LeBron James is the best player in the world…

[Westbrook_Fan]

That is all.

[SATAN]

Excellent write up. 5 stars.

[Johnny32]

it still isn't close. one series, one game, every gm in the league is taking him first.

[kawhileonard2]

it still isn't close. one series, one game, every gm in the league is taking him first.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724

[Spurs m8]

That's why he's literally not even top 10 in the MVP race :roll:

Other players have scored 50 this season too...they even did this week?
They also play D and get wins and aren't way below .500

This is exactly why no one takes bron stans and OP seriously....

No wonder OP spent NYE on here....who wants to hang out with such a moron?

[RRR3]

Hell no. He’s still really good though but doesn’t have the impact he used to. Still one of the best scorers in the league though.

[Johnny32]

it felt like the playoffs started tonight.

lebron - best player in the world...check
stephanie - chokes again...check

yup...playoffs started.

[RRR3]

it felt like the playoffs started tonight.

lebron - best player in the world...check
stephanie - chokes again...check

yup...playoffs started.
LeBron would be in the playoffs if he was still the best player. He's still really good though, don't get me wrong.

[SATAN]

LeBron would be in the playoffs if he was still the best player.

I think this is a flawed view considering current roster & injuries.

[imdaman99]

Lebron and Westbrook combined for 76 points :lebronamazed:

[RRR3]

I think this is a flawed view considering current roster & injuries.
Not really, just speaks to the level you have to be to be the best. I have no doubt prime LeBron has this team in much better shape.

[Spurs m8]

Donthic lit this guy up and got the W in his kingdom just a few days ago.

Giannis came to his kingdom and hung shit on him too...got 30 up until LeBarry called it quits.

Ja also diarrhead all over the King...a few times

[Full Court]

At this point in his career, he's not top 10. Leave it to the Bronies to soil their panties because of one outlier game where Bronie didn't blow it for his team in the 4th quarter. :lol

[Shogon]

At this point in his career, he's not top 10. Leave it to the Bronies to soil their panties because of one outlier game where Bronie didn't blow it for his team in the 4th quarter. :lol

Name 10, I'll wait.

So I can laugh at you.

He is getting close to being pushed out of it, I'll give you that. But not just yet.

[Shogon]

For what it's worth, here are my top 10 (NOT IN ORDER - DO NOT WANT TO PUT THAT MUCH THOUGHT INTO IT)

LeBron James
James Harden
Kevin Durant
Luka Doncic
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Steph Curry
Nikola Jokic
Joel Embiid
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard

Ja Morant and Trae Young could be there and I wouldn't be able to definitively tell you because I haven't watched enough of them but there is something I seriously don't like about Trae Young... probably because he takes a ton of stupid shots and looks like he just crawled out of the gutter.

If you take AD and Kawhi off the list due to not playing, LeBron is comfortably top 10. If they were both always healthy, it starts to become an argument.

[Baller789]

Name 10, I'll wait.

So I can laugh at you.

He is getting close to being pushed out of it, I'll give you that. But not just yet.

He's out if you factor in the D. Because he literally only plays half the game.

But if it's just offensively, sure yeah, still topten.

[Gohan]

Name 10, I'll wait.

So I can laugh at you.

He is getting close to being pushed out of it, I'll give you that. But not just yet.

Who would give a fvck if you laugh at them, youre a f$ggot. Go eat a d1ck b1tch

[Shogon]

He's out if you factor in the D. Because he literally only plays half the game.

But if it's just offensively, sure yeah, still topten.

The stats suggest he plays above average defense.

LeBron isn't locking anyone up for an entire game, we all know that.

But I don't see how you could say someone that is averaging 1.5 steals per game and 1.0 blocks per game as the primary ball handler isn't playing defense.

LeBron definitely picks and chooses at this point in his career when he wants to play D but you guys make it seem like he's standing still 99% of the time on defense every single game. It's just not true.

He's a better defender than James Harden and Harden is still comfortably top 10.

[Baller789]

The stats suggest he plays above average defense.

So you saying Lebron right now is an above average defender? :oldlol:

I shudder to think what an average NBA defender looks like.

[Shogon]

So you saying Lebron right now is an above average defender? :oldlol:

I shudder to think what an average NBA defender looks like.


Average NBA defenders are a shell of what they once were because of 3 point spacing, rule changes and increased offensive skill levels league wide.

[Baller789]

Average NBA defenders are a shell of what they once were because of 3 point spacing, rule changes and increased offensive skill levels league wide.

Eh no. An average NBA defender is an average NBA defender. They do all play under the same rules and spacing right? So your point is mute.

And oh, an average NBA defender moves his feet on D most of the time.

[Shogon]

How can he be below average if his defensive +/- is literally positive, which means... better than league average.

Unless you want to contend that almost every single Lakers player is a worse defender than him, I don't see how your argument holds up.

[Johnny32]

current lebron would be all defensive 1st team in the 90s.

[Full Court]

Name 10, I'll wait.

So I can laugh at you.

He is getting close to being pushed out of it, I'll give you that. But not just yet.

KD
DeRozan
Morant
Embiid
Doncic
Jokic
Booker
Butler
Giannis
George

Yes, those are all better that Bronie this year. Laugh it up, but you know it's true.

[Baller789]

How can he be below average if his defensive +/- is literally positive, which means... better than league average.

Unless you want to contend that almost every single Lakers player is a worse defender than him, I don't see how your argument holds up.

Do you even watch the games? And watch what he does on D? Or do you just rely on stats?

[Shogon]

DeRozan
Booker
Butler
George

Yes, those are all better that Bronie this year. Laugh it up, but you know it's true.

:roll:
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[Shogon]

Do you even watch the games? And watch what he does on D? Or do you just rely on stats?

No, I don't watch the games. But I used to, as recently as a couple of seasons ago when the same things were being said about his defense as they are now.

And I know that LeBron's defensive impact has been underrated for years despite the fact that yes, it is clear he doesn't put nearly as much effort on that side of the ball as he does on offense. He also throws teammates under the bus when he misses rotations himself. But he's still better than league average. I've seen it all.

[Baller789]

current lebron would be all defensive 1st team in the 90s.

You need to troll better dude.

[Baller789]

No, I don't watch the games. But I know that LeBron's defensive impact has been underrated for years despite the fact that yes, it is clear he doesn't put nearly as much effort on that side of the ball as he does on offense.
You lost all credibility there homie.

[Manny98]

Right now KD, Giannis and Joker are top 3 whatever order then just below them are LeBron/Embiid so he's still top 5 in my eyes

[Johnny32]

tard drooling all over his kb

embarrassing.

[Shogon]

You lost all credibility there homie.

Almost everyone has been saying that LeBron doesn't play defense since like 2017 or 2018. And it wasn't true then as I'm sure it isn't true now. So it's a tired argument. I only need the advanced stats at this point.

[Johnny32]

You need to troll better dude.

malone made how many defensive teams? current lebron is a much better defender than any version of malone.

[Shogon]

And btw, your avatar is literally something meant to display your disdain for LeBron James. So it's clear you put more energy into hating on the guy than I do caring about defending him. I just tell the truth. You're biased.

[Baller789]

malone made how many defensive teams? current lebron is a much better defender than any version of malone.

:roll:

[Baller789]

Almost everyone has been saying that LeBron doesn't play defense since like 2017 or 2018. And it wasn't true then as I'm sure it isn't true now. So it's a tired argument. I only need the advanced stats at this point.

So youre basically saying that you just need to rely on spreadsheets and not actually watch basketball to make a fair evaluation of a player?

Sounds about right.

[Johnny32]

:roll:

indeed.

[Shogon]

So youre basically saying that you just need to rely on spreadsheets and not actually watch basketball to make a fair evaluation of a player?

Sounds about right.

You do of course realize that LeBron finished literally #4 in defensive rating league wide... in the ENTIRE ****ING LEAGUE... as recently as last season, right?

Or are you one of those "stats mean nothing" people?

Because I can tell you the truth is always somewhere in between the stats and the eye test.

The eye test is incomplete. Stats are incomplete.

Objective 100% reality or even close to 100% reality evaluation in a team sport is literally impossible by the human mind for a plethora of reasons that are too much to get into. The amount of dynamic factors at play are exponential and beyond our comprehension.

Perception is not objective reality.

[Johnny32]

fun fact: legoat was 4th in nba.com dpoy ladder before the injury last yr.

[Full Court]

No, I don't watch the games. But I used to, as recently as a couple of seasons ago when the same things were being said about his defense as they are now.

And I know that LeBron's defensive impact has been underrated for years despite the fact that yes, it is clear he doesn't put nearly as much effort on that side of the ball as he does on offense. He also throws teammates under the bus when he misses rotations himself. But he's still better than league average. I've seen it all.

Lol. How can you even have an opinion then, if you don't watch the games? :facepalm

I rest my case.

[Full Court]

fun fact: legoat was 4th in nba.com dpoy ladder before the injury last yr.

Funner fact: Bronie's defensive effort has MASSIVELY dropped off even since last year. That's undeniable unless you're a blind sackhugger.

[Baller789]

You do of course realize that LeBron finished literally #4 in defensive rating league wide... in the ENTIRE ****ING LEAGUE... as recently as last season, right?

Or are you one of those "stats mean nothing" people?

Because I can tell you the truth is always somewhere in between the stats and the eye test.

The eye test is incomplete. Stats are incomplete.

Objective 100% reality or even close to 100% reality evaluation in a team sport is literally impossible by the human mind for a plethora of reasons that are too much to get into. The amount of dynamic factors at play are exponential and beyond our comprehension.

Perception is not objective reality.


No. I believe that you use stats with the eye test. You on the other hand proceed to analyse the game like a coach potato analyst.

[Johnny32]

malone made how many defensive teams? current lebron is a much better defender than any version of malone.

more on malone. he made 1 defensive team his first 11 seasons in the league. then made 3 all defensive teams back to back to back in 96-97, 97-98, and 98-99 at 33-36 years old. did he become a great defender in his mid to late 30s or was the nba laughably bad during this span? i think we know the answer. and yes, any version of lebron, shits on any version of k. malone defensively.

[Shogon]

No. I believe that you use stats with the eye test. You on the other hand proceed to analyse the game like a coach potato analyst.

So how would you cheat to become #4 league wide in defensive rating? Just answer that with a straight face and I'll stop arguing.

[Johnny32]

Funner fact: Bronie's defensive effort has MASSIVELY dropped off even since last year. That's undeniable unless you're a blind sackhugger.

this might hold some weight if the tard crew hasn't been repeating the same shit about his defense since 2018.

[Baller789]

So how would you cheat to become #4 league wide in defensive rating? Just answer that with a straight face and I'll stop arguing.

So could you say with a straight face that Lebron is around the 4th best defender in the NBA right now?

[Shogon]

So could you say with a straight face that Lebron is around the 4th best defender in the NBA right now?

No but that was never my argument. My argument was that he was not an atrocious defender, which is what you would have people believe and what you apparently yourself believe.

[Baller789]

No but that was never my argument. My argument was that he was not an atrocious defender, which is what you would have people believe and what you apparently yourself believe.

Oh so if Lebron is nowhere near the 4th best defender in the NBA, why should we take your word for it if you don't even watch him play? Would you say he's in the top ten? Top 20? Top 100?

[Shogon]

Oh so if Lebron is nowhere near the 4th best defender in the NBA, why should we take your word for it if you don't even watch him play? Would you say he's in the top ten? Top 20? Top 100?

You never answered my question. lol.

[Baller789]

You never answered my question. lol.

Ok I'll answer it. No you can't cheat. But the stat is garbage.

James Harden: 106.8 career dtg
NBA average: 110.6 dtg

So based on your own logic. Harden is an above average NBA defender.

I have plenty more examples if you want to go that route.

[Johnny32]

Ok I'll answer it. No you can't cheat. But the stat is garbage.

James Harden: 106.8 career dtg
NBA average: 110.6 dtg

So based on your own logic. Harden is an above average NBA defender.

I have plenty more examples if you want to go that route.

harden is a very good post defender. more than capable perimeter defender when he tries. lol so casual. all you know is internet narratives and memes.

[Full Court]

Oh so if Lebron is nowhere near the 4th best defender in the NBA, why should we take your word for it if you don't even watch him play? Would you say he's in the top ten? Top 20? Top 100?

He has flashes of good defense that demonstrate that he could still be a good defender if he wanted to. But he puts zero effort into defense most of the time so he can save his energy for getting points. Most of the time he's either getting torched or standing there watching his opponent score.

[Baller789]

harden is a very good post defender. more than capable perimeter defender when he tries. lol so casual. all you know is internet narratives and memes.

Translation: he plays defense 10% of the time, but we have to pretend he puts consistent effort and that he should be rewarded for not even doing the work.

[Johnny32]

Per @InStatBasket, these defenders held opponents to the lowest FG% on post-ups last season (min. 35 shots faced):

1. Rudy Gobert �� - 31.8%
T2. Julius Randle - 34.8%
T2. Bam Adebayo - 34.8%
4. James Harden �� - 36.1%
5. Steven Adams - 36.2%

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-superstar-secrets-james-harden-post-defense-and-physical-strength

educate yourself, you disgusting casual.

[Baller789]

Per @InStatBasket, these defenders held opponents to the lowest FG% on post-ups last season (min. 35 shots faced):

1. Rudy Gobert �� - 31.8%
T2. Julius Randle - 34.8%
T2. Bam Adebayo - 34.8%
4. James Harden �� - 36.1%
5. Steven Adams - 36.2%

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-superstar-secrets-james-harden-post-defense-and-physical-strength

educate yourself, you disgusting casual.

Yes his post defense must be game changing.

[Johnny32]

Yes his post defense must be game changing.

Translation: i'll keep ignoring the stats and facts that destroy my argument and stick with tard narratives from years ago.

hence you being a disgusting casual.

[Baller789]

Translation: i'll keep ignoring the stats and facts that destroy my argument and stick with tard narratives from years ago.

hence you being a disgusting casual.

Yes because post ups are most of the game for 2 guards.

[Johnny32]

i'll now pretend today's nba isn't positionless and harden only defends guards as a last desperate attempt

yeah. you're pathetic and embarrassing.

[Baller789]

yeah. you're pathetic and embarrassing.

:lebroncry:

[Johnny32]

:lebroncry:

i shit down your throat multiple times, fatboy. you have absolutely zero basketball knowledge and i'm embarrassed for you.

[Baller789]

i shit down your throat multiple times, fatboy. you have absolutely zero basketball knowledge and i'm embarrassed for you.

:lebroncry:

[Bronbron23]

That is all.

Last night he was for sure. Hard to say until playoffs comes and bron is playing full out.

[Spurs m8]

Best player in the world is 7 games below .500

What impact

God like

[kawhileonard2]

Couldn’t show it against Booker last year and Booker broke him this year already

[Spurs m8]

Couldn’t show it against Booker last year and Booker broke him this year already

Even Donthic cleaned him up on his own floor just a few days ago

[Full Court]

Even Donthic cleaned him up on his own floor just a few days ago

I remember him getting completely sonned by De'aaron Fox too. And Karl Anthony Towns. Not to mention getting abused by Reggie Jackson. And besmirched by Giannis.

[Spurs m8]

I remember him getting completely sonned by De'aaron Fox too. And Karl Anthony Towns. Not to mention getting abused by Reggie Jackson. And besmirched by Giannis.

Oh I absolutely remember

I dont have selective amnesia, like his stans

[Axe]

I remember him getting completely sonned by De'aaron Fox too. And Karl Anthony Towns. Not to mention getting abused by Reggie Jackson. And besmirched by Giannis.
Much better players than a couple of plumbers, janitors, grocery baggers and car mechanics who made it to all-star teams in the watered-down 90s.

[TheGoatest]

The previous 6-7 replies of this thread:

https://data1.ibtimes.co.in/en/full/648526/m-night-shyamalans-split-movie.jpg

[Baller789]

The previous 6-7 replies of this thread:

https://data1.ibtimes.co.in/en/full/648526/m-night-shyamalans-split-movie.jpg

Ironic Goatits. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Much better players than a couple of plumbers, janitors, grocery baggers and car mechanics who made it to all-star teams in the watered-down 90s.

The discussion was about this year. But it's cool. You can keep going back 30 years.










Ya dingus.

[AngelEyes]

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic and Durant are all better players than current LeBron.

[Full Court]

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic and Durant are all better players than current LeBron.

I'm pretty sure even the Bronie Bunch knows this deep down. They're just biased by adoration.

[Axe]

The discussion was about this year. But it's cool. You can keep going back 30 years.










Ya dingus.
Fuming.

[kawhileonard2]

Much better players than a couple of plumbers, janitors, grocery baggers and car mechanics who made it to all-star teams in the watered-down 90s.

But they all went to college and graduated. What did the guys now do? Like Lebron did he go to college? Show me his degree.

[Baller789]

But they all went to college and graduated. What did the guys now do? Like Lebron did he go to college? Show me his degree.

Lebron has a Bachelor's in Collusion and a Masters in Team Hopping.

[2much_knowledge]

That is all.

Are you stuck in 2013? Save to mouth for westbrooks ***** too westbrook fan

[Full Court]

Lebron has a Bachelor's in Collusion and a Masters in Team Hopping.

And no actual education.

Good thing Enes Kanter is willing to give his own time to educate Bronie.

[TheGoatest]

He proved that he was the best player in the world against the Warriors where he played.
He then certified and double stamped that in the game against the Spurs where he didn't play.

[John8204]

I would say Lebron is the best in the World I think you've got two issues...the season and the career. The career is a legacy list and Lebron is #1

Career -
1. Lebron, 2. Curry, 3. CPIII, 4. Durant, 5. Leonard, 6. Giannis, 7. Harden, 8. Embiid, 9. Carmello, 10. Lillard

Season -we have to wait till the playoffs, play out but as of now I would say
1. Embiid, 2. Morant, 3. Lebron, 4. Jokic, 5. Curry, 6. CPIII, 7. Giannis, 8. Derozan, 9. Durant, 10. Luka

The list could be entirely different in May/June based on how the playoffs go but Lebron is the reason the Lakers are in the playin. Embiid is having a legacy season but if he doesn't make the finals can you really call him the best in the world. Morant, Jokic, and Giannis are all valuable for their teams but they could all get knocked out in the first round.

[Full Court]

He proved that he was the best player in the world against the Warriors where he played.
He then certified and double stamped that in the game against the Spurs where he didn't play.

GoatTits was just PRAYING that the Lakers wouldn't pull out the win against the Spurs. :roll:

Bronies....

[Baller789]

GoatTits was just PRAYING that the Lakers wouldn't pull out the win against the Spurs. :roll:

Bronies....

:lol

[2much_knowledge]

GoatTits was just PRAYING that the Lakers wouldn't pull out the win against the Spurs. :roll:

Bronies....

Forget playoffs, i just hope with all my heart lakers lose so i can have an extrs esxuse to blow bron some more lololol

[WhiteKyrie]

Lebron has a Bachelor's in Collusion and a Masters in Team Hopping.

:oldlol:

[GrayGoat]

LeBest