LeBron says he is the GOAT because he can play 1-5 on offense and defense.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEo30Xcv5kc&t=2m0s

:lebronamazed:

2 min mark

[John_Connor]

soooo.... draymond > jordan?

[Gohan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEo30Xcv5kc&t=2m0s

:lebronamazed:

2 min mark

Lebron is goat cause he can use steroids and not get suspended or even exposed from it. How is that growth horomone in his mouth doing these days?

[John_Connor]

sooooo..... Odom > Jordan? lol

[John_Connor]

sooooo... boris diaw > Jordan

:lol

[John_Connor]

soooo.. Josh Smith > jordan

:rolleyes:

[John_Connor]

soooo... scottie barnes > jordan





























:roll:

[John_Connor]

/thread

[8Ball]

Finally he just says what we all know to be true.

In other words, water is wet.

[1987_Lakers]

I don't think any of those guys you listed could play shooting guard. All of them are worse 3 point shooter than Bron.

/thread.

[Full Court]

Brony has yet to play any defense this year at any position.

[SATAN]

I remember watching this and hearing him say that's the way he felt at the time again. I thought he must be doing this on purpose. He has these haters melting down 24/7 while laughing his ass off at them in private. :lol

[8Ball]

Who would have thought this all-star weekend created so much pain and agony amongst Jordan stans.

Just imagine when LeBron hits 40K regular season points. Chernobyl.

Or when he joins Milwaukee on the minimum in 2 years and helps them win 2 more chips with Bronny Jr sitting at the end of the bench. :lol

[John_Connor]

I don't think any of those guys you listed could play shooting guard. All of them are worse 3 point shooter than Bron.

/thread.

did you just end your own thread

:roll:

[Full Court]

did you just end your own thread

:roll:

The Bronies aren't a very intelligent bunch.

[1987_Lakers]

The Bronies aren't a very intelligent bunch.

Coming from a guy who thought the Lakers beat the Grizzlies without Morant.

Remember that? :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Coming from a guy who thought the Lakers beat the Grizzlies without Morant.

Remember that? :oldlol:

Yeah, I misremembered something and then admitted I was wrong.

Misremembering is one thing.

Being unable to use your brain for logical reasoning, on the other hand, is pure low IQ.

Is that all you got, homie? :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Being unable to use your brain for logical reasoning, on the other hand, is pure low IQ.

Is that all you got, homie? :lol

This is something you are literally known for.

That Carmelo-LeBron 74 wins thread was so bad that everyone in that thread called you out on it.

:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

sooooo..... Odom > Jordan? lol


its a tiebreaker sorta deal.

its like how you count rings but dont count horry

[Baller789]

If he was so great, why does he have to toot his own horn?

[John_Connor]

its a tiebreaker sorta deal.

its like how you count rings but dont count horry


I didn't know lebron had 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps, 10 scoring titles, a defensive player of the year, the all time scoring average in playoffs and regular season. the all time PER lead. an undefeated Olympic record, the most points ever scored in a playoff game and like 5 times as many 40,50,60 point games than I thought he had

weird. I thought lebron just had that longevity thing over him that kobe, Malone and Kareem also have.. oh yeah and the triple doubles thing that Westbrook is the all time best at by far and he's absolute dog shit

f*ck outa here with your tie shit lmao

[ArbitraryWater]

I didn't know lebron had 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps, 10 scoring titles, a defensive player of the year, the all time scoring average in playoffs and regular season. the all time PER lead. an undefeated Olympic record, the most points ever scored in a playoff game and like 5 times as many 40,50,60 point games than I thought he had

weird. I thought lebron just had that longevity thing over him that kobe, Malone and Kareem also have.. oh yeah and the triple doubles thing that Westbrook is the all time best at by far and he's absolute dog shit

f*ck outa here with your tie shit lmao


theyre basically tied in rings.

bron was denied 15 due to kyrie injury, mj won 1-2 to refs.

statistically peak tie

lebron's got the totality / longevity edge

simply been as good for longer

[1987_Lakers]

I didn't know lebron had 6 rings, 6 finals mvps,
6 rings in the weakest era of basketball excluding the 70's. Weak competition and a WNBA 3 point line


a defensive player of the year
MJ was not as an impactful defender in 1988 compared to someone like Hakeem. That DPOY holds little value.


the all time PER lead.
You talk so much shit about analytics, but ignore the fact that PER was created by a stat nerd who MADE sure MJ was the all-time leader in PER.


an undefeated Olympic record,
Getting desperate here, it's well known international play was garbage in the 80's & 90's.

But I'll give you credit for finally debating MJ vs LeBron, it's an actual real debate, unlike Kobe. MJ was by and large the greatest scorer ever who caused havoc on the defensive end in his prime. While LeBron was an elite scorer in his own right, not as good as MJ in that category, but more versatile, better passer, finisher, & can guard multiple positions. It all comes down to what you value more, I can see a valid argument for both MJ and LeBron.

[John_Connor]

6 rings in the weakest era of basketball excluding the 70's. Weak competition and a WNBA 3 point line


MJ was not as an impactful defender in 1988 compared to someone like Hakeem. That DPOY holds little value.


You talk so much shit about analytics, but ignore the fact that PER was created by a stat nerd who MADE sure MJ was the all-time leader in PER.


Getting desperate here, it's well known international play was garbage in the 80's & 90's.

But I'll give you credit for finally debating MJ vs LeBron, it's an actual real debate, unlike Kobe. MJ was by and large the greatest scorer ever who caused havoc on the defensive end in his prime. While LeBron was an elite scorer in his own right, not as good as MJ in that category, but more versatile, better passer, finisher, & can guard multiple positions. It all comes down to what you value more, I can see a valid argument for both MJ and LeBron.

https://i.ibb.co/6P5yr3T/cry-baby-sad.gif



all I see is


"waaaah"



"waaaaah"



"waaaaah"

:lol

[John_Connor]

you guys should stick to kobe comparisons. that's actually a debate that can last more than a minute

[tpols]

First off that's a lie. LeBron never dominated in the post like a PF or Center, and he never played any type of shooting guard off ball shooting role. He's always been just an oversized point guard. And versatility doesn't = GOAT. Shawn Marion or Boris Diaw could play more positions than Dirk. Who was better?

[1987_Lakers]

To add to MJ DPOY debate, lots of guards got overvalued on the defensive end in that era. I mean, in '87 Michael Cooper won DPOY. He was a very good man defender, but was he the best and most impactful? Hell no, not even close. No guard should ever win DPOY.

[John_Connor]

First off that's a lie. LeBron never dominated in the post like a PF or Center, and he never played any type of shooting guard off ball shooting role. He's always been just an oversized point guard. And versatility doesn't = GOAT. Shawn Marion or Boris Diaw could play more positions than Dirk. Who was better?

yeah his post offense and defense are horrendous lol. he was ok vs skinny durant but haven't seen anything great since. he gets abused by real centers

[1987_Lakers]

all I see is


"waaaah"



"waaaaah"



"waaaaah"

:lol

So you got nothing, got it.

[Spurs m8]

Man this Lakers b1tch sucks hahahahahah

[John_Connor]

To add to MJ DPOY debate, lots of guards got overvalued on the defensive end in that era. I mean, in '87 Michael Cooper won DPOY. He was a very good man defender, but was he the best and most impactful? Hell no, not even close. No guard should ever win DPOY.

you win lebrons better than Jordan. now go tell the world


https://youtu.be/RBuxBpiVr7k

[1987_Lakers]

yeah his post offense and defense are horrendous lol. he was ok vs skinny durant but haven't seen anything great since. he gets abused by real centers

I've seen with my own eyes LeBron clamp up Gasol, who would be a legit 5 today. People argue "Well he doesn't do that the entire game", no shit, when LeBron was at his peak defensively he was at his best on the perimeter causing havok with his help defense. Spoelstra understood this, Miami Heat LeBron was an all-time great defender, only maybe behind Pippen as far as SFs are concerned. I saw him lock up guards like MVP Rose and Tony Parker in the Finals and defend big men at high level in stretches. His defense was insanely versatile.

[RRR3]

I've seen with my own eyes LeBron clamp up Gasol, who would be a legit 5 today. People argue "Well he doesn't do that the entire game", no shit, when LeBron was at his peak defensively he was at his best on the perimeter causing havok with his help defense. Spoelstra understood this, Miami Heat LeBron was an all-time great defender, only maybe behind Pippen as far as SFs are concerned. I saw him lock up guards like MVP Rose and Tony Parker in the Finals and defend big men at high level in stretches. His defense was insanely versatile.
Why are you giving someone who said LeBron's post offense is horrendous a serious response? He's literally one of the most efficient post up scorers in the NBA.

[tpols]

yeah his post offense and defense are horrendous lol. he was ok vs skinny durant but haven't seen anything great since. he gets abused by real centers

Even in the warriors series he was put on either Harrison Barnes or dray. If he can guard all 5 positions why not put him on golden states best offensive players instead of their worst? Even on the Heat Shane Battier used to take KD and other stars that played his own position. They've always generally put LeBron on one of the weakest starters to let him hunt for steals and blocks.

[1987_Lakers]

Why are you giving someone who said LeBron's post offense is horrendous a serious response? He's literally one of the most efficient post up scorers in the NBA.

Yea, saying his post offense was horrendous in like 2009-2011 was a true thing, but to say that now is straight up dumb.

[John_Connor]

I've seen with my own eyes LeBron clamp up Gasol, who would be a legit 5 today. People argue "Well he doesn't do that the entire game", no shit, when LeBron was at his peak defensively he was at his best on the perimeter causing havok with his help defense. Spoelstra understood this, Miami Heat LeBron was an all-time great defender, only maybe behind Pippen as far as SFs are concerned. I saw him lock up guards like MVP Rose and Tony Parker in the Finals and defend big men at high level in stretches. His defense was insanely versatile.

I saw with my own eyes lebron get undressed by every single center that isn't an old fat unathletic white guy with no lower body strength and is barely taller than lebron lmao


face facts. any real 7 footer with physicality just abuses lebron down low. he just gives up and doesn't even go for a contest or the rebound sometimes. it's pathetic. only in that post center pre center resurgence era in the 2010s was lebron ever capable of getting away with it when his teams went small. now it just looks ridiculous.

Towns would drop 70 on his ass if he played him straight up

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Even in the warriors series he was put on either Harrison Barnes or dray. If he can guard all 5 positions why not put him on golden states best offensive players instead of their worst? Even on the Heat Shane Battier used to take KD and other stars that played his own position. They've always generally put LeBron on one of the weakest starters to let him hunt for steals and blocks.

They did that to conserve energy on offense, it's a thing Phil Jackson did all the time to Kobe & MJ, MJ rarely defended the best offensive player in the 2nd 3 peat, that was all Pippen or Harper's job.

And if you watch the 2013 Finals you will see LeBron on Parker a shit ton of times, and actually locking him up too.

[RRR3]

Yea, saying his post offense was horrendous in like 2009-2011 was a true thing, but to say that now is straight up dumb.
Everything he says sounds like something either Skip Bayless or a KKK member would say.

[1987_Lakers]

I saw with my own eyes lebron get undressed by every single center that isn't an old fat unathletic white guy with no lower body strength and is barely taller than lebron lmao


face facts. any real 7 footer with physicality just abuses lebron down low. he just gives up and doesn't even go for a contest or the rebound sometimes. it's pathetic. only in that post center pre center resurgence era in the 2010s was lebron ever capable of getting away with it when his teams went small. now it just looks ridiculous.

Towns would drop 70 on his ass if he played him straight up

:roll:

Imagine Kobe or MJ defending Gasol like this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E03dSMa7AdA

Wouldn't happen.

Phil Jackson for some weird reason put MJ on Divac in some stretch in the '91 Finals and it was embarrassing to see.

[John_Connor]

Imagine Kobe or MJ defending Gasol like this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E03dSMa7AdA

Wouldn't happen.

Phil Jackson for some weird reason put MJ on Divac in some stretch in the '91 Finals and it was embarrassing to see.

yes we all know paus a soft euro white boy that shoots mid range jumpers and had some of the most embarrassing moments as a defender in nba history. this is what I kept telling you. he has no lower center if gravity

remember this embarrassment


https://youtu.be/Sh2ZT1aPBoE

and you don't think Kobe can match gasols physicality huh?


https://youtu.be/QbtoJEKOH18


kobe took lebrons best on post ups and lit that dude up every time 1 on 1. Kobe isn't scared of either you f*cking clown

:lol

[Baller789]

Imagine Kobe or MJ defending Gasol like this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E03dSMa7AdA

Wouldn't happen.

Phil Jackson for some weird reason put MJ on Divac in some stretch in the '91 Finals and it was embarrassing to see.

Any other example of Lebron clamping up a center for more than a handful of posessions?

[1987_Lakers]

yes we all know paus a soft euro white boy that shoots mid range jumpers and had some of the most embarrassing moments as a defender in nba history. this is what I kept telling you. he has no lower center if gravity

remember this embarrassment


https://youtu.be/Sh2ZT1aPBoE

and you don't think Kobe can match gasols physicality huh?


https://youtu.be/QbtoJEKOH18


kobe took lebrons best on post ups and lit that dude up every time 1 on 1. Kobe isn't scared of either you f*cking clown

:lol

Yup, only averaged 19/11/3/2 on 56 fg% in our two playoff runs that resulted in championships, what a bum. :lol

[John_Connor]

Yup, only averaged 19/11/3/2 on 56 fg% in our two playoff runs that resulted in championships, what a bum. :lol

"our" lol.. you were a Cleveland fan at the time dummy .. you rooted against the kobe/gasol Lakers remember. you admitted it. you said you stopped being a fan after shaq left

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

"our" lol.. you were a Cleveland fan at the time dummy .. you rooted against the kobe/gasol Lakers remember. you admitted it. you said you stopped being a fan after shaq left

:roll:

I never said that. I said I became a fan because of Shaq. It was you who just last week made a thread on how Kobe was the worst player in history.

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501898-why-Kobe-is-the-worst-player-ever&p=14537034

[John_Connor]

I never said that. I said I became a fan because of Shaq. It was you who just last week made a thread on how Kobe was the worst player in history.

:roll:

you said kobes chucking in the 04 finals drove you to lebron

why would you cheer for Kobes Lakers after that. makes no sense. he's your mortal enemy. you obsess about him every day

[1987_Lakers]

you said kobes chucking in the 04 finals drove you to lebron

why would you cheer for Kobes Lakers after that. makes no sense. he's your mortal enemy. you obsess about him every day

If I wasn't a Laker fan then why would I make this thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?209811-Kobe-with-the-facial-on-LeBron

I cheered for Kobe, but I always knew deep down he wasn't as good as LeBron from like 2009 and after. I've always respected LeBron, but I became even more of a fan when he joined and won us a championship. I respect Kobe for being an all-time great, a top 12 player ever. But when you have retards like yourself naming him top 3...that's when I have to step in.

[Johnny32]

I don't think any of those guys you listed could play shooting guard. All of them are worse 3 point shooter than Bron.

/thread.

and none of them have the ability to drop 30 whenever they want. tard griff out here naming 15 ppg scorers.

[John_Connor]

If I wasn't a Laker fan then why would I make this thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?209811-Kobe-with-the-facial-on-LeBron

I cheered for Kobe, but I always knew deep down he wasn't as good as LeBron from like 2009 and after. I've always respected LeBron, but I became even more of a fan when he joined and won us a championship. I respect Kobe for being an all-time great, a top 12 player ever. But when you have retards like yourself naming him top 3...that's when I have to step in.

why did you make that thread? same reason you made the thread about Kobe being drafted over lebron. because you wanna boost traffic ....Steve

[John_Connor]

and none of them have the ability to drop 30 whenever they want. tard griff out here naming 15 ppg scorers.

sooooo.. because there's a bunch of guys that can play basically all 5 positions it's now suddenly about dropping 30 whenever a guy wants again. hmm.. wonder who the best ever was at doing that.

woops



sorry but lebron has never played shooting guard either. he can't chase one around screens or be relied on as a catch and shoot guy. he's never been listed at SG even once. he has the same problem as those other guys I mentioned

and he's only able to play center with other teams small lineups or if they have a slow soft white guy lol

[Full Court]

This is something you are literally known for.

That Carmelo-LeBron 74 wins thread was so bad that everyone in that thread called you out on it.

:oldlol:

It clearly demonstrated the absurdity of you and your ilk. The only people that "called me out" on it were your fellow low IQ Bronies.

You would literally try to argue that black is white and water is dry if you thought it would make your hero Brony look better.

Good luck with your damage control.

[Axe]

This is something you are literally known for.

That Carmelo-LeBron 74 wins thread was so bad that everyone in that thread called you out on it.

:oldlol:
:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

sorry but lebron has never played shooting guard either. he can't chase one around screens or be relied on as a catch and shoot guy. he's never been listed at SG even once. he has the same problem as those other guys I mentioned

and he's only able to play center with other teams small lineups or if they have a slow soft white guy lol

Wrong again, LeBron mostly played shooting guard in his rookie year and won ROY.

[Axe]

Full Court was actually dabigsalsisha from last year if i'm not mistaken. He got wrekt by 8ball, got banned and has been hiding on that dup ever since.

His lebron derangement syndrome just gets worse with each passing day, just like salty/soggy/crummy/incel m8.

[Full Court]

Full Court was actually dabigsalsisha from last year if i'm not mistaken. He got wrekt by 8ball, got banned and has been hiding on that dup ever since.

His lebron derangement syndrome just gets worse with each passing day, just like salty/soggy/crummy/incel m8.

Lol. Seriously?

This is now the 6th alt you guys have accused me of. You're just making yourself look dumb. Do I really trigger you that badly? Keep on digging, homie.

8ball's been getting destroyed be me on the regular.

[Axe]

You have an account dedicated to the player you hate the most. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

You have an account dedicated to the player you hate the most. :oldlol:

Dude, you're off the rails.

Why do you care so much? Do my discussions about Lebron trigger you?

Stop acting like a little snowflake.

[1987_Lakers]

why did you make that thread? same reason you made the thread about Kobe being drafted over lebron. because you wanna boost traffic ....Steve

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?217821-Your-2011-NBA-Postseason-Predictions

Go to post #3.

How does it feel being wrong so often?

[Johnny32]

sooooo.. because there's a bunch of guys that can play basically all 5 positions it's now suddenly about dropping 30 whenever a guy wants again. hmm.. wonder who the best ever was at doing that.

woops



sorry but lebron has never played shooting guard either. he can't chase one around screens or be relied on as a catch and shoot guy. he's never been listed at SG even once. he has the same problem as those other guys I mentioned

and he's only able to play center with other teams small lineups or if they have a slow soft white guy lol

it's about all of it you mouth breathing tard. the gap between mj/lbj and dray etc...offensively is huge. your post was stupid as fk. lebron is an elite scorer who scores more efficiently than jordan. he's a better rebounder, passer and defender. deal with it or just kill yourself. no one will care either way.

[Full Court]

GOATs don't have to try to convince people that they're the GOAT. People know.

OP thought this thread would look good for Brony, but it actually just adds fuel to the argument that he's a self inflating, insecure loser.

Like his stans on here.

:lebroncry:

[Axe]

it's about all of it you mouth breathing tard. the gap between mj/lbj and dray etc...offensively is huge. you're post was stupid as fk. lebron is an elite scorer who scores more efficiently than jordan. he's a better rebounder, passer and defender. deal with it or just kill yourself. no one will care either way.
And you claimed to be 45 in the other thread?

Lol bozo.

[Axe]

Dude, you're off the rails.

Why do you care so much? Do my discussions about Lebron trigger you?

Stop acting like a little snowflake.
You are the snowflake rofl. You are fuming mad that kong is one of the top players that the league has ever seen in the modern era.

[Full Court]

it's about all of it you mouth breathing tard. the gap between mj/lbj and dray etc...offensively is huge. you're post was stupid as fk. lebron is an elite scorer who scores more efficiently than jordan. he's a better rebounder, passer and defender. deal with it or just kill yourself. no one will care either way.

The Brony Bunch is an unstable and emotionally fragile lot. :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

GOATs don't have to try to convince people that they're the GOAT. People know.

OP thought this thread would look good for Brony, but it actually just adds fuel to the argument that he's a self inflating, insecure loser.

Like his stans on here.

:lebroncry:

Just like you thought it would look good to make this thread...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?502037-If-Longevity-Stats-Meant-Anything

Like seriously...wtf are you even trying to say here? :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

And you claimed to be 45 in the other thread?

Lol bozo.

why is this nerd obsessing over me? ignored for being some kind of weird stalker freak.

bye!

[Full Court]

You are the snowflake rofl. You are fuming mad that kong is one of the top players that the league has ever seen in the modern era.

Lol, ok. You call me fuming mad, but you're the one who gets triggered every time I post about Brony.

I have fun mocking the clown. It's entertaining. So entertaining that I'll probably keep on doing it.

:yaohappy:

[Full Court]

Just like you thought it would look good to make this thread...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?502037-If-Longevity-Stats-Meant-Anything

Like seriously...wtf are you even trying to say here? :oldlol:

Great thread!!!

If you can't figure it out, I'm not going to waste time trying to explain it to you.

Think about it really hard. You might get it eventually.

[1987_Lakers]

Great thread!!!

If you can't figure it out, I'm not going to waste time trying to explain it to you.

Think about it really hard. You might get it eventually.

I got it eventually despite your improper English in the OP.

You basically used Carmelo as an example of someone who had great longevity, lol.

"They should win 74 games because they have Carmelo"

Once I said Carmelo was washed, you quickly refuted that point and said Carmelo has been racking up points these last few years despite being washed, while completely ignoring the fact that LeBron has been getting his points while still being elite.

[Axe]

hurr durr kyuhh!!!
:roll:

[Axe]

Lol, ok. You call me fuming mad, but you're the one who gets triggered every time I post about Brony.

I have fun mocking the clown. It's entertaining. So entertaining that I'll probably keep on doing it.

:yaohappy:
Deflection as usual. :roll:

[Full Court]

I got it eventually despite your improper English in the OP.

You basically used Carmelo as an example of someone who had great longevity, lol.

"They should win 74 games because they have Carmelo"

Once I said Carmelo was washed, you quickly refuted that point and said Carmelo has been racking up points these last few years despite being washed, while completely ignoring the fact that LeBron has been getting his points while still being elite.

Once again, you're either not getting the point or ignoring it.

People like 8ball and Constipation continuously argue that longevity has primacy over everything else. Maybe you do too, but I can't think of any specific times that you've made that claim. Either way, that premise is ridiculous, as I clearly demonstrated using Carmelo as an example. Not to take anything away from Carmelo though, because he's a great player in his own right.

And if you call being elite getting scoring stats because you rest on defense while leading your stacked team to below .500...then we're just not going to agree on that.

[kawhileonard2]

Why couldn’t he hold a career loser in Dwight Howard then?

[1987_Lakers]

And if you call being elite getting scoring stats because you rest on defense while leading your stacked team to below .500...then we're just not going to agree on that.

This is when you lose me, calling the Lakers a stacked team is laughable. It's been well documented Westbrook has been horrendous this year, but because he's a big name you want label them as stacked. You also ignore that AD has missed a good chunk of time this year. If you simply watch them play you would see more often than not LeBron is still playing at a very high level.

That's like me saying Kobe wasn't an elite player in 2013 despite being on a stacked team. That was actually one of his better years, but the chemistry simply wasn't there despite having Gasol-Dwight & (Nash for half the season). That 2013 got way more hype than this 2022 Lakers team, and they failed miserably. Alot of people predicted adding Westbrook would be a disaster.

[Full Court]

This is when you lose me, calling the Lakers a stacked team is laughable. It's been well documented Westbrook has been horrendous this year, but because he's a big name you want label them as stacked. You also ignore that AD has missed a good chunk of time this year. If you simply watch them play you would see more often than not LeBron still play at a very high level.

That's like me saying Kobe wasn't an elite player in 2013 despite being on a stacked team. That was actually one of his better years, but the chemistry simply wasn't there despite having Gasol-Dwight & Nash for half the season. That 2013 got way more hype than this 2022 Lakers team, and they failed miserably. Alot of people predicting adding Westbrook would be a disaster.

Westbrook is only part of the problem. He's certainly not all of it. You guys want to put the responsibility on everybody else except for Lebron, the supposed leader of the team. Lebron's being a liability on defense is a factor too.

On paper, the Lakers should be a super team. Obviously, in practice they're not, because they have horrible defense and lack team chemistry.

2013 is a black mark on Kobe too.

[Baller789]

Westbrook is only part of the problem. He's certainly not all of it. You guys want to put the responsibility on everybody else except for Lebron, the supposed leader of the team. Lebron's being a liability on defense is a factor too.

On paper, the Lakers should be a super team. Obviously, in practice they're not, because they have horrible defense and lack team chemistry.

2013 is a black mark on Kobe too.

Lebron is a woman.


No accountability whatsoever.

[RRR3]

Westbrook is only part of the problem. He's certainly not all of it. You guys want to put the responsibility on everybody else except for Lebron, the supposed leader of the team. Lebron's being a liability on defense is a factor too.

On paper, the Lakers should be a super team. Obviously, in practice they're not, because they have horrible defense and lack team chemistry.

2013 is a black mark on Kobe too.
No it isn't, you're just too stupid to use context.

[Full Court]

No it isn't, you're just too stupid to use context.

Yes it is.

But you know what's an even bigger black mark? 2011 on Brony.

Truth hurts.

:lebroncry:

[GimmeThat]

Yes it is.

But you know what's an even bigger black mark? 2011 on Brony.

Truth hurts.

:lebroncry:

dipshit can't read body language, gets some off beat news and thinks he's in the know

[TheGoatest]

Reason #4573456 for why he is the GOAT.

[TheCorporation]

Lead all players in all categories
2016 James

MJ could never

[ClipperRevival]

MJ never once said he was the GOAT or yap about how great he is.

On the flip side, this diva fake GOAT once again tooting his own horn. Reason XXXX why so many can't stand this guy.

Real GOATS don't need to boost themselves, the world does it for you.

[TheGoatest]

MJ never once said he was the GOAT or yap about how great he is.


:oldlol:

Dude literally commissioned an entire propaganda "documentary" series for this very purpose.

:roll:

[Baller789]

:oldlol:

Dude literally commissioned an entire propaganda "documentary" series for this very purpose.

:roll:

Did he say he was the GOAT?

[ArbitraryWater]

how does one person make a lot of sense on social topics (kenneth, tpols) but zero with kobe? Lol

[Full Court]

Lol at Brony who thinks that claiming to be GOAT means anything.

And lol at the Bronie bunch on here who are dumb enough to believe it.

:lol

[nineiron]

he also said: "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6.."

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

MJ never once said he was the GOAT or yap about how great he is.

On the flip side, this diva fake GOAT once again tooting his own horn. Reason XXXX why so many can't stand this guy.

Real GOATS don't need to boost themselves, the world does it for you.

Mohammed Ali's laughing at you. Everyone hated him too, huh?

[Hey Yo]

he also said: "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6.."

:roll:

LOL @ thinking it's possible to win 6 titles under a 4yr contract.

Didn't think you were actually that ****ing dumb.

[Airupthere]

He did say that's how he felt at that moment only. Then reality kicks back in after the euphoria.

[RRR3]

how does one person make a lot of sense on social topics (kenneth, tpols) but zero with kobe? Lol
They don’t make sense on any topics, you’re just racist.

[nineiron]

LOL @ thinking it's possible to win 6 titles under a 4yr contract.

Didn't think you were actually that ****ing dumb.

he could have re-signed or got an extension. but we all know this colluding bitch wouldn't do that.

[Hey Yo]

he could have re-signed or got an extension. but we all know this colluding bitch wouldn't do that.

Or he could have been playing to the "Heat Fans" in the Miami facility ala pep rally style

You ever been to a pep rally before, chico?

[ClipperRevival]

Mohammed Ali's laughing at you. Everyone hated him too, huh?

Ali was a sh*t talker. He talked all day. Bron is not. He has diva tendencies, colludes, flops, sends subtle messages, etc.

Ali was willing to die in the ring. People RESPECTED Ali while many don't respect Bron for many reasons.

Sorry but how you conduct yourself saids a lot about you. Many will NEVER respect Bron like they do Ali or MJ.

[Airupthere]

Ali was a sh*t talker. He talked all day. Bron is not. He has diva tendencies, colludes, flops, sends subtle messages, etc.

Ali was willing to die in the ring. People RESPECTED Ali while many don't respect Bron for many reasons.

Sorry but how you conduct yourself saids a lot about you. Many will NEVER respect Bron like they do Ali or MJ.

100% this

[1987_Lakers]

Ali was a sh*t talker. He talked all day. Bron is not. He has diva tendencies, colludes, flops, sends subtle messages, etc.

Ali was willing to die in the ring. People RESPECTED Ali while many don't respect Bron for many reasons.

Sorry but how you conduct yourself saids a lot about you. Many will NEVER respect Bron like they do Ali or MJ.

It's well documented Ali was gonna get ready to quit vs Frazier in their 3rd fight, but Frazier beat him to it.

[Bronbron23]

Who would have thought this all-star weekend created so much pain and agony amongst Jordan stans.

Just imagine when LeBron hits 40K regular season points. Chernobyl.

Or when he joins Milwaukee on the minimum in 2 years and helps them win 2 more chips with Bronny Jr sitting at the end of the bench. :lol

You ok bruh? Mj getting more love from the fans in cle than bron got yall fakkits feelin a certain way:roll:

[bizil]

Bron FOR SURE is the best all around player of all time. When u factor numbers and two way positional versatility AS A PACKAGE! But GOAT status is about solo accolades, team accolades, longevity being great, peak-prime value, numbers, and impact on the league. When u look at OVERALL RESUME, MJ is still the GOAT. Peak-prime value (which positional versatility is tied into) is only one facet. Bron was NEVER a better scorer or individual defender than MJ! Better triple double thread, SURE!

BUT thing is MJ was AS VERSATILE as a 6'6 player could be pretty much. Legit could play and defend PG, SG, and SF at great levels. LEGIT could say he was the best scorer AND perimeter defender in the league at the same time. And was putting up 30-8-8 seasons BEFORE Pip came of age.

So the notion that Bron is the great all around player WHILE MJ was the great assassin needs to stop. It WAS MJ who set the template of having the ultimate blend of freak athletic ability, great scoring, great passing for his position, great rebounding for his position, and epic positional versatility in one package! Bron BUILT on that by being able to play the PF and C. But don't get it twisted, MJ was 1st FREAK ATHLETE who was the ultimate total package! With all due respect to Baylor and Dr. J, Mike's all around ability was more in line with an Oscar, West, or Hondo before him. And he MIXED it with the freak athletic shit of a Dr. J and Thompson!

[nineiron]

Ali was a sh*t talker. He talked all day. Bron is not. He has diva tendencies, colludes, flops, sends subtle messages, etc.

Ali was willing to die in the ring. People RESPECTED Ali while many don't respect Bron for many reasons.

Sorry but how you conduct yourself saids a lot about you. Many will NEVER respect Bron like they do Ali or MJ.

also, any boxer who talks shit KNOWS that they'll need to back it up in the ring. i can respect that.

but LeBitch and his constant passive aggressive BS is annoying AF

[Soundwave]

In this era, Jordan could probably play center too, lol. If LeBron had to guard a player like Shaq, or Hakeem or DRob or even Mutombo, he'd probably get killed in the post.

[John_Connor]

In this era, Jordan could probably play center too, lol. If LeBron had to guard a player like Shaq, or Hakeem or DRob or even Mutombo, he'd probably get killed in the post.

ya i don't see lebron even being able to guard some power forwards like prime mchale/barkley/duncan... imagine him trying to guard shaq, hakeem, robinson, ewing, kareem, wilt types


he can defend draymond and other small lineups big men.

theres no way he could have ever chased around AI, Curry, hamilton as a shooting guard without the zone defense/switching stuff... if it was man to man theres no way he could keep up with ray allen either.. its silly to say he could defend all 5 positions. maybe 2 tops under straight up rules in a real era

[nineiron]

In this era, Jordan could probably play center too, lol. If LeBron had to guard a player like Shaq, or Hakeem or DRob or even Mutombo, he'd probably get killed in the post.

good point. MJ would swat PJ Tucker's shot attempts to the 10th row

[Baller789]

Ali was a sh*t talker. He talked all day. Bron is not. He has diva tendencies, colludes, flops, sends subtle messages, etc.

Ali was willing to die in the ring. People RESPECTED Ali while many don't respect Bron for many reasons.

Sorry but how you conduct yourself saids a lot about you. Many will NEVER respect Bron like they do Ali or MJ.

Not to mention Lebron is corny AF.

Playoff mode anyone?
Not one, not two, not three...
I want my damn rezpekt!
Etc.

Hilarious.

[Full Court]

Ali was an anomaly. But even as one-of-a-kind as he was. He's not the GOAT. Sugar Ray Robinson is.

I maintain: GOATs don't have to go around telling people that they're great.

Bronie fails in so many ways. Insecure beta.

[3ba11]

.
1) Lebron plays all 5 positions



* he can't play the off-guard position, aka running off screens, etc

* he can't defend as a center and has never posted up for most of his field goals in any game, aka he's never played center... i.e. the announcer says he's starting at center, but Lebron plays his normal PG role after tip-off (aka it's BS)


3) Lebron can carry bad teams


* Iverson, Kidd, Dwight and 07' Lebron won the East with 1-star teams, yet Lebron failed to win it with homecourt in 09' or 10' - he needed super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning to produce the "Finals streak", and otherwise is lottery out West without AD being the "jordan" statistical leader (2020 playoff scoring champ).

* Failed to carry the East all-star center to the 05' Playoffs and needed to add a 22/5/5 all-defender and future COY to make 06' Playoffs.

* He had a bummy, 45-win team until Mo's spacing effect (prime-Klay offense) gave him a 66-win league favorite.


2) Lebron is a high IQ player


* He simply amasses enough talent to win (all-star team strategy) and never won via organic chemistry, superior strategy, or brand of ball.

* Lebron has many losses to superior brand of ball despite having a favorite or super-team each time (09', 10', 11', 14', 17').

* He fields low-assist teams that have inferior team offense, strategy and brand than the teams that beat him.. The inferior strategy necessitates more supporting talent and makes Lebron's teams the neediest in NBA history - the story for 20 years is how his teams need more help.

* He never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he can't elevate teammates, he never learned how to win (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).

* He starts at forward but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time).. These 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level.

* Lebron is built like Karl Malone but dribbles like Isiah - people conflate this physical talent with being a high IQ player - but his frontcourt ball-dominance and resulting low-assist teams proves otherwise... People also assume he could play like Karl Malone - Lebron can't play like Karl, who scored nearly 40k points AS THE ROLL MAN and off-ball or post-up.. That's the precise opposite of Lebron's skillset.

* Arguably no one lost with good teams more... He turned preseason favorites into Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') - that obviously isn't smart or high IQ but we already know that frontcourt ball-dominance underachieves a team's talent.

[Full Court]

3) Lebron can carry bad teams


The only thing Bronie can carry is the ball for an extra few steps when he drives. :lol

[Baller789]

The only thing Bronie can carry is the ball for an extra few steps when he drives. :lol

:roll:

[2much_knowledge]

Its a shame this realization came too late. He could have slow down Howard in 09 if he knew this then. Sad

[kawhileonard2]

Can't even guard guys at his position and gives up mvp's like crazy to them.

[TheCorporation]

2016

[kawhileonard2]

Couldn't hold Pierce, Tony Parker, Dirk, Iggy, Kawhi, Durant, Booker to name a few.

[Baller789]

Couldn't hold Pierce, Tony Parker, Dirk, Iggy, Kawhi, Durant, Booker to name a few.

Couldn't even stop a midget role player named Jason Terry.

[John_Connor]

lets look at lebrons history of guarding all 5 positions in the nba finals

PG - 2007 finals mvp Tony Parker
SG - 2015 finals mvp Andre Iguodala
SF - 2014 finals mvp Kawhi Leonard
PF - 2017 and 2018 finals mvp Kevin Durant
C - 2011 finals mvp Dirk Nowtizki



:roll:

[Baller789]

lets look at lebrons history of guarding all 5 positions in the nba finals

PG - 2007 finals mvp Tony Parker
SG - 2015 finals mvp Andre Iguodala
SF - 2014 finals mvp Kawhi Leonard
PF - 2017 and 2018 finals mvp Kevin Durant
C - 2011 finals mvp Dirk Nowtizki



:roll:

Yup. Pretty versatile.

[kawhileonard2]

lets look at lebrons history of guarding all 5 positions in the nba finals

PG - 2007 finals mvp Tony Parker
SG - 2015 finals mvp Andre Iguodala
SF - 2014 finals mvp Kawhi Leonard
PF - 2017 and 2018 finals mvp Kevin Durant
C - 2011 finals mvp Dirk Nowtizki



:roll:

:roll:

Also Dwight Howard in 2009, Paul Pierce in 2008 and 2010, Devin Booker in 2021 to name a few more.

[Full Court]

2016

2011

[expansionera]

1. Wilt
2. Bron
3. Russell

Can’t go wrong with any of these guys, all can lead their team in every single statistical category if they desire. All have the ability to sacrifice in a role best suited to help their team win. All best legitimate teams rather than winning in a weaker expansion era

[Baller789]

1. Wilt
2. Bron
3. Russell

Can’t go wrong with any of these guys, all can lead their team in every single statistical category if they desire. All have the ability to sacrifice in a role best suited to help their team win. All best legitimate teams rather than winning in a weaker expansion era

What did Lebron sacrifice?

[Full Court]

What did Lebron sacrifice?

He sacrificed the future of ever team he's been on.

[Axe]

1. Wilt
2. Bron
3. Russell

Can’t go wrong with any of these guys, all can lead their team in every single statistical category if they desire. All have the ability to sacrifice in a role best suited to help their team win. All best legitimate teams rather than winning in a weaker expansion era
Weaker expansion era that also involved the so-called great scottie pippen in it :oldlol:

[Baller789]

1. Wilt
2. Bron
3. Russell

Can’t go wrong with any of these guys, all can lead their team in every single statistical category if they desire. All have the ability to sacrifice in a role best suited to help their team win. All best legitimate teams rather than winning in a weaker expansion era


What did Lebron sacrifice?

Anyone wanna help this inbred expansionera out?