique Wilkins
39 Kevin McHale
51 Reggie Miller
52 George Gervin
53 Clyde Drexler
58 Elvin Hayes
68 Russell Westbrook

In what way is CP3 at 29 questionable? You want him higher or lower? I think 29 is a reasonable spot for him.

I'm not mad at #58 for Elvin Hayes either.

Dominique at #36 is way to high IMO.

[John_Connor]

lol@ oscar still getting top 10 rankings. Westbrook should be top 5 then I guess

[John_Connor]

this list is obviously a retaliation for Kobe being drafted ahead of lebron on tnt

[3ba11]

I'm amazed that "the decision" resulted in #2 ranking

An impressive fraud in plain view

[1987_Lakers]

Just skimmed through the list. Who would have thought a place like ISH would have a better list? Lol

Carmelo at #69 which I guess it's where he belongs but then have Dominique at #36? They were basically the same caliber of player impact wise.

Harden only at #50 is bad, he should be higher.

[3ba11]

The rankings aren't based on basketball ability

They're based on media awards and triple-doubles

It's a testament to Jordan's greatness that he remains goat despite the deficit of the voters - he made it THAT obvious so even monkeys could pick him as goat 30 years after his prime

[tontoz]

In general guys that are still playing arent going to be as far up the list as many think they should be. In many cases guys won't really get their full due until they are done playing.

[1987_Lakers]

this list is obviously a retaliation for Kobe being drafted ahead of lebron on tnt

Kobe has been getting ranked #10-12 way before the TNT draft.

[Gohan]

Iverson is a top 10 player of all time espn got it wrong

[3ba11]

ESPN did these rankings based who is the most famous

which explains why Iverson and Pippen are above Kawhi

[3ba11]

How the hell does giannis sky rocket to #18 and kawhi is in the 30s

Kawhi had the better single season playoff run (he stayed healthy and his team didn't win without him).

Kawhi also has more finals mvps and more playoff vorp and win shares.

Playoff chokers like Stockton and Chris Paul are also way too high, they should be where harden is ranked at. They never did anything harden didn't do.

Looks like a list that a 10 year old came up with


It's based on who is the most famous

That's how all those people are above Kawhi

The rankings make sense if you go by who is most famous... Otherwise, their batshit rankings

Kawhi beat Embiid/Butler/Simmons and Giannis/Middleton and Curry/Klay/Dray.. That's borderline top 10 basketball performance

[John8204]

I think people should do their own rankings....for me

1.Jordan, 2. Wilt, 3. Lebron, 4.Bird, 5.KAJ, 6. Bill, 7.Magic, 8.Mikan, 9.Kobe, 10.Duncan
11. Oscar, 12. West, 13.Moses, 14. Hakeem, 15. DrJ, 16. Stockton, 17. Curry, 18. Dirk, 19. Hondo 20. CPIII
21. KG, 22. Barkley, 23. Pettit, 24. Baylor 25. Shaq. 26. K Malone, 27.Durant 28. Leonard 29. Frazier 30. Robinson
31. Barry, 32. Giannis, 33. Kidd, 34. Ewing, 35. Reed, 36. McHale, 37. AI, 38. Thomas. 39. Maravich 40. Harden
41. Archibald, 42. Cousey, 43. Dominique, 44.McAdoo 45.Pippen 46.Walton 47.Gervin 48.Wade 49. Thurmond, 50. Unseld
51.Schayes 52. Pierce, 53. Lucas, 54. Worthy, 55. Cowens, 56. Parish, 57.Nash 58.Arizin 59. Miller, 60. Hayes
61. Payton 62. Wilkens, 63. AD 64. Monroe, 65. Carmello, 66. Greer, 67. Rodman 68. Jones, 69. Cunningham, 70. Drexler
71. Allen 72. Debuschere, 73. Dame, 74. Bing 75. Westbrook, 76. Sharmann

[SouBeachTalents]

I think people should do their own rankings....for me

1.Jordan, 2. Wilt, 3. Lebron, 4.Bird, 5.KAJ, 6. Bill, 7.Magic, 8.Mikan, 9.Kobe, 10.Duncan
11. Oscar, 12. West, 13.Moses, 14. Hakeem, 15. DrJ, 16. Stockton, 17. Curry, 18. Dirk, 19. Hondo 20. CPIII
21. KG, 22. Barkley, 23. Pettit, 24. Baylor 25. Shaq. 26. K Malone, 27.Durant 28. Leonard 29. Frazier 30. Robinson
31. Barry, 32. Giannis, 33. Kidd, 34. Ewing, 35. Reed, 36. McHale, 37. AI, 38. Thomas. 39. Maravich 40. Harden
41. Archibald, 42. Cousey, 43. Dominique, 44.McAdoo 45.Pippen 46.Walton 47.Gervin 48.Wade 49. Thurmond, 50. Unseld
51.Schayes 52. Pierce, 53. Lucas, 54. Worthy, 55. Cowens, 56. Parish, 57.Nash 58.Arizin 59. Miller, 60. Hayes
61. Payton 62. Wilkens, 63. AD 64. Monroe, 65. Carmello, 66. Greer, 67. Rodman 68. Jones, 69. Cunningham, 70. Drexler
71. Allen 72. Debuschere, 73. Dame, 74. Bing 75. Westbrook, 76. Sharmann
Nice

[tontoz]

How the hell does giannis sky rocket to #18 and kawhi is in the 30s

Kawhi had the better single season playoff run (he stayed healthy and his team didn't win without him).

Kawhi also has more finals mvps and more playoff vorp and win shares.

Playoff chokers like Stockton and Chris Paul are also way too high, they should be where harden is ranked at. They never did anything harden didn't do.

Looks like a list that a 10 year old came up with


I see Uncle Dennis has a new alt. :lol

Kawhi has only 2 seasons playing 70 games. You aren't going to move up the rankings sitting on the bench. He didn't even average 20 ppg until he was 24.

Giannis is 3 years younger but he has already played more games than Kawhi. He has 2 MVPs (which Kawhi will never win) and is in the running for another this year.

[8Ball]

Not a bad list.

[3ba11]

Not a bad list.


Magic and Kareem only went 5-4 in the Finals, so they can't both be top 5 players - they're both overrated the list

And what if Lebron never formed super-teams and had no rings? They put the goat colluder and woat Finals record #2.. that's pretty dumb

[RogueBorg]

in fairness to LeBron he beat superior team than Jordan in the NBA finals. All of the teams that Team LeBron defeated were better than Jordan's opposition.

That's great and all but do we just pretend 2011 didn't happen? Do we just pretend he hasn't lost 6 times in the Finals, 3x by sweep?

You do know Santa Claus isn't real right?

[John_Connor]

Kobe has been getting ranked #10-12 way before the TNT draft.

kobe was drafted by the great Jerry west over your guy. it hurts I know

your guy lebron will always have the espn analytic "sources" department .. good for him

:lol

[SouBeachTalents]

That's great and all but do we just pretend 2011 didn't happen? Do we just pretend he hasn't lost 6 times in the Finals, 3x by sweep?

You do know Santa Claus isn't real right?
Jordan lost 7 times before the Finals, that isn't better :lol

[1987_Lakers]

kobe was drafted by the great Jerry west over your guy. it hurts I know

your guy lebron will always have the espn analytic "sources" department .. good for him

:lol

Of course West drafted Kobe ahead of MJ and LeBron, he drafted him to the Lakers and was Kobe's mentor. West looked at Kobe like a son and even gifted us Gasol to help out Kobe. If it wasn't for Jerry West, Kobe would have been another Iverson. Drafted by a shit franchise wasting his years averaging 30 ppg on 42 fg% and constant first round exits.

Kobe owed everything to Jerry West.

[3ba11]

Of course West drafted Kobe ahead of MJ and LeBron, he drafted him to the Lakers and was Kobe's mentor. West looked at Kobe like a son and even gifted us Gasol to help out Kobe. If it wasn't for Jerry West, Kobe would have been another Iverson. Drafted by a shit franchise wasting his years averaging 30 ppg on 42 fg% and constant first round exits.

Kobe owed everything to Jerry West.


Which approach wins more (don't cheat and look at the historical record):



A) getting 30 on 55% via frontcourt ball-dominance so teammates stand in corner and underperform

B) getting 30 on 45% with elite jumpshooting skill so the ball moves and teammates play to capacity

[John_Connor]

Of course West drafted Kobe ahead of MJ and LeBron, he drafted him to the Lakers and was Kobe's mentor. West looked at Kobe like a son and even gifted us Gasol to help out Kobe. If it wasn't for Jerry West, Kobe would have been another Iverson. Drafted by a shit franchise wasting his years averaging 30 ppg on 42 fg% and constant first round exits.

Kobe owed everything to Jerry West.

ooooh I get it. so when you think Jerry has lebron over kobe his opinion matters. but when he drafts him over your guy his opinion is voided lmao


stay hurt

[1987_Lakers]

ooooh I get it. so when you think Jerry has lebron over kobe his opinion matters. but when he drafts him over your guy his opinion is voided lmao


stay hurt

The fact that West chose LeBron over West in 2009 speaks volumes. Despite his bias towards Kobe he still went with LeBron.

[rmt]

I think people should do their own rankings....for me

1.Jordan, 2. Wilt, 3. Lebron, 4.Bird, 5.KAJ, 6. Bill, 7.Magic, 8.Mikan, 9.Kobe, 10.Duncan
11. Oscar, 12. West, 13.Moses, 14. Hakeem, 15. DrJ, 16. Stockton, 17. Curry, 18. Dirk, 19. Hondo 20. CPIII
21. KG, 22. Barkley, 23. Pettit, 24. Baylor 25. Shaq. 26. K Malone, 27.Durant 28. Leonard 29. Frazier 30. Robinson
31. Barry, 32. Giannis, 33. Kidd, 34. Ewing, 35. Reed, 36. McHale, 37. AI, 38. Thomas. 39. Maravich 40. Harden
41. Archibald, 42. Cousey, 43. Dominique, 44.McAdoo 45.Pippen 46.Walton 47.Gervin 48.Wade 49. Thurmond, 50. Unseld
51.Schayes 52. Pierce, 53. Lucas, 54. Worthy, 55. Cowens, 56. Parish, 57.Nash 58.Arizin 59. Miller, 60. Hayes
61. Payton 62. Wilkens, 63. AD 64. Monroe, 65. Carmello, 66. Greer, 67. Rodman 68. Jones, 69. Cunningham, 70. Drexler
71. Allen 72. Debuschere, 73. Dame, 74. Bing 75. Westbrook, 76. Sharmann

Shaq at 25 and Kobe at 9 - we can see where your bias is.

CP3 before Shaq, DRob, KG, Barkley, K Malone, Durant, Leonard, Barry, Giannis, Wade, ...

That's some messed up list

[John_Connor]

The fact that West chose LeBron over West in 2009 speaks volumes. Despite his bias towards Kobe he still went with LeBron.

what's wrong little fella. you should make another list on here. maybe that will help

and he said "going forward" in 2009 lmao. obviously not all time since lebron hadnt done anything yet. he said he surpassed kobe.. meaning at that time in 2009 when lebron was having the best season he was looked at as a better player than Kobe to him. and it was arguable. but if you asked Jerry who's higher all time or at their peak he picks kobe (hence drafting him ahead of lebron)

[RogueBorg]

Jordan lost 7 times before the Finals, that isn't better :lol

6 championships in 15 seasons trumps 4 championships in 19. Do I need to explain the math for you?

[1987_Lakers]

what's wrong little fella. you should make another list on here. maybe that will help

and he said "going forward" in 2009 lmao. obviously not all time since lebron hadnt done anything yet. he said he surpassed kobe.. meaning at that time in 2009 when lebron was having the best season he was looked at as a better player than Kobe to him. and it was arguable. but if you asked Jerry who's higher all time or at their peak he picks kobe (hence drafting him ahead of lebron)

I know, West said LeBron had surpassed him as a player in 2009. Kobe was in his prime too, yikes.

[SouBeachTalents]

6 championships in 15 seasons trumps 4 championships in 19. Do I need to explain the math for you?
That's what happens when your toughest opponent is the Ewing/Starks Knicks & Malone/Stockton Jazz. He would've never won 6 titles in any other era. His team also won 55 games immediately after he retired :lol

[RogueBorg]

6 championships in 15 seasons trumps 4 championships in 19. Do I need to explain the math for you?

Or to put it another way, this will be the 15th season Lebron hasn't won a championship, Jordan didn't win the chip in 9 seasons. Lebron throughout his career has won a championship in 21% of the seasons he's played in. It's 40% for Jordan.

[RogueBorg]

That's what happens when your toughest opponent is the Ewing/Starks Knicks & Malone/Stockton Jazz. He would've never won 6 titles in any other era.

Explain 2011 then.

Oh, as far as he would never have won 6 in any other era, you can't prove that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Explain 2011 then.

Oh, as far as he would never have won 6 in any other era, you can't prove that.
You can't prove anything that's hypothetical, but logic dictates if you place those Bulls a decade earlier with the Celtics, Lakers, Sixers & Pistons; or a decade later with the Lakers & Spurs, or the 2010's with the Warriors & Heat/Cavs, he's not winning 6 titles.

The 90's. ESP the late 90's were easily the weakest the league has been over the last 40 years. That's why I hate the rang argument, and in all honesty, it's a disservice to Jordan. There are numerous arguments you can make to place him as the GOAT, team accomplishments in a weak era shouldn't be the defining one as it's become to so many people over the last 10-20 years.

[John_Connor]

I know, West said LeBron had surpassed him as a player in 2009. Kobe was in his prime too, yikes.


well kobe was at the end of his prime that started in 2003 and lebron just began his. west said in the interview "again. this is going forward. it's a no brainer. lebron has surpassed kobe"

sounds more like an in the moment who would you draft for your team over the next decade and even I would laugh and say lebron for sure. Kobe had maybe 2 more prime years left in him before his body started breaking down

but for total careers/ peak west still picks kobe

the proof is literally on camera. you posted the video. go back and watch it any time. or stay in 2009 taking things out if context. your choice

[Gohan]

Harden would be more statistically productive in a regular season game.

But I wouldnt want him over Reggie if my goal was to be as competitive as possible when it matters.

We dont care what the fvck you want nikka, harden is a straight out better player than reggie. Whether he performs like it in the overrated/overhyped ass playoffs or not

[1987_Lakers]

well kobe was at the end of his prime that started in 2003

Kobe's prime was only 6 years?? That's it???

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAd/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Bron's prime lasted a decade plus.

[Gohan]

Kobe's prime was only 6 years?? That's it???

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAd/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Bron's prime lasted a decade plus.

Bron uses roids its not the same

[John_Connor]

Kobe's prime was only 6 years?? That's it???

https://c.tenor.com/s0amepmYJkMAAAAd/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Bron's prime lasted a decade plus.

kobes prime was 2003 to 2010.

I dunno if you can do math. but that's

2002-03
2003-04
2004-05
2005-06
2006-07
2007-08
2008-09
2009-10

8 years.. not 6... 8

I know you're mentally challenged on disability but you should have basic grasps of addition.. come on man. step it up

and kobes prime ended due to knee issues from many surgeries and loss of cartilage. then his last good year ended due to another injury. you know this even if math is tough. you know because you worship kobe and obsess about him more than anyone here.

[1987_Lakers]

Wait, the year Kobe shot 6-24 in the biggest game of his life is considered his prime??

My goodness, prime Kobe was worse than I thought. And 2005?? That was a prime Kobe I saw?

:yaohappy:

[John_Connor]

and if you notice I don't even count amazing years like 01 and 02 as his prime because he wasn't polished. you however count almost every year lebron played as his prime just based purely on production. Kobe had production. but he didn't have the skills perfected till 2003. so that's when I say his prime started.

if you only counted the years lebrons skills were at their best before his athletic decline.. you would only be able to count 2016, 2017 and 2018.. those are his true prime years. before that he was raw and after that he's in cement shoes on defense and gassing out nonstop

so kobes prime was in fact longer than lebrons

[John_Connor]

Wait, the year Kobe shot 6-24 in the biggest game of his life is considered his prime??

My goodness, prime Kobe was worse than I thought. And 2005?? That was a prime Kobe I saw?

:yaohappy:

kobe was great up until that last game 7. he was amazing vs Phoenix. that game 6 was definitely prime kobe. the index finger injury and knee issues on top of the physicality in the finals back when they actually played defense was too much for his body to handle and he was never truly the same guy after that.

[1987_Lakers]

kobe was great up until that last game 7. he was amazing vs Phoenix. that game 6 was definitely prime kobe. the index finger injury and knee issues on top of the physicality in the finals back when they actually played defense was too much for his body to handle and he was never truly the same guy after that.

We know, Kobe usually shit the bed once the Finals hit, that isn't news.

[John8204]

Shaq at 25 and Kobe at 9 - we can see where your bias is.

CP3 before Shaq, DRob, KG, Barkley, K Malone, Durant, Leonard, Barry, Giannis, Wade, ...

That's some messed up list

Well everyone is entitled to their own methodology for me I looked at two factors, players based upon their contemporaries in time and position.

Center -
1. Wilt, 2. Kareem, 3. Russell, 4. Mikan, 5. Moses, 6. Hakeem, 7. Shaq, 8. Robinson, 9. Ewing, 10. Reed, 11. McAdoo, 12. Walton, 13. Thurmond, 14. Unseld, 15. Schayes 16. Cowens, 17. Parish, 18. AD
Point Guard
1. Magic, 2. Oscar, 3.Stockton, 4. Curry, 5. CPIII, 6. Frazier, 7. Kidd, 8. Thomas, 9. Tiny Archibald, 10. Cousy, 11. Nash, 12. Payton 13. Wilkens, 14. Lillard, 15. Bing, 16. Westbrook, 17. Sharmann
Shooting Guard
1. Jordan, 2. Kobe, 3. West, 4. AI, 5. Maravich, 6. Harden, 7. Gervin, 8. Wade, 9. Miller, 10.Monroe, 11. Greer, 12. Jones, 13. Allen
Small Forward
1. Bird, 2. Dr J, 3. Hondo, 4.Barkley, 5. Baylor, 6.Durant, 7.Leonard, 8.Barry, 9. Pippen, 10. Pierce 11. Worthy, 12.Arizin, 13.Carmello, 14. Drexler
Power Forward
1. Lebron, 2. Duncan 3. Dirk 4. KG, 5. Pettit, 6. Malone, 7.Giannis, 8.Mchale, 9.Dominique, 10. Lucas, 11. Hayes, 12. Rodman, 13. Cunningham, 14. Debusschere

Then I did generation lists
50's/60's
1. Wilt, 2. Bill, 3. Mikan, 4. Oscar, 5. West, 6. Hondo, 7. Pettit, 8. Baylor, 9. Cousy, 10. Schayes, 11. Lucas, 12. Arizin, 13. Wilkens, 14. Greer, 15. Jones, 16. Debusshere, 17. Sharmann

70's
1. KAJ, 2. Moses, 3. Dr. J, 4. Frazier, 5.Barry, 6.Reed, 7. Maravich, 8.Archibald, 9. Mcadoo, 10. Walton, 11. Gervin, 12. Thurmond, 13. Unseld, 14. Cowens, 15. Hayes 16. Monroe, 17. Cunningham, 18. Bing

80's/90's
1. MJ, 2. Bird, 3. Magic, 4. Hakeem, 5. Stockton, 6. Barkley, 7. Malone, 8. Robinson, 9. Ewing, 10. McHale, 11. Thomas, 12. Dominique, 13. Pippen, 14. Worthy, 15. Parish 16. Miller, 17. Payton, 18. Rodman, 19. Drexler

00's
1. Kobe, 2. Duncan, 3. Dirk, 4. KG, 5. Shaq, 6. Kidd, 7. AI, 8. Wade, 9. Pierce, 10.Nash, 11. Carmello, 12. Allen

10's
1. Lebron, 2.Curry, 3.CPIII, 4.Durant, 5. Leonard, 6.Giannis, 7.Harden, 8. AD, 9. Dame, 10. Westbrook

[SouBeachTalents]

Well everyone is entitled to their own methodology for me I looked at two factors, players based upon their contemporaries in time and position.

Center -
1. Wilt, 2. Kareem, 3. Russell, 4. Mikan, 5. Moses, 6. Hakeem, 7. Shaq, 8. Robinson, 9. Ewing, 10. Reed, 11. McAdoo, 12. Walton, 13. Thurmond, 14. Unseld, 15. Schayes 16. Cowens, 17. Parish, 18. AD
Point Guard
1. Magic, 2. Oscar, 3.Stockton, 4. Curry, 5. CPIII, 6. Frazier, 7. Kidd, 8. Thomas, 9. Tiny Archibald, 10. Cousy, 11. Nash, 12. Payton 13. Wilkens, 14. Lillard, 15. Bing, 16. Westbrook, 17. Sharmann
Shooting Guard
1. Jordan, 2. Kobe, 3. West, 4. AI, 5. Maravich, 6. Harden, 7. Gervin, 8. Wade, 9. Miller, 10.Monroe, 11. Greer, 12. Jones, 13. Allen
Small Forward
1. Bird, 2. Dr J, 3. Hondo, 4.Barkley, 5. Baylor, 6.Durant, 7.Leonard, 8.Barry, 9. Pippen, 10. Pierce 11. Worthy, 12.Arizin, 13.Carmello, 14. Drexler
Power Forward
1. Lebron, 2. Duncan 3. Dirk 4. KG, 5. Pettit, 6. Malone, 7.Giannis, 8.Mchale, 9.Dominique, 10. Lucas, 11. Hayes, 12. Rodman, 13. Cunningham, 14. Debusschere

Then I did generation lists
50's/60's
1. Wilt, 2. Bill, 3. Mikan, 4. Oscar, 5. West, 6. Hondo, 7. Pettit, 8. Baylor, 9. Cousy, 10. Schayes, 11. Lucas, 12. Arizin, 13. Wilkens, 14. Greer, 15. Jones, 16. Debusshere, 17. Sharmann

70's
1. KAJ, 2. Moses, 3. Dr. J, 4. Frazier, 5.Barry, 6.Reed, 7. Maravich, 8.Archibald, 9. Mcadoo, 10. Walton, 11. Gervin, 12. Thurmond, 13. Unseld, 14. Cowens, 15. Hayes 16. Monroe, 17. Cunningham, 18. Bing

80's/90's
1. MJ, 2. Bird, 3. Magic, 4. Hakeem, 5. Stockton, 6. Barkley, 7. Malone, 8. Robinson, 9. Ewing, 10. McHale, 11. Thomas, 12. Dominique, 13. Pippen, 14. Worthy, 15. Parish 16. Miller, 17. Payton, 18. Rodman, 19. Drexler

00's
1. Kobe, 2. Duncan, 3. Dirk, 4. KG, 5. Shaq, 6. Kidd, 7. AI, 8. Wade, 9. Pierce, 10.Nash, 11. Carmello, 12. Allen

10's
1. Lebron, 2.Curry, 3.CPIII, 4.Durant, 5. Leonard, 6.Giannis, 7.Harden, 8. AD, 9. Dame, 10. Westbrook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a_3wQHcm_Y

[John8204]

You are more than welcome to rank the top 75 yourself....I would love to see your methodology

[SouBeachTalents]

Pretty interesting article about who they find overrated, underrated, and if in 25 years we’ll still have the same top 3.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33343387/nba-75th-anniversary-team-biggest-questions-our-top-76-countdown

[L.Kizzle]

I agree about McHale. He should be higher.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33343387/nba-75th-anniversary-team-biggest-questions-our-top-76-countdown

McHale was the first name mentioned as being too high ... and above Elvin Hayes at that.

[Manny98]

No Kyrie in the top 75 is an absolute joke :facepalm

[Gimmedarock]

In a few years, I think the top 50 or so will be a lot more guard heavy than it is now. Centers & power forwards are going to drop. Kareem & Wilt will stay in the top 10 I figure. Kyrie will definitely make the 20’s at least. Curry will be top 5. Who knows where Luka could end up. Easy top 10 to me. Lots of old school big men are dropping out entirely in favor of smaller skilled players. I could see Embid & KAT making top 30.

[SouBeachTalents]

No Kyrie in the top 75 is an absolute joke :facepalm
Dwight & McGrady didn’t make it but it’s Kyrie not being there that’s the “absolute joke”. Ok :lol

[L.Kizzle]

No Kyrie in the top 75 is an absolute joke :facepalm
-Kyrie or Klay
-Bosh or Love
-Dwight or Yao
-McGrady or Vince
-Chris Webber
-Deke or Zo
-English or Adrian Dantley or Bernard King

Those were the biggest omissions. Who was the biggest ...

[John_Connor]

-Kyrie or Klay
-Bosh or Love
-Dwight or Yao
-McGrady or Vince
-Chris Webber
-Deke or Zo
-English or Adrian Dantley or Bernard King

Those were the biggest omissions. Who was the biggest ...

all of these guys are top 50 talents but their careers are fringe top 75 and it's not a big deal any of them missed the cut. it's like why roger maris isn't in the hall of fame. he was really great for 6 years or so. if he just extended it to 10 years maybe he gets in


Dwight had the best career out if any of them. McGrady was the best individual talent/peak

[Phoenix]

all of these guys are top 50 talents but their careers are fringe top 75 and it's not a big deal any of them missed the cut. it's like why roger maris isn't in the hall of fame. he was really great for 6 years or so. if he just extended it to 10 years maybe he gets in


Dwight had the best career out if any of them. McGrady was the best individual talent/peak

You could say that about Dame and he made the list. Maybe the whole 'never got out of the first round' thing worked against Tmac but as a talent and peak he's comfortably better( and played in a tougher defensive era to boot).

[L.Kizzle]

You could say that about Dame and he made the list. Maybe the whole 'never got out of the first round' thing worked against Tmac but as a talent and peak he's comfortably better( and played in a tougher defensive era to boot).
Dominique made it out of the 1st round once, and all that crying over him for 25 seasons got him added to the Top 75.

McGrady should be here.

[Micku]

Well everyone is entitled to their own methodology for me I looked at two factors, players based upon their contemporaries in time and position.

Center -
1. Wilt, 2. Kareem, 3. Russell, 4. Mikan, 5. Moses, 6. Hakeem, 7. Shaq, 8. Robinson, 9. Ewing, 10. Reed, 11. McAdoo, 12. Walton, 13. Thurmond, 14. Unseld, 15. Schayes 16. Cowens, 17. Parish, 18. AD
Point Guard
1. Magic, 2. Oscar, 3.Stockton, 4. Curry, 5. CPIII, 6. Frazier, 7. Kidd, 8. Thomas, 9. Tiny Archibald, 10. Cousy, 11. Nash, 12. Payton 13. Wilkens, 14. Lillard, 15. Bing, 16. Westbrook, 17. Sharmann
Shooting Guard
1. Jordan, 2. Kobe, 3. West, 4. AI, 5. Maravich, 6. Harden, 7. Gervin, 8. Wade, 9. Miller, 10.Monroe, 11. Greer, 12. Jones, 13. Allen
Small Forward
1. Bird, 2. Dr J, 3. Hondo, 4.Barkley, 5. Baylor, 6.Durant, 7.Leonard, 8.Barry, 9. Pippen, 10. Pierce 11. Worthy, 12.Arizin, 13.Carmello, 14. Drexler
Power Forward
1. Lebron, 2. Duncan 3. Dirk 4. KG, 5. Pettit, 6. Malone, 7.Giannis, 8.Mchale, 9.Dominique, 10. Lucas, 11. Hayes, 12. Rodman, 13. Cunningham, 14. Debusschere

Then I did generation lists
50's/60's
1. Wilt, 2. Bill, 3. Mikan, 4. Oscar, 5. West, 6. Hondo, 7. Pettit, 8. Baylor, 9. Cousy, 10. Schayes, 11. Lucas, 12. Arizin, 13. Wilkens, 14. Greer, 15. Jones, 16. Debusshere, 17. Sharmann

70's
1. KAJ, 2. Moses, 3. Dr. J, 4. Frazier, 5.Barry, 6.Reed, 7. Maravich, 8.Archibald, 9. Mcadoo, 10. Walton, 11. Gervin, 12. Thurmond, 13. Unseld, 14. Cowens, 15. Hayes 16. Monroe, 17. Cunningham, 18. Bing

80's/90's
1. MJ, 2. Bird, 3. Magic, 4. Hakeem, 5. Stockton, 6. Barkley, 7. Malone, 8. Robinson, 9. Ewing, 10. McHale, 11. Thomas, 12. Dominique, 13. Pippen, 14. Worthy, 15. Parish 16. Miller, 17. Payton, 18. Rodman, 19. Drexler

00's
1. Kobe, 2. Duncan, 3. Dirk, 4. KG, 5. Shaq, 6. Kidd, 7. AI, 8. Wade, 9. Pierce, 10.Nash, 11. Carmello, 12. Allen

10's
1. Lebron, 2.Curry, 3.CPIII, 4.Durant, 5. Leonard, 6.Giannis, 7.Harden, 8. AD, 9. Dame, 10. Westbrook

What? Really?

I'm curious of what you would say about Dirk and KG over Shaq in the 00s. While I do think it should be rated by tiers, but I would personally think that Shaq/Kobe/Duncan dominated the 00s. Shaq more of the early 00s tho. I figured he accomplish more than Dirk and KG did in the first 6 years than Dirk and KG did in the entire decade.

And CP3 and KD, I would like to see the reasoning.

[SouBeachTalents]

What? Really?

I'm curious of what you would say about Dirk and KG over Shaq in the 00s. While I do think it should be rated by tiers, but I would personally think that Shaq/Kobe/Duncan dominated the 00s. Shaq more of the early 00s tho. I figured he accomplish more than Dirk and KG did in the first 6 years than Dirk and KG did in the entire decade.

And CP3 and KD, I would like to see the reasoning.
There is no reasoning to have Shaq 25th & Wade 50th, it’s complete stupidity :lol

[John8204]

What? Really?

I'm curious of what you would say about Dirk and KG over Shaq in the 00s. While I do think it should be rated by tiers, but I would personally think that Shaq/Kobe/Duncan dominated the 00s. Shaq more of the early 00s tho. I figured he accomplish more than Dirk and KG did in the first 6 years than Dirk and KG did in the entire decade.

And CP3 and KD, I would like to see the reasoning.

Plenty of reasons why, I feel like KG and Dirk were productive over a longer period of time. Dirk has 30K points, KG is arguably the best defensive PF of all-time and frankly more skilled. My problem with Shaq and a lot of this has to do with growing up watching him. I saw Shaq in Orlando play both sides of the ball and then he just put on so much weight in LA that one on one I don't think he could beat anyone in the top 30-40.

As for Chris Paul and Kevin Durant, Durant still has a career to play and he could move up into the top twenty. But he failed to win in OKC and he hasn't won in Brooklyn and he left rings on the table in Golden State. Chris Paul on the other hand has made every team he's played for into a playoff caliber team with significantly less talent. If I were to use a football analogy...Chris Paul is Bill Parcells...he has a track record of turning bad teams into good teams, Kevin Durant is Terrell Owens he should be in the conversation as the greatest in his position but his mental issues have made him into a locker room cancer.

I see in a number of threads about Lebron engaging in "collusion" to win championships...which is an opinion that I don't agree with. However with Shaq and Durant they were two players who left championship teams over ego and that also lowers my esteem of them.

Now as for Dwayne Wade...he's a middle of the road SG, he was better than Paul Pierce and not as good as Allen Iverson. The Dwayne Wade I saw was always a 2 and I think Gervin, Maravich, and Harden while not as successful concerning championships they were better because it was their teams. Wade to me is on the same level as Pippen, McHale, Cousy, Monroe etc.

[Baller789]

My problem with Shaq and a lot of this has to do with growing up watching him. I saw Shaq in Orlando play both sides of the ball and then he just put on so much weight in LA that one on one I don't think he could beat anyone in the top 30-40.

I'm confused. Could you expand on this a little bit more?

[John8204]

I'm confused. Could you expand on this a little bit more?

He got fat and slow, and teams had to work around his limits

[Baller789]

He got fat and slow, and teams had to work around his limits

No I meant the "I don't think he could beat anyone in the top 30-40" part.

[John8204]

No I meant the "I don't think he could beat anyone in the top 30-40" part.

If he was playing against the top guys one on one...I would put my money on the other guys. Which was Kobe's take on him and really the basketball reasons for the split.

[Baller789]

If he was playing against the top guys one on one...I would put my money on the other guys. Which was Kobe's take on him and really the basketball reasons for the split.

Nah. Even if he was overweight, most of them would still be BBQ chicken.

[Spurs m8]

I can't see the list, can someone tell me who is #1?

[Full Court]

I can't see the list, can someone tell me who is #1?

:roll:

The Bronies are DESPERATE.

[999Guy]

Harden would be more statistically productive in a regular season game.

But I wouldnt want him over Reggie if my goal was to be as competitive as possible when it matters.
What years? Miller had a more consistent playoff prime than Harden but that also includes Kobe too.

Miller didn’t reach the highs of 18-21 Harden in the playoffs thoughx

[Baller789]

I can't see the list, can someone tell me who is #1?

Not only ESPN, but the Athletic as well.

[Full Court]

Not only ESPN, but the Athletic as well.

Even the biased and Lebron slurping ESPN has Brony at






NUMBER 2 :roll:


And MJ at #1.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105801/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-10-1


Truth hurts. Don't cry, Bronies.

:lebrocry:

[Full Court]

Oh, and check out MSN.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAUajAV.img?w=534&h=401&m=6&x=89&y=105&s=473&d=282

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ranking-the-nba-s-top-75-by-tiers-there-is-only-one-goat/ar-AAUafgH

:roll:

Just in case anyone wondered why the Bronies have been in a state of utter desperation lately.

[John_Connor]

Oh, and check out MSN.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAUajAV.img?w=534&h=401&m=6&x=89&y=105&s=473&d=282

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ranking-the-nba-s-top-75-by-tiers-there-is-only-one-goat/ar-AAUafgH

:roll:

Just in case anyone wondered why the Bronies have been in a state of utter desperation lately.

they try saying brons above jordan then spend the last 3 days gushing about jordan looking lebrons way and acknowledging him like some god and Abraham shit or god and adam

only problem is jordan already did that shit with someone else
































http://hoopeduponline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/kobe-bryant-x-michael-jordan-creation-of-adam-illustration.jpg


:lol

[Duranthebest]

Garbage list. Ray Allen and Reggie Miller were never better than Paul Pierce. Ever.
Nobody can tell you what metric they are using to rank these players.

Pierce has higher career averages than both. More all star appearances, more all nba teams, more total points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals. A finals mvp. Plus the eye test told me he was way better than both.

Makes no sense how what you do on the basketball court doesnt matter anymore. Its about popularity/who is liked more.

[Duranthebest]

I like the MSN list better. More accurate even though I dont think highly of Iverson, Nash or Pippen.

[Gohan]

Oh, and check out MSN.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAUajAV.img?w=534&h=401&m=6&x=89&y=105&s=473&d=282

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ranking-the-nba-s-top-75-by-tiers-there-is-only-one-goat/ar-AAUafgH

:roll:

Just in case anyone wondered why the Bronies have been in a state of utter desperation lately.
Iverson should have been tier 3, that is all

[Spurs m8]

I can't see the list, can someone tell me who is #1?

Guys?

Anyone?

[Baller789]

Guys?

Anyone?

Crickets...

[guy]

You can't prove anything that's hypothetical, but logic dictates if you place those Bulls a decade earlier with the Celtics, Lakers, Sixers & Pistons; or a decade later with the Lakers & Spurs, or the 2010's with the Warriors & Heat/Cavs, he's not winning 6 titles.

The 90's. ESP the late 90's were easily the weakest the league has been over the last 40 years. That's why I hate the rang argument, and in all honesty, it's a disservice to Jordan. There are numerous arguments you can make to place him as the GOAT, team accomplishments in a weak era shouldn't be the defining one as it's become to so many people over the last 10-20 years.

Does it dictate that? Regardless of what you feel about the 90s thats not necessarily true.

The obvious scenario here is just moving the Bulls back 10 years. So it’s the 85 Bulls in 1975, 90 Bulls in 1980, 97 Bulls in 1987, etc.

So with that said, they still have a decent chance of winning 6. In 1978, you had 44 and 47 win teams making the finals, so it’s not crazy to assume the 1988 50 win Bulls teams in a tougher era with Jordan playing as dominant as he was couldn’t have started winning titles at that point. The same teams made the finals in 1989 so same thing there. Then what people seem to forget is the early 80s 76ers pre-Moses were nothing special. They were beating the Celtics or losing to them in 7 and they were very competitive against the Lakers, who ended up losing Kareem in the 1980 Finals. The 90-92 Bulls are basically a better version of that team with Jordan literally playing at his apex and Pippen probably being better than anyone on the 76ers other than Dr. J. So from 1978-1982 alone I would say they win 3-5 titles.

Then you have the 83 Sixers vs the 93 Bulls, 86 Celtics vs 96 Bulls, and 87 Lakers vs 97 Bulls. All-time great matchups and maybe the Bulls don’t win them all but they are at least winning 1 of those, and they could still end up winning all of them - the 80s Celtics, 80s Lakers, and Moses 76ers all either lost or almost lost to much worse teams then those Bulls i.e. the 81 Rockets, 83 Bucks, 84 Nets, 84 Knicks, 88 Hawks, 88 Jazz, 88 Mavs . I don’t think the 98 Bulls would win though.

[Baller789]

Does it dictate that? Regardless of what you feel about the 90s thats not necessarily true.

The obvious scenario here is just moving the Bulls back 10 years. So it’s the 85 Bulls in 1975, 90 Bulls in 1980, 97 Bulls in 1987, etc.

So with that said, they still have a decent chance of winning 6. In 1978, you had 44 and 47 win teams making the finals, so it’s not crazy to assume the 1988 50 win Bulls teams in a tougher era with Jordan playing as dominant as he was couldn’t have started winning titles at that point. The same teams made the finals in 1989 so same thing there. Then what people seem to forget is the early 80s 76ers pre-Moses were nothing special. They were beating the Celtics or losing to them in 7 and they were very competitive against the Lakers, who ended up losing Kareem in the 1980 Finals. The 90-92 Bulls are basically a better version of that team with Jordan literally playing at his apex and Pippen probably being better than anyone on the 76ers other than Dr. J. So from 1978-1982 alone I would say they win 3-5 titles.

Then you have the 83 Sixers vs the 93 Bulls, 86 Celtics vs 96 Bulls, and 87 Lakers vs 97 Bulls. All-time great matchups and maybe the Bulls don’t win them all but they are at least winning 1 of those, and they could still end up winning all of them - the 80s Celtics, 80s Lakers, and Moses 76ers all either lost or almost lost to much worse teams then those Bulls i.e. the 81 Rockets, 83 Bucks, 84 Nets, 84 Knicks, 88 Hawks, 88 Jazz, 88 Mavs . I don’t think the 98 Bulls would win though.

This.

[Manny98]

:eek:

[Manny98]

Dwight & McGrady didn’t make it but it’s Kyrie not being there that’s the “absolute joke”. Ok :lol
It is an absolute joke

You cannot tell me they're 75 players greater than Kyrie Irving :roll:

Damian Lillard? are you ****ing kidding me :roll:

[Manny98]

Honestly the more I think about it I think Kyrie's exclusion from the list was political/personal because of his stance on vaccines and his personality not getting on with the media ect

[John8204]

I'm okay keeping Kyrie off the 75 list...he'll get another look 100 for me the five worst omissions were

Alex English
Dwight Howard
Sidney Moncrief
Dikembe Mutombo
Klay Thompson

I think politics played a factor in keeping Dave Bing, Bill Sharrman, Billy Cunningham, Sam Jones, and Dave DeBusschere

I also think it was early for Lillard, Davis, Westbrook, Drexler and Allen especially compared to Jokic, McGrady, Carter, Mullin, and Richmund

[kawhileonard2]

Honestly the more I think about it I think Kyrie's exclusion from the list was political/personal because of his stance on vaccines and his personality not getting on with the media ect

Kyrie should had been on over Dame