DRose or AI?

[PeroAntic]

Both one time MVPs, both explosive score first pointguards. Iverson made it to the finals once and had a couple of scoring titles, but Rose's prime was cut short and while still in that short period he faced the Heat superteam. He was also more efficient and more of a team player. Who was the better overall player at their peak?

[ShawkFactory]

I would take Iverson. I think if you put him at his peak post 2005 rule change then he'd be a perennial 32-35ppg guy with more efficiency than he showed in the late 90s and early 2000s.

[Gohan]

Its iverson and im a rose fan. I will say this though rose made the most impossible layups in his prime

[PeroAntic]

Why though? I know Iverson is more iconic and all, but in terms of overall ability Rose was better. Rose was equally quick (if not more) but stronger than AI.

[Full Court]

Why though? I know Iverson is more iconic and all, but in terms of overall ability Rose was better. Rose was equally quick (if not more) but stronger than AI.

I can't argue with this.

[ShawkFactory]

Why though? I know Iverson is more iconic and all, but in terms of overall ability Rose was better. Rose was equally quick (if not more) but stronger than AI.

He wasn't as smooth with his handle. Iverson was also so squirelly in traffic.

[PeroAntic]

He wasn't as smooth with his handle. Iverson was also so squirelly in traffic.

Yeah but less fancy doesn't mean less effective and there are really nuances separating them with Rose being also a historically great ball handler.

Its like saying Kyrie is a better ball handler than Iverson, yeah he is but it doesn't really make a difference.

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah but less fancy doesn't mean less effective and there are really nuances separating them with Rose being also a historically great ball handler.

Its like saying Kyrie is a better ball handler than Iverson, yeah he is but it doesn't really make a difference.

I didn't just mean "fancy". Iverson's smoothness greatly contributed to his effectiveness. And while maybe slightly more explosive as a leaper, there's no way Rose had quite the first step AI did.

[iamgine]

I guess Rose was ever so slightly better for that MVP season.

The problem is, much like Yao Ming or Zion, I don't believe he could sustain it. He was a serious injury waiting to happen.

So on that basis I'd take Iverson.

[Gohan]

I guess Rose was ever so slightly better for that MVP season.

The problem is, much like Yao Ming or Zion, I don't believe he could sustain it. He was a serious injury waiting to happen.

So on that basis I'd take Iverson.

Iverson was better in 2005 than rose was in his mvp season. Fact

[John8204]

Well with Rose in hindsight it's one of the four or five seasons that Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, or Lebron James should have won MVP's and it changed the way we look at wins.

Allen Iverson was a genuine MVP and arguably could have been FMVP on the losing team.

[FultzNationRISE]

OP, I would heavily recommend some kind of counseling.

It isnt healthy to be so attached to one player.

[iamgine]

Iverson was better in 2005 than rose was in his mvp season. Fact

incorrect

[PeroAntic]

OP, I would heavily recommend some kind of counseling.

It isnt healthy to be so attached to one player.

sounds like you have experience with this:roll:

[Rysio]

Iversons ability was greater than rose he could score 40-50 in must win games.

[HylianNightmare]

Iverson

[Phoenix]

I would take Iverson. I think if you put him at his peak post 2005 rule change then he'd be a perennial 32-35ppg guy with more efficiency than he showed in the late 90s and early 2000s.

As demonstrated by him dropping 33 on 45% in 2006, at 31 years old. No brainer that Iverson would have dropped those kinds of numbers routinely had his peak coincided with post 2004 perimeter rule changes.

[RRR3]

As demonstrated by him dropping 33 on 45% in 2006, at 31 years old. No brainer that Iverson would have dropped those kinds of numbers routinely had his peak coincided with post 2004 perimeter rule changes.
That’s why you have to look at players efficiency compared to the league they played in. You can’t just look at the efficiency by itself and make conclusions otherwise you’ll draw conclusions like Trae Young is a better scorer than Kobe.

[Thenameless]

Iverson. Because he didn't need to practice to do it.

[Phoenix]

That’s why you have to look at players efficiency compared to the league they played in. You can’t just look at the efficiency by itself and make conclusions otherwise you’ll draw conclusions like Trae Young is a better scorer than Kobe.

Same for someone like Demar Derozan and Kobe. This year, at 32 years old and 13 seasons in the league, he's dropping 28ppg on 59%TS. Kobe between 2001 and 2010 averaged 29ppg/56%TS, his peak/prime seasons. As great as Demar has been this year nobody in their right mind would argue he was an equal scorer to prime Kobe. We have to take the context of the leagues they played in, as you said. Prime Kobe in today's game would have a markedly better TS%.

[k0kakw0rld]

Both one time MVPs, both explosive score first pointguards. Iverson made it to the finals once and had a couple of scoring titles, but Rose's prime was cut short and while still in that short period he faced the Heat superteam. He was also more efficient and more of a team player. Who was the better overall player at their peak?

The correct and only logical choice here is Allen Iverson.

[Smook A.]

Hard to say because we never saw the real prime or peak Derrick Rose. He won an MVP at 22... Most players don't enter their prime years until their mid-20s. I feel like Rose would've had even better seasons compared to his MVP year if he had stayed healthy.

That being said, I'll take Iverson because we actually got to see his potential.

[k0kakw0rld]

Hard to say because we never saw the real prime or peak Derrick Rose. He won an MVP at 22... Most players don't enter their prime years until their mid-20s. I feel like Rose would've had even better seasons compared to his MVP year if he had stayed healthy.

That being said, I'll take Iverson because we actually got to see his potential.
NO, because he was better.

[PeroAntic]

NO, because he was better.

How? Rose was stronger, a better passer and shooter than Iverson, and less conflictual as a character. Iverson had a lot of heart and will, but pre-injury Rose has also been known for being a winner. I'd say its pretty close, but I'd honestly give the edge to MVP Rose.

[Smook A.]

NO, because he was better.

Yes, he was. But I also mentioned it's not really fair because we didn't get to see Rose's full potential. Who knows how much better he could've been

[k0kakw0rld]

How? Rose was stronger, a better passer and shooter than Iverson, and less conflictual as a character. Iverson had a lot of heart and will, but pre-injury Rose has also been known for being a winner. I'd say its pretty close, but I'd honestly give the edge to MVP Rose.
33 ppg

[ShawkFactory]

How? Rose was stronger, a better passer and shooter than Iverson, and less conflictual as a character. Iverson had a lot of heart and will, but pre-injury Rose has also been known for being a winner. I'd say its pretty close, but I'd honestly give the edge to MVP Rose.

Nahhhh

[Pointguard]

Rose had a very winning way about him. His team was 33 and 49 before he arrived. Within three years with that basic core but younger team riddled with injuries had the best record in the league at 62 and 20. A 22 year old leading a team like that is crazy. Rose had more control of a game than anybody since J Kidd.

AI was great to watch live like Rose was. He seemed to be quicker. AI preferred a game without controls. They were so very different its a hard compare.

[k0kakw0rld]

Rose had a very winning way about him. His team was 33 and 49 before he arrived. Within three years with that basic core but younger team riddled with injuries had the best record in the league at 62 and 20. A 22 year old leading a team like that is crazy. Rose had more control of a game than anybody since J Kidd.

AI was great to watch live like Rose was. He seemed to be quicker. AI preferred a game without controls. They were so very different its a hard compare.

Jesus! blasphemy

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[Pointguard]

Jesus! blasphemy

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Of course who are we comparing him to??? When Chicago beat all the other elite teams that MVP year Rose slowed the game down and outscored the other team. And he swept the West Coast teams after Dec 8. Kidd, CP and Tony Parker couldn't do that.

[k0kakw0rld]

Of course who are we comparing him to??? When Chicago beat all the other elite teams that MVP year Rose slowed the game down and outscored the other team. And he swept the West Coast teams after Dec 8. Kidd, CP and Tony Parker couldn't do that.

Lost as a favorite 1-4

[Pointguard]

Lost as a favorite 1-4

Hmm, so a young inexperienced team with a new coach lost to a veteran super team with several all stars and a top three hungry GOAT - in his prime, basically was supposed to lose to a 22 year old Derrick Rose in a big way. That Rose guy must be really great, huh. Nothing else has to be said.

[Gohan]

Hmm, so a young inexperienced team with a new coach lost to a veteran super team with several all stars and a top three hungry GOAT - in his prime, basically was supposed to lose to a 22 year old Derrick Rose in a big way. That Rose guy must be really great, huh. Nothing else has to be said.

I kind of have to agree with this but iverson was still better

[Pointguard]

I kind of have to agree with this but iverson was still better

Possible. He was unreal and a hero on several levels.

[PeroAntic]

Rose was a better team player, more professional and more coachable than Iverson. He was less of a gunner tbh

[Baller789]

Possible. He was unreal and a hero on several levels.

Tbf, Rose would have to play hero ball on those Sixers teams. And I don't think his body would hold up as well from the beating like Iverson did.

[Reggie43]

Hard to pick against a guy that actually led his team to the Finals.

[Pointguard]

Tbf, Rose would have to play hero ball on those Sixers teams. And I don't think his body would hold up as well from the beating like Iverson did.

In all fairness, I don't know of another guard ever that could take Iverson's beating. Do you? But Rose wasn't bad at taking a beating. Thibes and Rose himself delivered the blows that injured him. If you have to go to Rose's reduced state, its telling that you believe a healthy Rose was better. Otherwise why would you do that?

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Based on what we saw AI at his best was definitely better

I do believe if Rose didn't tear his ACL he would have had a higher peak

[HoopsNY]

Iverson is one of the most overrated players in history. Ton of heart and a great player, but still overrated. Forget about Rose....I'm taking Chauncey Billups over Iverson.

[Cold soul]

I'll go with Iverson over Rose

[Gohan]

Iverson is one of the most overrated players in history. Ton of heart and a great player, but still overrated. Forget about Rose....I'm taking Chauncey Billups over Iverson.
Youre a fvcking retard, i dont even care how the media brainwashed you. Youre still retarded and i wouldnt mind seeing you off yourself tbh. Lmao at fraudlipps

[Ass Dan]

AI

don't even try

[PeroAntic]

Iverson and his 2001 Sixers would get swept by the Heatles. With all due respect, its hard to begrudge Rose losing to Lebron's superteam.

[HoopsNY]

Youre a fvcking retard, i dont even care how the media brainwashed you. Youre still retarded and i wouldnt mind seeing you off yourself tbh. Lmao at fraudlipps

Mental health is an important topic nowadays. There's no shame in seeking professional help.

[tontoz]

I would agree that iverson was overrated. People talk about how hard he played but that was only with the ball in his hands. He wasnt putting in much effort when he didnt have the ball. He wasn't running around without the ball like Steph.

He wasn't putting a lot of effort on D either. He wouldn't pressure the ball handler and would gamble for steals a lot leaving the rest of the team to cover for him when his gambles failed.

[TAZORAC]

Derrick Rose at his PEAK was better then Iverson, of course Iverson had the better career. Derrick Rose is like Anferenee Hardaway, would have been a guranteed all time great if not for the injury

[Gohan]

I would agree that iverson was overrated. People talk about how hard he played but that was only with the ball in his hands. He wasnt putting in much effort when he didnt have the ball. He wasn't running around without the ball like Steph.

He wasn't putting a lot of effort on D either. He wouldn't pressure the ball handler and would gamble for steals a lot leaving the rest of the team to cover for him when his gambles failed.

umm go watch him again, he's one of the best off ball players ever and that's saying something. what did you watch him only post 2004?