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TheMan
03-08-2022, 02:15 PM
Is it because Trump is besties with Putin? I'm gonna date myself here but I remember a time when conservative icons like Goldwater and Reagan were vehemently anti Russian. What changed? Russia has always been a geopolitical foe, that isn't gonna change anytime soon, so why do conservatives admire Putin? Is it that he has a tough guy aura and you guys would feel safe under his leadership? Conservatives these days acting like they never were for tearing down NATO and toning down a bit their pro Russia bias but y'all can't fool me :no: Chewing? BigKobeFan? Anyone?

Patrick Chewing
03-08-2022, 02:19 PM
Who are the US Conservatives that adore Putin?

TheMan
03-08-2022, 02:38 PM
Who are the US Conservatives that adore Putin?

Trump, Tucker Carlson until he did an about face, Pompeo, Graham, Andrew McCarthy etc...you're not gonna pretend Trump and a bunch of his allies wanted to do away with NATO now are you? You were in favor of dismantling NATO :no:

Patrick Chewing
03-08-2022, 02:58 PM
Trump, Tucker Carlson until he did an about face, Pompeo, Graham, Andrew McCarthy etc...you're not gonna pretend Trump and a bunch of his allies wanted to do away with NATO now are you? You were in favor of dismantling NATO :no:

None of those people "adore" Putin, so your phrasing of the question is incorrect and has no basis in reality. They may have respected Putin, but that's a different story now. Putin has killed innocent civilians, and if you listen to Tucker, Pompeo, and all those other guys, they have all condemned Putin.


Why is it always the case that Conservatives and Republicans have to defend themselves from baseless accusations? Like, there is never a thread or a discussion about a Democrat supporting Putin or being a racist, etc. I'll tell you why. Because one of the best tactics the Left uses against the Right is to come out immediately and accuse the Right of X,Y, and Z. And in this case, it's "adoration" of Vladimir Putin. Show me a clip of any Republican or Conservative saying that they adore Putin and that they agree with Putin killing Ukrainians. You can't. And it's funny and extremely lazy on your part to even bring up Lindsey Graham into this conversation when just the other day, Lindsey Graham called for the assassination of Vladimir Putin. It would be kind of funny to adore the man you want to have assassinated wouldn't you say?

So what all of this proves to me is that you my friend are either very ill-informed on the matter, or you fell for the Liberal bait of disinformation in order to create this narrative in your head that Conservatives are out here cheering Putin on. Or maybe both. No one is cheering Putin on. In fact, it's Republicans who are actually beating the drum of not getting involved so that there isn't a WW3, and it's Democrats who are talking about no-fly zones which would directly be considered an act of war against Russia.

Stop watching CNN and get off of Twitter.

Patrick Chewing
03-08-2022, 03:20 PM
Graham literally called for the assassination of Putin twice.



Motherf*ck, I hate leftist msm propaganda. It's f*cking retarded how completely made up it all is. F*cking CNN CIA psyops bullshit.


It's scary as hell the amount of lies the MSM and the Left pump out about the Right. And what's scarier is the amount of people that believe it. Republicans like Graham outwardly calling for Putin to get offed and Liberals are like, "Lindsey Graham loves Vladimir Putin."

:facepalm

bladefd
03-08-2022, 03:38 PM
Is it because Trump is besties with Putin? I'm gonna date myself here but I remember a time when conservative icons like Goldwater and Reagan were vehemently anti Russian. What changed? Russia has always been a geopolitical foe, that isn't gonna change anytime soon, so why do conservatives admire Putin? Is it that he has a tough guy aura and you guys would feel safe under his leadership? Conservatives these days acting like they never were for tearing down NATO and toning down a bit their pro Russia bias but y'all can't fool me :no: Chewing? BigKobeFan? Anyone?

They are opportunists. If they can find a way to demonize democrats by cheering for Putin, they will line right up to suck off Putin. Many of them are snowflakes and would rather cheer for a foreign tyrant over a democrat president from their own country.

They also have a sheep factor where they follow what fauxnews and Lil Donny tells them to do. Many of them are not-well-educated so they rely on fauxnews to shape their thoughts for them. That is also how Lil Donny swindled most of the Republican party and why he ran as a republican (he said so). The republican party is very easy to trick into giving you money (Trump defense fund scam) and falling into line.

The worst of the republican party is no different or better than the worse of the democrat party. They might actually be easier to swindle tbh.

tpols
03-08-2022, 03:52 PM
Trump, Tucker Carlson until he did an about face, Pompeo, Graham, Andrew McCarthy etc...you're not gonna pretend Trump and a bunch of his allies wanted to do away with NATO now are you? You were in favor of dismantling NATO :no:

Because Republican media and Democrat media is owned by the same people. Its controlled opposition both ways to keep people divided against the true wealthy powers that be. Putin himself is a WEF graduate. He didn't just spontaneously decide to do what he's doing. He's following orders like all of our "leaders".

Patrick Chewing
03-08-2022, 04:06 PM
They are opportunists. If they can find a way to demonize democrats by cheering for Putin, they will line right up to suck off Putin. Many of them are snowflakes and would rather cheer for a foreign tyrant over a democrat president from their own country.

They also have a sheep factor where they follow what fauxnews and Lil Donny tells them to do. Many of them are not-well-educated so they rely on fauxnews to shape their thoughts for them. That is also how Lil Donny swindled most of the Republican party and why he ran as a republican (he said so). The republican party is very easy to trick into giving you money (Trump defense fund scam) and falling into line.

The worst of the republican party is no different or better than the worse of the democrat party. They might actually be easier to swindle tbh.


And just as I warn TheMan of falling for Liberal lies and propaganda, here comes one of their troops and what does he do? He lies to him. :lol

Loco 50
03-08-2022, 04:15 PM
They're just taking care of who butters their bread.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

When asked about their trip to Moscow on July 4th the senators came up with conflicting reasons. Probably should have gotten their story straight beforehand.

Also, conservatives swoon for fake machismo so the compatibility is natural.

FultzNationRISE
03-08-2022, 04:35 PM
Because Republican media and Democrat media is owned by the same people. Its controlled opposition both ways to keep people divided against the true wealthy powers that be. Putin himself is a WEF graduate. He didn't just spontaneously decide to do what he's doing. He's following orders like all of our "leaders".


You can give people the truth over and over and over, and most will simply ignore it or give a stock response. Like empty figures repeating a programmed script. The lights are on but nobody’s home. Truly “Non-Playable Characters” in every sense of the word.

The world is a game for only a few to play it feels like.

:confusedshrug:

FultzNationRISE
03-08-2022, 04:42 PM
They're just taking care of who butters their bread.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

When asked about their trip to Moscow on July 4th the senators came up with conflicting reasons. Probably should have gotten their story straight beforehand.

Also, conservatives swoon for fake machismo so the compatibility is natural.

Perfect example, this guy.

It was so obvious this Russian Ukrainian theater - countries nobody in America ACTUALLY cares about - would be turned into a this-side/that-side issue that thirsty partisan bloodhounds would lap up like animals.

The New Orleans Pelicans apparently wore yellow socks the other day to “Stand With Ukraine...” :lol As if Brandon Ingram knows anything or gives any **** about Ukraine :roll:

But, the public gets its cues from these simple slogans and tokens, and the media will portray “the evil republicans” as being in league with Putin and Russia... absolute textbook 1984 type transparent propaganda... and it’s got Loco and TheMan in a frenzy, guzzling the bait and pointing fingers, howling for witches to be dragged to the stake.

I mean you cant do anything at this point but laugh at these fools and do your best to maneuver around them. Engaging their stock-figure intellects just simply aint it. That wont lead to nothing.

Norcaliblunt
03-08-2022, 05:04 PM
Russia helped the north in the civil war. Yeah why do they like him?

Patrick Chewing
03-08-2022, 05:27 PM
They're just taking care of who butters their bread.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

When asked about their trip to Moscow on July 4th the senators came up with conflicting reasons. Probably should have gotten their story straight beforehand.

Also, conservatives swoon for fake machismo so the compatibility is natural.


Funny that you should talk of all people. After all, it's common knowledge that Bernie Sanders had his honeymoon in Russia of all places.

Lakers Legend#32
03-08-2022, 05:31 PM
Not so fast Poopsie, I still remember all those "I'd Rather Be Russian Than A Democrat" t-shirts at Trump's rallies.

Lakers Legend#32
03-08-2022, 06:03 PM
Adore? Respect? Poopsies reduced to arguing semantics.

Loco 50
03-08-2022, 07:32 PM
Funny that you should talk of all people. After all, it's common knowledge that Bernie Sanders had his honeymoon in Russia of all places.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bernie-sanderss-1988-10-day-honeymoon-in-the-soviet-union/2019/05/02/db543e18-6a9c-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html

“Let’s take the strengths of both systems,” he said upon completing the trip. “Let’s learn from each other.”

“Just like his politics in the U.S. are animated by bringing ordinary people together,” Weaver said, the trip to the Soviet Union “was an example of that, if you can get people from everyday walks of life together, you can break through some of the animosity that exists on a governmental level.”

“I think [Sanders] saw and we all saw the downside of the Soviet system,” Seaver said. “Yes, they may have had low-cost apartments, but things were very out of whack — there were food shortages, no political freedom. I suspect that what Bernie saw in Russia probably affected his views that you see today, where he is not anti-free-enterprise or capitalism but he wants to have a safety net and give a fair shake to all, but certainly not to have a command economy we saw in the Soviet Union.”

BurningHammer
03-08-2022, 08:00 PM
Not so fast Poopsie, I still remember all those "I'd Rather Be Russian Than A Democrat" t-shirts at Trump's rallies.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj6h87LUwAAo7IG.jpg

paksat
03-08-2022, 09:38 PM
Graham literally called for the assassination of Putin twice.



Motherf*ck, I hate leftist msm propaganda. It's f*cking retarded how completely made up it all is. F*cking CNN CIA psyops bullshit.

crickets*

patrick is right, throw em' off the bridge literal parasites and they're costing people jobs and food.

Patrick Chewing
03-08-2022, 09:52 PM
crickets*

patrick is right, throw em' off the bridge literal parasites and they're costing people jobs and food.

Yup. Even the OP disappeared after I educated him.

Thanks for the support.

iamgine
03-08-2022, 10:25 PM
Conservatives don't adore Putin and have never express adoration for his role in this invasion unless we're twisting words. Conservatives do however use Putin for their agenda of hammering democrats.

James01
03-08-2022, 11:03 PM
Is it because Trump is besties with Putin? I'm gonna date myself here but I remember a time when conservative icons like Goldwater and Reagan were vehemently anti Russian. What changed? Russia has always been a geopolitical foe, that isn't gonna change anytime soon, so why do conservatives admire Putin? Is it that he has a tough guy aura and you guys would feel safe under his leadership? Conservatives these days acting like they never were for tearing down NATO and toning down a bit their pro Russia bias but y'all can't fool me :no: Chewing? BigKobeFan? Anyone?
_ (https://drift-hunters.io)
The worst of the republican party is no different or better than the worse of the democrat party.

Chick Stern
03-08-2022, 11:43 PM
Conservatives don't adore Putin and have never express adoration for his role in this invasion unless we're twisting words. Conservatives do however use Putin for their agenda of hammering democrats.
Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”

The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area.

iamgine
03-08-2022, 11:50 PM
Trump said he saw the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis on TV “and I said: ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine … Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful.”

The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area.

That's what I called twisting words. Which to be fair, both sides do it.

Chick Stern
03-09-2022, 12:01 AM
That's what I called twisting words. Which to be fair, both sides do it.

You stated that:

Conservatives don't adore Putin and have never express adoration for his role in this invasion

I provided direct quotes of Trump expressing adoration. No twisting what so ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9d6h8ZwPU

jstern
03-09-2022, 12:32 AM
That sounds like the type of narrative, propaganda that CNN and the MSM are continuously doing. And it's so effective and it works very, very, very well. It's not about truth, but 100% agenda.

I'll give you a different example. The Bush administration started talking about going to war with Iran. And the reaction is that's so ridiculous (Iran wasn't mentioned much before) most people are complaining about the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the next day, random stories painting the people of Iran in a very negative light. And then you think, there are such criminals in all countries, why are we hearing about bad things in Iran? And the fact of the matter is that most people watching the media will... I'm too tired, I don't want to type.

I'll go on. In most people's eyes, what they see, hear and become aware of = the only bad thing in the world. And even though that bad thing might happen in each and every country, if they're not exposed to the typical individual crime, then it never happen. And thus all Iranian must die. Very basic explanation.

TheMan
03-09-2022, 03:01 AM
Yup. Even the OP disappeared after I educated him.

Thanks for the support.
Disappeared my ass, I was busy until now but others have posted exactly what I said in my OP, conservatives do love them some Putin.

Cleverness
03-09-2022, 03:32 AM
Perfect example, this guy.

It was so obvious this Russian Ukrainian theater - countries nobody in America ACTUALLY cares about - would be turned into a this-side/that-side issue that thirsty partisan bloodhounds would lap up like animals.

The New Orleans Pelicans apparently wore yellow socks the other day to “Stand With Ukraine...” :lol As if Brandon Ingram knows anything or gives any **** about Ukraine :roll:

But, the public gets its cues from these simple slogans and tokens, and the media will portray “the evil republicans” as being in league with Putin and Russia... absolute textbook 1984 type transparent propaganda... and it’s got Loco and TheMan in a frenzy, guzzling the bait and pointing fingers, howling for witches to be dragged to the stake.

I mean you cant do anything at this point but laugh at these fools and do your best to maneuver around them. Engaging their stock-figure intellects just simply aint it. That wont lead to nothing.

yup. and i'm not surprised. Trump & CNN told Loco 50 to wear a mask, social distance, get Trump vaccine, get boosted, travel restrictions, etc... dude slurped Trump's War on Covid-19 and now he's slurping Ukraine propaganda


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMl3fEvVQAE1M1v.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMl3fEvVQAE1M1v.jpg

Lebron23
03-09-2022, 04:26 AM
You stated that:


I provided direct quotes of Trump expressing adoration. No twisting what so ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9d6h8ZwPU

hehehehe

iamgine
03-09-2022, 04:34 AM
You stated that:


I provided direct quotes of Trump expressing adoration. No twisting what so ever.


Yes, that is exactly twisting words.

Chick Stern
03-10-2022, 01:17 AM
Yes, that is exactly twisting words.

How is a direct quote twisting words?

https://www.courant.com/resizer/hX_pKggt-0Kur-wxDxFB9bXnyd0=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MRZWTIEDAVA5JHOKKJKRT4G4XU.jpg

iamgine
03-10-2022, 02:20 AM
^I think we all know

Lakers Legend#32
03-10-2022, 03:30 AM
Graham literally called for the assassination of Putin twice.

You do know Graham is a closeted gay man.

Conservatives hate gay people.

See the "Don't Sat Gay" law that redneck a$$hole DeSantis signed in Florida.

Patrick Chewing
03-10-2022, 11:53 AM
You do know Graham is a closeted gay man.

Conservatives hate gay people.

See the "Don't Sat Gay" law that redneck a$$hole DeSantis signed in Florida.

LOL the biggest idiot on ISH, folks.

Chick Stern
03-10-2022, 12:12 PM
^I think we all know

https://media.tenor.co/images/ca78116a8dd3437107fc3c01ca6a33b3/tenor.gif

Lakers Legend#32
03-11-2022, 05:35 PM
Most conservatives don't even know there are other countries.

Patrick Chewing
03-12-2022, 01:03 PM
Most conservatives don't even know there are other countries.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Long Duck Dong
03-12-2022, 03:04 PM
Even left leaning Bill Maher said it last night. "'But ok. If Putin thought Trump was really that supportive of him, why didn't he invade while Trump was in office? It's at least worth asking that question if you're not locked into one intransigent thought."

Overdrive
03-12-2022, 07:44 PM
Even left leaning Bill Maher said it last night. "'But ok. If Putin thought Trump was really that supportive of him, why didn't he invade while Trump was in office? It's at least worth asking that question if you're not locked into one intransigent thought."

Did you see Putin's presser? He directly claimed the west under Biden's guidance threatening him as a reason to invade the Ukraine.

How could he claim that if the US-president was openly supportive of him?

Putin created a narrative of him and ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine being the victim of western aggression.

Cleverness
03-12-2022, 08:58 PM
Did you see Putin's presser? He directly claimed the west under Biden's guidance threatening him as a reason to invade the Ukraine.

How could he claim that if the US-president was openly supportive of him?

Putin created a narrative of him and ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine being the victim of western aggression.

So Putin didn't invade while his buddy Trump was in office because of Joe Biden? That doesn't make sense. Or did he not want Ukraine while Trump was in office?

Loco 50
03-12-2022, 09:17 PM
Even left leaning Bill Maher said it last night. "'But ok. If Putin thought Trump was really that supportive of him, why didn't he invade while Trump was in office? It's at least worth asking that question if you're not locked into one intransigent thought."
He wanted Trump to pull us out of Nato. Trump failed to get the job done during his first term.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSNo2FPQDQw

Bill Maher is not left by any stretch of the imagination.

Loco 50
03-12-2022, 09:20 PM
The Putin files was an excellent documentary series from PBS that came out 4 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HWNcLDK88


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIibXQU_dgo

bladefd
03-12-2022, 09:40 PM
Did you see Putin's presser? He directly claimed the west under Biden's guidance threatening him as a reason to invade the Ukraine.

How could he claim that if the US-president was openly supportive of him?

Putin created a narrative of him and ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine being the victim of western aggression.

There is also essentially no need for Putin to invade Ukraine as long as Trump is president and doing his work against NATO. Trump was very pro-Russia and buddy-buddy with Putin. I suspect the reason might have concerned the fact that a lot of Lil Donny's loans were through Deutsche bank, which was heavily backed by Russian oligarchs. If Russian oligarchs are doing well then so is Deutsche bank. If Russian oligarchs go down then Deutsche bank is screwed big time (Deutsche bank recently refused to divest away from Russian money). I think Deutsche bank dropped Trump last year so I don't know if he would have turned 180 degrees on Russia once Deutsche dropped him. It's also possible Deutsche would not have dropped him if he was still president.

Not just NATO, but Lil Donny was trampling all over our allies and destroying America's standing in the world. He was also horrendous at quelling chaos within USA and had a natural inclination to further fan the flames of chaos. Putin loved it because he didn't have to do much himself. Lil Donny was already that accident waiting to happen months before he even won the election in 2016.

There was a mutual interest there. Biden, on the other hand, is anti-Russian. He would not unknowingly back Putin's interests. Putin was scared that the discord & chaos Lil Donny had caused would be unwinded, especially concerning Ukraine/NATO. Biden has bolstered NATO to what it was before Lil Donny spent 4yrs hammering at it. Putin decided to attack Ukraine while he still had the chance.

FultzNationRISE
03-12-2022, 09:51 PM
The Usuals arguing whether "Putin's rogue act of aggression" is Trump or Biden's fault.

Got me like

https://c.tenor.com/QGI6BYPN2WsAAAAC/dumb-and-dumber-laughing.gif


Here's to George Orwell. Cheers, wherever you are brother. :cheers:

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Loco 50
03-12-2022, 10:07 PM
What's really funny is how often you refer to Orwell when you know so little about him.https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/01/orwell_quote.jpg?resize=1440%2C1112&zoom=1

FultzNationRISE
03-12-2022, 10:14 PM
What's really funny is how often you refer to Orwell when you know so little about him.https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/01/orwell_quote.jpg?resize=1440%2C1112&zoom=1

:oldlol:

Fortunately I read the books instead of the memes.

Quotes like that are well-known to be Orwell's populist public-relations spin on his work. You think public scrutiny was any different in his day than now? People who don't have a clue what The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism even means, like literally dont even know what the words mean let alone what hes saying in his book about it, they dont wanna get all this fancy shmancy nuance and sophistication from this heuty teuty author guy everyone's talkin about, they just wanna know:

"YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BRO? YOU BELIEVE BLACK LIVES MATTER BRO? YOU STAND WITH UKRAINE BRO?"

^ Youre one of those people.

Any public figure simply has to give the approved answer. Even moreso in his day than now.

Do you know what IngSoc stands for in 1984? Do you know what conclusions he draws at the end? Do you know what conclusions he draws in Animal Farm?

The answer is obviously no.

But by all means, continue allowing literal memes to shape your political affiliations :roll:

FultzNationRISE
03-12-2022, 10:22 PM
Bro Bernie has like 8 mortgages at this point :lol

But when he's up at the podium, and youre in the crowd foaming at the mouth in eager anticipation of the propaganda he's gonna fill your head with, he knows what YOU wanna hear. Even he doesnt believe it at this point. But he knows his audience and he's entrenched in his role. You think Orwell was any different?

In big public soundbytes, he's not telling you like it is. He's feeding the masses what they wanna hear. Comfort. Genuinely intellectual things are not your comfort zone. You need to be put in your comfort zone so that your vote, tax dollars, and general compliance come a lot easier. It's that simple.

LOL @ acting like any of this is not the stone cold truth.

Cmon man!

Loco 50
03-12-2022, 11:05 PM
You claim to be well-read and versed in history, but here's the problem. You've never been challenged intellectually about the conclusions that you draw. The few times you do get challenged, you get extremely defensive. How could you be challenged when you already know everything, eh? How could anyone be capable of teaching you anything?

Except:

A.) Nobody knows everything
B.) Even what we do think we know can be incorrect for numerous reasons be that incorrect processing, incorrect storage or incorrect recall.
C.) You won't know that you're wrong if you never accept the words of someone who has been there and done that i.e. smarter/wiser.

FYI - I have read those works and they were an important part of my highschool education.

So, once again you've built up a weak strawman to take apart and then crow about how impressive your disassembling of it was. You don't have another method of arguing. It's extremely one-note and pointless to engage you with any method of logical argument because you get so enraged you can't even take in any other information aside from what you think you already know.

PS: A photograph of the author along with his direct quote is not a meme and if you truly understood his works you wouldn't reference him, since he opposed much of what you turn a blind eye to.

Feel free to rant/rave to your heart's content and claim whatever bizarre idea of victory you feel rescues your ego. I doubt I'll be reading a response since I don't believe you're capable of conjuring up anything remotely new or interesting to discuss.

PPS: You would do well to listen to a few of the Putin files documentary I posted if you're actually interested in learning some Russian history direct from Russian authors/reporters and historians. Hopefully, you don't know more than them as well....

Lakers Legend#32
03-13-2022, 01:44 AM
Tucker Carlson's pro-Putin propaganda is being shown on Russian television daily.

Cleverness
03-13-2022, 04:23 AM
He wanted Trump to pull us out of Nato. Trump failed to get the job done during his first term.

Uhh, what? Trump failed to get Putin's job done? Long Duck Dong asked why Putin didn't invade while his buddy Trump was in office, so try to make sense.

Cleverness
03-13-2022, 04:26 AM
:oldlol:

Fortunately I read the books instead of the memes.

Quotes like that are well-known to be Orwell's populist public-relations spin on his work. You think public scrutiny was any different in his day than now? People who don't have a clue what The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism even means, like literally dont even know what the words mean let alone what hes saying in his book about it, they dont wanna get all this fancy shmancy nuance and sophistication from this heuty teuty author guy everyone's talkin about, they just wanna know:

"YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BRO? YOU BELIEVE BLACK LIVES MATTER BRO? YOU STAND WITH UKRAINE BRO?"

^ Youre one of those people.

Any public figure simply has to give the approved answer. Even moreso in his day than now.

Do you know what IngSoc stands for in 1984? Do you know what conclusions he draws at the end? Do you know what conclusions he draws in Animal Farm?

The answer is obviously no.

But by all means, continue allowing literal memes to shape your political affiliations :roll:

:rockon:

Don't forget social distancing restrictions, mask mandates, and forced Covid vaccines. Dude is perfectly fine with those too. :lol

Loco 50
03-13-2022, 05:14 AM
Uhh, what? Trump failed to get Putin's job done? Long Duck Dong asked why Putin didn't invade while his buddy Trump was in office, so try to make sense.

:oldlol: You are equal parts slow and uninformed, but I've got insomnia so I'll share a little. Watching the videos I posted would help a lot, but it's quality information so you're probably not interested.

-Nato was created to put the clamps on Russia

-If a Nato country is attacked, every Nato member is expected to attack back

-Therefore Putin thinks Nato is bad

-Trump was actively destabilizing Nato, by stating that the article that demanded a unified response was in question and threatening to pull U.S. support

-Putin likes that Trump is doing what Putin can't

-While Ukraine is not in Nato, several of it's geopolitical neighbors are

-Putin would wait til the region was destabilized to ensure an incoherent response to Russian aggression

-Trump was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine weakening Ukraine against Russian provocation; mission accomplished

-Trump could not fully destabilize Nato in his first term; mission failed

-Putin waited for what he hoped would be a Trump second term

-Trump lost

https://www.adweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/trump-candle-content-2018.gif

-Putin shot his shot which will bring about great change to his country as a result and not a change that he personally will enjoy because he believed Ole Sleepy Joe was too discombobulated to respond.

El Fin

I even bolded cause #URReadingLiteracyisQuestionable

Loco 50
03-13-2022, 05:18 AM
:rockon:

Don't forget social distancing restrictions, mask mandates, and forced Covid vaccines. Dude is perfectly fine with those too. :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPhd19fjPEI

You've been an amusing punching bag for tonight, but that's more than enough interaction with you than I can tolerate for at least a few months.

Vaya con Dios, hijo mío. May you become more educated prior to the next time we cross paths.

Loco 50
03-13-2022, 06:05 AM
:oldlol:

Fortunately I read the books instead of the memes.

Quotes like that are well-known to be Orwell's populist public-relations spin on his work. You think public scrutiny was any different in his day than now? People who don't have a clue what The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism even means, like literally dont even know what the words mean let alone what hes saying in his book about it, they dont wanna get all this fancy shmancy nuance and sophistication from this heuty teuty author guy everyone's talkin about, they just wanna know:

"YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BRO? YOU BELIEVE BLACK LIVES MATTER BRO? YOU STAND WITH UKRAINE BRO?"

^ Youre one of those people.

Any public figure simply has to give the approved answer. Even moreso in his day than now.

Do you know what IngSoc stands for in 1984? Do you know what conclusions he draws at the end? Do you know what conclusions he draws in Animal Farm?

The answer is obviously no.

But by all means, continue allowing literal memes to shape your political affiliations :roll:

Now, before you squirm away. A few choice quotes/excerpts from your hero, Orwell.

1.) And again, although practically everything was in short supply in the Barcelona of December 1936, Orwell found it remarkable how “so far as one could judge the people were contented and hopeful. There was no unemployment and the price of living was still extremely low; you saw very few conspicuously destitute people….. Above all, there was a belief in the revolution and the future, a feeling of having suddenly emerged into an era of equality and freedom. Human beings were trying to behave as human beings and not as cogs in the capitalist machine”.

~Homage to Catalonia, Orwell’s account of the Spanish Civil War as he saw it

2.) And this is why Orwell thought the British government was so ambivalent towards fascism in the years leading to the Second World War: “The British ruling class were not altogether wrong in thinking that Fascism were on their side. It is a fact that any rich man, unless he is a Jew, has less to fear from Fascism than either Communism or democratic Socialism”.

~taken from one of Orwell's journal entries

3.) [I]“There is no question about the inequality of wealth in England. It is grosser than in any European country, and you have only to look down the nearest street to see it. Economically, England is certainly two nations, if not three or four”. And about the nature of the English ruling classes: “They could not struggle against Nazism or fascism, because they could not understand them…. To understand Fascism they would have to study the theory of Socialism, which would have forced them to realize that the economic system by which they lived was unjust, inefficient and out-of-date….. After years of aggression and massacres (by the Nazis/Fascists), they have grasped only one fact, that Hitler and Mussolini were hostile to Communism. Therefore, it was argued, they must be friendly to the British dividend-drawer”. And again, “What this war has demonstrated is that private capitalism – that is, an economic system in which land, factories, mines and transport are owned privately and operated solely for profit – does not work. It cannot deliver the goods”.

~‘The Lion and the Unicorn: Socialism and the English Genius’

4.) "Unlike capitalism, it (Socialism) can solve the problems of production and consumption. At normal times, a capitalist economy can never consume all that it produces, so that there is always a wasted surplus …. and always unemployment. In time of war, on the other hand, it has difficulty in producing all that it needs, because nothing is produced unless someone sees his way to making a profit out of it. …… In a Socialist economy these problems do not exist. The State simply calculates what goods will be needed and does its best to produce them”.

~‘Clause 4’

5.) Nationalization of land, mines, railways, banks, major industries.

Limitation of incomes, so that the highest tax-free income never exceeds the lowest by more than ten to one.

Democratic reforms in the educational system.

Immediate Dominion status for India, with power to secede after the war.

Formation of an Imperial General Council, in which the colonies are to be represented.

A formal alliance with China, Abyssinia ( Ethiopia) and all other victims of the Fascist powers.


~Orwell’s six-point programme

Now, an intelligent man would say to himself, I enjoy Orwell's works so let me read further into his other material and try to understand them. So what if he adheres to a political ideology that I don't currently think I agree with.

A fool will knee jerk and decide that he'll never quote Orwell again.

I hope you surprise me by putting forth some effort into growth, but at the very least spare me the misery of reading you completely mangle an interesting dead man's ideals that I happen to share.

FultzNationRISE
03-13-2022, 11:14 AM
Whoooo boy, I see Loco went on a Cringe Binge after I left last night.

Alright, let me make this as succinct as possible, because I promised I'm not gonna spend time on this kind of pointless debate with pointless people anymore:

What you said about me personally read like gibberish. And it's irrelevant anyway. The concrete accusation you did make about raging and being defensive, is called projection. I'm always comfortable being proven wrong, I love to learn. I'm not insecure. Either you dont pay attention or are lying outright to fabricate a false perception of me. When I'm boisterous and impatient it's when logic overwhelmingly indicates I'm RIGHT... and guys like you are too hollow headed and insecure to engage with any intellectual honesty.

As far as Orwell? Omg, LOL. First of all when I cite him I'm citing his two seminal books, which I have read and reflected on many times: Animal Farm and 1984. These are VERY realistic examinations of the human condition.

What's clear is NEITHER of us ever read his journal entries, altho one of us desperately rushed to find 'quotes'. My immediate impression was they sound like those of a young idealist, and I strongly suspected they were from his early, naive days as a writer/journalist, a period of his which I am aware of. So, I looked it up, and of course. Homage to Catalonia was written a full ELEVEN YEARS before 1984. The Lion and the Unicorn was published eight years prior. The Loco Intellectual Dishonesty Tour continues apace :rolleyes:

Orwell grew up dude. He eventually saw things for what they are, and wrote powerfully about it. But people out there like to call his books their favorite while not having a clue what they say, and he continued indulging them. There's a lot of those people. You're those people. Whatever dude. At 50 years old you still believe everything an 18 year old campus soyboy does. Have you never ever asked yourself if that's healthy?? Anyway now we're getting into the territory of things I've said plenty of times before, so I'll leave it at that.

tpols
03-13-2022, 12:31 PM
Putin is a WEF graduate just like trudeau, macron, and most all of the other puppets. This is just the next "thing" for npcs to cheer for. They switched from COVID fear mongering to Russia fear mongering seamlessly. Theres always a plan for fear to,make people go crazy.

I'm guessing this is a setup for Klaus's "cyber attack" where they blame Russia for shutting down global power grids and collapsing economy entirely. From there comes digital ID, digital currency, and social credit score system to "get back to normal" and save society. At that point freedom of speech will be gone and they will literally be able to do anything they want no matter how nefarious. If you protest your accounts get turned off.

Jasper
03-13-2022, 01:01 PM
Putin is a WEF graduate just like trudeau, macron, and most all of the other puppets. This is just the next "thing" for npcs to cheer for. They switched from COVID fear mongering to Russia fear mongering seamlessly. Theres always a plan for fear to,make people go crazy.

I'm guessing this is a setup for Klaus's "cyber attack" where they blame Russia for shutting down global power grids and collapsing economy entirely. From there comes digital ID, digital currency, and social credit score system to "get back to normal" and save society. At that point freedom of speech will be gone and they will literally be able to do anything they want no matter how nefarious. If you protest your accounts get turned off.

might be one of the smartest statements you made on here.
the electronic world every one seems to grasp , except they are blind to the fact a person could lose everything in a nano second.

Loco 50
03-13-2022, 02:50 PM
Whoooo boy, I see Loco went on a Cringe Binge after I left last night.

Alright, let me make this as succinct as possible, because I promised I'm not gonna spend time on this kind of pointless debate with pointless people anymore:

What you said about me personally read like gibberish. And it's irrelevant anyway. The concrete accusation you did make about raging and being defensive, is called projection. I'm always comfortable being proven wrong, I love to learn. I'm not insecure. Either you dont pay attention or are lying outright to fabricate a false perception of me. When I'm boisterous and impatient it's when logic overwhelmingly indicates I'm RIGHT... and guys like you are too hollow headed and insecure to engage with any intellectual honesty.

As far as Orwell? Omg, LOL. First of all when I cite him I'm citing his two seminal books, which I have read and reflected on many times: Animal Farm and 1984. These are VERY realistic examinations of the human condition.

What's clear is NEITHER of us ever read his journal entries, altho one of us desperately rushed to find 'quotes'. My immediate impression was they sound like those of a young idealist, and I strongly suspected they were from his early, naive days as a writer/journalist, a period of his which I am aware of. So, I looked it up, and of course. Homage to Catalonia was written a full ELEVEN YEARS before 1984. The Lion and the Unicorn was published eight years prior. The Loco Intellectual Dishonesty Tour continues apace :rolleyes:

Orwell grew up dude. He eventually saw things for what they are, and wrote powerfully about it. But people out there like to call his books their favorite while not having a clue what they say, and he continued indulging them. There's a lot of those people. You're those people. Whatever dude. At 50 years old you still believe everything an 18 year old campus soyboy does. Have you never ever asked yourself if that's healthy?? Anyway now we're getting into the territory of things I've said plenty of times before, so I'll leave it at that.

:oldlol: Can you not see the irony in you taking his direct, unaltered writings, not agreeing with them, and thus applying your own spin so that they conform to your political leanings?

"Intellectual honesty" :banana: You're incapable of growth until you accept your weaknesses.

FultzNationRISE
03-13-2022, 03:19 PM
:oldlol: Can you not see the irony in you taking his direct, unaltered writings, not agreeing with them, and thus applying your own spin so that they conform to your political leanings?

"Intellectual honesty" :banana: You're incapable of growth until you accept your weaknesses.

Listen, if you can convince your brothers-in-arms-of-idiocy that is what’s going on here, it’s perfectly fine by me. You boys go ahead and ascribe whatever wonts and ways to me you wish. I’m out of the idiot convincing game. I’m retired. The levels are too far apart now. It’s at the point of being farcical. Your fallacious opinions are no longer frustration, theyre off-handed amusement, good for a chuckle here and there while I work on other things.

I’m engaging only with the real ones from now on. Not even by personal preference (altho it naturally is), but by a determination through extended analysis it IS the only way. Every other way is a guaranteed dead end. That’s just the way it is. Disheartening and unfortunate, yes, but the cold hard truth.

Anyway, you may now return to your regularly scheduled Orange Man tantrum.

Cleverness
03-13-2022, 03:47 PM
Whoooo boy, I see Loco went on a Cringe Binge after I left last night.

:roll:


:oldlol: You are equal parts slow and uninformed, but I've got insomnia so I'll share a little. Watching the videos I posted would help a lot, but it's quality information so you're probably not interested.

-Nato was created to put the clamps on Russia

-If a Nato country is attacked, every Nato member is expected to attack back

-Therefore Putin thinks Nato is bad

-Trump was actively destabilizing Nato, by stating that the article that demanded a unified response was in question and threatening to pull U.S. support

-Putin likes that Trump is doing what Putin can't

-While Ukraine is not in Nato, several of it's geopolitical neighbors are

-Putin would wait til the region was destabilized to ensure an incoherent response to Russian aggression

-Trump was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine weakening Ukraine against Russian provocation; mission accomplished

-Trump could not fully destabilize Nato in his first term; mission failed

-Putin waited for what he hoped would be a Trump second term

-Trump lost

That's a crazy conspiracy theory, but it doesn't make sense.

If Trump wanted out of NATO, then why didn't he leave NATO in 2017? 2018? 2019?

If Putin and Trump are pals, then why would Trump go after him for invading Ukraine?

Bonus: Why would you post a melting Trump candle? You were one of his biggest supporters. What changed? He just told you to social distance, wear masks, travel restrictions were necessary, to get the Trump Vaccine, and get Trump Boosted, and you strongly agreed with him.

Lakers Legend#32
03-13-2022, 03:53 PM
It's almost impossible to believe Trump exists. It's as if we took everything that was bad about America, scrapped it off the floor, wrapped it in a hot dog skin, and then taught it to make noises with its face.

FultzNationRISE
03-13-2022, 04:06 PM
It's almost impossible to believe Trump exists. It's as if we took everything that was bad about America, scrapped it off the floor, wrapped it in a hot dog skin, and then taught it to make noises with its face.

True, brother. In fact the character of Emmanuel Goldstein in the novel 1984 is an EXACT template of the Trump caricature. Goldstein’s (potentially fabricated) existence is used by The Party as an outlet for the everyday shmucks to direct their base hatred, angst, insecurity, and primal rage against. Thereby instilling a bond with their actual Inner Party overlords, who “totally hate him too!”

Loco will tell you all about it ;)

Loco 50
03-13-2022, 06:23 PM
Listen, if you can convince your brothers-in-arms-of-idiocy that is what’s going on here, it’s perfectly fine by me. You boys go ahead and ascribe whatever wonts and ways to me you wish. I’m out of the idiot convincing game. I’m retired. The levels are too far apart now. It’s at the point of being farcical. Your fallacious opinions are no longer frustration, theyre off-handed amusement, good for a chuckle here and there while I work on other things.

I’m engaging only with the real ones from now on. Not even by personal preference (altho it naturally is), but by a determination through extended analysis it IS the only way. Every other way is a guaranteed dead end. That’s just the way it is. Disheartening and unfortunate, yes, but the cold hard truth.

Anyway, you may now return to your regularly scheduled Orange Man tantrum.
Retiring to your safe space? Promises, promises, but you keep coming back.

But allow me a parting shot. Your bs spin on Orwell "growing up" and changing his views and the quote that started this argument that you called a meme,

"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

was from "Why I Write," published 1 year after Animal Farm, one of his "seminal works" that you so adore, yet poorly understand, was written.....spin that for me:hammertime:

On second thought, don't come back

FultzNationRISE
03-13-2022, 07:42 PM
Retiring to your safe space? Promises, promises, but you keep coming back.

But allow me a parting shot. Your bs spin on Orwell "growing up" and changing his views and the quote that started this argument that you called a meme,

"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

was from "Why I Write," published 1 year after Animal Farm, one of his "seminal works" that you so adore, yet poorly understand, was written.....spin that for me:hammertime:

On second thought, don't come back

Orwell might have wanted DS to work, but his books were absolutely NOT a sales pitch for it. It’s clear you arent familiar with the texts. Instead youre searching the internet for quotes. You dont want to actually know the thing. You just want to look like you triumphed in an argument.

In his books he compares the IQs of guys like you to LITERAL sheep. That’s what “Animal Farm” is about. Boxer cant memorize the alphabet past the letter D. Meanwhile Oceania’s proletariat are described as vacuous, soulless mole-people. None of the content provides any solutions. Hence the term “dystopian.” Both books end with unambiguously pessimistic conclusions.

Obviously nobody likes totalitarianism. Orwell became a hero to those who hate wealth and power. Readers understood that part of the book. They just didnt quite pick up on the fact he was also drawing attention to their limitations as an inescapable root of the problem.

Unsurprisingly, he dared not correct them after his fame rose. Go figure.

You dancing over an obvious PR quote is deliciously vintage Loco self-unawareness.

But dance away, sweet baby boy.

bladefd
03-13-2022, 08:07 PM
Putin is a WEF graduate just like trudeau, macron, and most all of the other puppets. This is just the next "thing" for npcs to cheer for. They switched from COVID fear mongering to Russia fear mongering seamlessly. Theres always a plan for fear to,make people go crazy.

I'm guessing this is a setup for Klaus's "cyber attack" where they blame Russia for shutting down global power grids and collapsing economy entirely. From there comes digital ID, digital currency, and social credit score system to "get back to normal" and save society. At that point freedom of speech will be gone and they will literally be able to do anything they want no matter how nefarious. If you protest your accounts get turned off.

Don't forget about those tracking chips, 5g brain hack, and forced sterilization through vaccines. Oh and of course, the Bill Gates world takeover!! :facepalm

You are just moving from conspiracy to conspiracy, tinfoil man. Maybe you will be right one of these times??

Loco 50
03-13-2022, 08:22 PM
Orwell might have wanted DS to work, but his books were absolutely NOT a sales pitch for it. It’s clear you arent familiar with the texts. Instead youre searching the internet for quotes. You dont want to actually know the thing. You just want to look like you triumphed in an argument.

In his books he compares the IQs of guys like you to LITERAL sheep. That’s what “Animal Farm” is about. Boxer cant memorize the alphabet past the letter D. Meanwhile Oceania’s proletariat are described as vacuous, soulless mole-people. None of the content provides any solutions. Hence the term “dystopian.” Both books end with unambiguously pessimistic conclusions.

Obviously nobody likes totalitarianism. Orwell became a hero to those who hate wealth and power. Readers understood that part of the book. They just didnt quite pick up on the fact he was also drawing attention to their limitations as an inescapable root of the problem.

Unsurprisingly, he dared not correct them after his fame rose. Go figure.

You dancing over an obvious PR quote is deliciously vintage Loco self-unawareness.

But dance away, sweet baby boy.
:oldlol: Easier to make up some horseshit about a guy, that lived by and was true to his words, needing a PR quote than to just admit you had no idea what you were talking about for years, eh? Someone that clearly would look down on sending out public statements that he in no way endorsed. He'd view them with scorn, as phony, but here you are talking about "real ones." :oldlol:

Cope harder:dancin

I'll just dust off some Orwell quotes on democratic socialism whenever I see you mention his name though. I'll date em for you too to save you some time searching.

You're such a hack. Salvage what you can of that ego. I'm done with you, baby boi.

PS: This "PR statement" was published as a forward to the 1950 edition of Animal Farm.:yaohappy:

FultzNationRISE
03-13-2022, 11:57 PM
Easier to make up some horseshit about a guy, that lived by and was true to his words, needing a PR quote than to just admit you had no idea what you were talking about for years, eh? Someone that clearly would look down on sending out public statements that he in no way endorsed. He'd view them with scorn, as phony, but here you are talking about "real ones."

Cope harder

I'll just dust off some Orwell quotes on democratic socialism whenever I see you mention his name though. I'll date em for you too to save you some time searching.

You're such a hack. Salvage what you can of that ego. I'm done with you, baby boi.

PS: This "PR statement" was published as a forward to the 1950 edition of Animal Farm.

LMAO.

The guy portrays you as an ACTUAL SHEEP, literally the book is about equating your intelligence to a farm animal :lol :lol :lol, but he prefaces it with “But I’m a socialist too guys!” and you cant figure out what‘s going on :roll:

This is not surprising. Youve STILL got Bernie “Nine Homes” Sanders in your user title, for his lifetime achievements in campaigning on and writing books about wealth inequality, then buying more homes with the proceeds.

Some people are just generically wired to play the sucker role, their whole lives through. Manifest destiny.

My man :cheers:

Loco 50
03-14-2022, 01:25 AM
Be honest with yourself now. Does this lashing out, this unhealthy coping mechanism that you fall back to every. damn. time. you're wounded really make you feel better? Don't you think you'd be a happier person if it did?

Why did you get so hurt when I simply asked you to think deeper about things?

What was the real offense?

Why is it so difficult to leave yourself open to the possibility that you were incorrect? What is really at stake? Who really cares? In the end, I don't.

Is all this because I hurt you in the past? If so, I apologize. I have a temper and I deal harshly with narcissists. I told you I've needed to work on that in the past, but it appears I haven't improved much.

A few topics to spend some introspection on.

Honestly wish you'd stop wasting your time coming at me though. You know nothing about me that I haven't provided you. That's not an accident. This place is a potential hazard to anyone with a career worth keeping.

I know what you are though. I could write an impressive case study on our interactions over the years.

Regardless, I hope you are able to think about a few things and come out the better for it. I do find that outcome doubtful. Our discussion is now over on my end.

Have a good one

FultzNationRISE
03-14-2022, 02:08 PM
Be honest with yourself now. Does this lashing out, this unhealthy coping mechanism that you fall back to every. damn. time. you're wounded really make you feel better? Don't you think you'd be a happier person if it did?

Why did you get so hurt when I simply asked you to think deeper about things?

What was the real offense?

Why is it so difficult to leave yourself open to the possibility that you were incorrect? What is really at stake? Who really cares? In the end, I don't.

Is all this because I hurt you in the past? If so, I apologize. I have a temper and I deal harshly with narcissists. I told you I've needed to work on that in the past, but it appears I haven't improved much.

A few topics to spend some introspection on.

Honestly wish you'd stop wasting your time coming at me though. You know nothing about me that I haven't provided you. That's not an accident. This place is a potential hazard to anyone with a career worth keeping.

I know what you are though. I could write an impressive case study on our interactions over the years.

Regardless, I hope you are able to think about a few things and come out the better for it. I do find that outcome doubtful. Our discussion is now over on my end.

Have a good one


:biggums:

Copying my style AND creating a false narrative to deflect your absence of substance.

And... that's it.

Guess it isn't surprising, as that does seem to be your bread and butter. Second-rate attempts at saying/doing things other people do better.

Keep practicing those Orange Man meltdowns. Remember when you said you hated him because he's heartless and lacks empathy, and then in another thread you were literally wishing painful death on him? And justified it by saying "It's okay to do it to him because he's mean!!!!! I'm good guy, he's bad!!!!"

You're frustrated at being a lifelong dweeb, hospital cafeteria janitor. Trying to be smart by memorizing the narratives sold to you as progressive, but never able to intuit logical ideas. You've gotta prove you belong by melting about Orange Man louder than the next guy, and other apish attempts to find validation. Lot of inadequacy rage, manifested typically as passive-aggressive vindictiveness.


Okay, your turn.

diamenz
03-14-2022, 03:13 PM
the only thing that can settle things between u 2 at this point is posting dick pics. let ish pick the winner.

Overdrive
03-14-2022, 08:46 PM
So Putin didn't invade while his buddy Trump was in office because of Joe Biden? That doesn't make sense. Or did he not want Ukraine while Trump was in office?

Don't purposely transform my explanation into a post hoc when it wasn't. Putin needed a strawman. And Trump didn't give him that opening, being friendly with Putin. Regardles of Trump's motivation behind it. You can swap Biden with any strawman that Putin could claim is aggressive towards Russia, while infact he's guided by some imperial greater russia doctrin.

Overdrive
03-14-2022, 08:49 PM
The Usuals arguing whether "Putin's rogue act of aggression" is Trump or Biden's fault.

Got me like

https://c.tenor.com/QGI6BYPN2WsAAAAC/dumb-and-dumber-laughing.gif


Here's to George Orwell. Cheers, wherever you are brother. :cheers:

http://sribeiro8thgradelanguageartspage.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/4/5/1145634/8851886_orig.jpg

Wtf are you even talking about? I'm one of your usuals that called it out as a selfserving aggressive act while the usual GOP shills claimed it was the west provoking the attack.

Cleverness
03-15-2022, 03:41 AM
Don't purposely transform my explanation into a post hoc when it wasn't. Putin needed a strawman. And Trump didn't give him that opening, being friendly with Putin. Regardles of Trump's motivation behind it. You can swap Biden with any strawman that Putin could claim is aggressive towards Russia, while infact he's guided by some imperial greater russia doctrin.

You're not making any sense. Yes, he can make up any strawman anytime he wants. But if Trump is his buddy, then Putin could've invaded without all the US intervention he has to deal with now, so why didn't he do it when Trump was in office?

SATAN
03-15-2022, 05:45 AM
The Kermlin want Tucker Carlson to keep up his antics. He's making them proud. :oldlol:

Just terrible, terrible stuff.

Overdrive
03-15-2022, 05:03 PM
You're not making any sense. Yes, he can make up any strawman anytime he wants. But if Trump is his buddy, then Putin could've invaded without all the US intervention he has to deal with now, so why didn't he do it when Trump was in office?

Which interventions? Putin doesn't give a shit if Russians can't buy Pepsi any more, but he has to sell this war to the russian public. An aggressive american president helps.

Lakers Legend#32
03-16-2022, 12:21 AM
Time Warner has announced they are canceling OAN, a network of wall-to-wall right-wing fear mongering, false narratives, and conspiracy theories. Or, as Trump calls them, "a wonderful network."

Somehow, everything seems right in the world.

Cleverness
03-16-2022, 01:08 AM
Which interventions? Putin doesn't give a shit if Russians can't buy Pepsi any more, but he has to sell this war to the russian public. An aggressive american president helps.

Oh, that's all the US is doing? Stopping the sale of Pepsi into Russia?

TheMan
03-16-2022, 07:30 PM
The Kermlin want Tucker Carlson to keep up his antics. He's making them proud. :oldlol:

Just terrible, terrible stuff.

Anyone?

BurningHammer
03-16-2022, 11:12 PM
Time Warner has announced they are canceling OAN, a network of wall-to-wall right-wing fear mongering, false narratives, and conspiracy theories. Or, as Trump calls them, "a wonderful network."

Somehow, everything seems right in the world.
But OAN is owned by a smaller media company named Herring Networks, isn't it? :confusedshrug:

BurningHammer
03-16-2022, 11:15 PM
Oh, that's all the US is doing? Stopping the sale of Pepsi into Russia?

Even there is no Coke or Pepsi, somebody in Russia will come up with their own colas. Nazi Germany had Fanta :ohwell:

Nanners
03-24-2022, 01:24 AM
Can someone please explain why US liberals adore Satan?

paksat
03-24-2022, 03:37 PM
i want liberals to explain why they support whatever they're told to support

Off the Court
03-24-2022, 03:47 PM
i want liberals to explain why they support whatever they're told to support
You better get your ass in church boy, or burn in hell.

Lakers Legend#32
03-24-2022, 04:14 PM
Can someone please explain why US liberals adore Satan?

Can someone please explain to the Evangelical Christians there is no Satan?

Patrick Chewing
03-24-2022, 04:33 PM
i want liberals to explain why they support whatever they're told to support

They're lazy individuals. They have been coddled their entire life. So the effort to actually think for themselves and formulate their own opinions based on their own research is too much for them. It's too much work.

That's why a shit bird like blade came on here in 2016-2020 parroting false Russian collusion nonsense that he heard from CNN and bona fide liars like Hillary Clinton.

Nanners
03-24-2022, 05:09 PM
https://i.ibb.co/Lzn8TkM/1643143129398.jpg

Lakers Legend#32
03-24-2022, 05:15 PM
https://i.ibb.co/Lzn8TkM/1643143129398.jpg

MAGA hard on