Episode 3.5 is here - Obi Wan Kenobi trailer

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnlOhdFZSXw


another fight between Obi Wan & Vader?

[Patrick Chewing]

These shows have been light years better than any of the films, especially the last 3 sequel films.

[CelticBaller]

the sequels sucked so bad people are more interested in the prequel lore than the new one

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Book of Bobba Fett sucked until the Mandalorian showed up.

[highwhey]

The Book of Bobba Fett sucked until the Mandalorian showed up.

agreed lol

[Meticode]

The Book of Bobba Fett sucked until the Mandalorian showed up.

Didn't suck for me. I found it interesting the flashbacks with the Tusken Raiders, but it was very lackluster. The Mandalorian definitely made the show must-watch at the end though.

[Bawkish]

This smells like a bait and switch

You think Obi-Wan is the protagonist till some female character comes in and steals his thunder

As expected from Disneyfied Star Wars

[Doomsday Dallas]

SPOILER ALERT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmx8-05FfgQ



After all these years... Damn.

Serious Revenge.

[Patrick Chewing]

RIP Obi :(

[red1]

you can just tell they're going to make darth vader kill the female inquisitor

they're going to make obi-wan lose to darth vader again, then he's going to beat the black chick in a duel and then darth vader will kill her while obi-wan gets away with kid leia.


meanwhile luke is at home doing **** all probably discovering internet porn at that same age of 10 and yoda is smoking his space kush on that swamp planet.



that's the plot. I'm one of the writers.

[Meticode]

I'm enjoying Kenobi. I was kind of surprised Disney let them go as far as they did with Vader walking down the village main snapping people's necks and dragging women by their necks using the force. I mean, that's what you think Vader is capable of, but you really never fully see how ruthless he is until Rogue One f*cking up those rebels. That's the first time to me they actually made Vader terrifying. I knew Vader was in the show, but I'd thought it'd be something they'd reveal in the last two episodes. Also was totally surprised by Leia.

[Lebron23]

I'm enjoying Kenobi. I was kind of surprised Disney let them go as far as they did with Vader walking down the village main snapping people's necks and dragging women by their necks using the force. I mean, that's what you think Vader is capable of, but you really never fully see how ruthless he is until Rogue One f*cking up those rebels. That's the first time to me they actually made Vader terrifying. I knew Vader was in the show, but I'd thought it'd be something they'd reveal in the last two episodes. Also was totally surprised by Leia.

Better than the latest trilogy.

[Meticode]

Better than the latest trilogy.

The Trilogy could've been decent, but I think the biggest mistake Disney made was giving the reigns to Rian Johnson. Then Abrams basically had to reverse everything Johson changed. The whole thing was just poorly managed. The Force Awakens actually wasn't bad to me, was average which is way better than The Last Jedi or the Rise of Skywalker.

[Off the Court]

They got all the original prequal actors and even James Earl Jones for Vader.

Kenobi vs Vader is about as epic as Star Wars can get.

I am wondering why this wasn't a high budget movie instead of a lower budget series? Because I don't see how this feud could drag multiple seasons.

[Patrick Chewing]

They got all the original prequal actors and even James Earl Jones for Vader.

Kenobi vs Vader is about as epic as Star Wars can get.

I am wondering why this wasn't a high budget movie instead of a lower budget series? Because I don't see how this feud could drag multiple seasons.

The whole series is just these 6 episodes and that's it. There are no more seasons after this.


There are rumors that have linked Hayden Christensen to a stand alone Vader series which would focus on the years between Episode III Revenge of the Sith and Episode IV A New Hope.

[bladefd]

The whole series is just these 6 episodes and that's it. There are no more seasons after this.


There are rumors that have linked Hayden Christensen to a stand alone Vader series which would focus on the years between Episode III Revenge of the Sith and Episode IV A New Hope.

That would be awesome. There are comics and books on Vader over that span but a bit limited. They could really do something great that is multi-seasonal and goes more into Vader's story.

[Phoenix]

My problem with Obi-wan facing off against Vader at this point is that it lessons the impact of their meeting in the original Star Wars movie. Am I right in saying that we all thought these two faced off in Episode 3, then didn't see each other again for 20 years? The dialogue from their final duel supports this ' When I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master!' It's at least a reasonable assumption that dialogue supports the idea that their last meeting was Anakin's defeat at Obi-wans hands on Mustafar, when Obi-wan actually WAS the master.

Quite obviously Vader is in peak form here against a diminished Obi-wan. Now, I assume Qui-gon will surface, help Obi-wan tap back into the force, and maybe they fight again during this show and Obi-wan fares better. If he wins, that diminishes Vader because then narratively it's like ok Vader lost prior to Return of the Jedi. Vader should be basically untouchable until Luke beats him. In any case, I'm wondering how they're going to write around the existing canon because in my humble view, this dilutes the potency of their face-off in A new hope. On that note, has anyone here seen this fan remake of that fight?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2SMng4u1k

[Patrick Chewing]

While I love Darth Vader as a character and a villain, so long as he is on the big screen, we will never then get to see the other Sith Lords that exist in the SWU due to the rule of two. Cause as long as Vader exists, the other Sith Lord will always be Sidious.

Would like to see a Live Action version of Darth Sion or Darth Traya.

[Phoenix]

While I love Darth Vader as a character and a villain, so long as he is on the big screen, we will never then get to see the other Sith Lords that exist in the SWU due to the rule of two. Cause as long as Vader exists, the other Sith Lord will always be Sidious.

Would like to see a Live Action version of Darth Sion or Darth Traya.

They're stuck on this particular storyline with the Skywalkers, telling stories that are filling in the gaps between the movies. The worst thing about the original Star Wars is that its become so iconic that they seem hesitant to move beyond it. They really need to go back to the days of the Old Republic, or go 100 years forward so they can tell stories that aren't restricted by adhering to the movie series canon.

[Phoenix]

Episode 4 was aggressively mediocre.

[Patrick Chewing]

Episode 4 was aggressively mediocre.

This show officially sucks donkey dick. What an epic let down from the previews. Where should I start? Better yet, here's a list with all the shit that's wrong with this series that I can think of. Feel free to add to it.


- Where's Luke? We're 4 episodes in and we were teased Luke and this has become the Princess Leia series.
- Once again, this is Woke Disney promoting diversity just to virtue signal. Obi Wan takes a backseat to Reva, Leia, and Tala. Even Vader is manipulated by this "new" character in Reva.
- Where's Hayden Christensen? Once again, 4 episodes in and you wonder what the hell these writers are thinking about just shoving these female characters in our face. And, if you look at IMDB, the actress that plays Leia is credited with being in all 6 episodes whereas the actor that plays Luke will show up in the last Episode. Ridiculous. The Grand Inquisitor is credited with 4 episodes, so hopefully he comes back and slices Reva real nice into several pieces cause her character sucks ass.
- This episode was just so comedic with how amateurish it looked. Where were the Tie Fighters? How does Tala knock out a Stormtrooper with a slap to the face?? Just comedic garbage. :oldlol:

Here's a great review of Episode IV:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOqEbahmfo

[Phoenix]

This show officially sucks donkey dick. What an epic let down from the previews. Where should I start? Better yet, here's a list with all the shit that's wrong with this series that I can think of. Feel free to add to it.


- Where's Luke? We're 4 episodes in and we were teased Luke and this has become the Princess Leia series.
- Once again, this is Woke Disney promoting diversity just to virtue signal. Obi Wan takes a backseat to Reva, Leia, and Tala. Even Vader is manipulated by this "new" character in Reva.
- Where's Hayden Christensen? Once again, 4 episodes in and you wonder what the hell these writers are thinking about just shoving these female characters in our face. And, if you look at IMDB, the actress that plays Leia is credited with being in all 6 episodes whereas the actor that plays Luke will show up in the last Episode. Ridiculous. The Grand Inquisitor is credited with 4 episodes, so hopefully he comes back and slices Reva real nice into several pieces cause her character sucks ass.
- This episode was just so comedic with how amateurish it looked. Where were the Tie Fighters? How does Tala knock out a Stormtrooper with a slap to the face?? Just comedic garbage. :oldlol:



The show has fallen victim to the same shit that's fukking up everything else Disney is doing, as you said. They're making the main male protagonist take a backseat to the 'strong female' in his own story. Worse, not only is he a supporting character in his own show, they've made a point to show him as being stupid, weak and cowardly until this episode where he all of a sudden has his mojo back after Vader kicked his ass with ridiculous ease. THere's nothing setting up him being at this lowest point at the end of episode 3, to Jedi mode in the Inquisitor base in episode 4. No training, no interaction with Qui-gon( where is he??).

They're trying to retcon Leia as being as important to the greater story as Luke, when Leia always took third billing behind Luke and Han. Pissing on Luke started with his depiction in the Last Jedi, and now beyond a 5 second cameo of him pretend-flying outside the Lars home with Obi-wan looking from a distance, he's been completetly absent. So with Obi-wan off-planet chasing Leia, who's protecting Luke at the moment? Who cares I guess, because Luka is no longer important per Disney's MO.

You bring up the Tala bitch-slap on the Trooper( which if anything should have resulted in a broken hand), but you forgot the part where she's sitting there a FEW FEET from one of the Imperial officers whispering into the comlink. Or Obi-wan hiding Leia under a fukking trenchcoat and casually walking through with hundreds of imperial officers and troopers completely oblivious. You've got people making millions of dollars, sitting in a room watching this shit, and giving it the 'this is fine!' go ahead.

Star Wars died in 2012.

[Patrick Chewing]

The show has fallen victim to the same shit that's fukking up everything else Disney is doing, as you said. They're making the main male protagonist take a backseat to the 'strong female' in his own story. Worse, not only is he a supporting character in his own show, they've made a point to show him as being stupid, weak and cowardly until this episode where he all of a sudden has his mojo back after Vader kicked his ass with ridiculous ease. THere's nothing setting up him being at this lowest point at the end of episode 3, to Jedi mode in the Inquisitor base in episode 4. No training, no interaction with Qui-gon( where is he??).

They're trying to retcon Leia as being as important to the greater story as Luke, when Leia always took third billing behind Luke and Han. Pissing on Luke started with his depiction in the Last Jedi, and now beyond a 5 second cameo of him pretend-flying outside the Lars home with Obi-wan looking from a distance, he's been completetly absent. So with Obi-wan off-planet chasing Leia, who's protecting Luke at the moment? Who cares I guess, because Luka is no longer important per Disney's MO.

You bring up the Tala bitch-slap on the Trooper( which if anything should have resulted in a broken hand), but you forgot the part where she's sitting there a FEW FEET from one of the Imperial officers whispering into the comlink. Or Obi-wan hiding Leia under a fukking trenchcoat and casually walking through with hundreds of imperial officers and troopers completely oblivious. You've got people making millions of dollars, sitting in a room watching this shit, and giving it the 'this is fine!' go ahead.

Star Wars died in 2012.

Man I'm glad to see someone else who feels the same way.

Yeah that whole scene with Tala just acting so obviously out of place is hysterical to me. She goes through that whole scene outside as she tries to enter the base, then she sits in some random seat that was available and no one seems to notice. But it doesn't end there, she starts talking into this microphone where even the guy next to her looks over and is like "wtf are you doing?" and yet he says nothing. It's just sooooooo poorly written and stupid.

And yeah, the fire scene with Vader and Obi Wan. After all these years, this is how the two of them meet for the first time? Obi Wan a trembling coward and then Vader throws him into the fire and somehow cannot kill him?? :oldlol:

Star Wars fanboys are online saying how he just wanted to wait till Obi Wan was at full strength. Oh please! :roll:


It's like you said. How out of touch do these writers and producers have to be to write these scripts and actually think this is something well-written? Something that actually adds to the lore? It's a ****ing joke.

[highwhey]

for sure thought they'd turn around this by episode 3 or 4....boy was i wrong :oldlol:

[coin24]

I was hyped for this, trailer looked good, but it just gets worse and worse..

It’s basically just the leia super female empowerment hour:facepalm reva is up there with captain marvel as total pieces of shit

Fu*k Disney

[Doomsday Dallas]

Fu*k Disney

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I still remember my reaction til this day

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But the female empowerment agenda hasn't ruined Obi-wan for me yet.

I'm just glad Vader is back.

[Patrick Chewing]

And Disney and Lucasfilms appear to be doubling down. There is a rumored Reva series in the works. They labeled all of the fans racist for not liking the Reva character, so now to rub it in our faces, she's getting her very own series even though she's a made-up character that is not part of the Star Wars universe. Just because she's a female and because she's Black.


There is this incessant need to create new characters that are not canon and time and time it backfires on these companies. Look at the new Halo show. They absolutely butchered that series. As a Halo super fan, I hope they cancel the series. That's how bad it is.


The two best shows out there right now are The Boys and Cobra Kai. You have EXCELLENT writing with these two shows. EXCELLENT.

[Chick Stern]

The Reva storyline is likely deeper.
She was a Jedi trainee, and bitter at Darth for killing all the yutes who were her friends (or maybe her sensei, who was a mother figure).
She uses Obi Wan as a bait for Darth, and then when he is distracted by Obi, she tries to kill him (and fails obviously)

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and c’mon Patty, you should be happy. She’s the angry black woman cliche that you love.

[Phoenix]

Man I'm glad to see someone else who feels the same way.

Yeah that whole scene with Tala just acting so obviously out of place is hysterical to me. She goes through that whole scene outside as she tries to enter the base, then she sits in some random seat that was available and no one seems to notice. But it doesn't end there, she starts talking into this microphone where even the guy next to her looks over and is like "wtf are you doing?" and yet he says nothing. It's just sooooooo poorly written and stupid.

And yeah, the fire scene with Vader and Obi Wan. After all these years, this is how the two of them meet for the first time? Obi Wan a trembling coward and then Vader throws him into the fire and somehow cannot kill him?? :oldlol:

Star Wars fanboys are online saying how he just wanted to wait till Obi Wan was at full strength. Oh please! :roll:


It's like you said. How out of touch do these writers and producers have to be to write these scripts and actually think this is something well-written? Something that actually adds to the lore? It's a ****ing joke.

Disney has managed to take my all-time favorite franchise and make me not give a single solitary f*uck if nothing Star Wars related ever comes out again. Quite the achievement...

[Bawkish]

This smells like a bait and switch

You think Obi-Wan is the protagonist till some female character comes in and steals his thunder

As expected from Disneyfied Star Wars

Looks like i'm right all this time :lol

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw


I don't understand... Disney has trillions of dollars at their disposal, and yet some random person on youtube makes him look younger in less than a day.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL-N2ywWhOw


I don't understand... Disney has trillions of dollars at their disposal, and yet some random person on youtube makes him look younger in less than a day.

The people at Disney are lazy in their work ethic. They know people are going to watch no matter what. And, they rush these projects cause they know money is on the line. The Deepfake guys or whoever did the same thing to Luke's face from the Season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. Then, Disney got their shit together and did a better job for Luke's appearance in The Book of Boba Fett.

[Nanners]

Its kind of hilarious how much Disney hates fans of the original Star Wars characters... why would you spend billions of dollars buying a popular intellectual property and then do so much to anger/alienate the people who are the reason the IP is popular in the first place? I thought the point of doing remakes and franchises was that they have pre-existing fanbases, but Disney seems to be doing everything they can to make sure that the old Star Wars fanbase hates them.

[Doomsday Dallas]

What Vader did to Third Sister is exactly how black leftists getting played. Getting used for their emotions and rage.

And once they have no more use in the agenda... they are discarded. "You are of no more use" is how Vader put it.

Vader knew what that BLM b*tch was up to the entire time. Obi-Wan (the good white man)... tried to join forces with her, take down Vader together...

but she was too far gone at that point, blamed Obi-Wan too (again, the white man)... I really wish they had tried fighting him together.




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I actually like this Third Sister character and how she fits into the Empire's politics. Great Story.

[hold this L]

This show is ok so far.. Went in praying for a Logan-type of Kenobi story and got some cookie cutter Disney/Marvel shit instead. Also the scope is disappointing. So many scenes the camera pans down because they didn't build the whole set above 15 feet.

The people at Disney are lazy in their work ethic. They know people are going to watch no matter what. And, they rush these projects cause they know money is on the line. The Deepfake guys or whoever did the same thing to Luke's face from the Season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. Then, Disney got their shit together and did a better job for Luke's appearance in The Book of Boba Fett.
Disney is known to pay their VFX teams like shit, not surprising.

[Patrick Chewing]

So Vader using the force to stop the ship in mid air was impressive, but where was the second ship in that scene?? :oldlol:


Was it cloaked? Only when Vader drops the ship does the second ship magically appear. And why didn't Vader stop the second ship? Did his Force powers need a recharge? How did Vader not know that the first ship was a decoy? But most importantly is how ridiculous it is that the second ship shows up out of nowhere. It's lazy writing and it's an insult to the powers of Vader.

[bladefd]

So Vader using the force to stop the ship in mid air was impressive, but where was the second ship in that scene?? :oldlol:


Was it cloaked? Only when Vader drops the ship does the second ship magically appear. And why didn't Vader stop the second ship? Did his Force powers need a recharge? How did Vader not know that the first ship was a decoy? But most importantly is how ridiculous it is that the second ship shows up out of nowhere. It's lazy writing and it's an insult to the powers of Vader.

Definitely lazy writing. They should have made the ship enter hyperspace right there. As powerful as he is, Vader can't stop a ship in hyperspace with the force

[Meticode]

So Vader using the force to stop the ship in mid air was impressive, but where was the second ship in that scene?? :oldlol:


Was it cloaked? Only when Vader drops the ship does the second ship magically appear. And why didn't Vader stop the second ship? Did his Force powers need a recharge? How did Vader not know that the first ship was a decoy? But most importantly is how ridiculous it is that the second ship shows up out of nowhere. It's lazy writing and it's an insult to the powers of Vader.

The second ship was present all throughout end of the episode when the people were getting ready to start boarding. When they retreat to the hanger it's there to the right in the back in this screenshot I took here...

https://i.postimg.cc/FFYg89TR/ship.jpg

Then when Vader grabs the first ship it still in the same position in the back. I just think you guys weren't looking good enough honestly. I saw it the first time I went through.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp9Htp8T/ship2.jpg

[Meticode]

Also, i know people are going to have gripes about things like the Stormtroopers easily being taken out or flopping around. Or the clunky Leia chase scene. But in all damn honestly Star Wars has always been like that even scene the original trilogy. Get over it.

I think people nitpick too much and just need to enjoy the main storyline. Vader not being able to pick up a second ship...Maybe he was tired or weak for a moment? He just stopped a damn ship from taking off and ripped the metal walls out. Maybe he was legit surprised, and he felt it was too far away to act on it?

Anakin definitely looks older in the flashback scenes. They could've put a little more work into it, but honestly it didn't take away from the moment with me. When Luke appeared in the last episode of The Mandalorian that CGI definitely took away from the moment with me and how robotic he seemed.

I like the Reva character. I thought she was the youngling from the opening scene all along personally. I don't like how she got stabbed through the chest completely with a lightsaber and somehow lives. Anyone else ever done this?

[Off the Court]

I like the Reva character. I thought she was the youngling from the opening scene all along personally. I don't like how she got stabbed through the chest completely with a lightsaber and somehow lives. Anyone else ever done this?
Allowing Reva to live was not something Vader would do.

Making it too obvious that she will have one last final encounter with Vader and although we already know Vader lives she will probably kill that new Inquisitor before dying at the hands of Vader while saving someone, like Leia or Kenobi which make her efforts meaningful.

My prediction.

[Chick Stern]

I called that she would be trying to kill Vader. Too much foreshadowing

[Phoenix]

Its kind of hilarious how much Disney hates fans of the original Star Wars characters... why would you spend billions of dollars buying a popular intellectual property and then do so much to anger/alienate the people who are the reason the IP is popular in the first place? I thought the point of doing remakes and franchises was that they have pre-existing fanbases, but Disney seems to be doing everything they can to make sure that the old Star Wars fanbase hates them.

Because George Lucas handed the series over to a 'woke' feminist, in a nutshell. That dictates that all the original male leads be taken down a peg

- In the Force Awakens, Rey is shown to have a better mechanical knowledge of the Falcon than Han, despite never having flown it before

- Luke is shown as a broken man in the Last Jedi instead of the wise sage the fanbase was hoping for, in order to boost Rey

- Luke in his prime as a Jedi master gets beaten in a sparring lightsaber duel against his student Leia in the Rise of Skywalker. Ridiculous.

- Obi-wan isn't the one with agency in his own show, he's basically following around Leia like a lost puppy, and is practically a secondary character to Reva or whatever the fukk her name is. Never mind that the situation set-up by the older movies suggests that if there's any 'the Adventures of Ben Kenobi' series to be had, it should revolve around Luke, not Leia but again, the story is being retconned to make Leia as important.

Fukk Disney.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9j7kLG7VK8

https://c.tenor.com/uNRYexbCh4cAAAAd/obi-wan-star-wars.gif



Good video.

[Patrick Chewing]

Well, the Amazing Reva show has ended that guest-starred Obi Wan Kenobi. Disney and Lucasfilms put so much emphasis on an inconsequential character that doesn't even exist in the Star Wars universe, and tried to pass it off as a show on Obi Wan Kenobi. Nothing but a money grab by Disney by putting Obi Wan's name on it in order to attract the elder fanbase as well as market it to the new Woke SJW fanbase too.

I truly wish I wasn't so negative on this show considering how excellent a show like The Mandalorian has been, but I'm wondering if that show's success is solely due to its continued focus on its main character that the show is titled over, Din Djarin, aka The Mandalorian. Whereas with Obi Wan, we are directed towards and forced to care about characters like Reva and a 10-year-old Princess Leia who either don't have any history in this universe, or are too young (in Leia's case) to even develop a story about. Let's face reality, the people want to see Obi Wan. They want to see Vader. Not this other crap.

[Patrick Chewing]

And how many times does someone have to be stabbed with a light saber until they die?? Ridiculous writing.

[coin24]

Last episode was terrible, hopefully they use all this crap to build up Obi Wan now for season 2 and the story could actually be about him.
Just make a spin off series for reva that no one will watch or something. Absolute spastics at Disney

[Nanners]

Because George Lucas handed the series over to a 'woke' feminist, in a nutshell. That dictates that all the original male leads be taken down a peg

- In the Force Awakens, Rey is shown to have a better mechanical knowledge of the Falcon than Han, despite never having flown it before

- Luke is shown as a broken man in the Last Jedi instead of the wise sage the fanbase was hoping for, in order to boost Rey

- Luke in his prime as a Jedi master gets beaten in a sparring lightsaber duel against his student Leia in the Rise of Skywalker. Ridiculous.

Fukk Disney.

The funny thing is that none of that BS made anyone like or respect Rey, it had the opposite effect... tbh its amazing how bad Disneys Star Wars people are at the art of storytelling.

The star wars writers were too stupid and woke to depict their woman hero struggling against anything because they thought that would make her less of a "strong woman", but somehow they failed to understand that in order to have a compelling protagonist they HAVE to face some struggles. Nobody wants a protagonist who is automatically better than everyone, never facing any serious challenges. People want a hero that has weaknesses, faces real struggles, and is forced to develop and grow in order to overcome their problems... and in a nutshell this is why Luke is 1000x better and more likeable of a protaganist than Rey. Luke was not a master of the force until his third film, and despite being trained by Yoda in film 2 he still got completely obliterated the first time he tried to go toe to toe with his antagonist Vader... meanwhile Rey defeated her nemesis in a duel in her first film with virtually zero training, where exactly can the story go after that happens?

[Iverson3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMT7WASyto


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGfEft6wek

[Off the Court]

The battle between Obi Wan and Vader was surprisingly decent. I like how they switched up the saber battles to be more realistic brute force rather than the fancy acrobatic shit that was in the prequels.

The other story of Reva trying to get her revenge by killing Luke had any and all tension sucked away by the fact that we already know Luke and his family live. Knowing the outcome beforehand is basically a huge spoiler.

Of course the Vader and Obi battle has the same issue, we already know both survive and that removes needed tension. But all in all that battle was good for what it was.

I'd label this series as "decent" with the ultimate highlight just being able to see Vader doing Vader things in full Vader form. Anytime Vader was on the screen it had my full attention. Simply hearing his voice is great. The prequels could not deliver that, and the only taste we ever had of that after the original trilogy was in the short scene in Rogue One which was by far the best moment in that film. I really hope that Disney can give us more Vader.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrMnD2uYw0I


I have some mixed emotions about the series... I feel like it was a good show, but at the same time, they could've made this $hit so much better.


As far as the movie rankings go:

1.) Empire Strikes Back (A+)
2.) Return of the Jedi (A+)
3.) Revenge of the Sith (B)
4.) Force Awakens (B)
5.) New Hope (C+)
6.) Phantom Menace (C-)
7.) Rise of Skywalker (D)
8.) The Last Jedi (F)
9.) Clone Wars (F)

I'd put Solo and Rouge One above A New Hope #5.... but below Force Awakens.

people underrate Force Awakens and Revenge of the Sith... those were actually pretty good films, but the thing that upset me most about the Revenge of the Sith was that there wasn't very much Vader.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Disney could bring back Darth Maul,... supposedly he's still after Kenobi too.

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idk what's left for Star Wars to do at this point...

maybe have a movie about a younger Mace Windu and Qui-Gon Jinn w/ a child Obi-Wan or some $hit... or Old Republic stories.

I mean, Mace Windu was basically the Michael Jordan of Jedi Knights.... so he should have a good backstory.

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Rumor is we will eventually get a Star Wars episode X... but they know if they do that, they would essentially have to get the best of the best A-list actors and make a masterpiece better than Episode 5 & 6. It's the only way to redeem themselves for Episode 8 & 9.

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Get Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, and all the usual Christopher Nolan actors... and have Nolan direct it himself. It's the only way to go at this point.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/S43sSjMY784/maxresdefault.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

They can't bring back Maul back due to the rule of 2. Considering how Maul faced off against a young Kenobi and Kenobi killed him, it would have to be a show where Maul was Palpatine's apprentice which would pre-date Kenobi. Going backwards now would be silly.

[Patrick Chewing]

Like someone else mentioned on here, they need to get off the Skywalker saga. It's been around for 50 years now. They need to do a series on the Knights of the Old Republic or something like that.

[Bawkish]

And how many times does someone have to be stabbed with a light saber until they die?? Ridiculous writing.

Poor Qui-Gon, they didn't even bothered to check if he's still alive and straight out burned his body

[guy]

Really liked the series. Pretty entertaining and always loved seeing Vader. However:

1. Not sure why Vader lost to Obi-Wan again. He lost to him already in Revenge of the Sith and now this? I guess you could say he won the battle in the earlier episode? Seems odd that Vader has been built up as this incredible, yet it feels like he always loses to Obi-Wan? Even in A New Hope he lost but basically gave himself up.

2. What exactly was the point and motivation for Reva to want to kill Luke? Was it to get back at Vader by killing the son that at this point doesn't seem like Vader either knows exists or doesn't seem like he gives a shit about?

[bladefd]

Finished watching, and it was underwhelming. Pretty good is all I can muster up. This could have been so much better with the right writers, and Disney blew it.

There were too many moments that I found myself asking "why would you do that?" or "is this the best you can write up?"... There was nothing that really shocked me. The Vader fight was good. CGI was good. Acting was fine. If the script was decent, this show would have been great imo.

Do better, Disney. There is zero excuses with that big budget.

[hold this L]

6.7/10

This show should have been much better. They should have went for something like Logan, not whatever the **** this was.

[Doomsday Dallas]

1. Not sure why Vader lost to Obi-Wan again. He lost to him already in Revenge of the Sith and now this? I guess you could say he won the battle in the earlier episode? Seems odd that Vader has been built up as this incredible, yet it feels like he always loses to Obi-Wan? Even in A New Hope he lost but basically gave himself up.

https://thenerdd.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/d_nq_np_463215-mlb25194406829_112016-o.jpg



If you were to rank all the Star Wars characters in terms of most skilled & most powerful

Obi-Wan might come in at #2.... right behind the Emperor... However Dooku kicked his ass twice.

[Bawkish]

https://thenerdd.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/d_nq_np_463215-mlb25194406829_112016-o.jpg



If you were to rank all the Star Wars characters in terms of most skilled & most powerful

Obi-Wan might come in at #2.... right behind the Emperor... However Dooku kicked his ass twice.

George Lucas' Vader is no pu$$y compared to Disney Vader

[Phoenix]

1. Not sure why Vader lost to Obi-Wan again. He lost to him already in Revenge of the Sith and now this? I guess you could say he won the battle in the earlier episode? Seems odd that Vader has been built up as this incredible, yet it feels like he always loses to Obi-Wan? Even in A New Hope he lost but basically gave himself up.



IMHO it does diminish Vader when you look at the bigger picture. This series has pretty much recontexualized the 'when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master' line from A New Hope. We've long assumed that Anakin and Obi Wan fight on Mustafar.....20 years passes......and they don't meet again until the Death Star battle. They've changed this idea to now where the two of them did actually meet halfway between and fought twice, with Vader getting his ass handed to him the 2nd time. This does fit into the 'when I left you I was a learner' thing on one hand, but the problem is it weakens the moment when Luke finally beats him. Suited Vader really should have been this untouchable killing machine through ROTJ. It did produce a genuinely cool moment when Obi-wan slices his mask revealing half of his face, but we've already seen that in Rebels where it clearly drew its inspiration from.

And in the end, a handful of moments that are cool in isolation surrounded by weak writing and dilutting existing canon is all it mostly achieved.

[Bawkish]

this much sums up my views of the show


https://youtu.be/1jtSN4Q6MOg

[guy]

IMHO it does diminish Vader when you look at the bigger picture. This series has pretty much recontexualized the 'when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master' line from A New Hope. We've long assumed that Anakin and Obi Wan fight on Mustafar.....20 years passes......and they don't meet again until the Death Star battle. They've changed this idea to now where the two of them did actually meet halfway between and fought twice, with Vader getting his ass handed to him the 2nd time. This does fit into the 'when I left you I was a learner' thing on one hand, but the problem is it weakens the moment when Luke finally beats him. Suited Vader really should have been this untouchable killing machine through ROTJ. It did produce a genuinely cool moment when Obi-wan slices his mask revealing half of his face, but we've already seen that in Rebels where it clearly drew its inspiration from.

And in the end, a handful of moments that are cool in isolation surrounded by weak writing and dilutting existing canon is all it mostly achieved.

They should’ve done things in reverse - had Obi-Wan slice half his mask but then somehow Vader is able to get over it and still defeat Obi-Wan (I mean he did seem to be able fly back to Mustafar like that) and then bury him under the rocks which Obi-Wan somehow survives like he did but that would’ve been the end of it and he just escapes without Vader knowing and goes and hides out in Tattooine to look after Luke as was always his job. This way, Vader continues to look incredible vs looking like Obi-Wans b*tch.

[Phoenix]

They should’ve done things in reverse - had Obi-Wan slice half his mask but then somehow Vader is able to get over it and still defeat Obi-Wan (I mean he did seem to be able fly back to Mustafar like that) and then bury him under the rocks which Obi-Wan somehow survives like he did but that would’ve been the end of it and he just escapes without Vader knowing and goes and hides out in Tattooine to look after Luke as was always his job. This way, Vader continues to look incredible vs looking like Obi-Wans b*tch.

The problem with that though, and in general with regards to all these prequel stories, is that they have to adhere to existing canon from the older movies. So had Vader won that final encounter, that falls in contrast with this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bouokh0PO0Y

That exchange doesn't make sense if Vader emerged victorious from this latest battle. So Obi-wan had to win for that^ to make sense but again, I think it diminishes Vader because now we as the viewers have seen him lose already. It reduces the effectiveness of this IMHO:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6k3YBmIUYo

The only reason we even got to that^ is because Obi-wan let him live. If they weren't written into a corner by existing canon, Obi-wans mindset after beating him this last time should have been this:

https://c.tenor.com/rm6TvgNUNyQAAAAC/too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber.gif

followed by
https://c.tenor.com/JCqcyN0FV3EAAAAC/youe-are-dead-dont-mess-up-with-me.gif

Straight up, the only sensible recourse in that situation is for Obi-wan to have taken him out of his misery. But he can't, because canon dictates that Vader lives for like another 15-20 years.

[guy]

The problem with that though, and in general with regards to all these prequel stories, is that they have to adhere to existing canon from the older movies. So had Vader won that final encounter, that falls in contrast with this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bouokh0PO0Y

That exchange doesn't make sense if Vader emerged victorious from this latest battle. So Obi-wan had to win for that^ to make sense but again, I think it diminishes Vader because now we as the viewers have seen him lose already. It reduces the effectiveness of this IMHO:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6k3YBmIUYo

The only reason we even got to that^ is because Obi-wan let him live. If they weren't written into a corner by existing canon, Obi-wans mindset after beating him this last time should have been this:

https://c.tenor.com/rm6TvgNUNyQAAAAC/too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber.gif

followed by
https://c.tenor.com/JCqcyN0FV3EAAAAC/youe-are-dead-dont-mess-up-with-me.gif

Straight up, the only sensible recourse in that situation is for Obi-wan to have taken him out of his misery. But he can't, because canon dictates that Vader lives for like another 15-20 years.

Good points. With that being the case then, they should've just had a draw or something like what happened in episode 3. Not sheer domination by one side.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://c.tenor.com/rm6TvgNUNyQAAAAC/too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber.gif

Straight up, the only sensible recourse in that situation is for Obi-wan to have taken him out of his misery. But he can't, because canon dictates that Vader lives for like another 15-20 years.


I thought the exact same thing... should've just taken him out.

but he can't, because not only did he train Anakin, but now he has to keep an eye out for his children. Couldn't kill the father of those 2 children.

If he didn't kill him after their first fight when he caught on fire next to that lava, why would he suddenly do it now?

He's said over and over that he will not kill him... but he will do what he must.




Here's what is key... what the emperor says at the end:


https://youtu.be/burdfpW--1A


“You seem agitated my friend,” Palpatine says, almost amused. “I wonder if your thoughts are clear on this, Lord Vader.”

"Perhaps your feelings for your old Master have left you weakened?"




Vader is still the supreme bad@ss of the galaxy, but he couldn't kill Obi-Wan either, and that was clear in the 3rd episode of the show when he let him go.

Vader probably could've killed Obi-Wan no problem... but that's not what Vader is trying to do, Vader more or less just wants to inflict pain.


But even Luke said: "There's still good in him" .... Anakin wasn't completely dead.

https://c.tenor.com/lMS7fjgR2jAAAAAM/jayblixt-jay-skywalker.gif

[Off the Court]

The ratings for the series are Disney's best ever so it is immanent that we are going to get more Darth Vader. Hayden Christianson is pushing for his own series.

[Phoenix]

Good points. With that being the case then, they should've just had a draw or something like what happened in episode 3. Not sheer domination by one side.

Really they probably 'should' have not told the story at all but being as they're committing to milking this into the ground, yeah a stalemate but with something to indicate that Obi-wan was still 'the master' while not compromising Vader was probably the way to go. But, based on what we got here it doesn't appear there was enough skill in the writing room to make both characters look good.

[Phoenix]

I thought the exact same thing... should've just taken him out.

but he can't, because not only did he train Anakin, but now he has to keep an eye out for his children. Couldn't kill the father of those 2 children.

If he didn't kill him after their first fight when he caught on fire next to that lava, why would he suddenly do it now?

He's said over and over that he will not kill him... but he will do what he must.




Here's what is key... what the emperor says at the end:


https://youtu.be/burdfpW--1A


“You seem agitated my friend,” Palpatine says, almost amused. “I wonder if your thoughts are clear on this, Lord Vader.”

"Perhaps your feelings for your old Master have left you weakened?"




Vader is still the supreme bad@ss of the galaxy, but he couldn't kill Obi-Wan either, and that was clear in the 3rd episode of the show when he let him go.

Vader probably could've killed Obi-Wan no problem... but that's not what Vader is trying to do, Vader more or less just wants to inflict pain.


But even Luke said: "There's still good in him" .... Anakin wasn't completely dead.

https://c.tenor.com/lMS7fjgR2jAAAAAM/jayblixt-jay-skywalker.gif

Well for one, remember that just before going down to the planet Obi-wan speaks out to Qui-gon:

'I have to face him master. Whether he dies or I do, this ends today'.

So it seems that Obi-wan felt he was going to a life or death battle, which means he was not only prepared to lose his life.....he was prepared to take one if push comes to shove. Unless Obi is just talking a big game :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owbm1JxZCNY

Reva was a former youngling.

One of the few survivors of order 66


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5BB5sQmLJE&t=9s

[Patrick Chewing]

I fear that people today are getting so used to such shitty writing as actually being the norm and think of it as decent writing when in fact, it is complete and utter dog shite.

[red1]

just watched the rest of the series after seeing the first-half and man it was bad-ass.


I really enjoyed this.



I'm taking a 2-year break from disney and their Fakkit shit because the marvel movies and shows are weak as hell right now. glad they went out on a high note with the star wars shows. they all hit the mark with the mandalorian seasons, boba fett season, and now this obi-wan show all being good.



good job disney.

[Phoenix]

I fear that people today are getting so used to such shitty writing as actually being the norm and think of it as decent writing when in fact, it is complete and utter dog shite.

Yep, but there's a bigger issue at play. Star Wars at this point has 45 years of history, and the fanbase is obsessed with EVERY. BIT. OF. CANON lining up seamlessly( within reason not a bad standard to uphold). So in order for them to go back and tell stories about characters whose fates we already know, it takes skill to write characters in a way that they don't do non-sensical things because they're backed into a narrative corner. Like watching the scene when Vader drags Obi-wan through the fire, are you really concerned? Of course not, because we know where his story goes, so what's he gonna end up with here at worst? A flesh wound? And why would Vader not blow out the 2nd fire moments after HE ignited the first one? Well again, because we know how the story goes, so the writer in the absence of more skillful storytelling has Vader inexplicably go eh fukk it :confusedshrug: and walk away.

No ifs, ands or buts about it, Obi-wan 'should' have killed Vader. He knew that he was going to double down on being more evil and diabolical, and Obi-wan chooses to let such an individual live. Horrible decision in isolation but the writers didn't have the ability to write a script where Obi-wan beats Vader but with a 'logical' explanation for how Vader lives on other than Kenobi making a conscience choice to spare him.

[Off the Court]

Yep, but there's a bigger issue at play. Star Wars at this point has 45 years of history, and the fanbase is obsessed with EVERY. BIT. OF. CANON lining up seamlessly( within reason not a bad standard to uphold). So in order for them to go back and tell stories about characters whose fates we already know, it takes skill to write characters in a way that they don't do non-sensical things because they're backed into a narrative corner. Like watching the scene when Vader drags Obi-wan through the fire, are you really concerned? Of course not, because we know where his story goes, so what's he gonna end up with here at worst? A flesh wound? And why would Vader not blow out the 2nd fire moments after HE ignited the first one? Well again, because we know how the story goes, so the writer in the absence of more skillful storytelling has Vader inexplicably go eh fukk it :confusedshrug: and walk away.

No ifs, ands or buts about it, Obi-wan 'should' have killed Vader. He knew that he was going to double down on being more evil and diabolical, and Obi-wan chooses to let such an individual live. Horrible decision in isolation but the writers didn't have the ability to write a script where Obi-wan beats Vader but with a 'logical' explanation for how Vader lives on other than Kenobi making a conscience choice to spare him.
The prequels had the same issue. The ending has already been spoiled and that takes away any and all tension. Walking in we know Anakin ends up Vader, we know Obi Wan lives, we know Yoda's and Palpatine's fate, we know Padme dies. We already know the whole story.

So with this series they introduce a new character to make up for that. Reva, who's fate we don't know. But they ended with her going after baby Luke, who we already know will live.

They could have had Reva die violently, or kill every Sith not named Vader. They could have used her in ways that weren't predetermined, but they didn't. Big fail there.

The take that she was after Vader all along was surprising, but unfortunately we already know she won't kill Vader so that has been spoiled.

[Phoenix]

The prequels had the same issue. The ending has already been spoiled and that takes away any and all tension. Walking in we know Anakin ends up Vader, we know Obi Wan lives, we know Yoda's and Palpatine's fate, we know Padme dies. We already know the whole story.

So with this series they introduce a new character to make up for that. Reva, who's fate we don't know. But they ended with her going after baby Luke, who we already know will live.

They could have had Reva die violently, or kill every Sith not named Vader. They could have used her in ways that weren't predetermined, but they didn't. Big fail there.

The take that she was after Vader all along was surprising, but unfortunately we already know she won't kill Vader so that has been spoiled.

Yes, Reva being the new character would be the unknown factor in all this, the problem for me was that while her story on the surface had some merit, I don't think it needed to be woven into this particular show. And she was pretty one-note for most of the show until the 'reveal' that we all saw coming anyway. Maybe they feel that introducing a new character and giving them their own show wouldn't be a hit, so they interweaved it with the story of a beloved legacy character. I don't know how the suits in the penthouse determine these things :confusedshrug:.

[Bawkish]

Yes, Reva being the new character would be the unknown factor in all this, the problem for me was that while her story on the surface had some merit, I don't think it needed to be woven into this particular show. And she was pretty one-note for most of the show until the 'reveal' that we all saw coming anyway. Maybe they feel that introducing a new character and giving them their own show wouldn't be a hit, so they interweaved it with the story of a beloved legacy character. I don't know how the suits in the penthouse determine these things :confusedshrug:.

The whole Obi-Wan series is pointless. You could say that everyone is back to where it is before. The show is just pandering to nostalgia and Disney is milking the sh*t out of it

[Phoenix]

The whole Obi-Wan series is pointless. You could say that everyone is back to where it is before. The show is just pandering to nostalgia and Disney is milking the sh*t out of it

Well not exactly. Obi-wan was broken when the show started, by the end he was basically the guy you now expect can actually fulfill his mandate of protecting Luke. The main issue is there were alot of plot contrivances, conveniences, and handwaving. Suspension of disbelief is needed to buy all these stories, and they crossed the line a few too many times here. As said before, much more storytelling/writing skill was needed to effectively tell a story about people whose penultimate fates we've known for 40 years.

[Phoenix]

Someone edited this down to a 2.5 movie which supposedly makes it a much better presentation overall( as much as you can work around the plot beats they came up with).

https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi

Download a copy before Mickey gets it taken down.

[Bawkish]

Well not exactly. Obi-wan was broken when the show started, by the end he was basically the guy you now expect can actually fulfill his mandate of protecting Luke. The main issue is there were alot of plot contrivances, conveniences, and handwaving. Suspension of disbelief is needed to buy all these stories, and they crossed the line a few too many times here. As said before, much more storytelling/writing skill was needed to effectively tell a story about people whose penultimate fates we've known for 40 years.

That's just the show's make-up canon. You can safely assume that the end of Revenge of the Sith that Obi-Wan was not that troubled and indeed protecting Luke at a distance

[Phoenix]

That's just the show's make-up canon. You can safely assume that the end of Revenge of the Sith that Obi-Wan was not that troubled and indeed protecting Luke at a distance

Thats what I think most of us assumed. The show basically tried to 'force'(pun kinda intended) drama by having Obi-wan lose touch with his powers.

[hold this L]

Thats what I think most of us assumed. The show basically tried to 'force'(pun kinda intended) drama by having Obi-wan lose touch with his powers.

Which was dumb as f*ck. Goes from struggling with powers in episode 1 to downing Vader in a matter of what, 1 week?

[Phoenix]

Which was dumb as f*ck. Goes from struggling with powers in episode 1 to downing Vader in a matter of what, 1 week?

Exactly. They basically used the 4th episode with him infiltrating the underwater fortress as a 'shaking off the rust' mission which miraculously puts him right back at peak Obi-wan level. But that is why this project should have been a 2 hour movie. Remove the Reva plot, remove Obi-wan 'losing' his powers, and just focus on the interplay between him and Vader in a cat and mouse game. Dive even deeper into their respective characters through the flashbacks (which I did like, albeit they did a poor job of de-aging Anakin), cameo Leia, and if they felt compelled to throw in a B plot have Luke be captured or some shit and he has to go rescue him( what they did with Leia, except without her escaping and getting recaptured over and over).