When did Lebron learn the best strategy/brand of ball in the league like Curry and...

[3ba11]

other organic winners like Duncan, Kobe, or MJ?

Or Dirk - he won organically by developing the best chemistry in the league.

When did Lebron do this?.. When did he learn the best brand of ball in the league?

So isn't he inferior because he never learned superior basketball strategy/brand of ball and had to rely on a talent-based approach (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)?

We already know that he fields low ball movement and low-assist teams that get massively out-assisted in Finals

[Hey Yo]

Kobe ..... organic????

He refused to play for the team that wanted to draft him..... went ring chasing before the draft even started.

[3ba11]

Kobe ..... organic????

He refused to play for the team that wanted to draft him..... went ring chasing before the draft even started.


You're thinking about Magic, who demanded to play with Kareem

[Hey Yo]

Sorry chico..... just facts. Nothing organic about telling the Nets not to draft you.

[SouBeachTalents]

For once I agree with OP, recruiting peak KD to your 73 win team is the best strategy for winning championships. As is having your opponent missing 2 of their 3 best players for the entire Finals.

[ShawkFactory]

Oh cool, another repeat topic.

[3ba11]

For once I agree with OP, recruiting peak KD to your 73 win team is the best strategy for winning championships. As is having your opponent missing 2 of their 3 best players for the entire Finals.


Curry has winning longevity with the Warriors despite a different roster because the Warriors play a superior way (brand of ball)

Otoh, Lebron has brief stints with teams and cannot win over longer periods with a team because he wins by using up the short primes of teammates before moving on to younger, more talented teammates

He's just a talent-based winner and never learned good basketball (brand of ball), so he can't win organically (requires superior brand of ball)

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry has winning longevity with the Warriors despite a different roster because the Warriors play a superior way (brand of ball)

Otoh, Lebron has brief stints with teams and cannot win over longer periods with a team because he wins by using up the short primes of teammates before moving on to younger, more talented teammates

He's just a talent-based winner and never learned good basketball (brand of ball), so he can't win organically (requires superior brand of ball)
Curry recruited peak KD to join his 73 win team to win most of his rings. You can copy and paste about organic winning a thousand more times, but that's factually what happened. Curry did exactly what you criticize LeBron for, but in a MUCH worse and non competitive way than LeBron ever did :lol It's inconvenient for your agenda but, unfortunately for you, it's what happened. No amount of threads or posts you make will ever change that fact.

[3ba11]

Curry recruited peak KD to join his 73 win team to win most of his rings. You can copy and paste about organic winning a thousand more times, but that's factually what happened. Curry did exactly what you criticize LeBron for, but in a MUCH worse and non competitive way than LeBron ever did :lol It's inconvenient for your agenda but, unfortunately for you, it's what happened. No amount of threads or posts you make will ever change that fact.


Curry had the league favorite earlier this year with Poole - so Curry has winning longevity with 1 team regardless of roster because the Warriors play a superior way (brand of ball).

Otoh, Lebron's competitive time with the Lakers is already over just like his other stints because he relies on the short primes of his teammates (talent-based winner).. Lebron simply never learned to win (brand of ball) and only learned to team-hop (talent-based winner)

Ultimately, Lebron won all his rings by team-hopping, while Curry won organically in 2015 with 1st time all-stars as teammates, while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load) - Lebron never won a Finals organically or while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load).

[SouBeachTalents]

Curry had the league favorite earlier this year with Poole - so Curry has winning longevity with 1 team regardless of roster because the Warriors play a superior way (brand of ball).

Otoh, Lebron's competitive time with the Lakers is already over just like his other stints because he relies on the short primes of his teammates (talent-based winner).. Lebron simply never learned to win (brand of ball) and only learned to team-hop (talent-based winner)

Ultimately, Lebron won all his rings by team-hopping, while Curry won in organically in 2015 with 1st time all-stars as teammates, while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load) - Lebron never won a Finals organically or while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load).
I can assure you LeBron would've won virtually all of the series he's lost if his opponent was missing 2 of their 3 best players like the Cavs were in 2015. Beating injury riddled teams doesn't prove anything about organic winning :lol

[3ba11]

I can assure you LeBron would've won virtually all of the series he's lost if his opponent was missing 2 of their 3 best players like the Cavs were in 2015. Beating injury riddled teams doesn't prove anything about organic winning :lol


Did you read the thread title?... When did Lebron learn the best brand in the league like Curry, Duncan, MJ, and other organic winners?

You can't answer the question

Curry is still winning with the Warriors despite a different roster because they play a superior brand of ball - teams win organically by developing a superior brand of ball, which Lebron never did.. so he never learned how to win (brand of ball) and only knows how to team-hop.

He reached #2 fraudulently without actually knowing how to win (never learned a superior brand/strategy/chemistry)

[SouBeachTalents]

Did you read the thread title?... When did Lebron learn the best brand in the league like Curry, Duncan, MJ, and other organic winners?

You can't answer the question

Curry is still winning with the Warriors because they play a superior brand of ball - teams win organically by developing a superior brand of ball, which Lebron never did.. so he never learned how to win (brand of ball) and only knows how to team-hop.

He reached #2 fraudulently without actually knowing how to win
I already answered it. If Rashard/Hedo or KG/Pierce or Gasol/Odom had missed the entire series he would've won "organically" with Cleveland too. You can play dumb and pretend injuries didn't completely affect that series, but they did. Essentially your entire argument boils down to Curry winning "organically" by beating an injury depleted team, something LeBron never had the opportunity to do in Cleveland.

I know you love to narrow things down to simple terminology and concepts, but sports are MUCH more complex than that, and require the use of context, something you repeatedly and intentionally ignore to further your agenda.

[3ba11]

If Rashard/Hedo or KG/Pierce or Gasol/Odom had missed the entire series





That's exactly what happened in 2009 and Lebron still lost as a historic favorite.

Jameer Nelson was a high-producing East all-star in 2009 (5.1 BPM.. 0.220 WS/48.. 21 PER) - Dwight was MISSING this guy when he pulled one of the 5 biggest upsets in playoff history in the 09' ECF.

Losing as a historic favorite to an injured team confirms that Lebron had inferior brand of ball.. Thanks for highlighting this.. Lebron is too ball-dominant to win with high scoring.

In light of the loss to Dwight, it's clear that the 8 straight Finals is explained by forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - Lebron is otherwise a losing player that failed to win a weak East with homecourt BEFORE the super-teams, and now can't beat the West just like his previous runs with super-teams (4/10)... It all adds up






require the use of context, something you repeatedly and intentionally ignore to push your agenda.





Context? You won't even consider strategy or brand of ball in your analysis of why Lebron is 4/10 and never won organically... You only consider on-paper talent... That's really dumb

Ultimately, it's common knowledge that the Warriors, Spurs, or 90's Bulls had the best strategy/brand in the league

It's common knowledge that Dirk waited 10 years to develop the perfect chemistry and brand.

So teams win organically by developing the best strategy/brand/chemistry, but when did Lebron do this?... if he never learned superior brand and therefore doesn't know how to win (organic), then how can he be considered #2 all-time?

[SouBeachTalents]

That's exactly what happened in 2009 and Lebron still lost as a historic favorite.

Jameer Nelson was a high-producing East all-star in 2009 (5.1 BPM.. 0.220 WS/48.. 21 PER) - Dwight was MISSING this guy when he pulled one of the 5 biggest upsets in playoff history in the 09' ECF.

Losing as a historic favorite to an injured team confirms that Lebron had inferior brand of ball.. Thanks for highlighting this.. Lebron is too ball-dominant to win with high scoring.

In light of the loss to Dwight, it's clear that the 8 straight Finals is explained by forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning - Lebron is otherwise a losing player that failed to win a weak East with homecourt BEFORE the super-teams, and now can't beat the West just like his previous runs with super-teams (4/10)... It all adds up






Context? You won't even consider strategy or brand of ball in your analysis of why Lebron is 4/10 and never won organically... You only consider on-paper talent... That's really dumb

Ultimately, it's common knowledge that the Warriors, Spurs, or 90's Bulls had the best strategy/brand in the league

It's common knowledge that Dirk waited 10 years to develop the perfect chemistry and brand.

So teams win organically by developing the best strategy/brand/chemistry, so when did Lebron do this?... And if he never learned superior brand and doesn't know how to win (organic), then how can he be considered #2 all-time?
Now imagine if Dwight was missing Nelson AND Rashard, or Hedo. Very, very unlikely the Magic win that series when several of those games came down to the wire.

And the fact you think LeBron's strategy or brand of ball is to blame for his 4/10 Finals record, and not the fact he faced unprecedented, at least for a top 10 player, disparities in talent in at least half those Finals ('07, '15 & '18) speaks to how retarded that talking point really is. There's no strategy or brand of ball that LeBron, or any individual player could've implemented that would've overcome such a massive gap in talent.

[Hey Yo]

Jameer Nelson was a 1x all star. They don't count in your book, remember?

Try again.

[3ba11]

Now imagine if Dwight was missing Nelson AND Rashard, or Hedo. Very, very unlikely the Magic win that series when several of those games came down to the wire.





It's unfair to ask Curry to win organically in 2015 when another guy is stacking the deck.

Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet heading into the 15' season and the Warriors weren't top 10 in preseason odds... So Lebron's preseason favorite and super-team of 3 all-star 1st options was OVERKILL (and unprecedented).

You can't expect Curry to compete with that, so his collusion with KD was always acceptable..

And that's the problem with Lebron's deck-stacking - it forces others to do the same - it's like steroids







And the fact you think LeBron's strategy or brand of ball is to blame for his 4/10 Finals record, and not the fact he faced unprecedented, at least for a top 10 player, disparities in talent in at least half those Finals ('07, '15 & '18) speaks to how retarded that talking point really is. There's no strategy or brand of ball that LeBron, or any individual player could've implemented that would've overcome such a massive gap in talent.





The supporting talent and odds were nearly even or in Lebron's favor for 2009, 2011 and 2014, so he lost due to brand of ball each of those times.

Ultimately, all the organic winners played the best brand of ball in the league like the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors or 90's Bulls - Lebron never learned superior brand and his skillset prevents it (teammates become spot-up shooter), so he can't win organically/never learned how to win.. Since he never learned how to win (organic), he had to team-hop (talent-based winning)

[Axe]

Curry recruited peak KD to join his 73 win team to win most of his rings. You can copy and paste about organic winning a thousand more times, but that's factually what happened. Curry did exactly what you criticize LeBron for, but in a MUCH worse and non competitive way than LeBron ever did :lol It's inconvenient for your agenda but, unfortunately for you, it's what happened. No amount of threads or posts you make will ever change that fact.
Spot on.