This Is What Team Cancer Looks Like

[Full Court]

https://sports.yahoo.com/le-bron-james-blows-smoke-to-fuel-lakers-fire-as-the-franchise-burns-204802591.html

Not according to me, according to Ben Rohrbach:

LeBron James blows smoke to fuel Lakers fire as the franchise burns


Where smoke surrounds LeBron James, there is always fire, and the Los Angeles Lakers are burning.

Whenever James has been dissatisfied in his career, whether he tells us directly or lets anonymous sources do the informing, whispers become louder right before a momentous change reverberates around the NBA. We have seen James spin this cycle through Cleveland, Miami, back to Cleveland and now in Los Angeles.

It should come as no surprise, then, that James has made headlines during the NBA's All-Star break, as his sub-.500 Lakers are languishing in ninth place and he nears the final year of his contract. The only thing left to wonder is what the franchise will look like when the other shoe drops between now and next season.

Chaos in Cleveland

Smoke first smoldered in 2005, when the Cavaliers were on the verge of missing the playoffs for the second time in as many years since drafting James. News of his unhappiness in Cleveland turned to reports that he could either seek a trade before his rookie contract extension came due in 2006 or accept a qualifying offer to become an unrestricted free agent in 2007. He was linked to the New York Knicks, via Spike Lee, and the New Jersey Nets, via Jay-Z, to the point new Cavs owner Dan Gilbert felt compelled to address the speculation.

Cavaliers general manager Jim Paxson panicked at the 2005 trade deadline, acquiring Jiri Welsch for the first-round draft pick that the Boston Celtics would turn into Rajon Rondo a year later. Cleveland collapsed, and inside of three months, Paxson, coach Paul Silas and James' agent, Aaron Goodwin, were all out of jobs.

We did not learn until later that James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh had begun plotting their partnership as early as 2006, when they played in the World Championships and signed abbreviated extensions, but the smoke started billowing long before James fled Cleveland in 2010. Teams were clearing salary cap space to pursue James for years. He all but declared in November 2008 that he would leave the Cavaliers if they could not deliver him a title. By November 2009, Pat Riley was openly recruiting James to the Miami Heat.

It depends on who you ask why a deal for Amar'e Stoudemire fell through at the 2010 trade deadline, but Cleveland GM Danny Ferry pivoted to Antawn Jamison at James' behest. Cavaliers coach Mike Brown was challenging James during games to play defense a month later, and James ultimately responded by leading a mutiny in the 2010 Eastern Conference semifinals. Brown concedes that James likely played a role in his firing after that season, and Ferry resigned shortly thereafter, essentially leaving the franchise to James.
Mayhem in Miami

Only, James left for South Beach that summer. By November 2010, when his newly established Heat were hovering around .500, he was suggesting Riley should replace coach Erik Spoelstra. Riley would not relent.

Consecutive titles in 2012 and 2013 resulted, sandwiched around James' public embrace of a possible return to Cleveland. He would not directly address his looming free agency prior to the ensuing season, when he was reportedly already exploring the possibility of rejoining the Cavaliers behind the scenes. Word leaked that the Lakers would also pursue him and Carmelo Anthony before a 2013-14 campaign in Miami that Wade likened to "a bad marriage." The Heat predictably felt James checked out of the 2014 Finals.

A week after Riley challenged James in his exit interview not to "find the first door and run out of it if you have an opportunity," James made it clear that he wanted the Heat to draft Shabazz Napier. They obliged, trading up to get the UConn point guard, but when Riley met with James nine days into 2014 free agency, the Heat president knew "the meeting wasn't sincere." We should have seen the writing on the wall when Gilbert deleted his open letter lambasting James' 2010 free-agency decision soon before his 2014 choice.

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Chaos in Cleveland Part Duh

James announced his return home on July 11, 2014, making clear No. 1 draft pick Andrew Wiggins was not part of his plans in Cleveland. James also signed the first of a series of short-term contracts to ensure he could leverage his smoke into fire at any point during his second stint with the Cavaliers. And he sure did. A lot.

On Dec. 30, 2014, his 30th birthday, James took a surprise two-week restorative sabbatical in Miami. Cleveland GM David Griffin promptly reshaped the roster in January 2015, acquiring J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and Timofey Mozgov. James returned to subtweet Kevin Love and subvert head coach David Blatt in the 2015 Finals. And Griffin fired Blatt in January 2016 in favor of James' preferred replacement, Tyronn Lue.

Even in the months before his Cavs won the 2016 championship, James publicly shared his desire to play with friends Anthony, Wade and Chris Paul. Multiple reports indicated that Kyrie Irving became convinced that James wanted him traded for Paul after the 2016 Finals, and when James again pushed for a swap of Irving and Paul George a year later, Irving asked out of Cleveland. In between, James demanded, "We need a f***ing playmaker," and Griffin responded by signing a 32-year-old Deron Williams off the scrap heap.

Griffin left the Cavs in the 2017 offseason, later admitting of building around James, "Everything we did was so inorganic and unsustainable and, frankly, not fun. I was miserable. Literally the moment we won the championship, I knew I was gonna leave. There was no way I was gonna stay for any amount of money."

James would not commit to re-signing with the Cavaliers beyond the final year of his contract in 2017-18, so incoming GM Koby Altman flipped Irving for a top-10 draft pick, Jae Crowder and the expiring contract of injured two-time All-Star point guard Isaiah Thomas in August 2017. James disapproved of the deal, and by the 2018 trade deadline, Altman was desperately trying to appease an unhappy James, reshaping the entire roster, apparently unaware of the breadcrumbs James had begun dropping en route to Los Angeles.

Limbo in Los Angeles

James' commitment to the Lakers on the first day of free agency in 2018 only confirmed a year's worth of leaks about his pursuit of a life on the West Coast. In his first season on his third team, he openly criticized his inexperienced teammates, pushed to trade them for Anthony Davis and privately called for coach Luke Walton's firing. Magic Johnson stunningly stepped down as team president at season's end, citing his lack of enjoyment in the job and specifically referencing the impending dismissal of Walton as a real bummer.

New Lakers GM Rob Pelinka promptly traded the team's future for Anthony Davis, and James rewarded them with a championship in 2020 and his signature on a two-year contract extension through June 2023.

Within a year, James urged the Lakers to trade the rest of their depth for Russell Westbrook. When that predictably failed, he called for more moves at this month's deadline. When none came, James used All-Star weekend to put the Lakers on notice — again. Just as he had done in Miami and twice in Cleveland.

A scythe has been looming over coach Frank Vogel all season. James heaped praise on Oklahoma City Thunder GM Sam Presti last week amid reports that Pelinka had rejected the superstar's proposal to trade Westbrook and a first-round draft pick for disgruntled former All-Star point guard John Wall. James also told The Athletic's Jason Lloyd over the weekend, "The door's not closed" on a potential return to Cleveland, and he plans to play for whichever team might draft his son, Bronny, as early as 2024, when James will turn 40.

Change is coming in Los Angeles. The call to deal Westbrook will reverberate for the rest of this season. The Lakers will have two first-round picks to attach to his expiring contract in hopes of satisfying James' roster demands this summer. Hot seats are burning under Vogel and Pelinka. NBA folk are even speculating that they should trade Davis. The Lakers will surely look nothing like their current iteration in six months.

Acquiring Jamison was not the answer in 2010. Drafting Napier was not the answer in 2014. Trading half the roster was not the answer in 2018. Swapping Westbrook and picks for Wall was not the answer in 2022. Anything is on the table, including the possibility that the Lakers mull the unthinkable: Trading James.

Team owner Jeanie Buss liked Magic. She likes Pelinka. The jury is out on Vogel. She knows as well as we do that James helped make this bed. She will have to decide if she is willing to cede her family business to James for as long as he is in L.A., or whether — like Riley, the former Lakers coach — she will challenge him to make it work without cycling through executives, coaches and teammates until the clip is empty.

We know how that worked out for the Heat. Even if the Lakers mortgage everything for one more shot to satiate James before he can enter unrestricted free agency at age 38 in 2023, there is no guarantee he does not orchestrate another exit, because history tells us where there is this much smoke, there is always fire.

[Airupthere]

Ben about to get attacked by rabid branstans lol

[Airupthere]

"... but Cleveland GM Danny Ferry pivoted to Antawn Jamison at James' behest. Cavaliers coach Mike Brown was challenging James during games to play defense a month later, and James ultimately responded by leading a mutiny in the 2010 Eastern Conference semifinals..."

:facepalm

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"Brown concedes that James likely played a role in his firing after that season"

"when his newly established Heat were hovering around .500, he was suggesting Riley should replace coach Erik Spoelstra"

"he openly criticized his inexperienced teammates, pushed to trade them for Anthony Davis and privately called for coach Luke Walton's firing."

Hmmmm....I'm detecting a pattern here.

[Axe]

This thread only shows that op has lds. I suggest you try to go outside to forget about him.

[BarberSchool]

Chaos in Cleveland Part Duh

James announced his return home on July 11, 2014, making clear No. 1 draft pick Andrew Wiggins was not part of his plans in Cleveland. James also signed the first of a series of short-term contracts to ensure he could leverage his smoke into fire at any point during his second stint with the Cavaliers. And he sure did. A lot.

On Dec. 30, 2014, his 30th birthday, James took a surprise two-week restorative sabbatical in Miami. Cleveland GM David Griffin promptly reshaped the roster in January 2015, acquiring J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and Timofey Mozgov. James returned to subtweet Kevin Love and subvert head coach David Blatt in the 2015 Finals. And Griffin fired Blatt in January 2016 in favor of James' preferred replacement, Tyronn Lue.

Even in the months before his Cavs won the 2016 championship, James publicly shared his desire to play with friends Anthony, Wade and Chris Paul. Multiple reports indicated that Kyrie Irving became convinced that James wanted him traded for Paul after the 2016 Finals, and when James again pushed for a swap of Irving and Paul George a year later, Irving asked out of Cleveland. In between, James demanded, "We need a f***ing playmaker," and Griffin responded by signing a 32-year-old Deron Williams off the scrap heap.

Griffin left the Cavs in the 2017 offseason, later admitting of building around James, "Everything we did was so inorganic and unsustainable and, frankly, not fun. I was miserable. Literally the moment we won the championship, I knew I was gonna leave. There was no way I was gonna stay for any amount of money."

James would not commit to re-signing with the Cavaliers beyond the final year of his contract in 2017-18, so incoming GM Koby Altman flipped Irving for a top-10 draft pick, Jae Crowder and the expiring contract of injured two-time All-Star point guard Isaiah Thomas in August 2017. James disapproved of the deal, and by the 2018 trade deadline, Altman was desperately trying to appease an unhappy James, reshaping the entire roster, apparently unaware of the breadcrumbs James had begun dropping en route to Los Angeles.

Limbo in Los Angeles

James' commitment to the Lakers on the first day of free agency in 2018 only confirmed a year's worth of leaks about his pursuit of a life on the West Coast. In his first season on his third team, he openly criticized his inexperienced teammates, pushed to trade them for Anthony Davis and privately called for coach Luke Walton's firing. Magic Johnson stunningly stepped down as team president at season's end, citing his lack of enjoyment in the job and specifically referencing the impending dismissal of Walton as a real bummer.

New Lakers GM Rob Pelinka promptly traded the team's future for Anthony Davis, and James rewarded them with a championship in 2020 and his signature on a two-year contract extension through June 2023.

Within a year, James urged the Lakers to trade the rest of their depth for Russell Westbrook. When that predictably failed, he called for more moves at this month's deadline. When none came, James used All-Star weekend to put the Lakers on notice — again. Just as he had done in Miami and twice in Cleveland.

A scythe has been looming over coach Frank Vogel all season. James heaped praise on Oklahoma City Thunder GM Sam Presti last week amid reports that Pelinka had rejected the superstar's proposal to trade Westbrook and a first-round draft pick for disgruntled former All-Star point guard John Wall. James also told The Athletic's Jason Lloyd over the weekend, "The door's not closed" on a potential return to Cleveland, and he plans to play for whichever team might draft his son, Bronny, as early as 2024, when James will turn 40.

Change is coming in Los Angeles. The call to deal Westbrook will reverberate for the rest of this season. The Lakers will have two first-round picks to attach to his expiring contract in hopes of satisfying James' roster demands this summer. Hot seats are burning under Vogel and Pelinka. NBA folk are even speculating that they should trade Davis. The Lakers will surely look nothing like their current iteration in six months.

Acquiring Jamison was not the answer in 2010. Drafting Napier was not the answer in 2014. Trading half the roster was not the answer in 2018. Swapping Westbrook and picks for Wall was not the answer in 2022. Anything is on the table, including the possibility that the Lakers mull the unthinkable: Trading James.

Team owner Jeanie Buss liked Magic. She likes Pelinka. The jury is out on Vogel. She knows as well as we do that James helped make this bed. She will have to decide if she is willing to cede her family business to James for as long as he is in L.A., or whether — like Riley, the former Lakers coach — she will challenge him to make it work without cycling through executives, coaches and teammates until the clip is empty.

We know how that worked out for the Heat. Even if the Lakers mortgage everything for one more shot to satiate James before he can enter unrestricted free agency at age 38 in 2023, there is no guarantee he does not orchestrate another exit, because history tells us where there is this much smoke, there is always fire.LeFraud Shames attitude, tactics, and projecting blame game have been exactly that of a spoiled lying vindictive trophy wife b!tch, his entire career.

Why everyone doesn’t hate this dude is a mystery.

Cause it doesn’t take a genius to realize that dude doesn’t operate like a grown man or a natural leader. He acts like a trophy wife who bankrupts her husband to assuage her ego, and constantly low key threatens divorce.

It’s truly disgusting to see a man’s mind work like this.

[Full Court]

This thread only shows that op has lds. I suggest you try to go outside to forget about him.

And Axey responds to every thread I've ever made. My streak is alive :roll:

[Axe]

And Axey responds to every thread I've ever made. My streak is alive :roll:
I mean imagine trying to be like 3ball with this psychotic obsession about a consensus modern goat player. :lol

Krazy fool. :facepalm

[AlternativeAcc.]

38 yo lebron still expected to carry worthless franchises to titles.

That's amazing man. Still the best in the league by a lot. This is a 10 win team that he has bordering on playoff threat, and also stirring up the franchise to make more moves in order to position themselves for a potential miracle title run. That'd be 2 miracle runs in 3 years.

Building a dynasty in the worst franchise in sports, created by the biggest cancer ever Kobe Bryant. (Rip)

:bowdown:
Lebron is incredible

[Spurs m8]

As i always say...its amazing anyone stans this guy

Says everything about what kind of person his stans are
..

[3ba11]

It's remarkable that people don't understand this guy team-hopped around for super-teams and otherwise would have no rings - frontcourt ball-dominance is the most suboptimal way to play (letting a big dominate the ball) and needs ridiculous help - we've never seen a player beg for help all year long for every year of his career

And people just accept it - "oh look, lebron has another super-team but still needs more help - neediest teams in history for 2 decades but it's all coincidence every time - #2 all-time"

[Spurs m8]

It's remarkable that people don't understand this guy team-hopped around for super-teams and otherwise would have no rings - frontcourt ball-dominance is the most suboptimal way to play (letting a big dominate the ball) and needs ridiculous help - we've never seen a player beg for help all year long for every year of his career

And people just accept it - "oh look, lebron has another super-team but still needs more help - neediest teams in history but it's all coincidence - still #2 all-time"

Exactly

[Full Court]

I mean imagine trying to be like 3ball with this psychotic obsession about a consensus modern goat player. :lol

Krazy fool. :facepalm

Imagine being so emotional that you get upset when someone criticizes a pro basketball player on the internet.

:biggums:

[Axe]

Imagine being so emotional that you get upset when someone criticizes a pro basketball player on the internet.

:biggums:
Nothing wrong about calling you out for your lunatic comments in many threads having to do with kong. :confusedshrug:

[John8204]

Lebron has won a ring at every team he's played for.

Not bad for a "team cancer"

[Axe]

Lebron has won a ring at every team he's played for.

Not bad for a "team cancer"
Op has a hard time accepting this. Or i bet him not joining the bulls bt hurt him too.

[3ba11]

I mean imagine trying to be like 3ball with this psychotic obsession about a consensus modern goat player. :lol

Krazy fool. :facepalm


There's no such thing as "a modern goat player", since the literal meaning of that is "a modern greatest of all-time player".... which makes no sense and doesn't exist

So you're literally making up gibberish and distorting the English language to prop up your guy, which is literally crazy - it's literally delusional and crazy to make up new English phrases that make no sense - you're crazy for doing it, and I'm normal for pointing out your craziness

By definition, there's only one greatest of all-time, and it's widely recognized as Jordan, not Lebron

It's insane that you guys sacrifice integrity to prop this fraud up - he literally hand-picked all the league's best players and mostly lost with his hand-picked preseason favorites - you think this is coincidence because you don't understand basketball (brand of ball).. lol smh

[Axe]

There's no such thing as "a modern goat player", since the literal meaning of that is "a modern greatest of all-time player".... which makes no sense and doesn't exist

So you're literally making up gibberish and distorting the English language to prop up your guy, which is literally crazy - it's literally delusional and crazy to make up new English phrases that make no sense - you're crazy for doing it, and I'm normal for pointing out your craziness

By definition, there's only one greatest of all-time, and it's widely recognized as Jordan, not Lebron
Not as gibberish as you trying to say oubre jr. > klay last season tho. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Nothing wrong about calling you out for your lunatic comments in many threads having to do with kong. :confusedshrug:

Doesn't bother me at all. But you do get really emotional. Very woman-like at times.

[3ba11]

Not as gibberish as you trying to say oubre jr. > klay last season tho. :oldlol:


Oubre/Klay was just a wrong take - it happens

You're making up new phrases that make no grammatical sense, which is literally crazy

[Full Court]

Op has a hard time accepting this. Or i bet him not joining the bulls bt hurt him too.

Lol. The one and only thing pertaining to the game of basketball that would get me FURIOUS is if Bronie joined the Bulls.

Won't ever happen though, so I'm not worried.

:hammertime:

[3ba11]

Lol. The one and only thing pertaining to the game of basketball that would get me FURIOUS is if Bronie joined the Bulls.

Won't ever happen though, so I'm not worried.

:hammertime:


It's funny because no one really wants Lebron anymore - here's Colin and Bucher skeptical at Lebron wanting to return to Cleveland:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqH034ZXi-4&t=04m27s

[Full Court]

It's funny because no one really wants Lebron anymore - here's Colin and Bucher skeptical at Lebron wanting to return to Cleveland:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqH034ZXi-4&t=04m27s

Yeah, I seriously doubt even Cleveland wants him at this point. Why would you sign a choke-in-the-clutch stat padder who is a defensive sieve? Maybe he could go to a team like the rockets for the veteran's minimum.

[Axe]

Doesn't bother me at all. But you do get really emotional. Very woman-like at times.
Trying too hard to deflect as usual.

[Axe]

Oubre/Klay was just a wrong take - it happens

You're making up new phrases that make no grammatical sense, which is literally crazy
Another case of deflection lmao. Also i'm not the one who makes a thread about a hated player dayly.

[Full Court]

Trying too hard to deflect as usual.

Getting upset as usual.

Funny how you come in my threads, don't even attempt to make an intelligent counter-argument to whatever point I make, and just act like nobody has a right to criticize Brony.

That's cool though. Do your thing.

[Axe]

Lol. The one and only thing pertaining to the game of basketball that would get me FURIOUS is if Bronie joined the Bulls.

Won't ever happen though, so I'm not worried.

:hammertime:
Yet you clearly talk more about him than your 'fave' team here. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Yet you clearly talk more about him than your 'fave' team here. :oldlol:

And I'm going to keep on talking about him.

Becuase the man

just

can't

stop

losing. :roll:

So yeah, I'll be doing MUCH more talking about Bronie.

And I'm sure you'll be in every one of my threads. ;)

[Axe]

Getting upset as usual.

Funny how you come in my threads, don't even attempt to make an intelligent counter-argument to whatever point I make, and just act like nobody has a right to criticize Brony.

That's cool though. Do your thing.
I never said you can never criticize him. I just said that you frequently do so that you seem to have some form of derangement syndrome about him.

[Spurs m8]

Here we go AGAIN...

Axe gonna spend his entire weekend, melting down at full court

[Axe]

Here we go AGAIN...

Axe gonna spend his entire weekend, melting down at full court
Soggy m8 trying to defend his bf op as usual.

[Full Court]

I never said you can never criticize him. I just said that you frequently do so that you seem to have some form of derangement syndrome about him.

One man's derangement syndrome is another man's hobby.

I post on ISH for entertainment. I'm not sure what you're trying to do here....do you think you're going to talk me into not making fun of Bronie anymore?

Because good luck with that. :lol

[Axe]

One man's derangement syndrome is another man's hobby.

I post on ISH for entertainment. I'm not sure what you're trying to do here....do you think you're going to talk me into not making fun of Bronie anymore?

Because good luck with that. :lol
Lol but you make yourself look bad doing so. I'm not a stan of his but saying he's just top five at best is pure cringe.

[Full Court]

Lol but you make yourself look bad doing so. I'm not a stan of his but saying he's just top five at best is pure cringe.

Actually I said he's fringe top 10. Along with Kobe.

And let's see....I just checked my list of goals, and looking good to you isn't one of them. :cheers:

I am flattered that you're concerned about my image though.

[Axe]

Actually I said he's fringe top 10. Along with Kobe.

And let's see....I just checked my list of goals, and looking good to you isn't one of them. :cheers:

I am flattered that you're concerned about my image though.
Kobe a fringe top 10? Lmao that would make 3ball mad, the guy who you're trying to idolize here. And you know i said that because i don't want you to become like him.

[Full Court]

Kobe a fringe top 10? Lmao that would make 3ball mad, the guy who you're trying to idolize here.

I like 3ball, but I don't agree with him on everything. He overrates Kobe and way underrates Pippen.

But he does understand the game of basketball better than most people on here.

[Axe]

I like 3ball, but I don't agree with him on everything. He overrates Kobe and way underrates Pippen.

But he does understand the game of basketball better than most people on here.
:roll:

Understands the game yet never accepts the fact that phil jackson is one of the goat coaches of all-time. Don't be clueless.

[Full Court]

:roll:

Understands the game yet never accepts the fact that phil jackson is one of the goat coaches of all-time. Don't be clueless.

He's some bias. Like I said, I don't agree with him on everything.

He's certainly not an idiot like some of the people on here.

[AirBonner]

Weekend #356 of op not going outside

[Full Court]

Weekend #356 of op not going outside

Lol. You know that this is the 21st century.... and you can access the internet from outside, right?

:roll:

[Axe]

He's some bias. Like I said, I don't agree with him on everything.

He's certainly not an idiot like some of the people on here.
You're only saying that because like you, he obviously hates king kong too. :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

Lol. You know that this is the 21st century.... and you can access the internet from outside, right?

:roll:

That is a foreign concept to a bron stan...as its redundant

[Full Court]

You're only saying that because like you, he obviously hates king kong too. :oldlol:

No, because he is capable of making intelligent arguments.

There are a couple of Bronies on here who are not idiots, but when have you ever seen TheConstipation or TheGoatest or 8ball post anything remotely resembling intelligence?

And I don't even hate Bronie. He's one of the greats. His fans though....that's another story.

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[Axe]

No, because he is capable of making intelligent arguments.

There are a couple of Bronies on here who are not idiots, but when have you ever seen TheConstipation or TheGoatest or 8ball post anything remotely resembling intelligence?

And I don't even hate Bronie. He's one of the greats. His fans though....that's another story.
:yaohappy:

The same thing can be said about mj and kobe stans. Actually any fanbase who think their heroes are gods.

[Full Court]

:yaohappy:

The same thing can be said about mj and kobe stans. Actually any fanbase who think their heroes are gods.

Fair enough. But on here, it's pretty much just the Bronies. Are there even any kobe stans left?

[Axe]

Fair enough. But on here, it's pretty much just the Bronies. Are there even any kobe stans left?
3ball, tpols (aka thurston), kenneth and ImKobe are all kobe stans. There were even more of them who were active the past few years but ofc given your join date you haven't got enough sight of them.

[3ba11]

:roll:

Understands the game yet never accepts the fact that phil jackson is one of the goat coaches of all-time. Don't be clueless.


Jordan was the goat candidate when they won in 90/91, while Phil was a 1st-time, nobody coach.

Phil won no rings without Jordan or his clone Kobe - the triangle required quick bailouts throughout the game (no ball-dominance) and Jordan invented the quick-iso footwork for this, which Kobe copied..

Without this unprecedented bailout ability, and without MJ agreeing to accept the offense, the triangle would've remained an unknown offense that never won - no one would know who Phil was without the players to make his losing offense work.. Ultimately, everyone is results-oriented and quick to anoint anyone with a ring count - but it's okay to say someone coattailed - coattailing IS a thing

Phil was just likeable and managed personalities well, while his stature eventually followed the winning - he had to win 72 to get COY with MJ

[Full Court]

3ball, tpols (aka thurston), kenneth and ImKobe are all kobe stans. There were even more of them who were active the past few years but ofc given your join date you haven't got enough sight of them.

3ball a Kobe stan??? He's the most Jordan-crazy poster on here.

[Axe]

3ball a Kobe stan??? He's the most Jordan-crazy poster on here.
Nope, he only uses him as his cover-up goat because kobe has very little (if not none) compelling goat arguments over lebron. :oldlol:

With that statement, once again, you sound clueless.

[Full Court]

Nope, he only uses him as his cover-up goat because kobe has very little (if not none) compelling goat arguments over lebron. :oldlol:

With that statement, once again, you sound clueless.

When someone repeatedly claims Jordan is GOAT, and you say it's a cover-up GOAT and they don't really believe it....


THAT, my friend, is what sounds clueless.

[WhiteKyrie]

As i always say...its amazing anyone stans this guy

Says everything about what kind of person his stans are
..
Both have piss poor character.

[Axe]

When someone repeatedly claims Jordan is GOAT, and you say it's a cover-up GOAT and they don't really believe it....


THAT, my friend, is what sounds clueless.
Nope, you are.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497353-Why-is-3ball-too-scared-to-compare-his-idol-Kobe-to-LeBron-Why%92s-he-hide-behind-MJ

[Axe]

When someone repeatedly claims Jordan is GOAT, and you say it's a cover-up GOAT and they don't really believe it....


THAT, my friend, is what sounds clueless.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ


I threw Kobe a bone that day because I was thinking about his death - but even Kobe doesn't think he's as good as MJ.. it's not as ridiculous as saying Lebron equals MJ, but it's still ridiculous to compare Kobe and MJ.. MJ is obviously superior

[Full Court]

Nope, you are.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497353-Why-is-3ball-too-scared-to-compare-his-idol-Kobe-to-LeBron-Why%92s-he-hide-behind-MJ


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496852-3ball-slips-up-reveals-self-to-be-a-butthurt-Kobe-stan-just-using-MJ-to-attack-LBJ

Really, dude? Your "evidence" consists of threads made by RRR3, one of the biggest idiots on this forum?

I'm going with what 3ball says of RRR3 any day. He says he has Jordan as GOAT, I take him at his word. You're reeeeeaaaaally reaching here.

[Axe]

Really, dude? Your "evidence" consists of threads made by RRR3, one of the biggest idiots on this forum?

I'm going with what 3ball says of RRR3 any day. He says he has Jordan as GOAT, I take him at his word. You're reeeeeaaaaally reaching here.
You're an idiot. You have had beefs with the guy so ofc you wouldn't agree with what he pointed out in those threads.

[Axe]

I threw Kobe a bone that day because I was thinking about his death - but even Kobe doesn't think he's as good as MJ.. it's not as ridiculous as saying Lebron equals MJ, but it's still ridiculous to compare Kobe and MJ.. MJ is obviously superior
Liar lol

[Full Court]

You're an idiot. You have had beefs with the guy so ofc you wouldn't agree with what he pointed out in those threads.

I've only had beefs with him because he's an idiot.

And if you can't clearly see that the agenda in those threads is to poke at and troll 3ball, then you're just as lost. 3ball says crazy stuff all the time. There's even a post where he says, "1. Lebron 2. MJ."

I supposed that means he's doing a double GOAT cover-up to hide who he REALLY thinks is the GOAT.

:roll: You're just lost.

[3ba11]

Liar lol


It's a fact. I've never said anything like that about Kobe before in 40k posts

[Full Court]

Can you imagine arguing with somebody about who THEY have ranked #1? Like someone ELSE knows better than you how you rank players in your own mind???

:roll: You can't make this stuff up.

[ArbitraryWater]

Really, dude? Your "evidence" consists of threads made by RRR3, one of the biggest idiots on this forum?

I'm going with what 3ball says of RRR3 any day. He says he has Jordan as GOAT, I take him at his word. You're reeeeeaaaaally reaching here.


its well documented that 3ball is an mj/kobe stan

[Axe]

I've only had beefs with him because he's an idiot.

And if you can't clearly see that the agenda in those threads is to poke at and troll 3ball, then you're just as lost. 3ball says crazy stuff all the time. There's even a post where he says, "1. Lebron 2. MJ."

I supposed that means he's doing a double GOAT cover-up to hide who he REALLY thinks is the GOAT.

:roll: You're just lost.

Can you imagine arguing with somebody about who THEY have ranked #1? Like someone ELSE knows better than you how you rank players in your own mind???

:roll: You can't make this stuff up.
Imagine being flat-out retarded like this stubborn sucker. :roll:

Anyway, your reaction is distorted as usual because you hate kong and his stans so much. But you can't overlook the fact that 3ball also has tons of threads and posts about lebron than many of his stans here. You don't seem aware that he's doing his bitter crusade daily. Plus, some true bulls and mj stans like kuniva and 97bulls aren't pleased with his behavior at all. He's one of the main reasons why many from the mj fanbase have become tight-lipped here since he's such a big nuisance itb. And to know that you think he's just fine is funny af.

[Full Court]

Imagine being flat-out retarded like this stubborn sucker. :roll:

Anyway, your reaction is distorted as usual because you hate kong and his stans so much. But you can't overlook the fact that 3ball also has tons of threads and posts about lebron than many of his stans here. You don't seem aware that he's doing his bitter crusade daily. Plus, some true bulls and mj stans like kuniva and 97bulls aren't pleased with his behavior at all. He's one of the main reasons why many from the mj fanbase have become tight-lipped here since he's such a big nuisance itb.

There you go, being all emotional like a PMSing woman again. :roll:

Cry it out. You'll be ok.

[Axe]

Again, trying too hard to deflect because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he's an idiot for accepting 3ball for who he is. What a scum. :lol

[Spurs m8]

Nothing like a weekend Axe meltdown

[SATAN]

Axe destroying these retards itt.

[Gohan]

Again, trying too hard to deflect because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he's an idiot for accepting 3ball for who he is. What a scum. :lol

3ball is actually alright hes no worse than southbeachtalents or thegoatest tbh

[iamgine]

Well he did get all the franchises ring so yeah

[theman93]

So basically James is a leech that destroys your franchise before moving on and can't win organically.

The details are juicy, but we all already knew this. :lol

[Full Court]

Axe destroying these retards itt.

Aaaaaaaaaand here's Beezleblubber to show off his low IQ again.

[Full Court]

Again, trying too hard to deflect because he doesn't want to acknowledge that he's an idiot for accepting 3ball for who he is. What a scum. :lol

Wahhhh. And you're just a fragile snowflake who can't handle people giving there opinion. It's really kind of pathetic.

[LAL]

I threw Kobe a bone that day because I was thinking about his death - but even Kobe doesn't think he's as good as MJ.. it's not as ridiculous as saying Lebron equals MJ, but it's still ridiculous to compare Kobe and MJ.. MJ is obviously superior

Throwing Kobe a bone? MJ is the goat but Kobe went up against real defenders and defensive schemes. MJ would've needed more tricks and would've used more of his face up game (like he did when going up against defenders his size) like Kobe had to. Going 1 on 1 against smaller defenders on an island thanks to that illegal defense rule.

Throwing a bone lol.

[jmcwilliams]

Well done article. It is exactly in line with Kevin durant's comments about Lebron's toxic culture and what most of us have observed. Lebron, figured out, for a brief point in NBA history how to buy and coerce championships. His era is gone now and you see teams are back to focusing on organic team building. Although Cleveland is thankful for his contribution everyone will always remember that MJ is indeed the goat.

[Axe]

Wahhhh. And you're just a fragile snowflake who can't handle people giving there opinion. It's really kind of pathetic.
Lmao what? I mean you're the one who said before that jordan is not your hero yet you obviously have big problems with people who rank kong (lebron) above him. So you are the freaking snowflake here. :roll:

[Full Court]

Lmao what? I mean you're the one who said before that jordan is not your hero yet you obviously have big problems with people who rank kong (lebron) above him. So you are the freaking snowflake here. :roll:

Not true, but even if it were, why would you care?

Either you're a closet member of the Brony Bunch, or you're a snowflake.

[Axe]

Not true, but even if it were, why would you care?

Either you're a closet member of the Brony Bunch, or you're a snowflake.
Again, because you said jordan isn't your hero. Doofus.

[Full Court]

Again, because you said jordan isn't your hero. Doofus.

So then why do you get triggered by my criticism of Brony? Is he your hero? Or are you a snowflake?

[Axe]

So then why do you get triggered by my criticism of Brony? Is he your hero? Or are you a snowflake?
You're a cancer lol. You don't have to keep on going in every kong threads to let everyone know that you're an avid hater of his.

[Full Court]

You're a cancer lol. You don't have to keep on going in every kong threads to let everyone know that you're an avid hater of his.

You have almost 23,000 posts, and I have yet to see a single post from you that actually contributes to basketball discussion.

Take this thread for instance. I post a well-written article that is very pertinent to what is going on in this current NBA season.

You come in the thread, don't offer any counter-arguments. Don't offer anything remotely intelligent for that matter. You post, "This thread only shows that op has lds. I suggest you try to go outside to forget about him."

Looks to me like you just can't stand anything negative about Brony.

Well, too bad, homie.

[Baller789]

Axe going full force when being called out :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Axe going full force when being called out :oldlol:

He really gets triggered lol.

I didn't think he was one of the Brony Bunch, but I'm starting to think I was wrong.

[Baller789]

He really gets triggered lol.

I didn't think he was one of the Brony Bunch, but I'm starting to think I was wrong.

Notice he likes to "help out" Bron stans while distancing himself at the same time. His hate of Steph Curry is also telling.

Just an observation.

[Axe]

:cry:
Oof looks like i suddenly got you writing a novel like a madman. :roll:

[Axe]

Notice he likes to "help out" Bron stans while distancing himself at the same time. His hate of Steph Curry is also telling.

Just an observation.
Oh now what? You going to lick his bleeding nuts rn huh puppy? :(

[3ba11]

Notice he likes to "help out" Bron stans while distancing himself at the same time. His hate of Steph Curry is also telling.

Just an observation.


The sober reality is that Lebron only knows how to play 1 way (big man ball-dominance), so he ties the coach's hands and forces them to implement a beginner format with the big man dominating the ball and 4 shooters around him.

28/8/8 players with a low assisted rate (ball-dominators) like Luka, Lebron, Westbrook or Harden only play 1 way - ball-dominance - hence those guys often get demolished (even with super-teams) and can't achieve the best brand of ball in the league, as required to win organically..

Otoh, Jordan's elite jumpshooting skill, post dominance and on-ball/off-ball versatility can play in a wider variety of team strategies and high-assist formats that that yield the best brand of ball or teammate fits, as required to win organically.

[Full Court]

Oof looks like i suddenly got you writing a novel like a madman. :roll:

Wow, what a great comeback!

Lol.

Pa the tic

What else you got, snowflake?

[Baller789]

Wow, what a great comeback!

Lol.

Pa the tic

What else you got, snowflake?

Careful.

You don't wanna trigger a man with over 22k posts!

[Full Court]

Careful.

You don't wanna trigger a man with over 22k posts!

Oh, it's way to late for that.

I've already triggered him so much that he's been on a 3 page meltdown. :roll:

[Axe]

Got these phagg0ts on a spin. :hammertime:

Op a butthurt troll who still needs some castrating.

[Bawkish]

Axe & Full Court were just like my parents in a Monday morning :lol

[Full Court]

Got these phagg0ts on a spin. :hammertime:

Op a butthurt troll who still needs some castrating.

And you're still a snowflake.

And your hero Brony is still fringe top ten.

:lebroncry:

[Axe]

And you're still a snowflake.

And your hero Brony is still fringe top ten.

:lebroncry:
A fringe top ten who still has a better ring than your hero baldan? Ok bub dabigsalsisha. Whatever makes you sleep at night. :yaohappy:

[Full Court]

A fringe top ten who still has a better ring than your hero baldan? Ok bub dabigsalsisha. Whatever makes you sleep at night. :yaohappy:

I know what makes you sleep at night.

Weeping! :roll:

:lebroncry:

[Shogon]

LeBron is a narcissist and will be an incredibly incredibly bad GM/owner one day. Shocker. Most ex players aren’t able to GM. Hell most people period can’t do it.

Still one of the greatest to ever do it but this is not exactly a surprise.

High in game IQ and or ability does not necessarily correlate with high off court IQ and or ability… particularly when it comes to long term building which requires vision, meticulous planning and imagination.

Sounds like he is not aware of the fact that most of his off court basketball roster decisions are dog shit. Just like MJ.

[Axe]

I know what makes you sleep at night.

Weeping! :roll:

:lebroncry:
The irony. :oldlol:

You're the one who continuously make threads whining about lebron often.

[WhiteKyrie]

The best HOF player who became GM is Jerry West and the best HOF player who became coach is Larry Bird. Hmm, interesting. I’d argue West is the best GM in the NBA of all time, too.

[NBAGOAT]

LeBron is a narcissist and will be an incredibly incredibly bad GM/owner one day. Shocker. Most ex players aren’t able to GM. Hell most people period can’t do it.

Still one of the greatest to ever do it but this is not exactly a surprise.

High in game IQ and or ability does not necessarily correlate with high off court IQ and or ability… particularly when it comes to long term building which requires vision, meticulous planning and imagination.

Sounds like he is not aware of the fact that most of his off court basketball roster decisions are dog shit. Just like MJ.

not wrong. I thought KD was a lot better at team building. GS was maybe the GOAT team talent wise and fit well too and recruiting harden was great but the kyrie stuff doesnt look good now. still teaming with kyrie was a good move at the time. Kawhi isnt great either, staying in toronto would've given him a better chance at title and george was his 3rd option after kd and butler. these stars should give their gms more of a chance but tbf like 1/3 of the league gms dont do a good job either.

[Baller789]

The best HOF player who became GM is Jerry West and the best HOF player who became coach is Larry Bird. Hmm, interesting. I’d argue West is the best GM in the NBA of all time, too.

They are quite the exemption to the rule tho.

Bench guys seem to do a better job.

[Full Court]

The irony. :oldlol:

You're the one who continuously make threads whining about lebron often.

I bet Axe-hole saw Bronie getting booed off the court last night and literally cried.

:lol

[Axe]

I bet Axe-hole saw Bronie getting booed off the court last night and literally cried.

:lol
Now you're making shit up because that doesn't bother me at all anyway. Otoh, you always have meltdowns about kong despite you "not being mad or hating" him. :roll:

[Full Court]

Now you're making shit up because that doesn't bother me at all anyway. Otoh, you always have meltdowns about kong despite you "not being mad or hating" him. :roll:

I certainly don't respect him. That should be obvious.

And it clearly bothers you or you wouldn't be posting in all my threads trying to get me to stop lol.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, the Lakers are now below .500 in games WITH your hero Brony. ;)

[Axe]

I certainly don't respect him. That should be obvious.

And it clearly bothers you or you wouldn't be posting in all my threads trying to get me to stop lol.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, the Lakers are now below .500 in games WITH your hero Brony. ;)
I'm just making sure people are aware with your lousy shtick. That's all, bub.

[Full Court]

I'm just making sure people are aware with your lousy shtick. That's all, bub.

Well I sure wouldn't want to make you mad.

I mean, if you get mad at me, you might...keep bumping my threads. :roll:

[Baller789]

Well I sure wouldn't want to make you mad.

I mean, if you get mad at me, you might...keep bumping my threads. :roll:

:roll:

[Spurs m8]

:roll:

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