In the 92' WCF, Terry Porter averaged 26/4/8 on 52% threes (6 attempts) [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

1987_Lakers

03-09-2022, 02:10 PM

For Jordan's entire playoff career, he held down opposing backcourts - look it up - so it's unfair to compare stats when Porter is tasked with carrying the load against Jordan (commands defensive attention as a legit threat), while Pippen is left unguarded alongside the goat - he's the only notable sidekick in history that wasn't on the scouting report - he wasn't viewed as a scorer and his triangle production was baked into the cake (unguarded).

Ultimately, Pippen is the only notable 90's sidekick with low peak capability (22/5) and never led his team (never a 1b).

You say you haven't watched a game in 10 years, but now I'm convinced you have never even seen a basketball game. MJ was mostly guarded by Drexler & Cliff Robinson, not Porter. You tried to pull the same lie when you said MJ mostly guarded Reggie Miller in '98.

And if you meant Porter was carrying the load offensively, you do realize the Blazers had Drexler right? LOL

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:18 PM

1992 Finals

Pippen: 21/8/8 56%TS
Porter: 16/4/5 57%TS

Porter carried those Blazers to the Finals (see the thread title) - when did Pippen carry the Bulls??... Pippen was a carried player in every series (never led the team or achieved dominant performance) - he wasn't on the scouting report, while Porter was an actual threat that was game-planned for because he was a proven, dominant performer.. After Porter's domination in the WCF, the Bulls were wary of him.

Furthermore, the Blazers had 5 guys that were multiple time all-stars and were far more stacked, including a better defense and more scoring options.. Jordan usually overcame better defenses and more scoring options in the ECF and Finals.. He was the only real scoring threat or go-to player on the Bulls, while every opponent had multiple go-to guys.

And the last point - for Jordan's entire playoff career, he held down opposing backcourts - look it up - so it's unfair to compare stats when Porter is tasked with carrying the offense against Jordan (commands defensive attention as a legit threat), while Pippen is left unguarded alongside the goat.. Pippen is the only notable sidekick in history that wasn't on the scouting report - he wasn't viewed as a scorer and his triangle production was baked into the cake (unguarded).

Ultimately, Pippen is the only notable 90's sidekick with low peak capability (22/5) and never led his team (never a 1b).

SouBeachTalents

03-09-2022, 02:22 PM

^ You copy and pasted that word for word 15 min apart because…..mental illness?

Why don’t you respond to 1987Lakers post calling you out for not having even watched that series :lol

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:26 PM

You say you haven't watched a game in 10 years, but now I'm convinced you have never even seen a basketball game. MJ was mostly guarded by Drexler & Cliff Robinson, not Porter. You tried to pull the same lie when you said MJ mostly guarded Reggie Miller in '98.

And if you meant Porter was carrying the load offensively, you do realize the Blazers had Drexler right? LOL

You misread my post - I said MJ guarded Porter and Drexler (held the backcourt down like he did most backcourts for his entire playoff career)

So I never said that Porter guarded MJ

The point is that Porter dominated the WCF and carried the Blazers to the Finals, so this dominance received a lot of defensive attention in the Finals, while Pippen was unguarded per the standard..

Every 90's sidekick could dominate and lead their team (thereby getting defensive attention), except Pippen, who was left unguarded - he's the only notable sidekick that wasn't a go-to player that required attention.

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:29 PM

^ You copy and pasted that word for word 15 min apart because…..mental illness?

Why don’t you respond to 1987Lakers post calling you out for not having even watched that series :lol

I completely changed the post and you're just running because you can't respond

The Blazers were far more stacked and decorated team with the better defense - so Jordan had to overcome a better team - and Porter faced defensive attention as a dominant player that carried the Blazers to the Finals, while Pippen was left unguarded per the usual

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 02:32 PM

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:34 PM

Prove it.

See the thread title

Players that can dominate like that and lead their team get defensive attention - Pippen never dominated or led, so he never got defensive attention (unguarded).. He's the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a go-to player and the only sidekick with low peak capability (22/5 system player) that never led his team (never a 1b)

1987_Lakers

03-09-2022, 02:35 PM

You misread my post - I said MJ guarded Porter and Drexler (held the backcourt down like he did most backcourts for his entire playoff career)

So I never said that Porter guarded MJ

The point is that Porter dominated the WCF and carried the Blazers to the Finals, so this dominance received a lot of defensive attention in the Finals, while Pippen was unguarded per the standard..

Every 90's sidekick could dominate and lead their team (thereby getting defensive attention), except Pippen, who was left unguarded - he's the only notable sidekick that wasn't a go-to player that required attention.

Porter mostly guarded and was guarded by Paxson in that series. What a major task. Lol

And Lol @ you deleting your post.

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:40 PM

Porter mostly guarded and was guarded by Paxson in that series. What a major task. Lol

And Lol @ you deleting your post.

Anyone that carries their team to the Finals will get defensive attention.

The Bulls had to focus on the Blazers' most deadly player and heart and soul of that Blazer team - you would know this if you watched back then

Porter was the dominant heart-and-soul of the team (and the team's closer btw - an all-time clutch player), while Pippen was just an athlete an non-scorer system player that was never on the scouting report.

SouBeachTalents

03-09-2022, 02:41 PM

Porter mostly guarded and was guarded by Paxson in that series. What a major task. Lol

And Lol @ you deleting your post.
That’s the 2nd time I called him out on copy and pasting his posts word for word repeatedly, then him deleting it and blatantly lying that he didn’t. Total fakkit :lol

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:43 PM

That’s the 2nd time I called him out on copy and pasting his posts word for word repeatedly, then him deleting it and blatantly lying that he didn’t. Total fakkit :lol

Lol you're on the run because the post is completely different - you just can't respond - you may as well vacate the thread you waste of space..

I'm running a clinic in here - imagine you guys not knowing about the original mister big shot - Terry Porter - he was Chauncey before Chauncey

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 02:44 PM

See the thread title

Players that can dominate like that and lead their team get defensive attention - Pippen never dominated or led, so he never got defensive attention (unguarded).. He's the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a go-to player and the only sidekick with low peak capability (22/5 system player) that never led his team (never a 1b)

I’m asking you to prove that extra attention was shown to him by the Bulls, and that he didn’t just have a hot-shooting couple of games.

SouBeachTalents

03-09-2022, 02:49 PM

Here’s the first time fyi

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?502095-Warriors-are-still-going-strong-in-22-while-Bad-Boys-were-suddenly-done-in-92/page3

Dude went back and edited like 5 different posts like nobody would notice :lol

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:52 PM

I’m asking you to prove that extra attention was shown to him by the Bulls, and that he didn’t just have a hot-shooting couple of games.

1st options get defensive attention... :confusedshrug:..

Terry Porter had many dominating series where he led the Blazers like the 92' WCF.

Heck, the Blazers were led to the 90' Finals by their 5th option Jerome Kersey, who led the Blazers in scoring for those Western Playoffs - Kersey averaged 20 ppg in various seasons too... again, the Blazers were more stacked with a better defense and far more scoring options than the 92' Bulls.

Ultimately, Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that never dominated (low peak capability) and never led his team (never a 1b).. He's the only sidekick that wasn't a go-to player or on the scouting report.. The historical timeline shows that he was a 14 ppg system player that was briefly propped up by the triangle.
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ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 02:54 PM

1st options get defensive attention... :confusedshrug:..

Terry Porter had many dominating series where he led the Blazers like the 92' WCF.

Heck, the Blazers were led to the 90' Finals by their 5th option Jerome Kersey, who led the Blazers in scoring for those Western Playoffs - Kersey averaged 20 ppg in various seasons too... again, the Blazers were more stacked with a better defense and far more scoring options than the Bulls.

Ultimately, Pippen was the only sidekick that never dominated (low peak capability) and never led his team (never a 1b).. He's the only sidekick that wasn't a go-to player or on the scouting report.
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No one is disputing that.

3ba11

03-09-2022, 02:57 PM

No one is disputing that.

Porter was a 1st option leading scorer in the 92' WCF and numerous other series

So Pippen is the only 90's sidekick that never led a series (never a 1b) and never dominated (lowest peak capability of 22/5)

1987_Lakers

03-09-2022, 02:59 PM

And his numbers dropped in the Finals despite being guarded mostly by Paxson and Armstrong. LOL

3ba11

03-09-2022, 03:02 PM

And his numbers dropped in the Finals despite being guarded mostly by Paxson and Armstrong. LOL

As a leader in various series and 1st option, Porter faced defensive attention

It isn't just Porter - every notable 90's sidekick dominated and led their team in many series - KJ led Barkley against Hakeem in 94' and 95' (KJ averaged 27/5/9 in both series with Barkley at 2nd option.. He also carried the 90' Suns over Magic's 1 seed to make WCF).

So Pippen is the only 90's sidekick that never led a series (never a 1b) and never dominated (lowest peak capability of 22/5)

The historical timeline shows that he was a 14 ppg system player that was briefly propped up by the triangle.

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 03:19 PM

Porter was a 1st option leading scorer in the 92' WCF and numerous other series

So Pippen is the only 90's sidekick that never led a series (never a 1b) and never dominated (lowest peak capability of 22/5)

Getting hot and being the leading scorer for one series =/= being the first option. You know that.

But, haven't you described carrying the scoring load as having a series where you score at least 10 more points than the second leading scoring on the team? Between Pippen and Porter, guess who has done that. (Hint** you're not gonna like the answer)

3ba11

03-09-2022, 04:51 PM

Getting hot and being the leading scorer for one series =/= being the first option. You know that.

Are you purposefully misstating the facts to avoid addressing the points being made?

It wasn't just 1 series - Porter had numerous series where he achieved dominant stats that led the Blazers or co-led (1b)... Every 90"s sidekick did except pippen

For example, KJ was a dominant 1st option when he upset Magic's 1 seeded Lakers in 1990, and he took Hakeem 7 games twice in 94/95 as 1st option over Barkley (27/5/9 in both series)..

Meanwhile, Stockton was 1st option in various series or a 1b, including his 21/11 in the 97' WCF and the series walk-off in Barkley's face.. Other duos like Payton/Kemp took turns dominating various series and leading the team (see the 96' WCF or Finals)

Again, Pippen is the only sidekick with low peak capability that never led a team (never a 1b)

But, haven't you described carrying the scoring load as having a series where you score at least 10 more points than the second leading scoring on the team? Between Pippen and Porter, guess who has done that. (Hint** you're not gonna like the answer)

Your reference to carrying the scoring load is a different topic - this topic is about everyone in history having equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, thereby not facing maximum defensive attention for various playoff runs. Any period without facing maximum defensive attention is inflated stats compared to Jordan, who carried the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run (always defeated maximum defensive attention).

Jordan is infact the only guy that always carried the scoring load and therefore always defeated maximum defensive attention - 6 rings while defeating max defensive attention is the most by far - Lebron has none (never carried scoring load for playoffs and Finals while winning chip)

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 05:07 PM

For example, KJ was a dominant 1st option when he upset Magic's 1 seeded Lakers in 1990, and he took Hakeem 7 games twice in 94/95 as 1st option over Barkley (27/5/9 in both series)..

You're using KJ as another example of Porter having a dominant 1st option scoring series? :oldlol:

this topic is about everyone in history having equal-scoring partners

You played yourself here. If Jordan is by far the greatest scorer in NBA history (as you've said many times)...then wouldn't it then be exponentially more difficult to be an equal scorer? Damn. Holding Pippen to a higher standard than others.

And I'll repeat: But, haven't you described carrying the scoring load as having a series where you score at least 10 more points than the second leading scoring on the team? Between Pippen and Porter, only Pippen has done that.

So if Pippen can carry a scoring load and defeat maximum defensive attention as a #1 option but Porter couldn't..then why is Porter a better scorer? Huh?

3ba11

03-09-2022, 05:34 PM

You're using KJ as another example of Porter having a dominant 1st option scoring series? :oldlol:

Porter had numerous series with top-level stats that led the Blazers or co-led (1b)... Every 90"s sidekick did except pippen - only Pippen had low peak capability (couldn't dominate) and was never a 1b (always carried).

You played yourself here. If Jordan is by far the greatest scorer in NBA history (as you've said many times)...

MJ averaged 5 more ppg than everyone in playoff history with better efficiency per possession (ortg) than anyone that matters...

This ridiculous edge in raw production was achieved within the best brand of ball (6 titles as scoring champ) and while teammates play to capacity (near their career highs).. And goat clutch

So he's the goat scorer much more than people realize... (edit: only 4 ppg more than Iverson)

then wouldn't it then be exponentially more difficult to be an equal scorer? Damn. Holding Pippen to a higher standard than others.

And I'll repeat: But, haven't you described carrying the scoring load as having a series where you score at least 10 more points than the second leading scoring on the team? Between Pippen and Porter, only Pippen has done that.

Jordan won 6 times doing that (defeating max defensive attention in playoffs and Finals), while Lebron has 0...

6 to 0... Yikes

So if Pippen can carry a scoring load and defeat maximum defensive attention as a #1 option but Porter couldn't..then why is Porter a better scorer? Huh?

1st Round against a team that was missing their entire starting 5 (literally) isn't a viable example of defeating maximum defensive attention - it's an example of an exception that proves the rule.

Ultimately, Porter was a better sidekick because he could achieve dominant performance/stats (Pippen can't) and also lead teams as the sidekick, aka 1b (Pippen was never 1b and always a 2nd option, aka carried)

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 05:43 PM

So he's the goat scorer much more than people realize.

So you agree with my point. It is exponentially harder for someone to be a 1b to a guy who is that far ahead of everyone who has ever played basketball...

3ba11

03-09-2022, 05:45 PM

So you agree with my point. It is exponentially harder for someone to be a 1b to a guy who is that far ahead of everyone who has ever played basketball...

That's why I harp on peak capability, where Pippen's is lower than everyone's - only Pippen couldn't dominate and wasn't a go-to player, while Porter, KJ, Stockton, Payton, Kemp, Penny and many more dominated numerous series and led their team.. They're 1b's because of dominant stats - actually, KJ's 28/5/9 would be 1b to Jordan's 30/6/6 anyway.. ditto other sidekicks like Worthy that averaged 25-30 all the time

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 05:49 PM

That's why I harp on peak capability, where Pippen's is lower than everyone's - only Pippen couldn't dominate and wasn't a go-to player, while Porter, KJ, Stockton, Payton, Kemo, Penny and many more DID

Well we never really saw Pippen's. Other than in 94 when he scored 10 and 6 more PPG, than the next teammate of his.

And is there any point in going over how Pippen's strengths as a player often laid beyond PPG and FG%? I'm guessing not.

SouBeachTalents

03-09-2022, 05:49 PM

That's why I harp on peak capability, where Pippen's is lower than everyone's - only Pippen couldn't dominate and wasn't a go-to player, while Porter, KJ, Stockton, Payton, Kemo, Penny and many more DID
You don’t harp on that, because you rank guys with lower peak capability ahead of LeBron, Kareem, Shaq etc.

3ba11

03-09-2022, 05:58 PM

Well we never really saw Pippen's. Other than in 94 when he scored 10 and 6 more PPG, than the next teammate of his.

And is there any point in going over how Pippen's strengths as a player often laid beyond PPG and FG%? I'm guessing not.

The goat scorer averaged 34/7/7 in the 91-93' Playoffs and then retired..............

Pippen took over his role

so there's never been a bigger green light for Pippen to go off, yet he averaged 22 ppg in 94' and 95'...

So his scoring didn't increase from his high alongside Jordan (1.0 less), while his assists declined materially.(1.4 less)

The stats show that Pippen was below league-average true shooting for nearly his entire playoff career and the eye test backs up his westbrick efficiency - he was just a dunker that was instantly demoted to 89th option in Houston and Portland outside the bosum of the triangle and organic chemistry/dynasty

tpols

03-09-2022, 06:00 PM

1992 Finals

Pippen: 21/8/8 56%TS
Porter: 16/4/5 57%TS

The first articles you'll see on google if you search MJ Terry Porter 1992 Finals is how Jordan shut Terry down. So he made a guy who averaged 26 ppg in the WCF a 16 ppg scorer in the Finals ON TOP of nailing all those 3s and burying the Blazers with the iconic shrug game. That's just more evidence in OPs arsenal.

Guys like Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, James Worthy, Shawn Kemp, and John Stockton all had peak playoff series that were > Pippens best. MJ wouldve won with any of those teams because the common denominator was he always outplayed his superstar 1st option opponents ~ Magic, Barkley, Clyde, Karl Malone, Shaq, Ewing, Reggie, etc.

It was all Michael Jordan tbh. If he had 70% of his opponents help he'd win. He only lost when facing GOAT dynasties like the 80s Celtics and Pistons where he had like 10% help by comparison.

tpols

03-09-2022, 06:12 PM

Getting hot and being the leading scorer for one series =/= being the first option. You know that.

But, haven't you described carrying the scoring load as having a series where you score at least 10 more points than the second leading scoring on the team? Between Pippen and Porter, guess who has done that. (Hint** you're not gonna like the answer)

How come Pippen never got "hot" once in his entire playoff career? He literally never out produced even peak Terry Porter. What does that say to how overrated he is when all major media has him top 25 all time just because he happened to be MJs sidekick? I bet guys like Shawn Kemp are jealous. Kemp was easily better than Pippen at his peak and in their H2Hs. Jordan and Kemp would wipe the floor with Payton and Pippen.

Axe

03-09-2022, 06:14 PM

Thurston strikes again :oldlol:

SouBeachTalents

03-09-2022, 06:18 PM

The first articles you'll see on google if you search MJ Terry Porter 1992 Finals is how Jordan shut Terry down. So he made a guy who averaged 26 ppg in the WCF a 16 ppg scorer in the Finals ON TOP of nailing all those 3s and burying the Blazers with the iconic shrug game. That's just more evidence in OPs arsenal.

Guys like Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, James Worthy, Shawn Kemp, and John Stockton all had peak playoff series that were > Pippens best. MJ wouldve won with any of those teams because the common denominator was he always outplayed his superstar 1st option opponents ~ Magic, Barkley, Clyde, Karl Malone, Shaq, Ewing, Reggie, etc.

It was all Michael Jordan tbh. If he had 70% of his opponents help he'd win. He only lost when facing GOAT dynasties like the 80s Celtics and Pistons where he had like 10% help by comparison.
Another common denominator is Pippen frequently outplayed the opponents 2nd options, he honestly wasn’t even far off from Drexler in this series.

And claiming it was “all Jordan” doesn’t hold up to snuff when the Bulls won 55 games and nearly beat their biggest rival without him.

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 06:23 PM

How come Pippen never got "hot" once in his entire playoff career? He literally never out produced even peak Terry Porter. What does that say to how overrated he is when all major media has him top 25 all time just because he happened to be MJs sidekick? I bet guys like Shawn Kemp are jealous. Kemp was easily better than Pippen at his peak and in their H2Hs. Jordan and Kemp would wipe the floor with Payton and Pippen.

How come Kyle Lowry and Draymond haven’t ever outproduced peak Kemba stats?

Stop.

1987_Lakers

03-09-2022, 06:49 PM

The first articles you'll see on google if you search MJ Terry Porter 1992 Finals is how Jordan shut Terry down. So he made a guy who averaged 26 ppg in the WCF a 16 ppg scorer in the Finals ON TOP of nailing all those 3s and burying the Blazers with the iconic shrug game. That's just more evidence in OPs arsenal.

Guys like Terry Porter, Kevin Johnson, James Worthy, Shawn Kemp, and John Stockton all had peak playoff series that were > Pippens best. MJ wouldve won with any of those teams because the common denominator was he always outplayed his superstar 1st option opponents ~ Magic, Barkley, Clyde, Karl Malone, Shaq, Ewing, Reggie, etc.

It was all Michael Jordan tbh. If he had 70% of his opponents help he'd win. He only lost when facing GOAT dynasties like the 80s Celtics and Pistons where he had like 10% help by comparison.

Wrong

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1992/06/08/bulls-lift-defense-drop-blazers/8841a377-b2ea-432d-a171-945d5538dce7/

"Both Paxson and B.J. Armstrong took turns defending Porter."

Paxson started every game defending Porter with Armtrong defending him off the bench. MJ rarely guarded him. I swear this place is moronic.

tpols

03-09-2022, 07:15 PM

Another common denominator is Pippen frequently outplayed the opponents 2nd options, he honestly wasn’t even far off from Drexler in this series.

And claiming it was “all Jordan” doesn’t hold up to snuff when the Bulls won 55 games and nearly beat their biggest rival without him.

Ewing beat peak Pippen H2H in 1994 playoffs with identical help. Across the board Ewing outplayed Pippen and we all know about the infamous sit out game. The Bulls were 1 Toni Kukoc shot away from damn near being swept. The X-Man also outplayed pippen in 1992 which is something you guys don't want to talk about. Ultimately, if you gave MJ John Stockton, Kevin Johnson, James Worthy, Shawn Kemp, Penny Hardaway, Mark Price, Terry Porter etc. with some decent role players... He'd still win.

Swap Pippen for any of those guys. You think Pippen and Karl Malone beat MJ and stockton given equal role players? Or pippen and Barkley beat MJ, KJ, and thunder Dan? (we saw pippen and Barkley together in 1999... they were an atrocious fit) And it goes on and on. The common denominator is Michael Jordan. Pippen wasn't better than any of the guys MJ would've won with anyway.

tpols

03-09-2022, 07:18 PM

Wrong

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1992/06/08/bulls-lift-defense-drop-blazers/8841a377-b2ea-432d-a171-945d5538dce7/

"Both Paxson and B.J. Armstrong took turns defending Porter."

Paxson started every game defending Porter with Armtrong defending him off the bench. MJ rarely guarded him. I swear this place is moronic.

The tape shows MJ shut Terry Porter down on literally every switch the entire series.

https://youtu.be/MuSGY5Gnfro

Nice try bro.

ShawkFactory

03-09-2022, 07:24 PM

Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that without looking most people don't know who outscored who in what playoff series literally 2 years ago. Because it doesn't matter and has very little to do with who is actually better.

And now we're picking out random series from 30 years ago and applying no context of any kind to decide who is better than who.

So fvcking dumb.

Axe

03-09-2022, 07:31 PM

Thurston getting bodybagged again.

1987_Lakers

03-09-2022, 07:39 PM

The tape shows MJ shut Terry Porter down on literally every switch the entire series.

https://youtu.be/MuSGY5Gnfro

Nice try bro.

Terrible, that series almost 300 minutes long, and you only managed to find a 10 min clip where MJ defended him, and in some of those instances it's pretty obvious he wan't even the primary defender on Porter. Notice how you even say "when he switched".

Paxson started every game defending Porter, and Armstrong also spent a good chunk of time defending him. The only time I see MJ as the primary defender on Porter is when Drexler is on the bench, and Drexler played 40 mpg in that series.

Nice try trying to nitpick videos that make it seem like MJ was always on Porter.

1987_Lakers

03-09-2022, 07:55 PM

3ba11

03-09-2022, 08:17 PM

And for you guys who want to say MJ mostly defended Porter (Which isn't true), by your logic that would mean it was Pippen who defended Portland's actual best player in Drexler and held him to 41 fg%. Which discredits everything 3ball just said.

Dummies. :hammerhead:

Pippen defended Kersey or Drexler, while Jordan defended Drexler or Porter.

Regardless, the larger point is that Porter often dominated with top-level stats and 1b team leader, while Pippen is the only 90's sidekick that didn't - he never dominated (lowest peak capability of any 90's sidekick) and never led or co-led a series (never a 1b sidekick like every other 90's sidekick).

The historical timeline shows that Pippen was a system player and propped up by the triangle and organic chemistry/dynasty - he was otherwise was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score...

Let's not forget that only Pippen failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size - Pippen is 0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals.. That's 6 carry-jobs for Mike with a less-than peak Horry sidekick

3ba11

03-09-2022, 11:24 PM

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Thread Cliffs

Everyone's best was better than Pippen's best - this includes Porter, KJ, Stockton, Payton, Kemp, Penny, Miller, Worthy, Horry and X-man.

Pippen and Miller actually faced the same playoff opponent 6 times, and Pippen was drastically outplayed 6/6 times, while also being the only player that failed to reach Horry-level in the Finals over a meaningful sample size - he's 0/6 in reaching Horry's 95' gamescore..

Meanwhile, X-man averaged 25/9/4 against the 87' Lakers in the WCF, while Worthy averaged 30 on 62% - this destroys Pippen's 16 on 40% against old X-man in 92'.

3ba11

03-14-2022, 02:34 AM

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Worthy led the Lakers in the 87' Playoffs:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-14-2022/vcjgIc.gif

Worthy carried the Lakers to the 87' Finals by dominating the WCF:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-14-2022/U56RcP.gif

So Worthy led the Lakers in the 87' Playoffs (above) and 88' Playoffs (1st option & FMVP)

Every 90's sidekick has many series where they dominated and achieved top-level stats, while Pippen never did - he's the only sidekick that wasn't a threat to dominate or a go-to player, and carried in every series (never a 1b).

So every sidekick's best was better than Pippen's - his career timeline confirms that he was propped up by the triangle and dynasty chemistry (system player), but otherwise was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score.

Accordingly, only MJ lacked a go-to teammate - imagine winning 6 chips without a go-to teammate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s)

3ba11

03-17-2022, 08:37 PM

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MJ is the only player in history that never had a go-to teammate:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s

Pippen is the only 90's sidekick that had low statistical peak, i.e. never achieved top-level stats in a series and never took over like every other sidekick did in many series..

Only MJ won a bunch of chips without a go-to teammate

Pippen's career timeline confirms that he was propped up by the triangle and dynasty chemistry (system player), but otherwise was a 14 ppg dunker that couldn't score.