I never want to hear that LeBron had bad coaches

[Manny98]

What Lue is doing with the Clippers this year without Kawhi and PG is amazing his ability to make adjustments on the fly is fantastic and he brings the best out of the players he coaches

Same with Spo I would actually argue that they're the two best coaches in the league right now

[Airupthere]

Truth. Same with teammates. A lot of teams without loaded lineups are playing better than the Lakers. Cavs, raptors, wolves, clips, grizzlies, mavs.. Lebron has had some of the best teammate over the years that for some reason diminish while playing with him. This has been a recurring pattern with Lebron ship jumping throughout his career. And yet, it is everyone that needs to be fired.

[Gohan]

When will we stop making excuses for bron and call him what he is: an overrated chucker

[Westbrook_Fan]

How many rings do they have without Bron

[Johnny32]

fun fact: lebron wanted lue in la but the lakers front office wouldn't sign him past two seasons and demanded they pick his assistant coaches.

one example on a long list of the lakers fo trying to prove they run the show and not listening to the man who is the only reason they're still relevant.

[Im so nba'd out]

fun fact: lebron wanted lue in la but the lakers front office wouldn't sign him past two seasons and demanded they pick his assistant coaches.

one example on a long list of the lakers fo trying to prove they run the show and not listening to the man who is the only reason they're still relevant.

Im starting to think that the laker's management ppl are just kobe stans trying to destroy this man's legacy...you know wtf you signed up for when u signed lebron...He's picking the groceries. They have be undermining him since day one.

Trading Zubac for nothing
Refusing to hire a good coach that lebron trusted
not moving westbrook
not resigning dwight or mcgee after the championship
letting caruso walk for no reason
ect im sure its more if i really thought it about

[Johnny32]

Im starting to think that the laker's management ppl are just kobe stans trying to destroy this man's legacy...you know wtf you signed up for when u signed lebron...He's picking the groceries. They have be undermining him since day one.

Trading Zubac for nothing
Refusing to hire a good coach that lebron trusted
not moving westbrook
not resigning dwight or mcgee after the championship
letting caruso walk for no reason
ect im sure its more if i really thought it about

good list. holding onto tht and his potential instead of getting lowry last yr is another.

[RogueBorg]

What Lue is doing with the Clippers this year without Kawhi and PG is amazing his ability to make adjustments on the fly is fantastic and he brings the best out of the players he coaches

Same with Spo I would actually argue that they're the two best coaches in the league right now

Maybe someone else has mentioned this as I didn't read through all the replies yet, but Erik Spoelstra is one of 75th Anniversary Top 15 coaches while having Pat Riley in the front office as well.

[RogueBorg]

Im starting to think that the laker's management ppl are just kobe stans trying to destroy this man's legacy...you know wtf you signed up for when u signed lebron...He's picking the groceries. They have be undermining him since day one.

Trading Zubac for nothing
Refusing to hire a good coach that lebron trusted
not moving westbrook
not resigning dwight or mcgee after the championship
letting caruso walk for no reason
ect im sure its more if i really thought it about

Good to know, I'll add the front office to long list of firings for Lebron.

Fire the fans!
Fire the refs!
Fire the front office!
Fire Westbrook!
Fire AD!
Fire the ushers!
Fire concessions!
Fire the basketball for going 2-8 from 3 last night and for forcing Lebron into so many turnovers.
Fire the MVP voters!
Fire the All-NBA Defensive voters!
Fire everyone!

[Airupthere]

Maybe someone else has mentioned this as I didn't read through all the replies yet, but Erik Spoelstra is one of 75th Anniversary Top 15 coaches while having Pat Riley in the front office as well.

Spoelstra, Pat Riley, Wade and Bosh on your team, that means a winning finals record right? Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 8?

[FultzNationRISE]

Well yeah, Lebron’s former coaches are having some success NOW, but where do you think they learned about success from?? Bc they sure didnt have none before LeSuccess.

And how many chips they both got without LeChips?

Thats. What. I. THOUGHT.


LeGOAT stays GOATIN in this bish, WE WIN AGAIN :rockon:

[RogueBorg]

Well yeah, Lebron’s former coaches are having some success NOW, but where do you think they learned about success from?? Bc they sure didnt have none before LeSuccess.

:

3ba11 has been making the same argument about Phil Jackson not winning anything til he got with Jordan. You guys don't let him have that, you don't get to have this.

Fire FultzNationRise!

[FultzNationRISE]

3ba11 has been making the same argument about Phil Jackson not winning anything til he got with Jordan. You guys don't let him have that, you don't get to have this.

Fire FultzNationRise!

Bullshit.

Theyre completely different situations.

Ill ****ing fight you.

[RogueBorg]

Bullshit.

Theyre completely different situations.

Ill ****ing fight you.

You're fired! Get out!

[Johnny32]

3ba11 has been making the same argument about Phil Jackson not winning anything til he got with Jordan. You guys don't let him have that, you don't get to have this.

Fire FultzNationRise!

he won 5 without mj, tardboy. how many have spo, lue and vogel won without lebron?

[tpols]

he won 5 without mj, tardboy. how many have spo, lue and vogel won without lebron?

Phil had peak Shaq and Kobe for his other rings. He's had more talent than any other coach ever and used somebody else's system ~ Tex Winter. There are many coaches who were better strategists than Phil Jackson.

[Westbrook_Fan]

How many rings do they have without LeBron??

Anyone know??

[Westbrook_Fan]

Phil had peak Shaq and Kobe for his other rings. He's had more talent than any other coach ever and used somebody else's system ~ Tex Winter. There are many coaches who were better strategists than Phil Jackson.

Yea, and the second he left the Lakers in 2004 they went from Finals contenders to lottery

[Johnny32]

Phil had peak Shaq and Kobe for his other rings. He's had more talent than any other coach ever and used somebody else's system ~ Tex Winter. There are many coaches who were better strategists than Phil Jackson.

phil won with multiple supporting casts. two different ones in chicago and two different ones in la. none of those stars won before him. and only shaq won after him in a reduced role.

[Axe]

Im starting to think that the laker's management ppl are just kobe stans trying to destroy this man's legacy...you know wtf you signed up for when u signed lebron...He's picking the groceries. They have be undermining him since day one.

Trading Zubac for nothing
Refusing to hire a good coach that lebron trusted
not moving westbrook
not resigning dwight or mcgee after the championship
letting caruso walk for no reason
ect im sure its more if i really thought it about
Well, it sucks that kong unanimously chose the lakers as his third team bt and is still there rn because imho, that's really kobe's even after he retired. Even after that calabasas crash last 2020 that prematurely axed his life and eight others. When he said he's going to carry kobe's legacy, admittedly that was so cringeworthy to the point that stephon marbury had to call him out for his foolishness.

Honestly, should've signed elsewhere, like phoenix, clippers or okc instead. But he went to LAL because it's the most popular team in the league. Too bad they're in shambles atm. Even the legend jerry west became so disappointed to learn that he's not included in the list of jeannie buss' top 5 greatest lakers of all-time.

[Axe]

Phil had peak Shaq and Kobe for his other rings. He's had more talent than any other coach ever and used somebody else's system ~ Tex Winter. There are many coaches who were better strategists than Phil Jackson.
Yet kobe never won anything without tutelage from the zenmaster, thurston. Go figure.

[ImKobe]

Yet kobe never won anything without tutelage from the zenmaster, thurston. Go figure.

And in how many seasons during Kobe's prime was Phil not the HC? The 1 season after the Lakers blew it up and had multiple HCs with Rudy T retiring (Lakers were 24 - 19 with him) on top of Kobe's & Odom's injuries in '05? They were still one of the top seeds and made the 2nd round without Phil in 2012, and that's with the Lakers trading Odom (after a 6MOY season no less) for a trade exception.

It's like making the Pippen argument for MJ. You can do this with any ATG who stayed with one franchise and played under the same coach or with the same star teammate for a long time.

[GimmeThat]

you can say he never had much of an injury issue since he didn't have any bad coaches. but based on reaction time, he won 4 FMVPs with 3 different coaches, meaning 3 separate fully documented playbook all went through him.

[RRR3]

I question anyone’s IQ if they don’t think Vogel is a bad coach. Spoelstra and Lue are above average for NBA coaches though yes.

[Johnny32]

I question anyone’s IQ if they don’t think Vogel is a bad coach. Spoelstra and Lue are above average for NBA coaches though yes.

spo > lue > vogel

[ImKobe]

I question anyone’s IQ if they don’t think Vogel is a bad coach. Spoelstra and Lue are above average for NBA coaches though yes.

Pacers overachieved under him, considering they took the Heatles to 6-7 games for a 3-year stretch without really having that good of a team with them losing Granger to injury after the lockout season. I wouldn't call him a bad coach.

[Johnny32]

i thought vogel was very good in 2020 actually. he's almost like ad. got his ring.

[Pointguard]

Good to know, I'll add the front office to long list of firings for Lebron.

Fire the fans!
Fire the refs!
Fire the front office!
Fire Westbrook!
Fire AD!
Fire the ushers!
Fire concessions!
Fire the basketball for going 2-8 from 3 last night and for forcing Lebron into so many turnovers.
Fire the MVP voters!
Fire the All-NBA Defensive voters!
Fire everyone!

Not the USHERS! I love going to Laker games and seeing the women walk around. I can see him saying that if Usher was performing at halftime or something.... but not the USHERS.

[Axe]

And in how many seasons during Kobe's prime was Phil not the HC? The 1 season after the Lakers blew it up and had multiple HCs with Rudy T retiring (Lakers were 24 - 19 with him) on top of Kobe's & Odom's injuries in '05? They were still one of the top seeds and made the 2nd round without Phil in 2012, and that's with the Lakers trading Odom (after a 6MOY season no less) for a trade exception.

It's like making the Pippen argument for MJ. You can do this with any ATG who stayed with one franchise and played under the same coach or with the same star teammate for a long time.
I meant about titles lmao. Forgot to mention the word earlier.