Mvp Tatum backs up his 53pt game with 44pts tonight

[GrayGoat]

:biggums::biggums::biggums:

[tontoz]

He might actually be a MVP candidate if he hadn't gotten off to such a crap start. From what i remember slow starts seem to be a thing with him.

[Axe]

Tatum becoming more consistent as playoff time nears.

[GrayGoat]

He might actually be a MVP candidate if he hadn't gotten off to such a crap start. From what i remember slow starts seem to be a thing with him.

With a crap start he is still right here with everyone

[3ba11]

He has an MJ play (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmqqUogkwA) in every game, and he's similar to Kawhi, Kobe and MJ in that he's elite in the most number of scoring categories compared to his peers.

He's elite as a ball-handler, off-ball player, post player, or high post/triple-threat scorer, while also being capable of overpowering at the rim or using elite jumpshooting skill that including turnarounds, mid-range and threes.

The whole package.

He should continue doing what he's doing as a complete scorer (maximum scoring diversity).. I see further upside as a post player using more face-ups, headfakes-blowbys and also quick, surgical spin moves.

[Axe]

He has an MJ play (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmqqUogkwA) in every game, and he's similar to Kawhi, Kobe and MJ in that he's elite in the most number of scoring categories compared to his peers.

He's elite as a ball-handler, off-ball player, post player, or high post/triple-threat scorer, while also being capable of overpowering at the rim or using elite jumpshooting skill that including turnarounds, mid-range and threes.

The whole package.

The primary upside that he still has is to continue sharpening his surgical tool.
Except tatum made the conference finals in his first season in the league while taking kong plus his cavs to seven games rt.

[3ba11]

Except tatum made the conference finals in his first season in the league while taking kong plus his cavs to seven games rt.


It helps to have a high seed that was achieved by a historic winner and champion - Kyrie - whose goat scoring diversity was a shining example for Tatum.. Kyrie got him off to a sparkling start - each 1 teach 1.. If only every rookie could be so fortunate.. Horford, Brown and a developed organic culture also helps.

It's funny because if 88-90' Pippen could've played like rookie Tatum, the Bulls would've easily chipped those years - but if 88-90' Pippen played like... just about ANYONE, the Bulls would've won

[Axe]

It helps to have a high seed that was achieved by a historic winner and champion - Kyrie - whose goat scoring diversity was a shining example for Tatum.. Kyrie got him off to a sparkling start - each 1 teach 1.. If only every rookie could be so fortunate.

It's funny because if 89' Pippen could've played like rookie Tatum, the Bulls would've easily chipped that year - but if 89' Pippen played like... just about ANYONE and the Bulls would've won
Kyrie never even played in the 2018 playoffs. Stop fooling us.

[3ba11]

Kyrie never even played in the 2018 playoffs. Stop fooling us.


The Celtics had easy matchups because they were the 2 seed

That's why they made the ECF - they were a high seed due to Kyrie surprising everyone and turning the rookie Celtics into the league juggernaut

Btw, the 18' East had historic weakness - if Lebron's super-team didn't win (reduced to a 2-star team after Kyrie's departure), the Oladipo Pacers or rookie Tatum Celtics would've made Finals.

[Axe]

The Celtics had easy matchups because they were the 2 seed

That's why they made the ECF - they were a high seed due to Kyrie surprising everyone and turning the rookie Celtics into the league juggernaut
Like what happened in 2019 when he was healthy and the Cs won six lesser games in the rs while they got bounced out in the second round? Sure thing.

[3ba11]

Like what happened in 2019 when he was healthy and the Cs won six lesser games in the rs while they got bounced out in the second round? Sure thing.


Hayward returned in 2019 and cratered Tatum/Brown across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP)

Ainge insisted on playing his 100 million dollar man.

[SouBeachTalents]

It helps to have a high seed that was achieved by a historic winner and champion - Kyrie - whose goat scoring diversity was a shining example for Tatum.. Kyrie got him off to a sparkling start - each 1 teach 1.. If only every rookie could be so fortunate.

It's funny because if 89' Pippen could've played like rookie Tatum, the Bulls would've easily chipped that year - but if 89' Pippen played like... just about ANYONE and the Bulls would've won
:roll: The guy with one sidekick title in a decade is a historic winner and champion? And tell me, what happened when the historic winner and champion with goat scoring diversity was able to play with Tatum in the playoffs the following season?

[tontoz]

The Celtics had easy matchups because they were the 2 seed

That's why they made the ECF - they were a high seed due to Kyrie surprising everyone and turning the rookie Celtics into the league juggernaut

Btw, the 18' East had historic weakness - if Lebron's super-team didn't win (reduced to a 2-star team after Kyrie's departure), the Oladipo Pacers or rookie Tatum Celtics would've made Finals.

Kyrie played only 20 games that year. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

:roll: The guy with one sidekick title in a decade is a historic winner and champion? And tell me, what happened when the historic winner and champion with goat scoring diversity was able to play with Tatum in the playoffs the following season?


If Pippen had a championship run where he was equal-scoring partner to the #2 player ever and destroyed the league MVP in the Finals, while also hitting a top 3 all-time closing shot - this would make him a historic winner and champion regardless of what he did the rest of his career..

Kyrie executed a 1-3 comeback against the Warriors by being the only player in history to get 40 points on 70% in a Finals game, aside from Wilt..

Ultimately, Kyrie is the only sidekick in history that outplayed a league MVP or FMVP except for Bosh (11' ecf), AD (20' wcf), or Wade (11' Finals) - only Lebron's sidekicks outplay league MVP's - that's the most help possible.

[GrayGoat]

Kyrie played only 20 games that year. :oldlol:

Kyrie’s off-court game got them that high seed ;)

[Axe]

Somehow, it was hayward's fault that they did not advance further that year. Even tho the Cs (sans uncle) found themselves in the ecf once more during the 2020 disney bubble. :yaohappy:

[3ba11]

Somehow, it was hayward's fault that they did not advance further that year. :yaohappy:


Hayward was the reason they were no longer a high seed or good team - that's what happens when you crater 2 of the league's biggest upcoming stars

Listen to Tatum discuss how he was okay with Kyrie returning because he knew what Kyrie could do, but Hayward.... not so much... you must read between the lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQnXdvDgODA&t=04m20s

[3ba11]

If Pippen had a championship run where he was equal-scoring partner to the #2 player ever and destroyed the league MVP in the Finals, while also hitting a top 3 all-time closing shot - this would make him a historic winner and champion regardless of what he did the rest of his career..

Kyrie executed a 1-3 comeback against the Warriors by being the only player in history to get 40 points on 70% in a Finals game, aside from Wilt, and then burying the walk-off winner in Curry's face..

Ultimately, Kyrie is the only sidekick in history that outplayed a league MVP or FMVP except for Bosh (11' ecf), AD (20' wcf), or Wade (11' Finals) - only Lebron's sidekicks outplay league MVP's - that's the most help possible.


SouBeach on the run but I repost this just in case you missed

[Axe]

Yet the Cs made the conference finals again during the 2020 disney bubble without irving.

[3ba11]

Btw, here's the MJ play that I forgot to timestamp earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmqqUogkwA&t=32s

[3ba11]

Yet the Cs made the conference finals again during the 2020 disney bubble without irving.


Hayward was exposed by then and Tatum/Brown had recovered to become stars in 2020

[tontoz]

Hayward was exposed by then and Tatum/Brown had recovered to become stars in 2020

They recovered from......


Playing with Kyrie

[Axe]

They also didn't need him in order to beat the defending champions during that time. Irving also, who's already on another team, just sat out the entire period of that postseason.

[3ba11]

They recovered from......


Playing with Kyrie


Tatum/Brown were great alongside Kyrie's goat scoring diversity - he fits with anyone - it's Hayward that stunted their development in 2019

[SouBeachTalents]

If Pippen had a championship run where he was equal-scoring partner to the #2 player ever and destroyed the league MVP in the Finals, while also hitting a top 3 all-time closing shot - this would make him a historic winner and champion regardless of what he did the rest of his career..

Kyrie executed a 1-3 comeback against the Warriors by being the only player in history to get 40 points on 70% in a Finals game, aside from Wilt..

Ultimately, Kyrie is the only sidekick in history that outplayed a league MVP or FMVP except for Bosh (11' ecf), AD (20' wcf), or Wade (11' Finals) - only Lebron's sidekicks outplay league MVP's - that's the most help possible.
Still failing to see what makes one sidekick title a historic winner. We going off the basis of a single game now, the same game LeBron also scored 41 points :lol

I also see you completely ducked answering what happened when Kyrie with the GOAT scoring diversity returned with Tatum the following season.

[3ba11]

Still failing to see what makes one sidekick title a historic winner. We going off the basis of a single game now, the same game LeBron also scored 41 points :lol





Kyrie averaged 30 on 53% for the last 3 games and hit the closing shot to bring the Cavs back from 1-3 deficit.

Ultimately, if Pippen had a championship run where he was equal-scoring partner to the #2 player ever and destroyed the league MVP in the Finals, while also hitting a top 3 all-time closing shot - this would make him a historic winner and champion regardless of what he did the rest of his career..






I also see you completely ducked answering what happened when Kyrie with the GOAT scoring diversity returned with Tatum the following season.


It was mentioned elsewhere itt that Hayward's return in 2019 cratered Tatum/Brown across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48), hence the decline of the Celtics to a crappier seed that year.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie averaged 30 on 53% for the last 3 games and hit the closing shot to bring the Cavs back from 1-3 deficit.

Ultimately, if Pippen had a championship run where he was equal-scoring partner to the #2 player ever and destroyed the league MVP in the Finals, while also hitting a top 3 all-time closing shot - this would make him a historic winner and champion regardless of what he did the rest of his career..






It was mentioned elsewhere itt that Hayward's return in 2019 cratered Tatum/Brown across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48), hence the decline of the Celtics to a crappier seed that year.
LeBron averaged 36/12/9/3/3 on 51% over the final 3 games, tiers better than Kyrie, even at scoring :lol So glad we were able to establish we're hyping up a single sidekick title as being a historic winner.

And your last point is pathetic horseshit. The Celtics literally made the conference finals the following season. And if Kyrie had the GOAT scoring diversity as you claim, he should've been able to make it work with Hayward, instead of putting up a pathetic 19 points on 21 shots and 41%TS over the final 4 games, all losses, against Milwaukee.

[Wally450]

Hayward was exposed by then and Tatum/Brown had recovered to become stars in 2020

Stick to talking about MJ please :facepalm

[3ba11]

LeBron averaged 36/12/9/3/3 on 51% over the final 3 games, tiers better than Kyrie, even at scoring :lol So glad we were able to establish we're hyping up a single sidekick title as being a historic winner.

And your last point is pathetic horseshit. The Celtics literally made the conference finals the following season. And if Kyrie had the GOAT scoring diversity as you claim, he should've been able to make it work with Hayward, instead of putting up a pathetic 19 points on 21 shots and 41%TS over the final 4 games, all losses, against Milwaukee.


In the 2016 Finals, Lebron had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals (never carried the scoring load in PO & Finals while winning a chip)..

So Lebron has zero rings while defeating maximum defensive attention, to SIX for jordan... 6 to 0... yikes

And the Celtics made the 20' ECF because Tatum/Brown recovered from Hayward's cratering in 19' to become stars in 20'

[Wally450]

In the 2016 Finals, Lebron had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals (never carried the scoring load in PO & Finals while winning a chip)..

So Lebron has zero rings while defeating maximum defensive attention, to SIX for jordan... 6 to 0... yikes

And the Celtics made the 20' ECF because Tatum/Brown recovered from Hayward's cratering in 19' to become stars in 20'

Kyrie leaves the team and Hayward is there in 2020 yet somehow Tatum and Brown recovered from Hayward?

Haywards ankle injury against Philly in 2020 was one of the reasons they struggled against the Raptors and Heat. If he’s there and healthy, they probably make the Finals….. without Kyrie.

[SouBeachTalents]

In the 2016 Finals, Lebron had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals (never carried the scoring load in PO & Finals while winning a chip)..

So Lebron has zero rings while defeating maximum defensive attention, to SIX for jordan... 6 to 0... yikes

And the Celtics made the 20' ECF because Tatum/Brown recovered from Hayward's cratering in 19' to become stars in 20'
Lmao, COMPLETELY moving the goal posts on that one :lol And he did prove what you said by outscoring Wade by 10 ppg throughout the 2013 playoffs. Just to emphasize how arbitrary and retarded your criteria is, because in one specific series LeBron outscored his sidekick by 6 ppg instead of 10, this defines 19 seasons of basketball? Yeah, that’s fcking retarded. What makes it even funnier is Giannis, Kawhi & Dirk didn’t accomplish that either, yet you put them in your top 10 for that very reason :lol

[Axe]

Why has this thread turned into a lebron one. :oldlol:

[GrayGoat]

Why has this thread turned into a lebron one. :oldlol:

You mentioned LeBron “Kong” in the 6th post I’m this thread…are you retarded? Fvcking can’t have one thread without LeBron in it

[Axe]

You mentioned LeBron “Kong” in the 6th post I’m this thread…are you retarded? Fvcking can’t have one thread without LeBron in it
Ok boomer

[Smook A.]

You mentioned LeBron “Kong” in the 6th post I’m this thread…are you retarded? Fvcking can’t have one thread without LeBron in it

Welcome to InsideHoops :lol

[Phoenix]

Stick to talking about MJ please :facepalm

No don't do that either, he's caused enough damage.

[Spurs m8]

Nice to see he did this and didn't choke against the magic or something

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Tatum's elite caliber in a high number of scoring methods is reminiscent of MJ, who would be averaging 45-50 in today's game, with 100% certainty

[GOATKawhi_2]

Our American full white players suck ass but our half breeds are gods (curry, trae, Tatum).

Top 30 goat level players in their own rights, maybe even top 20

[GOATKawhi_2]

Lmao, COMPLETELY moving the goal posts on that one :lol And he did prove what you said by outscoring Wade by 10 ppg throughout the 2013 playoffs. Just to emphasize how arbitrary and retarded your criteria is, because in one specific series LeBron outscored his sidekick by 6 ppg instead of 10, this defines 19 seasons of basketball? Yeah, that’s fcking retarded. What makes it even funnier is Giannis, Kawhi & Dirk didn’t accomplish that either, yet you put them in your top 10 for that very reason :lol

Kawhi won a title in Toronto without a 20PPG scorer on his team. Lowry is like Horry if he can dribble and siakam is a bum career negative playoff BPM without whi

[Axe]

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Thread Cliffs

Tatum's elite caliber in a high number of scoring methods is reminiscent of MJ, who would be averaging 45-50 in today's game, with 100% certainty
With or without the wnba 3-point line?

[3ba11]

Lmao, COMPLETELY moving the goal posts on that one :lol And he did prove what you said by outscoring Wade by 10 ppg throughout the 2013 playoffs. Just to emphasize how arbitrary and retarded your criteria is, because in one specific series LeBron outscored his sidekick by 6 ppg instead of 10, this defines 19 seasons of basketball? Yeah, that’s fcking retarded. What makes it even funnier is Giannis, Kawhi & Dirk didn’t accomplish that either, yet you put them in your top 10 for that very reason :lol


It's important to separate the Finals, since that's the highest level of competition - if you can't carry the scoring load on the championship level, then you aren't defeating maximum defensive attention.

So Lebron can't defeat maximum defensive attention because he never carried the scoring load in the Finals while winning a chip.. And in general, he almost never carries the scoring load, even for in-conference series - AD led the Lakers in 20' playoffs, while Kyrie matched Lebron in 16' (Wade led in 11') - so Lebron mostly needs equal-scoring partners and always does on the championship level.

Lebron can't win with high scoring (carry scoring load) because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat good teams and he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill needed to beat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

[3ba11]

With or without the wnba 3-point line?


If Curry purposefully limited himself to 1 highly-contested, end-of-shot clock three per game ,(1 bailout per game), then he would shoot poorly from three like MJ did most years.

But anytime Jordan had more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes the 92' Finals (5 attempts on 42%), or the 93' Playoffs (4 attempts at 39%), or the 90' and 93' regular seasons (3 attempts at 38% and 35%).

Notice how the efficiency declines as the attempts decline, aka Jordan's goat form would be getting hot all the time at today's higher volume..

Btw, Jordan was goat at elevating for threes, as seen here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldO2eEm-9lg&t=56m13s), aka he could do whatever he wanted on the basketball court (no weaknesses).

He also had the goat 2-point game, so he doesn't need threes anyway - he averaged 37 on all 2's without spacing and with hand-checking/physicality

[Axe]

If Curry purposefully limited himself to 1 highly-contested, end-of-shot clock three per game ,(1 bailout per game), then he would shoot poorly from three like MJ did most years.

But anytime Jordan had more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes the 92' Finals (5 attempts on 42%), or the 93' Playoffs (4 attempts at 39%), or the 90' and 93' regular seasons (3 attempts at 38% and 35%).

Notice how the efficiency declines as the attempts decline, aka Jordan's goat form would be getting hot all the time at today's higher volume..

Btw, Jordan was goat at elevating for threes, as seen here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldO2eEm-9lg&t=56m13s), aka he could do whatever he wanted on the basketball court (no weaknesses).

He also had the goat 2-point game, so he doesn't need threes anyway - he averaged 37 on all 2's without spacing and with hand-checking/physicality
Well he had liberty en route to making those shots because of pippen's skill as defensive floor general. Thus, notice how the bulls defense didn't drop too much when he first retired in 1993. That's why they were able to win over 50 games prior to the start of the 1994 postseason. Also the fact that pip led them in majority of the categories sans scoring during those times should be not overlooked as well.

[ZionDunks]

I would take Tatum over and under 25 player in the NBA

https://rocknrolla.substack.com/p/tatum-dominates-again-with-44-in?s=w

[Mask the Embiid]

Why cant he do this vs giannis? Where was this vs the nets? Where was this in the bubble? Where was this game 7 vs LeBron

:hammertime:

[GrayGoat]

Why cant he do this vs giannis? Where was this vs the nets? Where was this in the bubble? Where was this game 7 vs LeBron

:hammertime:
We are due for a showdown bud

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Won't be long before he's the best SF in the league

And honestly Durant/Kawhi are injured too often at this stage for me to strongly consider them over Tatum right now

Might finally be his time

Say what you will about his slow starts but he's looked good in the PS outside of 2019 (when he was 20) and that matters more to me anyway

[Manny98]

Big dick Simmons will shut him down

[AirBonner]

Big dick Simmons will shut him down

:oldlol: Funniest shit I have heard

[CelticBaller]

Big dick Simmons will shut him down

Mr 1 pt?

[Shogon]

Yes, yes. MVP, clearly.

[SATAN]

Good bump. 5 starred. :lol

[Manny98]

:oldlol: Funniest shit I have heard
Shut down by Wiggins :roll::roll::roll: