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Im Still Ballin
03-04-2022, 09:18 PM
After having watched all of the '86 finals, I decided to watch the year before. Watched all 6 games on YouTube.

This was the first time LA beat Boston; it was the 9th finals matchup between the two

Los Angeles had never beaten Boston up until this point; not in 8 previous attempts.

It was the first year of the infamous 2-3-2 format

1985 was the year they first introduced the 2-3-2 finals format. It was the topic of some controversy.

Everyone was expecting Bird vs. Magic; we got McHale vs. Kareem

Magic and Bird were the NBA's two premier superstars, spearheading a commercial explosion. Unfortunately, Larry Bird got in a bar fight during the ECF against Philly, injuring his shooting hand. The back-to-back, reigning league MVP wasn't able to play to the level you'd expect.

Magic played well, but his scoring was down on his averages; it was Kareem who took charge with his dominant half-court offense. It won the FMVP of course.

The real matchup in the end was between McHale and Kareem; the two best low-post scorers in the league. It was a treat to watch them dominate from the pivot, finishing over double and triple teams.

Kevin McHale made up for his poor offensive performance in the 1984 Finals


Dick Stockton: "Last year, McHale only had two good games out of seven last year against the Lakers."

Kevin McHale's 1984 finals performance was a disappointment on the offensive end. Although they won in 7, his back-to-the-basket arsenal was sorely missed. He lit LA up for 26.0 PPG and shot 59.8% FG -- 64.4% TS. Pretty much all of these points came in the half-court, either from post-ups or offensive rebound putbacks.

The Lakers' gameplan was to tire Kevin McHale out

They threw Kupchak, Rambis, Kareem, McAdoo, and Worthy at him. They really didn't have someone who could stop him, so they just made him work. They also threw doubles and triples to make him think and try to find the open man. The strategy paid off in the deciding game 6, as McHale fouled out with 5 minutes left in a close game. The contest was essentially over after this.

The Lakers used "gang-rebounding" tactics to secure the defensive rebounds

This finals matchup was a classic showdown between two contrasting styles. The Celtics used its intimidating frontcourt of Bird, McHale, and Parish to dominate inside and on the boards. The Lakers get out in transition and look for early offense, using its speed, passing, and athleticism to blowout opponents.

The key to LA playing its transition game was to secure defensive rebounds. Despite a weaker frontline, LA compensated by making a concerted team effort to "gang-rebound." This allowed them to run their fastbreak offense and blitz the Celtics. This was most evident in games 2, 3, and 5.

"If the Celtics have an MVP in this series, it has to be this man: Kevin McHale"

That was a quote from the commentator Dick Stockton during game 6 in Boston.

Here's the full quote:



Dick Stockton: "If the Celtics have an MVP in this series, it has to be this man: Kevin McHale -- doing it again today. Look at the consistent scoring: 31, 28, 24; he has scored 20 or more in four of the previous five (games.)"

Tom Heinsohn: "How he's doing it is beyond me. He's lost close to 15 pounds since Maxwell got hurt, and they shifted an awful lot of offensive burden on him after Maxwell got hurt."

Dick Stockton: "Everyone has had an impossible task to try to match up with him throughout all of the playoffs."

Tom Heinsohn: "He is such a unique player with those long arms; he plays a lot bigger than he is, and he's also got exceptional quickness, even for a man 6'10"."


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Kevin had a sensational series:

26.0 PPG // 10.7 RPG // 1.3 APG // 0.3 SPG // 1.8 BPG on 59.8% FG and 64.4% TS.

Larry Bird had a very quiet series

Because he injured his shooting hand, Larry wasn't able to really stamp his influence on this series. It really felt like he wasn't there for most of the 6 games. The 4th quarter of game 4 was the only real time I felt "MVP Bird" showed up.

Kevin McHale was the primary offensive option

It was mentioned at one point by the commentators that Kevin McHale was Boston's entire halfcourt offense. It definitely felt true; at times he was the only one who could routinely score. He was the biggest mismatch in the series and put LA's big rotation in foul trouble. He was double and triple teamed most possessions.

Really an impressive series from him. People need to go back and watch the games to see just how good he was. I know I like to talk him up but he was a generational talent.

Boston's outside shooting was off

This might've been the biggest issue with Boston's halfcourt game. Outside of game 1, they couldn't consistently hit perimeter shots. This made it hard for Parish and Bird to get good looks inside. It also led to a lot of long rebounds, which are a terrible thing against the best transition offense ever.

The Lakers transition and early offense game was crucial

LA was able to control the pace of the game, especially in games 2, 3, and 5. I was surprised at how fast they played; even on inbounds, they pushed it up the floor. Early, semi-transition offense was extremely important for the Lakers. It allowed them to score in rapid bursts, leading to dramatic double digit leads. Boston's poor outside shooting helped this.

Kevin McHale dominated the offensive rebounds


Tom Heinsohn: "Kevin McHale with those long arms; how many times do I have to say it? Right up and in."

Kevin led both teams with 21 offensive rebounds over 6 games. It didn't matter if they boxed him out because his arms were so long he could go right over them. He also had an extremely quick jump and second jump, so if he got the offensive rebound, it almost always was an automatic putback.

Long arms + quick jump/2nd jump + keeps ball high = great offensive rebounder.

Robert Parish had trouble defending Kareem

Parish couldn't stop the skyhook for the life of him. Not much to say here. Kareem was just too big and too skilled. I wonder if maybe they should've tried McHale, as he did okay for a few possessions.

Kevin McHale was doubled and tripled as soon as he touched the ball; it didn't matter


Dick Stockton: "McHale doubled, he turns around... *makes basket* ...he plays like he's 7'2"."

All series long Kevin was doubled and tripled, but it didn't stop him from dominating inside. His combination of quickness, skill, and size was too much, regardless of who was guarding him. Boston's guards got open perimeter shots but couldn't hit them enough.

Larry Bird was really good at back cutting and pinning the man inside/post sealing for easy shots at the rim

Larry was great at getting those easy buckets. He was someone you always had to pay attention to, even off the ball. Larry was a post-up/pin-down shooter/back cut guy. Could also hit flat-footed shots facing up, using his passing to keep the defense honest.

Larry Bird was also great at help defense

Like in the '86 finals, Larry was great at timing the double teams.

Larry Bird was a traffic cone on the perimeter

The man couldn't stop dribble penetration if his life depended on it.

Larry Bird was solid defending the post

He was strong and had decent size, making him a solid post defender.

Im Still Ballin
03-04-2022, 09:19 PM
Kevin McHale was the best defender for Boston... and maybe for both teams?

Kevin defended everyone from Worthy, to McAdoo, Rambis, Kupchak and Kareem. Blocked pretty much all of them. I thought he did the best on Kareem out of the bunch.

Such a versatile defender who had a knack for causing offenses to stagnate and try isolate on him. Teams always underestimate how good he was at defending more athletic SFs. He stopped Worthy many times iso-driving on him.

James Worthy's offensive game was fantastic

His perimeter shooting was on, which opened up his slashing ability. He was a problem for Boston throughout the finals series, especially in game 6.

Magic was the key to the transition/early offense; Kareem was the key to the half-court offense

They worked very well as a duo.

Kevin McHale had a super clutch game 6 but fouled out with 5 minutes left


Dick Stockton: "32 for McHale, and the Celtics have it down to 4."

Tom Heinsohn: "McHale's having a game that'll put his number up here in the rafters."

He was unstoppable, just an amazing performance. His post play was sensational, as was his rebounding on both ends. He put up 32 points, 16 rebounds -- 4 offensive, 1 assist, 2 steals, and 2 blocks. He was 11/18 from the field, and 10/13 from the free-throw line. Good for 67.5% TS.

The only issue was him fouling out with 5 minutes to go. Once that happened, the game was basically over.

Larry Bird's 4th quarter in game 4 was insane

Best quarter of his in the finals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAh5iehk0hc

Chick Stern
03-04-2022, 09:56 PM
OP is clearly Celt focused.

1987_Lakers
03-04-2022, 09:59 PM
Thoughts on Byron Scott? I always thought he played piss poor vs Boston in big games. It seemed to me that Pat Riley had more trust in Cooper, I saw alot of mid 80's games where in the last 2 minutes of a tight games, Scott was on the bench.

Those Lakers teams always had a weak PF, Rambis started alot of games before A.C. Green took over. So it's no surprise McHale would always feast on them. Lakers traded for Klay's dad to defend McHale in '87.

Boston destroyed the Lakers in game 1, if you told someone at the time that the Lakers would win 4 of the next 5 games, you would get laughed at.

L.Kizzle
03-04-2022, 10:04 PM
Are you on Kevin McHale's payroll?

Axe
03-04-2022, 10:06 PM
The lakers were perennial losers in their historic finals matchups vs. the celtics. And while a bit op, as much as i love to adore and embrace the mighty zenmaster phil jackson, the 2010 lakers wouldn't have won the finals if celtics center kendrick perkins didn't go down to injury in game six.

Im Still Ballin
03-04-2022, 10:15 PM
OP is clearly Celt focused.

https://c.tenor.com/ZQfq0ocLmAoAAAAC/breaking-bad-walter-white.gif


Thoughts on Byron Scott? I always thought he played piss poor vs Boston in big games. It seemed to me that Pat Riley had more trust in Cooper, I saw alot of mid 80's games where in the last 2 minutes of a tight games, Scott was on the bench.

Those Lakers teams always had a weak PF, Rambis started alot of games before A.C. Green took over. So it's no surprise McHale would always feast on them. Lakers traded for Klay's dad to defend McHale in '87.

I did notice Michael Cooper more than Byron Scott. From what I recall, Cooper was hitting his outside shot. The Laker guards really brought their game I felt, while Boston's didn't.


Boston destroyed the Lakers in game 1, if you told someone at the time that the Lakers would win 4 of the next 5 games, you would get laughed at.

Oh, absolutely. It was crazy to see game 1; that Boston guard who's name I can't remember went 11/11 FG.


Are you on Kevin McHale's payroll?

I am Kevin McHale.

Pointguard
03-05-2022, 12:21 AM
Oh, absolutely. It was crazy to see game 1; that Boston guard who's name I can't remember went 11/11 FG.


I think that was Webman(sp). Yeah 4 for 4 from three point land was like watching Curry back then.

Yeah, McHale was killing it in that series.

FultzNationRISE
03-05-2022, 12:24 AM
I am Kevin McHale.


So am I.

;)


Nice write up.

Jasper
03-05-2022, 12:50 AM
op watched one of the all time battles between the two power houses in bball.

by the time series 9 rolled around I was sick and tired of watching these two teams always battling.
I could not wait till other teams showed up in the finals simply for the above reason.

You look at those two teams and look at top 75 players of all-time , and you now know why I called them powerhouses.

Im Still Ballin
03-05-2022, 01:56 AM
op watched one of the all time battles between the two power houses in bball.

by the time series 9 rolled around I was sick and tired of watching these two teams always battling.
I could not wait till other teams showed up in the finals simply for the above reason.

You look at those two teams and look at top 75 players of all-time , and you now know why I called them powerhouses.

True. Those teams had so much talent. I love those types of teams where great players are willing to sacrifice, like San Antonio from 98-2018. Winning is what it's all about; I'm less concerned with guys putting up big stats on losing teams. Sometimes they're genuine talents, and other times they're doing numbers that they couldn't do on a winning team, or amongst other talents.

jlip
03-05-2022, 02:20 AM
I would have liked to have read more about Kareem's dominance in games 2-6 at age 38 especially after Riley completely roasted him for his horrendously embarrassing performance (namely on the boards) in game 1. I remember watching the end of Game 6 a few years back, and whomever was interviewing Kareem though that that was his first Finals MVP. Kareem had to remind him that he had won the Finals MVP in 1971 also, but it had been so long ago that most people had either forgotten about it or didn't know anything about it at all.

GOATKawhi_2
03-05-2022, 02:20 AM
OP got the greatest blowjob of all time from kevin McHale's daughter. Did you film it for us at least bro?

McHale is like pau gasol to bird's kobe. The defensive attention is all on bird, the playmaking is all bird.

Unless you see a year like 2005 when manu had better advanced stats then Duncan, I don't see that with McHale and Bird.

GimmeThat
03-05-2022, 02:39 AM
was there any sense about the fact that the Celtics committed 84 TO to Lakers 75. any mind regarding, hmmm, if the Celtics just had this other guy who had size or whatever that could come and set a screen.

or was it all just "I never knew Kevin McHale could put up this type of number in the finals"

Im Still Ballin
03-05-2022, 02:43 AM
I would have liked to have read more about Kareem's dominance in games 2-6 at age 38 especially after Riley completely roasted him for his horrendously embarrassing performance (namely on the boards) in game 1. I remember watching the end of Game 6 a few years back, and whomever was interviewing Kareem though that that was his first Finals MVP. Kareem had to remind him that he had won the Finals MVP in 1971 also, but it had been so long ago that most people had either forgotten about it or didn't know anything about it at all.

Yeah, when you put it like that, that's got to be one of the great NBA finals performances. To do that at that age. I guess I just wasn't surprised at his play.

His dominance in the series was different from McHale's because he just used the same move (the skyhook) over and over and over again. It wasn't like Parish was doing anything wrong; Kareem was just that damn good.

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/n7c/n7cm24-kareem.jpg?w=535

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/3/robert-parish-kareem-abdul-jabbar-and-larry-bird-dick-raphael.jpg

Im Still Ballin
03-05-2022, 03:31 AM
I would have liked to have read more about Kareem's dominance in games 2-6 at age 38 especially after Riley completely roasted him for his horrendously embarrassing performance (namely on the boards) in game 1. I remember watching the end of Game 6 a few years back, and whomever was interviewing Kareem though that that was his first Finals MVP. Kareem had to remind him that he had won the Finals MVP in 1971 also, but it had been so long ago that most people had either forgotten about it or didn't know anything about it at all.

Also just read an article by Kareem. He said winning in '85 and being named the FMVP was his top moment in the finals:


https://www.ocregister.com/2014/06/17/kareem-my-best-and-worst-nba-finals-moments/

1. Beating the Celtics in 1985 and being named MVP. The Lakers had never beaten the Boston Celtics in a Finals series, so we were motivated. But Boston, which had beaten us in the Finals the previous year, craved back-to-back championships, which they hadn’t had since 1968-69.

So both teams were ready to do fierce battle. However, in the first game, the Celtics slaughtered us so badly (148-114) that it became known as the “Memorial Day Massacre.” At the time, it was the worst beating a team had ever suffered in a Finals game. I scored only 12 points and had three rebounds. I’d played so poorly that after the game I apologized to my teammates for my performance. However, that beat-down fired us all up and we went on to win the series and I was chosen as MVP. That series became a lesson to the Lakers to never give up. This was also one of my best years because my son Amir was born, which was a lot better than winning the championship and being MVP.

GimmeThat
03-05-2022, 04:10 AM
Also just read an article by Kareem. He said winning in '85 and being named the FMVP was his top moment in the finals:

Kareem only played 22 minutes in that first game. and the Celtics out-assisted the Lakers 43-28. most people would say that Riley was severely out-coached, wouldn't they?